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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RTSigma on April 18, 2006, 08:32:56 PM
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Had this happen to me today at A7 in the Pac Map...was something that almost made me vomit and what players will do to get a kill.
I was in a dogfight with a P47 in my plane and was coming up on him pretty well. He was about 800 out and I was closing. I check my views to make sure I'm good and I keep flying towards him as he starts to make a lazy left climbing bank.
Thinking I had the sure kill, I hear "CHECK SIX" come up and see tracers fly by me. I cut the throttle to half and nose down and then bank hard to the right. I came around to see the pilot who was behind me (he was 1k away, but was diving and was close to light speed) kill the P47.
Now I look around and notice that there wasn't any other bogies. No debris, no crash. I didn't hear an explosion either. I got angry. I had been faked.
Its worse enough for some to call a false Check Six on you to make you hesitate or break off from an enemy plane so that they can get the kill, but now it hit a new low. Firing tracers from behind to make it seem like the Check Six is warranted.
You guys can say that I should keep my SA on high and look, but my instinct to seeing tracers whiz by and hearing a supposedly helpful pilot calling Check Six on me is to break. Sure, I may lose my firing position but at least I'm alive and can probably get back in the groove.
I know that there isn't any counter to this other than checking your six quickly to see if there a bogey, but when you see tracers players would rather just make a sharp break and then look for the attacker.
This is just a heads up for respectable pilots that this is going on...
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Who did it so we can avoid him?
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I think I speak on behalf of the whole community when I say, " We need a name". Without one, it's just kinda blah.
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That sounds like something the BKs would do to one another.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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from what i am hearing in the forums, the community is being filled by sniveling peutrid cowards who will stab anyone in the back to get a kill. i used to want to get a new vid card and get back in the frey, but when i hear about stuff such as this it makes me lose hope. i think HTC needs to cut way back on the comercials, it is drawing in too many, for lack of a better word, savages. when i first started out, the missions were huge and well-led. when i last played, you were lucky to get 5 guys to join your buff mission.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
That sounds like something the BKs would do to one another.
-- Todd/Leviathn
"Would do " ? ......Just every chance I get ! :t
CHECKERS
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
.... when i last played, you were lucky to get 5 guys to join your buff mission.
This is from a few months ago..
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=167873
And the LCA have put some doozies out lately. I think we had somewhere around 60 bombers up Sunday night.
I'll add some screenies to the website from that one, if I can get them dug up pretty soon.
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Might not have been on purpose, then again it might have been, I wasnt there. But I do find that check 6 button rather annoying. Sometimes I will be trying to give a squadie a check 6 and spend a minute trying to toggle through all of the names, yet it never seems to go to the person I wanted it to. So I just stop trying and it will give a check 6 to the wrong person while I type "check 6 so-and-so" because it is quicker than spending a minute trying to get the check 6 to go to the right person.
After typing all of that out, I need to get a mic
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
from what i am hearing in the forums, the community is being filled by sniveling peutrid cowards who will stab anyone in the back to get a kill. i used to want to get a new vid card and get back in the frey, but when i hear about stuff such as this it makes me lose hope. i think HTC needs to cut way back on the comercials, it is drawing in too many, for lack of a better word, savages. when i first started out, the missions were huge and well-led. when i last played, you were lucky to get 5 guys to join your buff mission.
Its not all that black. Yes, there are dweebs and lamers and idiots... maybe a little more then in the old Beta days (I cant compare, since i havent been there that long).
But then, you only ever hear about the bad stuff on these boards. Noone posts about the teamwork and the "good" check six calls.... the helping each other out. Its there, and not as rare as some make it to be.
Todd: Its definitly different if you do that to a squaddie you know, love-hate and want to annoy. Now, go give Dedalos some smacktalk for me.... hes been asking for it for a while now..... to my embarrassment, i cant seem to satisfy him. :o :D
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I'm not trying to bad mouth the gameplay or the comraderie of Aces High, I am addicted to the friendship in the game that you make with other pilots.
The reason I posted this subject was akin to announcing something like it being flu season or a putting up a notice of a lemon car or etc.
Basically, saying that it is out there and could be happening and to watch out for it. Be more attentive to your surroundings and always, ALWAYS, look around around before landing those shots.
