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Title: is this dude for real? or someones shade?
Post by: Waffle on April 20, 2006, 09:24:52 PM: beer200?

check out his score....lol - dude's got about 400 deaths in 2 hours..

Poor guy always flys knights or bish and is always dying to the rooks....

It gets really good when you start digging and find out who's been killing him. :D
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Post by: killnu on April 20, 2006, 09:26:24 PM: I know somebody in a typhy has owned him about 170 times to none.
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Post by: Lusche on April 20, 2006, 09:40:11 PM: strange... as i saw this poor little fellow lost his life mostly against tiffies a SINGLE name popped to my mind - and bingo! :D
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Post by: Brenjen on April 20, 2006, 09:45:14 PM: Strange how people pretend they aren't doing anything gamey & your not really seeing what it looks like your seeing. You're falling into a deeeeeep sleeeeep.....sleeeeeeeeeeeppp pp
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Post by: loser on April 20, 2006, 09:49:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lusche
strange... as i saw this poor little fellow lost his life mostly against tiffies a SINGLE name popped to my mind - and bingo! :D

Ayup!

I was thinking myself. Now who do I know that seems to land alot of kills in a tiffie, runs his mouth alot...and MIGHT be capable of ...oh I dunno...padding.

Go figure :rofl
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Post by: B@tfinkV on April 20, 2006, 09:49:21 PM: so to save us the bother, who are we naming and shaming?
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Post by: Slash27 on April 20, 2006, 09:52:37 PM: No kidding.Who?
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Post by: Roscoroo on April 20, 2006, 10:29:46 PM: I Feel a ______ coming on .
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Post by: Kurt on April 20, 2006, 10:42:27 PM: Well since I can't find a way to peg it without knowing both names, maybe a hint is in order?
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Post by: hubsonfire on April 20, 2006, 10:53:29 PM: Those statements apply to most typh pieluts. Since we're here to mock someone, let's cut to the quick.

Name, killed by.
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Post by: Kermit de frog on April 20, 2006, 10:55:23 PM: There are no "typhy dweebs"

only typhy pilots who love their ride.

:D
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Post by: Kurt on April 20, 2006, 11:01:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by hubsonfire

Name, killed by.

Sure, thats handy for seeing it was a typh mostly, but in order to do player vs player stats you need both names.
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Post by: hubsonfire on April 20, 2006, 11:04:41 PM: Yeah, that's precisely what I'm saying. Give us the name, and who he's a vulch account for.

shelbyGT, fka Rmaniac. :lol 173 kills vs beer200 with no deaths. This is your rank and scoring system at work.
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Post by: Urchin on April 20, 2006, 11:33:31 PM: Lol, hubs, you beat me to it.

I was about to chastise you.. it took me all of 10 minutes to work my way through the list.

And that includes reading this thread.
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Post by: Kurt on April 20, 2006, 11:39:02 PM: Wow...

Pretty tragic... Even with a buddy sitting still taking it in the rear, he only gets 9% hit ratio in fighter...

Hell, I have months where I do better than that against moving targets! But you don't see me ranked 18.

haha, Well, when you're that sorry I guess you have to 'get creative'.

Lets take up a collection and buy some skillz for him.
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Post by: Kermit de frog on April 20, 2006, 11:45:32 PM: ahem.................

ALL YOU CHURCH LADIES NEED TO GO HOME!!!!!

that is all.
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Post by: SHawk on April 21, 2006, 12:01:03 AM: I've been watchin this for about a week now....I think the evidence is clear.

Bye bye SHelbyGT:D
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Post by: nirvana on April 21, 2006, 12:15:46 AM: Come on guys, I feel sorry for him. Why must you punish someone with a low ego that he needs to kill a shade? He just needss to be, needs to be nurtured.

Iron maidens nurture well.
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Post by: TinmanX on April 21, 2006, 12:33:47 AM: How can someone be that stupid with just one head?

Can't say I'm suprised though, nor will I be sorry to see him gone. I was tired of his un-ending 200 drivle months ago.

See ya RM. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord splitcha.
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Post by: Stang on April 21, 2006, 12:35:25 AM: Poor Rmaniac/Sharkee/Lemnhead (I can't remember the rest of the shades)...
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Post by: SFCHONDO on April 21, 2006, 01:05:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SHawk
I've been watchin this for about a week now....I think the evidence is clear.

Bye bye SHelbyGT:D

About time IMO.... :aok
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Post by: sc0r3p@dd3r on April 21, 2006, 01:38:31 AM: Let he who is without scorepadding cast the first vulch...

John 8:7

Seriously Nancy Drews...y'all need to go solve the mystery of "Where's Bin Laden" instead of worrying about which shade I'm vulching this week.

Get a life! :aok
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Post by: Ratnick on April 21, 2006, 01:49:35 AM: glad you guys saved me the trouble of looking the name up - I figured it was him/her/it. If u were going to name yourself after one of carrol shelbys cars you would go for the cobra and not a gt350 - geez.
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Post by: Stang on April 21, 2006, 01:59:26 AM: Quote
Originally posted by sc0r3p@dd3r
I wish I had rank like Shawk
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Post by: Waffle on April 21, 2006, 02:35:17 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Roscoroo
I Feel a ______ coming on .

Con?
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Post by: Squire on April 21, 2006, 04:14:58 AM: Sure a lot of bother?

How do you even do that? land at a base or something, Im trying to figure how you could spawn camp without getting killed by aaa?

Must take a lot of planning.

Weird :huh
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Post by: Slash27 on April 21, 2006, 04:28:51 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Stang
Poor Rmaniac/Sharkee/Lemnhead (I can't remember the rest of the shades)...

Superdud/Megadud/Bear76/Skuzzy/Grits. Its a long sad list:cry
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Post by: gatt on April 21, 2006, 04:36:36 AM: Hey guys it takes balls to kill hundred times one of your best friends ..... :rolleyes:
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Post by: yayyyy on April 21, 2006, 05:35:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Stang
Poor Rmaniac/Sharkee/Lemnhead (I can't remember the rest of the shades)...

the new one is shelbygt
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Post by: croduh on April 21, 2006, 05:40:13 AM: WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY EXTRA 15$ JUST TO HAVE A SCORE??? :O :O
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Post by: scot12b on April 21, 2006, 06:00:02 AM: LMAO :rofl
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Post by: mars01 on April 21, 2006, 07:38:29 AM: Funny thing is any of you guys give a crap to have even found this. :aok

LOL give us a name hahaha. All typhi pilots are dweebs.

"Ohhhh yesa sira" "Cwimb wreawry wreawry high" "Divea wreawry wreawry fast" "Shoota gunns" "Cwimb wreawry wreawry high" "Divea wreawry wreawry fast" "Shoota gunns" "Cwimb wreawry wreawry high" "Divea wreawry wreawry fast" "Shoota gunns" "Cwimb wreawry wreawry high" "Divea wreawry wreawry fast" "Shoota gunns" "Cwimb wreawry wreawry high" "Divea wreawry wreawry fast" "Shoota gunns" "Cwimb wreawry wreawry high" "Divea wreawry wreawry fast" "Shoota gunns" "Cwimb wreawry wreawry high" "Divea wreawry wreawry fast" "Shoota gunns" "Cwimb wreawry wreawry high" "Divea wreawry wreawry fast" "Shoota gunns" "Cwimb wreawry wreawry high" "Divea wreawry wreawry fast" "Shoota gunns"

LOLH
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Post by: dedalos on April 21, 2006, 08:14:15 AM: Lots of see ya comments. What makes you think he is leaving?
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Post by: Urchin on April 21, 2006, 08:22:56 AM: That is what I was thinking to.

If he's got the extra $15 a month to pay for rank, is that against the rules now? It didn't used to be.
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Post by: Creton on April 21, 2006, 08:40:54 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SHawk
I've been watchin this for about a week now....I think the evidence is clear.

Bye bye SHelbyGT:D

So he's in your squad and you have been watching this for a week and not doing anything about it? I guess you were waiting until everyone else seen it to?

Maybe you were the underlying cause for all this by your teammate.He idolize's you and want that #1 spot:D
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Post by: Donzo on April 21, 2006, 09:02:20 AM: How do you look up who killed who?
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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 21, 2006, 09:42:07 AM: Quote
Originally posted by VIC
So he's in your squad and you have been watching this for a week and not doing anything about it? I guess you were waiting until everyone else seen it to?