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It has happened to me also... Not to the extreme that you mentioned, but friendlies shooting over or just under me to me make break off an enemy so they can steal the kill.
I don't think I have ever had the CHECK6 to go with it.... He77, I can't even get my country to throw out a CHECK6 when it is warranted, let alone just for fun. LOL
NC LawMan
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Originally posted by RTSigma
I'm not trying to bad mouth the gameplay or the comraderie of Aces High, I am addicted to the friendship in the game that you make with other pilots.
The reason I posted this subject was akin to announcing something like it being flu season or a putting up a notice of a lemon car or etc.
Basically, saying that it is out there and could be happening and to watch out for it. Be more attentive to your surroundings and always, ALWAYS, look around around before landing those shots.
Sigma, i didnt want it to sound like i was "attacking" your post. I apologize if it came off that way.
I just wanted to say that we tend to forget about the good stuff in AH.
And yes, i find it sad looking at the LAME things happening in the MA at times. Is killing a cartoon plane really all that important? Sometimes it feels that youre safer with the red guys then with the green ones aroubd.
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There's always plenty of enemy to fight.
At least he could shoot!
I look at it as he saved you ammo and your "team" scored the victory.
Too bad though the 47 wasn't skilled enough to waste that lamer.
You landed a 7 kill sortie later on anyway, right?
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I don't know about sniveling putrid cowards infesting the game.
I do know the TA has been full to overflowing with 14,12,10 and yes even 8 year olds.
(lightbulb)
Hey I think I know where your infestation is coming from!
Hitech, we need a teenager filter!
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If HT charged about $50 bucks per month it would weed out some of the teenagers and we remember the old days when we were charged per hour of playtime?... I am not saying we need to go back to that...
but at $15 bucks a month... well lets face it .... We could weed out some of the folks that are lets say less serious .... for a higher fee...
I would gladly pay more for a better game with less teenage horse crap..
Gatr
Happy to be Flyin Rooks for the 81st
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Originally posted by Gatr
If HT charged about $50 bucks per month it would weed out some of the teenagers and we remember the old days when we were charged per hour of playtime?... I am not saying we need to go back to that...
but at $15 bucks a month... well lets face it .... We could weed out some of the folks that are lets say less serious .... for a higher fee...
I would gladly pay more for a better game with less teenage horse crap..
Gatr
Happy to be Flyin Rooks for the 81st
The problem is that 80% of those are on their two week trial.
They want it all, they want it their way, they dont want to put any effort in and they want it for free.
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HUMMMMMMMMMMMMM
That seems easy to fix....
I never got no stinkin 2 week free trial when Chooch was...
Kickin my arse all over the sky back in the day...
:))
Gatr
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I always do that to people I know, but not to still a kill. Most of the time I'll do it when they are landing, hopefully hurting, just to watch them crash. You can also send them a join request right as they are ready to hit the runway, if you are siting in the tower watching some R****D like Stang trying to land his killllz
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We have a running squad joke....
262!!! 262!!! BREAK!!!!
S'pose it'll get old eventually....
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Now, go give Dedalos some smacktalk for me.... hes been asking for it for a while now..... to my embarrassment, i cant seem to satisfy him. :o :D
Never let a man do a womans job. What kind of a smak talk could a skilless Spit dweeb do?
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Originally posted by Ghosth
I don't know about sniveling putrid cowards infesting the game.
I do know the TA has been full to overflowing with 14,12,10 and yes even 8 year olds.
Silat must be in heaven :rofl
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Originally posted by RTSigma
Had this happen to me today at A7 in the Pac Map...was something that almost made me vomit and what players will do to get a kill.
snip snip
Could have just been an innocent noob error.
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Ain't just teenage n00bs who pull the check-6 trick. I know of at least one long-time and frequent poster in this BBS who pulled it on me. I won't name names, but I won't forget it either.
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Overheard a similar 'discussion' while flying between 7 and 8 yesterday. Saw a fight on the deck and asked if they were OK. Turns out two guys were essentially 'fighting' over who was going to kill the one bad guy.
Kinda shook my head and kept flying but part of what I heard was about a phantom 'check 6' to get one guy off the bad guy so the other guy could shoot.
Kinda sad really.