Maybe you were the underlying cause for all this by your teammate.He idolize's you and want that #1 spot:D

Probably because it not only padded RManiac's score but also the squadron's score and we all know how SHawk feels about scoring...

ack-ack
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Post by: TinmanX on April 21, 2006, 09:49:06 AM: Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
Lots of see ya comments. What makes you think he is leaving?

Quote
Originally posted by Pyro
HTC permanently bans anyone caught cheating in Aces High.

Kinda gives me the impression he's on his way.
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Post by: Roscoroo on April 21, 2006, 10:00:32 AM: oOOOOOoh the plot thickens ... muhahahahaa

(Drops a pile of wood next to the post)
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Post by: dedalos on April 21, 2006, 10:05:55 AM: Quote
Originally posted by TinmanX
Kinda gives me the impression he's on his way.

Well, it is not cheating. In the event that it is, how hard is it to get a new name or IP?
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Post by: Lazerr on April 21, 2006, 10:22:34 AM: Who cares? Not I. ;)
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Post by: mars01 on April 21, 2006, 10:24:19 AM: I don't see this as cheating as much as I see it as ghey, if the people are seriousely doing this so they can have the best score ever.

If HT cared about this kind of crap he would just fix the score system so it doesn't reward this kind of crap. Until then score will always be a joke and easily gamed.
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Post by: Simaril on April 21, 2006, 10:33:23 AM: Tinman......

Although score padding by killing shades is unsportamanlike, it doesnt generally fall under HTCs definition of "cheating" -- ie software manipulation.

I suspect SHawk was referring to ShelbyGT's squad membership rather than his AH account.
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Post by: FX1 on April 21, 2006, 10:41:51 AM: Not once has shawk given anyone in this squad a hard time about score. Look at my score and you will see, i dont give a flip about it.
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Post by: rod367th on April 21, 2006, 10:54:48 AM: Quote
Originally posted by TinmanX
Kinda gives me the impression he's on his way.

lol HTC would have to lose too many players if killing your 2nd account was cheating, I could name atleast 10 that kill 2nd account or kill squadies.
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Post by: rod367th on April 21, 2006, 10:58:15 AM: Quote
Originally posted by FX1
Not once has shawk given anyone in this squad a hard time about score. Look at my score and you will see, i dont give a flip about it.

Really! Then why is shawk and other squadies killing maniac's shade too?
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Post by: E25280 on April 21, 2006, 11:01:10 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Urchin
If he's got the extra $15 a month to pay for rank, is that against the rules now? It didn't used to be.
Are you sure he's paying for it? Infinite free 2 week trials -- this month Beer200, next month Beer201, and etcetera ad infinitum ad nauseum.
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Post by: FX1 on April 21, 2006, 11:07:56 AM: Big problem shawk has killed Beer200 5 times. Looked like RM came hunting for shawk one night. Please....

5 Kills for shawk out of his 1000 kills he has each month. Hell i dont even rtb with less than 5 kills.
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Post by: killnu on April 21, 2006, 11:09:54 AM: out of the possible 392 beer200 deaths, one guy has 173 of them. what luck.
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Post by: icemaw on April 21, 2006, 11:12:10 AM: Cheating no. [SIZE=10]IN[/SIZE]credibly lame yes!
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Post by: nark on April 21, 2006, 11:12:43 AM: be funny if this tool of shelbys was flying non perk, high value planes like a spit 16 or a dora or a lala-hate to think how many perkies one could rack up with this

shelby is a tool-wonder if his webbed fingers and toes hinder his aiming at parked planes (only 9%?) whgat gives?
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Post by: TinmanX on April 21, 2006, 11:33:57 AM: Not cheating huh? Oh well.

Funny though, in just about any other competitive game, ever, using methods such as these to influence results is considered cheating.

Hey. If it's ok with you guys and ok with HTC, I don't give a damn. It's not like I had any respect for the guy in the first place. Nothing to lose.
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Post by: SHawk on April 21, 2006, 12:01:36 PM: Cheating? Maybe. Lame? Definately. I've questioned Shelby about it and he denies it. But a couple others have given me some evidence that is pretty much "Proof beyond a shadow of a doubt"

As for myself I have never knowingly vulched a shades account, and would not lower myself to such. I have never given squaddies pressure about there scores. Suggestions and help yes..hard time about it, Never.
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Post by: FALCONWING on April 21, 2006, 12:28:45 PM: still 200+ kills given to some other rooks....who can it be whoooooooo?

who has the unacounted for bump =)

btw ~~shawk..when i heard about this i thought you might be involved...simple research shows you were not...wtg and stay clean~~
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Post by: Kermit de frog on April 21, 2006, 12:32:39 PM: I am SHawks 2nd shade account!
He vulches me all the time.
Ban him!!!
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Post by: hubsonfire on April 21, 2006, 12:41:11 PM: Apparently, padding one's score through cooperative vulching is considered cheating. At least, it is when we're involved. We just vulched each other, and openly admitted it, no second accounts needed, which got us 2 members banned outright for "attempting to cheat".

If exploiting the trial account system, or starting a second account simply to harass, annoy, and pad scores isn't considered "attempting to cheat", then there's a seriously skewed double standard here.
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Post by: Hammy on April 21, 2006, 01:29:14 PM: Why is anyone suprised by the actions of sharkee/RMoanalot/Lemnhed????

hes the biggest tard this game has................doesnt suprise me one little bit. :rofl
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Post by: Lazerr on April 21, 2006, 01:30:22 PM: squelch hammy

Ohhh damn, that doesn't work anymore does it?
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Post by: Atoon on April 21, 2006, 01:55:30 PM: 1st the sad part= These guys real lifes are so insignificant they feel they must gain respect in a GAME, at whatever cost-

Now the funny part is, that when any player who spends their time learning to actully earn their kills, comes against said score padders 1on1 =Pwnage "wow that guys is ranked #(insert inflated rank here) and I just whipped him with ease!" :aok
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Post by: Roscoroo on April 21, 2006, 01:56:48 PM: (sings)
I'm in the mood for frog legs .... whenever they are neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeear me.... traaaaaa la da daaaaaaaaaaa.
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Post by: dedalos on April 21, 2006, 02:20:25 PM: Quote
Originally posted by TinmanX
Not cheating huh? Oh well.

Funny though, in just about any other competitive game, ever, using methods such as these to influence results is considered cheating.

Hey. If it's ok with you guys and ok with HTC, I don't give a damn. It's not like I had any respect for the guy in the first place. Nothing to lose.

It's not about scoring. It is about winning the war :D
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Post by: dedalos on April 21, 2006, 02:21:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SHawk
As for myself I have never knowingly vulched a shades account, and would not lower myself to such.

I have to agree with SHawk here. He only vulches regular accounts :P

:p :p :p
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Post by: Dead Man Flying on April 21, 2006, 02:33:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SHawk
As for myself I have never knowingly vulched a shades account, and would not lower myself to such.

I can honestly say that I have never vulched a shades account either. I didn't need to! My non-shades squaddies were more than happy to perish so I could obtain some superly super duder awesomely awesome kill totals in lame planes like the P-40 and Spit I.

-- Todd/Leviathn
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Post by: hubsonfire on April 21, 2006, 03:01:06 PM: Get some!
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1374/ahss186my.jpg)
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Post by: SFCHONDO on April 21, 2006, 03:37:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by rod367th
Really! Then why is shawk and other squadies killing maniac's shade too?

Digging for something that isn't there on that comment. Hec; I never even knew RM was Beer200 until this thread. Never met him in the MA, doubt if many in the squad even knew this before now.

I have nothing seriously againgt RM, I never approved of the way he acted on CH200 thinking he was not representing the squad in a good form, and I normally just ignored him, like I do all the idiots the spout off stupid crap on CH200.

I could care less about Rank and SHawk knows this and doesn't give a crap either. He likes having a high Rank and if that's what he enjoys then so be it. Everyone has thier own thing in the game they enjoy. I am not going to judge others if they don't do as I do. I may give them a hard time now and then, but that's all in fun.

Anyway, he is no longer in the squad, and I for one will not loose any sleep over it. What he did or still does is not cheating, Lame as He!!, but I could care less if wants to waste his time doing something so retarded.
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Post by: tatertot on April 21, 2006, 03:43:03 PM: omgggggggggggggggg i must tell 999000 hes been found out his shade account is actuAly BEER 200 :rofl I KNEW HE WAS TRULY A DWEEB HES JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE R OOKIES LOOK GOOD GUYS :D
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Post by: Masherbrum on April 21, 2006, 04:58:29 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Stang
Poor Rmaniac/Sharkee/Lemnhead (I can't remember the rest of the shades)...

Zoso
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Post by: Hammy on April 21, 2006, 06:46:12 PM: Quote
originally posted by Lazer

squelch hammy

Ohhh damn, that doesn't work anymore does it?

LOL and here is the second biggest! :aok
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Post by: SHawk on April 21, 2006, 07:42:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Kermit de frog
I am SHawks 2nd shade account!
He vulches me all the time.
Ban him!!!

I just can't quit you Kermy!!!:D
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Post by: Schatzi on April 22, 2006, 08:11:02 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Donzo
How do you look up who killed who?

Kill stats in an expanded format: Player vs Player.....
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Post by: yayyyy on April 22, 2006, 02:53:23 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Schatzi
Kill stats in an expanded format: Player vs Player.....

mine doesnt work for some reason, only lets me type in one player name
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Post by: Boxboy on April 22, 2006, 03:40:45 PM: What cracks me up is all the "old timers" (I use that term very loosely since most of em are not) are all concerned but in other threads all comment on how "score means nothing".

The facts are that EVERYONE cares how they do, this is a competitive game and if you didn't care you would just take off over and over from a vulched field or some other equally silly thing (I know some do do that but they are generally new to the game and learn better in time).

Some of us are not as good as others in these vertual skies, so we compensate by saying we don't care when someone else "beats us" in the air.

The fact that someone has become so overwhelmed by this game that he needs to "cheat" to pad his score only goes to prove my point on how IMPORTANT score is.

How about this statement (often used by the so called old timers) "you think I am bad just check my score" or "you suck I just checked your score"
we have all heard this on ch200
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Post by: SlapShot on April 22, 2006, 04:19:44 PM: The facts are that EVERYONE cares how they do, this is a competitive game and if you didn't care you would just take off over and over from a vulched field or some other equally silly thing (I know some do do that but they are generally new to the game and learn better in time).

I care how I do, but this scoring system is not what I would ever use to judge how well I am doing.

Some of us are not as good as others in these vertual skies, so we compensate by saying we don't care when someone else "beats us" in the air.

True ... and some of us really don't give a rats arse.

The fact that someone has become so overwhelmed by this game that he needs to "cheat" to pad his score only goes to prove my point on how IMPORTANT score is.

Hardly a trait for someone who has been around for awhile ... what you have described is a "cluess dolt".

How about this statement (often used by the so called old timers) "you think I am bad just check my score" or "you suck I just checked your score"
we have all heard this on ch200

Please list who is an "old timer" that has stated the above ... those statements are usually from someone who has just progessed beyond "newb" and thinks that he/she is good and needs to convince himself/herself of it.
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Post by: FALCONWING on April 22, 2006, 04:20:12 PM: i think you missed thw point boxboy...what is upsetting is how EASY it is to "fix" one's score...that is why noone cares....

this is just a flagrant example of how it can happen and unfortunately it happened to a guy who people disliked...so even more the humiliation...

i personally dont pay attention to others score if it is super high or low...
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Post by: FALCONWING on April 22, 2006, 04:21:42 PM: btw yaaaayyy...you have to use internet explorer to use the function properly...now i know what (IE only) means. thanks hitech for not spelling Internet Explorer =) i have aol at home and it wont work.
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Post by: TinmanX on April 22, 2006, 04:31:24 PM: AOHell is based around IE, which is odd considering AOHell owns Netscape.

You should be able to open and use IE through you AOHell connection though.

Did I make it clear I hate AOHell? Profesional angst, my apologies.
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Post by: FALCONWING on April 22, 2006, 04:34:13 PM: Should be able too...did not work..still wont but when i use IE it does:aok
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Post by: GreenCloud on April 22, 2006, 05:11:57 PM: one guy vulches his hump buddy with a typhoon..the other squaddy cherry picks in his Dorka...

sounds like lonley lives to me....
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Post by: 38ruk on April 22, 2006, 06:05:57 PM: Quote
How about this statement (often used by the so called old timers) "you think I am bad just check my score" or "you suck I just checked your score"

Quote
Please list who is an "old timer" that has stated the above ... those statements are usually from someone who has just progessed beyond "newb" and thinks that he/she is good and needs to convince himself/herself of it.

LOL slappy Spot on :D
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Post by: yayyyy on April 22, 2006, 06:30:19 PM: Quote
Originally posted by FALCONWING
btw yaaaayyy...you have to use internet explorer to use the function properly...now i know what (IE only) means. thanks hitech for not spelling Internet Explorer =) i have aol at home and it wont work.

oh thanks. i use mozilla normally
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Post by: SELECTOR on April 22, 2006, 06:31:44 PM: i personally don't care if this player with what seem to be clinical low esteame cheats or not.. if he paid my sub for the month i would let him blast me for 30 mins or so..it just gos to show how crap the score system is..my solution would be to update the scores 2 weeks after the end of the tour, when nodody gives a hoot or is well into the next tour..
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Post by: Urchin on April 22, 2006, 06:47:13 PM: Quote
Originally posted by GreenCloud
one guy vulches his hump buddy with a typhoon..the other squaddy cherry picks in his Dorka...

sounds like lonley lives to me....

I think you are being a little harsh.

Shawk at least plays the game straight. I think Shelby is getting a little tired of being laughed at for his 2nd account, he seemed awfully defensive in the MA today.
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Post by: guttboy on April 22, 2006, 07:27:01 PM: INterestINg........

Well to each his/her own.....hmmmmm.....

15 bucks times 12 months = A WHOLE LOTTA BEER!!!!!

Now thats alcohol abuse at its finest!
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Post by: Arcades057 on April 22, 2006, 10:03:01 PM: Anyone wana pay my subscription? They can vulch away!!
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Post by: Kurt on April 23, 2006, 12:43:11 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Urchin
I think Shelby is getting a little tired of being laughed at for his 2nd account, he seemed awfully defensive in the MA today.

So you're saying that the guy who got called out publicly is kinda embarrased?

Wow, I never would have seen that coming.

People who don't want to be laughed at shouldn't do things that cause the laughter to happen. Would Bill Clinton have banged Monica if he knew it was going to turn up on T.V.? Hell no.

Stop leading a secret life, then you don't need to worry about people finding out about your little habits.
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Post by: Boxboy on April 23, 2006, 02:43:10 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SlapShot
The facts ........

How about this statement (often used by the so called old timers) "you think I am bad just check my score" or "you suck I just checked your score"
we have all heard this on ch200

Please list who is an "old timer" that has stated the above ... those statements are usually from someone who has just progessed beyond "newb" and thinks that he/she is good and needs to convince himself/herself of it.

Well Slapshot I have been around these things since 1987 and I can remember these types of statements being made in AW, WB, and AH. You don't have to take my word for it ask some of the "real" old timers like Shaky Stick, Doc Gonzo, Blue Baron, Gypsie Baron, Killer, and yes even HiTech if he wanted to comment, plus many others that are still around.
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Post by: gatt on April 23, 2006, 03:25:24 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Urchin
I think you are being a little harsh.

Shawk at least plays the game straight. I think Shelby is getting a little tired of being laughed at for his 2nd account, he seemed awfully defensive in the MA today.

Well, I've been playing for 3-4 hours yesterday and half of the ch.200 krap was from Shelby. Weird from someone whos on defensive or trying to settle things down. I for one I'm very tired of how the MA is. This wave of newbies, furballers (the ones who want all the MA like a single gigantic ball) and score potatos are making AcesHigh .... well, you know.
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Post by: Waffle on April 23, 2006, 03:35:38 AM: Well at least the "toolshedders" aren't out getting second accounts to bomb stuff so they can get better bomber rank :D
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Post by: RedDg on April 23, 2006, 09:43:40 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Well at least the "toolshedders" aren't out getting second accounts to bomb stuff so they can get better bomber rank :D

stop giving them ideas :O

:noid
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Post by: Vudak on April 23, 2006, 10:14:30 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Boxboy
Well Slapshot I have been around these things since 1987 and I can remember these types of statements being made in AW, WB, and AH. You don't have to take my word for it ask some of the "real" old timers like Shaky Stick, Doc Gonzo, Blue Baron, Gypsie Baron, Killer, and yes even HiTech if he wanted to comment, plus many others that are still around.