I've also heard a lot more folks getting bent out of shape about 'kill stealing" Seems to me it's the price you pay in a furball when any number of guys may padlock onto a single badun.
Yesterday between 8 and 10 there was a ton of fights going on. But to get to the best part of the furball you had to overfly your own guys mugging single baduns, and if you drifted too far towards the other guys base, you became the guy getting mugged by the mob. If you could hang in the middle between the bases the fights were pretty good and the 'kill stealing' not an issue.
Still just a game last I checked. Folks just need to relax :)
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I believe the discussion u heard was between facelift and I. I was engaged with an la7 1vs1 for over a minute and away from the horde. La7 had the adv most of the fight and I finally took away his adv and had him on the deck. Only 2 have facelift give me a phantom check 6 and fire his tracers over my shoulder. I killed the La7 and made a statement over range channel. It was quick and 2 the point. PUNK!
I apologize if me calling him a punk bothered anyone.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
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Still just a game last I checked. Folks just need to relax :)
Yeah ... but at least once or twice any time I fly I'm reminded that some people insist on cheating or pulling crap like the Phantom Check-6 call. That's usually when I log off.
I think part of the problem with kill-stealing is the vast disparity in lethality between planes. Anything armed with Hizookas can steal kills so easily from anything that ain't.
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RTSigma, I was around A7 last night and I remember giving you a check 6 call while you were chasing a P47, there was an LA7 closing in on you which I blew to pieces as you followed the jug up into a 20-30 degree climb, I had quite a bit of E so I stayed high and behind you for a while covering you, the jug went up into the vert again and you made a flat left turn (I gave you another check 6 cause I knew the jug was gonna do an up and over on ya), I knew the jug was going to get guns on you so I shot him right as he stalled over to come back down on you. I don't know if this is the instance your talking about but if it is, I had no intention of stealing a kill, I was trying to help you out, from my point of view the LA7 was D400-500 behind you when when I killed him and the jug was already starting lining up a guns solution as he was starting a dive and you were making a flat left turn. I actually ho'd the jug cause I knew you only had another 3-5 seconds tops and I knew there wasn't enough time for me to make another move... on range I even called out that there was an la7 behind you and I announced that he was dead about 10 seconds after, I also announced when I shot the jug and you replied thank you if I remember correctly.
As I said not sure if this is the instance your talking about but if it is I have film on it at my house because I had a really good run and made a really really nice shot on pony d that same sortie. I watched that film twice last night just to see the shots I made on the 10 kills i landed. If you want I can email the film to you tonight when I get home or post it here. oh i was in a 38 if that helps. Like I said not sure if this is what your talkin about but I wasn't tryin to steal any kills
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A pretty good example of what's happening.
I spotted a single Ki-61 a bit away from the fight. Turned on the film as I thought it might make for a good screenshot with a 475th marked 38G shooting down (hopefully) a Japanese Tony.
Clearly other folks saw him as well. I was padlocked on him as were at least three others. I had no idea anyone was this close to me. Note they are all below my cockpit view. I don't think anyone was trying to 'steal' a kill from me. They were doing what I was doing :) Naturally I didn't get the kill :furious
I didn't get checked 6 out of it however.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1145077482_killshooter.jpg)
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I was setting up new button positions a few weeks ago and had chk-6 in an unfamiliar spot, kept hitting it by mistake. I had to apologize several times and heard this complaint more than once, that there were people giving fake chk-6 calls just to steal an easy kill. I guess it just takes more than someone "stealing" an imaginary kill of a cartoon airplane to PO me. I thought the idea was lame, but I still had to laugh. I mean come on. People take this game too seriously. I fly by my rules, but I recognize there are plenty of people out there who dont and never will. I find plenty of other things in this game that I can get mad about. That one is just so lame its funny.
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jeeze that's 1 dead KI61 lol
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Originally posted by Iceman24
jeeze that's 1 dead KI61 lol
More often then not, I'm on the recieving end. Not much green, but a lot of red blowing up my old 38G near 8 last night.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1145473577_deadcorky.jpg)
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you know i have had this done to me before over a year ago, maybe 2 lol...
now i look at it as something i would do while in shades just to PO someone i didn't like :rofl
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Originally posted by Guppy35
More often then not, I'm on the recieving end. Not much green, but a lot of red blowing up my old 38G near 8 last night.