No doubt those statements happen, but Slap was asking you to name an "old timer" who makes them? When someone brings up rank/score and how it associates with skill ( :eek: ), it's usually a pretty good indication that they haven't been playing so long, or, if they have, they still don't get it.
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Post by: ghi on April 23, 2006, 10:41:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by gatt
Well, I've been playing for 3-4 hours yesterday and half of the ch.200 krap was from Shelby. Weird from someone whos on defensive or trying to settle things down. I for one I'm very tired of how the MA is. .

I agree,ShelbGT/Rmaniac suposed to be kicked out from MA, long time ago, but the moderators didn't see him!!,
i reported that guy many times, and many other players did, What's sad is HTC is more intrested in 15$ than others oppinion, and customers satisfaction.

Some of us have kids playing this game, why expose them to guys like RManiac/ShelbyGT and that kind of dialog? is the game rated for adults only?!
It feels like renting a room in a hotel infested with cockroaches, but the owner doesn't care to clean up !
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Post by: mars01 on April 23, 2006, 11:02:34 AM: Quote
This wave of newbies, furballers (the ones who want all the MA like a single gigantic ball) and score potatos are making AcesHigh .... well, you know.

And the Stoopid meter goes through the roof.

If you had a clue Gatt, furballers want three fields out of the whole map, that is all. Maybe you could get your head out of your arse to see that. Toolshedders and yourself can have the whole rest of the map. Take a better look and actually try reading rather than seeing only what you want and then making dumbarse comments based on it. :aok :lol :rofl
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Post by: SlapShot on April 23, 2006, 12:56:23 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Boxboy
Well Slapshot I have been around these things since 1987 and I can remember these types of statements being made in AW, WB, and AH. You don't have to take my word for it ask some of the "real" old timers like Shaky Stick, Doc Gonzo, Blue Baron, Gypsie Baron, Killer, and yes even HiTech if he wanted to comment, plus many others that are still around.

No doubt you have been around for quite some time Boxboy ... and I do agree that those types of statements are made ... probably every day in the MA.

What you didn't answer was ... who of the "old timer" vets spew that crap ? ... never heard Dok or even HT thump their chest over what their rank is and try to associate it with skill.

Point being ... "old timer" vets don't say those things ... unless of course they really don't get it (after all these years).
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Post by: ghi on April 23, 2006, 02:12:59 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Urchin

If he's got the extra $15 a month to pay for rank, .

.. few threads up:. aStone pays the rooks !.... maybe ShelbyGT got promoted and a bonus $$$
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Post by: Boxboy on April 23, 2006, 02:51:11 PM: Ok Slapshot I see what you are saying I guess you didn't "get" what I was saying.

My point is that these "old timers" are in reality NOT "old timers" but are pretending to be because they have been around abit longer than some of the others.

Point is the new guy has no idea who is and who isn't and it takes some time to find out since the real "old timers" rarely speak out.

The game has a scoring system that ranks folks so the new guy assumes that the "screamer" is right and that his goal should be to get a good score.

As for naming names I will have to write some down the next time I see it on 200 since most times I just ignore that sort of thing.
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Post by: SlapShot on April 23, 2006, 04:21:27 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Boxboy
Ok Slapshot I see what you are saying I guess you didn't "get" what I was saying.

My point is that these "old timers" are in reality NOT "old timers" but are pretending to be because they have been around abit longer than some of the others.

Point is the new guy has no idea who is and who isn't and it takes some time to find out since the real "old timers" rarely speak out.

The game has a scoring system that ranks folks so the new guy assumes that the "screamer" is right and that his goal should be to get a good score.

As for naming names I will have to write some down the next time I see it on 200 since most times I just ignore that sort of thing.

My point is that these "old timers" are in reality NOT "old timers" but are pretending to be because they have been around abit longer than some of the others.

I get it now !!! ... buncha posers !!! ... ;)
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Post by: Shaky on April 23, 2006, 06:28:45 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Boxboy
Well Slapshot I have been around these things since 1987 and I can remember these types of statements being made in AW, WB, and AH. You don't have to take my word for it ask some of the "real" old timers like Shaky Stick, Doc Gonzo, Blue Baron, Gypsie Baron, Killer, and yes even HiTech if he wanted to comment, plus many others that are still around.

Yah...people been saying crap like that since someone created "score", and I've heard dweebs who've "been around awhile" say it too.

One thing was universal, however. Those that kept saying it, whether new dweeeb or old dweeb, were still just that....dweebs :D
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Post by: Chitownflyer on April 23, 2006, 06:29:55 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Stang
Poor Rmaniac/Sharkee/Lemnhead (I can't remember the rest of the shades)...

Blackhwk/lemnhead/sharkee/RManica/ShellbyGT/Beer200....
Those of the names I know for sure he flew under...
I guess only HT would know the turth but
putting a new skin don't change the old smelly log
inside.

This guy's real first name, FYI, is Andy and he was
in the Damned squad, before he got kicked out...

I hope he is banned for this stunt and
good riddance’s to him.

He's the low of the low and is an example of
of the worst sport in AH...

Chi
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Post by: Schatzi on April 23, 2006, 06:37:27 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Chitownflyer
He's a the low of the low..

To be honest, ive seen a LOT lower.

He might not be the best 1 vs 1 stall fighter. He might talk a lot of smack, walking a real tight line on chan200. But so do a LOT of guys/gals. Its not my style, but hey - who am I to judge?

I respect RM for his survival skill and for his knowing his limits. >S< Shelby

PS: Killing a second account isnt cheating. Otherswise youd have to be consequent and call any form of vulch "cheating".... then maybe cherrypicking an unaware target is cheating too?..... Get the drift? ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND AH. And especially in the MA. You got shot? Your fault.
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Post by: Chitownflyer on April 23, 2006, 06:47:12 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Schatzi
To be honest, ive seen a LOT lower.

He might not be the best 1 vs 1 stall fighter. He might talk a lot of smack, walking a real tight line on chan200. But so do a LOT of guys/gals. Its not my style, but hey - who am I to judge?

I respect RM for his survival skill and for his knowing his limits. >S< Shelby

PS: Killing a second account isnt cheating. Otherswise youd have to be consequent and call any form of vulch "cheating".... then maybe cherrypicking an unaware target is cheating too?..... Get the drift? ALL IS FAIR IN LOVE AND AH. And especially in the MA. You got shot? Your fault.

If you don't know the differance between "Vuching" and
Cheating with the use of a second account to pad your score, then
what can I say.

Well, vulching some one dumb enough to up a
capped base is "dumb luck" but some one using a second account
to vulch and pad the score of a primary account is a
Cheat... it's that simple....IT's Cheating....
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Post by: Schatzi on April 23, 2006, 07:05:45 PM: LoL, cheating implies a gain...

Ability to command CVs? Respect from players? That know score means squat anyway?

"Cheat" is a tweaking software to get an advantage another person hasnt. Paying for a second account to kill it isnt that.

If Schutt shoots me - is that score padding? (In case you dont know - were a couple living together). We do fly different countries at times......
How could you distinguish between him padding his score killing me and me getting simply shot by a better pilot? Were "cheating"???

Get a grip there. You keep saying score means squat - then why care about someone padding his?

The only thing you can cheat by padding your score is yourself.
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Post by: Chitownflyer on April 23, 2006, 07:23:27 PM: Get a grip?....

It's a simple matter of defintions...

Cheating is Cheating... simple as that.

if you don't know the diffrence, what can I say.
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Post by: Schatzi on April 23, 2006, 07:24:59 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Chitownflyer
Get a grip?....

It's a simple matter of defintions...

Cheating is Cheating... simple as that.

if you don't know the diffrence, what can I say.

We seem to have a different definition of "cheat" - agree to disagree? :)
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Post by: Stang on April 23, 2006, 07:25:48 PM: The only thing that matters, right or wrong, is what HiTech considers cheating. So castigate the tard for what he did, but the decision as to what should be done isn't in our hands.
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Post by: Vudak on April 23, 2006, 07:32:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Redd, many moons ago

When you get enough rank you can control the boats. This is very important. When you control the boats you can write things onto the map using the waypoints.
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Post by: ghi on April 23, 2006, 07:35:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Stang
The only thing that matters, right or wrong, is what HiTech considers cheating. .

Business first ! Why to consider "cheating ", a dweeb that pays double ?!
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Post by: Schatzi on April 23, 2006, 07:40:48 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Vudak

Quote
Originally posted by Redd, many moons ago

When you get enough rank you can control the boats. This is very important. When you control the boats you can write things onto the map using the waypoints.

:rofl
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Post by: gatt on April 24, 2006, 01:16:39 AM: Quote
Originally posted by mars01
And the Stoopid meter goes through the roof.

If you had a clue Gatt, furballers want three fields out of the whole map, that is all. Maybe you could get your head out of your arse to see that. Toolshedders and yourself can have the whole rest of the map. Take a better look and actually try reading rather than seeing only what you want and then making dumbarse comments based on it. :aok :lol :rofl

Cool down Mars, I was referring to idjiots constantly harassing others on ch.200 just for being outside their furball or playing something else than bite-your-tail-no-matter-what-plane-you-ride. And this well bejond that three fields area. Or I'm doing a mistake and you are on of them?
Title: Definatley not the first
Post by: Atoon on April 24, 2006, 03:23:29 AM: To do this, but surely the most contraversial. This thread has been up and running for about a week and not a single input from any staff member. Surely by now they are aware of it, yet no input.

This leads me to believe they wish us to take it for face value. It is apparently not viewed as a cheat, but is OBVIOUSLY frowned upon by the majority of the community.

IMO, I'm quite glad the culprit has been exposed, and that the community has chastized the actions of the perpetrator as well as the beneficiaries.

Still, I have no doubt this exact scenario will occur again, and prolly happens alot more than any of us realize. I see it as the same mentality of the masses that horde, or use the HO as their primary means of combat. Simply put- Gaming the game, no matter what the cost.

My goes out to those that earn their rank and score the "old fashioned way". a rank of #500 earned, is more valuable than a rank of #15 gamed.

stunninghunk formerly known as Anton
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Post by: mars01 on April 24, 2006, 07:29:47 AM: Quote
Cool down Mars, I was referring to idjiots constantly harassing others on ch.200 just for being outside their furball or playing something else than bite-your-tail-no-matter-what-plane-you-ride. And this well bejond that three fields area. Or I'm doing a mistake and you are on of them?

Nothing to cool gatt, I just call em like I see em. I have never seen what you speak of, if they are furballers they could care less what the others outside of the fur are doing. The only time you will hear from a furballers is when the fur is killed. I have to think those that you speak of aren't furballers. Carry on.
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Post by: Squire on April 24, 2006, 09:38:03 AM: Cheating?, ughh, no. Its not a "hack" or something similar.

King Of The Dweebs (with sceptre, crown and ermine cloak)

Yes. Absolutely. To pad your score with "bought drones" is dweebery.

"Spying" is sort of dweeby (side switching and feeding info), but its done, and some consider it a valid part of the game too.

"HOing" is considered by many to be "less than honorable", yet most? do it (at least some times).

Flying LA-7s and only LA-7s? hmm, I will leave that one alone ;)

...and yes, its up to HTC to decide what they code, and how they code it, and what they allow, and don't. Its their sim.
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Post by: Max on April 24, 2006, 10:34:10 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Chitownflyer
Blackhwk/lemnhead/sharkee/RManica/ShellbyGT/Beer200....
Those of the names I know for sure he flew under...
I guess only HT would know the turth but
putting a new skin don't change the old smelly log
inside.

This guy's real first name, FYI, is Andy and he was
in the Damned squad, before he got kicked out...

I hope he is banned for this stunt and
good riddance’s to him.

He's the low of the low and is an example of
of the worst sport in AH...

Chi

Chi...don't sugar coat it :rofl
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Post by: dedalos on April 24, 2006, 11:03:23 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Boxboy
The facts are that EVERYONE cares how they do, this is a competitive game and if you didn't care you would just take off over and over from a vulched field or some other equally silly thing (I know some do do that but they are generally new to the game and learn better in time).

I care about how I do. I care about killing you and not how many points I got. Thats the part that is meaningless. As long as you went boom boom, I could not care less about score. As for upping vulched fields :D yeah, they are all new and will learn eventually :rofl
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Post by: Boxboy on April 24, 2006, 11:34:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
I care about how I do. I care about killing you and not how many points I got. Thats the part that is meaningless. As long as you went boom boom, I could not care less about score. As for upping vulched fields :D yeah, they are all new and will learn eventually :rofl

heheh so you NEVER check your score right dedalos. I have to say that while I can never know for sure I doubt that is true :D
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Post by: Schatzi on April 24, 2006, 11:43:59 AM: Checking your score doesnt mean that you care about them.

Personally I take a look at my scores (or better: stats) regularly (every week or so). Shake my head and keep on flying. The only thing i really "worry" about is my hit%. Anything else.... well..... errr...... i better not care, right? :rofl
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Post by: Dead Man Flying on April 24, 2006, 11:57:17 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Boxboy
heheh so you NEVER check your score right dedalos. I have to say that while I can never know for sure I doubt that is true :D

I think most players look at their stats to see how they're doing relative to how they normally perform. If I feel that I'm having a particularly long run of good or bad aim, I'll check my hit percentage to see how it measures up to what I consider my natural average. However, I do not (nor does Dedalos, I'm sure) look at the rank associated with those statistics. The rank constitutes the "score," not the statistics themselves, and we should take care not to confuse the two.

-- Todd/Leviathn
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Post by: Gunslngr on April 24, 2006, 12:10:33 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Well at least the "toolshedders" aren't out getting second accounts to bomb stuff so they can get better bomber rank :D

Actually I think the toolshedders use their second accounts to fly escort for their own bombers when they can't get fighter support. They have been actually reported to kill enemy planes :aok .

I know of a player to establish a 2nd account to fly goonies to resupply the base that his toolshedder buddies are flying from so they can perform bombing missions. Sometimes he takes troops to capture bases.

The horror and shame of using a second account to help your own country
by cooperation and team work instead of having it go to another country
to help inflate your ego and compensate for a small pitot tube.

What are some of these guys thinking.....:rolleyes:
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Post by: Edbert on April 24, 2006, 12:14:04 PM: I agree with you completely there lev, but even the stats themselves are easily manipulated with just a little effort. Witness...I was able to go from a 3.5K/D in the last tour to a 12 this tour by flying differently and actually trying to stay alive. I know the quick retort is that I avaoided contact often and the K/T must have suffered but go take a look...it went from 6.8 last tour to 10 this tour.

I am NOT trying to brag, I am of average (at best) skill in the MA. I'm just saying that both score and stats are easily manipulated if their manipulation is a goal. There was no shade activity, in fact I only killed one squaddie one time, I was ble to cherrypick Stang once last week.
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Post by: FALCONWING on April 24, 2006, 12:51:17 PM: I'm sorry but there is no way that what he did was not cheating...

Hitech takes hacks a lot more seriously then cheating and i can understtnd that as it would affect more players and compromise the game...

That being said there is a whole section for scores and "congratulations" are given for top and runner-up...so it is not just a "fun" score as some seem to think...ask the top 20 score pilots and ask if it is of importance ot them or if they got top 20 by poure luck while defending vulched bases...

Yes this is just a game...and no there are not set rules like in chess...but spying....padding scores....affect the community and should be viewed for what it is....cheating. The advantage he gained was taking slots from better pilots under him...note that Shawks squad has dropped to 3rd from 1st after he was booted...ask the top squad if it matters they now legitamately have number one squad spot?

I dont play for score...but i dont slam those that do....I do slam folks who do things that are "Wrong" if not technically "illegal".:furious
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Post by: SFCHONDO on April 24, 2006, 01:05:17 PM: ROFL ... Wow I made a spot on Falc Sig....Dam I must of done something good to get that...LOL.....:D
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Post by: FALCONWING on April 24, 2006, 01:24:42 PM: Hehe hondo..all in fun..i can remove if itis offensive...:aok
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Post by: SFCHONDO on April 24, 2006, 01:33:24 PM: Naa, I know your just messing around. I can handle it. It's all Good. It's good to be able to razz someone and them not get all bent around the axle and take it personnal.