LoL, what did you do to annoy them??? :eek: :lol
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Originally posted by RTSigma
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I know that there isn't any counter to this other than checking your six quickly to see if there a bogey, but when you see tracers players would rather just make a sharp break and then look for the attacker.
This is just a heads up for respectable pilots that this is going on...
You can fly into his tracer stream and let killshooter take care of him!:D
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Originally posted by Schatzi
to my embarrassment, i cant seem to satisfy him. :o :D
maybe a proper/different technique may help. Eventually you could try a good book or maybe even work with counselor.... ;)
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
maybe a proper/different technique may help. Eventually you could try a good book or maybe even work with counselor.... ;)
Arent you retired? Do you even remember? :rofl
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
maybe a proper/different technique may help. Eventually you could try a good book or maybe even work with counselor.... ;)
A good book?????? :eek: :lol
Besides, Im afraid ill never have Furballs timing and technique........:t
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Originally posted by dedalos
Arent you retired? Do you even remember? :rofl
(http://www.death-valley.us/modules/Forums/images/smiles/finger.gif) Don't remind me of my past trauma...
Originally posted by Schatzi
Besides, Im afraid ill never have Furballs timing and technique........
Nothing what some practice couldn't fix (http://www.death-valley.us/modules/Forums/images/smiles/pimp.gif)
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Just stay outta the areas where there's 15-20 guys trying for one target :D
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I find a lot of noobs give honest, but mistaken "ck 6" calls, I dont think most are deliberate, some might be .
Its not as annoying as the bomber pukes who disco after their run is over. That is lame. I have 0 respect for that, and the bomb/auger nonsense.
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For me the check 6 button doesn't seem to work very well!!!!!!!
I try to call a 6 and the stupid thing stays one one person and won't move to the person I'm trying to call?????????????
Check 6 thingy isn't working RIGHT!!!
Gotten to where I just call it out on the vox and hope the person hears their name when I call their 6.
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The check 6 has given me problems like the others above; hit the button & cycle through every danged guy in the game while furiously apologizing & pushing the button to cycle through to the next guy you need to apologize too:lol I have also checked six on accident without ever seeing the person I checked 6 on. If I ever give you a check 6 I am either A: fumbling with buttons because my head isn't screwed on straight or B: mistaken or C: actually trying to warn you of percieved danger from my point of view or D: playing cycle & apologize....I have my tracers off so it'll more than likely be option "D" & you won't see a thing.
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I keep my tracers on and shoot from 1.5K out just so people will think I'm a noob. All's fair in Lust and War:D
But that friendly fire/check6 thing is just wrong :rofl
(files it away)
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Hey Corky, that might have been me in that Tony if that was Souless next to you.....I was looking for you guys :t
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Cork I have worse every night. Just remind me to film my flights one night and I will post a pic of somethign even worse. :p
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Originally posted by Raptor01
Might not have been on purpose, then again it might have been, I wasnt there. But I do find that check 6 button rather annoying. Sometimes I will be trying to give a squadie a check 6 and spend a minute trying to toggle through all of the names, yet it never seems to go to the person I wanted it to. So I just stop trying and it will give a check 6 to the wrong person while I type "check 6 so-and-so" because it is quicker than spending a minute trying to get the check 6 to go to the right person.
After typing all of that out, I need to get a mic
Another advantage to TIR.... accurate check 6's
Balsy
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I dont think stopping the Free Trial is a goo idea.
After all I would never have subbed to AH unless id played the free trial, which got me addicted :p
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I'm a total newb but i think this has happened to me. I'll be in the heat of a fight barreling down on my adversary and next thing you know check six, then i'll break hard and theres no one behind me, and i'll see my target going down in flames. It's happened alot,Kinda pisses me off but then i realize its a d@#$ game so oh well idiots on the internet too i suppose.
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Originally posted by Squire
I find a lot of noobs give honest, but mistaken "ck 6" calls, I dont think most are deliberate, some might be .
I find a lot of them are mistakes, folks don't pay attention to the distance the icons are. If the good guys is further from you than the bad guy, call the check 6.
Otherwise it's actually the goodguy chasing the bad guy and you distract him from his persuit by the check 6.