Ofcourse SHawk may get upset. He was really hurt when his SHeep (I mean wife) left him years ago...LOL
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Post by: dedalos on April 24, 2006, 01:49:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by FALCONWING
...ask the top 20 score pilots and ask if it is of importance ot them or if they got top 20 by poure luck while defending vulched bases...

I could tell you what their answer would be:

They were not defending any vulched bases. They were the vulchers in in the absense of that, they were cherry picking. There is one and only one way to achieve a good score. Don't fight, and game the game.
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Post by: Furball on April 24, 2006, 02:02:27 PM: Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
There is one and only one way to achieve a good score. Don't fight, and game the game.

wrong.

u are the weakest link. goodbye.
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Post by: Stang on April 24, 2006, 02:16:58 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Edbert
...in fact I only killed one squaddie one time, I was ble to cherrypick Stang once last week.
:mad:

Gang banging tard.

:)
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Post by: Edbert on April 24, 2006, 02:23:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Stang
:mad:

Gang banging tard.

Gangbang? I take offense!

Your SA was AFK, you were on autoclimb, and probably typing, it was a pick, pure and simple...there was no gang other than the gang of little 109 parts fluttering to earth:D
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Post by: dedalos on April 24, 2006, 03:29:10 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Furball
wrong.

u are the weakest link. goodbye.

Get some scorez or STFU :furious
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Post by: Schatzi on April 24, 2006, 03:32:52 PM: Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
Get some scorez or STFU :furious

Stop letting girls in pink planes kill you :t

:D
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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 24, 2006, 03:33:35 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Chitownflyer

He's the low of the low and is an example of
of the worst sport in AH...

Chi

Kettle meet pot...pot meet kettle.

You're cut from the same cloth as he is CHIA Pet, so don't go pointing any fingers at anyone 'cause you'll just have 3 pointing back to you.

ack-ack
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Post by: TinmanX on April 24, 2006, 03:34:05 PM: It dawned on me the other day, while watching SGT gob off on CH200 again that this thread is making him happy. He's an attention seeking little git and we're giving him exactly what he wants (besides a mother who loves him and a father who doesn't touch him 'there').

So I am (and have been for some days) out of this thread and the socially backward ShelbyGT can look elsewhere for his fix of feeling included/excluded/paid attention to.
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Post by: GreenCloud on April 24, 2006, 04:19:42 PM: urchin...i know shwah not as crappy as this other bhag...but I have never seen him outside of His Dorka..safety net of being in fastest plane..

to me its boring to Bnz all day..then if you get soem one higher then you ...run like a little kid at Neverland...i like challenges and mixing it up..but hey..some people drive in the passing lane slow....this world has all kinds
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Post by: Furball on April 24, 2006, 04:30:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by dedalos
Get some scorez or STFU :furious

i am the lowest ranked BK. therefore i am the bestest BK.

I have 5 gold stars on my badge, you have 1, stupid noob :lol

get some more gold stars before smack talking, tard, and go mop the toilet floor.
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Post by: ghi on April 24, 2006, 04:37:15 PM: Hey,BGB , where are you !?
didn't see you for awhile in MA
It used to be fun intercepting your buffs otw HQ, afk, in your laundry day:)
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Post by: Arcades057 on April 24, 2006, 04:43:29 PM: Wait a tick... correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the BKs usually like the first people to come out and slam someone praising score and perks above all else in this game? But then they go around and vulch members of their squad and shade accounts for (gasp) points and perks? In high ENY planes?? Say it ain't so!!

If you're doing it for fun, why do it in a P-40b? Why not fly an LA or a -51D??
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Post by: hubsonfire on April 24, 2006, 05:03:52 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Arcades057
Wait a tick... correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the BKs usually like the first people to come out and slam someone praising score and perks above all else in this game? But then they go around and vulch members of their squad and shade accounts for (gasp) points and perks? In high ENY planes?? Say it ain't so!!

If you're doing it for fun, why do it in a P-40b? Why not fly an LA or a -51D??

We didn't actually vulch each other, and gained no perks, and no points. They were all proxies. The P40B was chosen so that it would be even more obvious that it was a stunt.

So, consider yourself corrected.
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Post by: jaxxo on April 24, 2006, 05:04:34 PM: :rolleyes:

"to help inflate your ego and compensate for a small pitot tube." why else? heck some bk's have static ports :P
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Post by: RedTop on April 24, 2006, 05:41:07 PM: This thread is:lol able. This ShelbyGt or whoever he is...is a putz. So what. He'll just get banned or quit and show up with another account.

Who cares.
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Post by: 2bighorn on April 24, 2006, 06:42:52 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
nor does Dedalos, I'm sure
You are sooo wrong is not even funny...
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Post by: Chitownflyer on April 24, 2006, 07:29:07 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Kettle meet pot...pot meet kettle.

You're cut from the same cloth as he is CHIA Pet, so don't go pointing any fingers at anyone 'cause you'll just have 3 pointing back to you.

ack-ack

Thats just one opinion, yours.

I don't think yours has much wieght here,
besides, what ever I have done in the past
is nothing compared to setting up and vluching your self
with a second shades account for the sole purpose of
maximaizing your score with out the usual work needed
otherwise.

Truth is Truth. With all the shades and secondary accounts
Shelbygt/Rmanica may have, me thinks you are him
in shades, in which case your opinion means pig squat.

Chi
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Post by: Silat on April 24, 2006, 07:31:45 PM: Did I miss where you all had proof that Beer# is RM?
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Post by: Max on April 24, 2006, 07:50:23 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Chitownflyer

Truth is Truth. With all the shades and secondary accounts
Shelbygt/Rmanica may have, me thinks you are him
in shades, in which case your opinion means pig squat.

Chi

Nah...ackack flies too well :rofl
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Post by: TheManx on April 24, 2006, 08:42:51 PM: Damn, that was hurtful ;)

Quote
Originally posted by mars01
All typhi pilots are dweebs.

LOLH
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Post by: Cobra412 on April 24, 2006, 11:51:51 PM: I see the AH Soap operas continue. If no one really cares about scores then why is there 3 pages here? Or is this just a thread to belittle someone in public?
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Post by: Kurt on April 25, 2006, 12:03:41 AM: Welcome back my friends to the thread that never ends, we're so glad you could attend.. Come inside, come inside...
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Post by: Schatzi on April 25, 2006, 01:11:28 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Silat
Did I miss where you all had proof that Beer# is RM?

Whats "proof" in an online community? And who NEEDs proof anyway?? Lets just buuuuurn him at the stake ;).

He said himself that he was RM more then once. And he mouthes off like RM on chan200.
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Post by: Waffle on April 25, 2006, 01:26:20 AM: Just a matter of the community policing the community.
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Post by: Roscoroo on April 25, 2006, 01:37:48 AM: (http://artfiles.art.com/images/PRODUCTS/large/11756000/11756289.jpg)
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Post by: Vudak on April 25, 2006, 01:41:04 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Cobra412
I see the AH Soap operas continue. If no one really cares about scores then why is there 3 pages here? Or is this just a thread to belittle someone in public?

Well, these threads only come along every so often you see, and it is rather nice to get away from the "Furball vs. Toolshed" debate now and then... :D
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Post by: asilvia on April 25, 2006, 01:59:26 AM: I am still wondering if ShelbyGT reported me to HiTec for shooting him down with field ack :D
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Post by: GreenCloud on April 27, 2006, 06:17:16 PM: ghi...been really busy..moving homes ..girlfriend..ect...my account ends may 3rd...

ill be back someday...

would lov eto bomb ur HQ..with a 1,000 buff raid in TOD!!!!!!!!!!
Title: What alot of you seem to be missing . . .
Post by: shiningpathb4me on April 28, 2006, 12:32:23 AM: in your hysteria is that ShelbyGT does a pretty good job of helping the rooks wherever he may be, and whatever happens to be going on. He's helped me many times. You can usually count on him to get the job done efficiently, and move on to the next task w/out alot of yakking about who he just shot down. If he's padded his score I couldnt care less. Maybe he'll use it to control a cv in some intelligent way. I may get a second account to run supplies with, or troops when I have a base ready. If I want to switch sides w/ him and vulch him what business is it of anyones?

You know whats really lame? Someone who would spend the time it must have taken to figure out the player stats interface, then spend more time researching various players kills looking for some way to embarass them publicly. Sounds like some of ya'lls ego's are based on your AH player rank. Man it must really suck to be you . . .
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Post by: Central on April 28, 2006, 01:34:51 AM: In all fairness,

i just dont have time to read all the posts so i dont know if he fessed up to cheating or not....

But, i have kids and yes i had several accounts back in the days, when my son was done wasting all his ammo (on me with no kill), was i going to let him land? hell no, was time for him to learn some SA, BFM or anything to live. Has he killed me yet? Yeah, once or twice, i guess.

Point being, at the start for my son to learn, he died ALOT, just like the rest of us. (me landing ALL 100-200+ kills in all)

Just thinking of posibilities he could have been in. Like they say, innocent till proven guilty. So dont slam just yet, till the truth is out or HT considers it cheating and does something about it. If the tables were turned and i was at the butt end of ths firing squad, i'd be slightly offended at the slamming and accusations. Again, only if it were in my situation.

Was i considered a cheater back then? I never was that i know of.

Great flying and I'll be back in the saddle when TOD comes. :)
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Post by: Waffle on April 28, 2006, 02:21:52 AM: Quote
Originally posted by RedTop
This thread is:lol able. This ShelbyGt or whoever he is...is a putz. So what. He'll just get banned or quit and show up with another account.

Who cares.

Correct - we'll just stop when he shows up with "frdpinto" as a handle..... :D Then it will be fitting...lol!
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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 28, 2006, 09:46:46 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Chitownflyer
Thats just one opinion, yours.

I don't think yours has much wieght here,
besides, what ever I have done in the past
is nothing compared to setting up and vluching your self
with a second shades account for the sole purpose of
maximaizing your score with out the usual work needed
otherwise.

Chi

Actually, it's a commonly held opinion along with the other opinion that you're just a joke. And just like RManiac/ShelbyGT, you're just a loud mouth blowhard in the MA without a single ounce of skill to justify all the crap you spew and whine about in the MA. Which basically confirms that you're cut from the same cloth as RManiac and VOSS.

ack-ack
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Post by: stantond on April 28, 2006, 10:57:46 AM: Now that were on the topic...

First time I encountered Beer200 he PM'd as a Rook me telling me I sucked because I killed his NIK1 in a HO with my F4U-1 (which was untrue, btw). I PM'd him back and laughed at him, told him to deal with it and then squelched him. He then changed sides to Knights and prattled a lot on the country channel.

I have never had someone, other than Beer200, do that to me before or since. I am not sure what his motivation was, or what he hoped to gain, but it was memorable.

Regards,

Malta
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Post by: Furball on April 28, 2006, 12:26:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Actually, it's a commonly held opinion along with the other opinion that you're just a joke. And just like RManiac/ShelbyGT, you're just a loud mouth blowhard in the MA without a single ounce of skill to justify all the crap you spew and whine about in the MA.

:rofl
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Post by: Chitownflyer on April 28, 2006, 12:34:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Actually, it's a commonly held opinion along with the other opinion that you're just a joke. And just like RManiac/ShelbyGT, you're just a loud mouth blowhard in the MA without a single ounce of skill to justify all the crap you spew and whine about in the MA. Which basically confirms that you're cut from the same cloth as RManiac and VOSS.

ack-ack

That’s just your Opinion. The difference lies in the fact that

1. I don't switch sides, handles, wife’s...ect with
the frequency of that of RM/Shelby and in fact a few others in AH.

2. I have been playing AW, WB, FB, TR, Ah for the last 10 years.
and quit frankly, I'v killed you enough time to know that you
have little talent and very unqualified to judge mine.

3. You, and about 3 others in the main, are like Ankle biting, Leg humping
dogs that harangue me constantly, with out end in disproportion to "little"
harmless trash talking I do. My "Stick" if you will, is about 10 years old
and it's part of what I do, if you don't like it, then you have two choices.
Deal with it and/or leave.

In closing, my very simple thought, to you Aka and the few other that may, and I mean may hold that same opinion as yourself is, simply, Eat S**t, and die.

Chi
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Post by: Furball on April 28, 2006, 12:47:11 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Chitownflyer
In closing, my very simple thought, to you Aka and the few other that may, and I mean may hold that same opinion as yourself is, simply, Eat S**t, and die.

Chi

Great closing statement.

Can i sell the tickets to the rematch?
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Post by: SHawk on April 29, 2006, 11:18:59 AM: I think I'm gonna have to post some of my personal "Chi Collection" films for some good laughs.:D
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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 29, 2006, 11:38:30 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Chitownflyer

2. I have been playing AW, WB, FB, TR, Ah for the last 10 years.
and quit frankly, I'v killed you enough time to know that you
have little talent and very unqualified to judge mine.

Chi

I think I am more than qualified to comment on how you fly considering I've never lost a 1v1 to you. You suck, plain and simple. Honestly, shooting you down is like vulching a shade account except without the risks. Shooting down a C-47 in AH takes more skill than shooting you down, that's how much you suck. And the really sad thing is I'm not exaggerating.

Poor little CHIA-PET...

ack-ack
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Post by: Max on April 29, 2006, 11:58:05 AM: I'm beginning to think that Ack-Ack and Chia have issues.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 29, 2006, 12:44:02 PM: Just find it amusing that no talent 'tards like CHIA-PET chime in and comment about others.
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Post by: Stang on April 29, 2006, 12:46:16 PM: LOL, I'm with Ack-Ack on this one.
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Post by: Waffle on April 29, 2006, 12:47:25 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Just find it amusing that no talent 'tards like CHIA-PET chime in and comment about others.

No kiddin! - Why are you posting here? :D
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Post by: Furball on April 29, 2006, 01:02:36 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Just find it amusing that no talent 'tards chime in

Quote
Originally posted by Stang
I'm with Ack-Ack on this one.

:lol
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Post by: kamilyun on April 29, 2006, 05:11:04 PM: Furball...don't you ever change your avatard again. ;)
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Post by: SFCHONDO on April 29, 2006, 07:48:28 PM: This Thread has to get the Gold Doo ... :D

(http://home.comcast.net/~samaras/wsb/media/287205/site1049.gif)
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Post by: SHawk on April 29, 2006, 07:51:43 PM: Quote
Originally posted by kamilyun
Furball...don't you ever change your avatard again. ;)

Furballs is nice, Hondo's is better.:O
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Post by: SHawk on April 29, 2006, 07:55:17 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Just find it amusing that no talent 'tards like CHIA-PET chime in and comment about others.

I'm with Stang and Ack- Ack on this one...............Wait a minute, I'm agreeing with Stang and Ack-ack?
Holy crap! 3rd sign of the Apocalypse:confused:
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Post by: GreenCloud on April 29, 2006, 08:42:04 PM: Chi,,u did it..ak"stratasphere" ak ...doesnt play AH anymore

just one less alt monkey to worry about

hehehe
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Post by: Sloehand on April 30, 2006, 02:30:31 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Chitownflyer

He's the low of the low and is an example of
of the worst sport in AH...

Chi

Are you just mad cause he passed you up and made you Number Two worst sport?
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Post by: Sloehand on April 30, 2006, 02:50:35 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Schatzi
We seem to have a different definition of "cheat" - agree to disagree? :)

Schatzi -

While this is NOT as important as feeding all the starving children of the world, I've got to interject that I don't agree with you on this. If nothing else, I think you might agree that the perpatrator's actions in the context of this game, are not honorable.

For me a pretty reasonable (but not necessarily all inclusive) definition of cheating is - is the player purposely engaging in some action that is significantly outside the intended and well-understood operation (rules, guidelines, boundaries, accepted behavior, etc.) of the game to gain some type of unfair advantage (position, score, etc.), and does it have a secretive or embarassing taint to it such that the perpatrator prefers that it not be commonly known.
In other words, do you think HiTech (if he'd thought about it and/or cared) intended that the scoring system he provided with the game could/should be skewed by someone score-padding via intentionally killing a shade account in collusion? Given the obvious circumventive intention of the score-padder, the precise and deliberate actions he/she initiate to achieve the score-padding, and the effect of diminishing of the validity and integrity of the games scoring system and its intended purpose (i.e. reasonably reflecting the skill ranking of the players), I would most certainly classify that and any other similar actions, cheating.
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Post by: Chitownflyer on April 30, 2006, 03:16:35 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Sloehand
Are you just mad cause he passed you up and made you Number Two worst sport?

Nice, now Clowns like you are now putting words in my mouth ...DORK....
Your one of those that hump my ankle in the main all the time.

BTW... Killing you is ez cuz you got very little talent
except your big mouth...

Chi
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Post by: Sloehand on April 30, 2006, 04:57:40 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Chitownflyer
Nice, now Clowns like you are now putting words in my mouth ...DORK....
Your one of those that hump my ankle in the main all the time.

BTW... Killing you is ez cuz you got very little talent
except your big mouth...

Chi

Though I would love to say I stone cold own Chi, the statistics point to the fact we are about even in our 1v1 match ups, though Chi did get 22 of his kills on me in my first 3 months learning the game. Since then the edge has moved in my favor as I've improved, given both 1v1 and overall tour scores. I apologise for dragging out the score crap, but its the only near objective, unbiased comparison to eradicate such spacious remarks as put out by the Chi-guy.

As a matter of fact, I really don't refute that Chi can play the game, just that he is an unpleasant, nasty-mouthed individual (especially when he's on your side in the MA) who plays mostly to stroke his ego and belittle others. He is one whom I believe few players have much respect for in any way... and it's justified. LOL

By the way, I wondered where you guys found the Tour scores and such, so this was a good exercise to find out. Also, was wondering what my improvement curve would look like. LOL

Let's none of us take this too seriously. :D

From AH stats-

................. Sloehand . Chi-ump
Kills on
the other ........ 37 . . . 34

Tour Overall Score for Tour
75 ................ 374 . . . 381
74 ................ 312 . . . 476
73 ................ 427 . . . 415
72 ................ 127 . . . 574
71 ................ 159 . . . 518
70 ................ 258 . . . 470
69 ................ 286 . . . 884
68 ................ 489 . . . 681
67 ................ 291 . . . 614
66 ................ 760 . . . 828
65 ................ 1121 . . . 590
64 ................ 994 . . . 296
63 ................ 1310 . . . 508
62 ................ 2744 . . . 1008
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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 30, 2006, 08:57:30 AM: Quote
Originally posted by GreenCloud
ak"stratasphere" ak ...doesnt play AH anymore

I don't?

ack-ack
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Post by: SHawk on April 30, 2006, 11:23:17 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Sloehand
As a matter of fact, I really don't refute that Chi can play the game, just that he is an unpleasant, nasty-mouthed individual (especially when he's on your side in the MA) who plays mostly to stroke his ego and belittle others. He is one whom I believe few players have much respect for in any way... and it's justified. LOL

Man, you hit the Nail on the Head. I spend alot of my time picking on Chi for this very reason.:D
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Post by: Kurt on April 30, 2006, 11:32:22 AM: Why won't this thread die?
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Post by: SHawk on April 30, 2006, 11:38:49 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I don't?

ack-ack

I've been wondering for some time now which 475th is Ack-Ack in drag:D
Maybe he's really Beer200?:rofl

But Seriously,All these Shades accounts are really getting outta hand.
Maybe if peeps didn't make complete jerks of themselves they wouldn't have to hide behind a new name. Now Chi for example could benefit from a new handle, but the dorkiness would shine through and he'd be exposed in less than 24 hrs. Besides I'm sure he'd never chuck those 38.6 perks he worked years to earn.:huh
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Post by: killnu on April 30, 2006, 11:43:10 AM: Quote
I've been wondering for some time now which 475th is Ack-Ack in drag

i havent seen many of us over 20k(most of us 10k and under types), so i doubt we have an AKAK shades in squad. :aok

i do believe you meant the 479th tho, as that was AKAKs old squad.:aok
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Post by: SHawk on April 30, 2006, 11:53:57 AM: Quote
Originally posted by killnu
i havent seen many of us over 20k(most of us 10k and under types), so i doubt we have an AKAK shades in squad. :aok

i do believe you meant the 479th tho, as that was AKAKs old squad.:aok

Yes, you are correct. 479th is what I meant. Damn numbers :p
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Post by: killnu on April 30, 2006, 11:59:20 AM: Its ok Shwk, i know you are old and senility is setting in.:p
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Post by: LEDPIG on April 30, 2006, 12:13:23 PM: Every body getting their panties all in a bunch over a dam# game.

REPEAT IT WITH ME.... THIS IS ONLY A GAME....ONLY A GAME......

IF THIS WAS ACTUAL COMBAT WE'D ALL BE PUSHIN UP DAISY'S

PROBABLY ME FIRST LOL...:aok
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Post by: WldThing on April 30, 2006, 01:50:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by LEDPIG
Every body getting their panties all in a bunch over a dam# game.

REPEAT IT WITH ME.... THIS IS ONLY A GAME....ONLY A GAME......

A little competition never hurt anyone :p
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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 30, 2006, 02:11:09 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SHawk
I've been wondering for some time now which 475th is Ack-Ack in drag:D
Maybe he's really Beer200?:rofl

But Seriously,All these Shades accounts are really getting outta hand.
Maybe if peeps didn't make complete jerks of themselves they wouldn't have to hide behind a new name. Now Chi for example could benefit from a new handle, but the dorkiness would shine through and he'd be exposed in less than 24 hrs. Besides I'm sure he'd never chuck those 38.6 perks he worked years to earn.:huh

Never have and never will use a shade account and as KillnU pointed out, I'm in the 479th.

ack-ack
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Post by: Chitownflyer on April 30, 2006, 03:41:56 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SHawk
I've been wondering for some time now which 475th is Ack-Ack in drag:D
Maybe he's really Beer200?:rofl

But Seriously,All these Shades accounts are really getting outta hand.
Maybe if peeps didn't make complete jerks of themselves they wouldn't have to hide behind a new name. Now Chi for example could benefit from a new handle, but the dorkiness would shine through and he'd be exposed in less than 24 hrs. Besides I'm sure he'd never chuck those 38.6 perks he worked years to earn.:huh

I rather be a dork than a vluching, loser point padding potato.
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Post by: Stang on April 30, 2006, 04:04:39 PM: Shawk may be a rank dweeb, but he has a mullet. That makes him cool. Go away Chi.
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Post by: LEDPIG on April 30, 2006, 07:14:42 PM: Let's just admit it were all full of bulls$#t. Me included lol!!:D
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Post by: SHawk on May 01, 2006, 01:40:22 AM: Quote
Originally posted by WldThing
A little competition never hurt anyone :p

This is a competition?? OK who knew and didn't tell me?:huh
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Post by: SHawk on May 01, 2006, 01:41:24 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Stang
Shawk may be a rank dweeb, but he has a mullet. That makes him cool. Go away Chi.

Power is in the Mullet!!! Beware!:D
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Post by: Edbert on May 01, 2006, 07:25:07 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SHawk
I've been wondering for some time now which 475th is Ack-Ack in drag:D
Maybe he's really Beer200?:rofl

I thought that was fester...:huh
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Post by: hogenbor on May 01, 2006, 07:49:06 AM: The only encounter with Chi I can remember is when I shot him and his buddy down in a low alt furball, long ago. In a few minutes he and his buddy returned at 20k and dove on me (at 15k) screaming revenge (and getting it). Boy, I like to p*ss people off by shooting them down.

The only encounter with AKAK on the other hand was when I lamely jumped him, misjudged lead, overshot and got myself shot in two.

Does this add anything to this degenerated thread? Not at all, I'm just at work and bored. But I think I like AKAK more.
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Post by: FALCONWING on May 01, 2006, 08:48:24 AM: Chi had to suggest you modify your signature..change it to:

"takes two to ho.....one to whine"

thats my personal saying =)

BTW chi has been very cool as a bish..helpful and not abrasive at all on country ch...was a pleasant suprise to me and i hope he stays.

i like shawk as well and can appreciate his squads style of getting him kills...er i mean his style of flying =) he is courteous on ch200 and i do like that very much

:aok