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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on April 21, 2006, 10:51:35 AM
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First off, I'm a die hard charcoal kind of guys. I've cooked BBQ meat since I burned my first steak in 1974 (and improved since then!) Its ALWAYS been charcoal, just like my dad, and his dad, and his dad...well, you get the point.
Anyway, found a beautiful Vermont Casting 50,0000 BTU gas grill with a nice rotisserie calling my name at Home Depot, on sale. Called up my local contractor and he's coming out today to pipe natural gas to the patio so I don't have to mess with bottles.
I think I took the "Gas" plunge out of convenience more than anything (However "On Sale" always gets my attention!) I'll keep my Webber kettle around for those times I get a jones'sing for that deep charcoal BBQ flavor.
RIP Charcoal bags, and lighter fluid. You helped pack 50 pounds on this frame and I'll miss you :(
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Ripsnort say it aint so.... Trader! I am a Webber man of 30 years I will never give up my coals, they will have to pry my cold dead hands off the bag.
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Originally posted by BTAirsol
Ripsnort say it aint so.... Trader! I am a Webber man of 30 years I will never give up my coals, they will have to pry my cold dead hands off the bag.
Good news is, we'll still use charcoal when camping! :)
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i use both depending on were i am. both has its upsides, but gas is by far more conveniant in every way when im at home.
either way, the food gets burned and i get drunk
speaking of drunk, i have bought a bottle of whisky i havent tried before so wish me luck
enjoy your food ripley
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Mega Lo Mart now has propane and propane accessories at Mega Lo prices.
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Blasphemer!
Ive been usin the mesquite coals & hickory chips....for the past week straight !
:aok mmmmmmmmmm
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Make sure you got the natural gas version and not the propane version. Different regulators and stuff.
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Rip - what kind of gas is it, and what colour is the cylinder? I have a gas fire which uses butane (blue cylinder). There are different sized cylinders - mine contains 15Kg of gas. I suspect this is what you have - or do you have the red (propane) gas cylinder?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Make sure you got the natural gas version and not the propane version. Different regulators and stuff.
Yeah, it was special order (Another $25 more) They'll assemble it when it comes in next week. I got the natural gas guys out right now piping natural gas to the outside of the house.
Beet: See above.
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Why anyone would spend $1,000 on a gas grill is beyond me.
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My grill is made from metal. Seems a gas one would not support the meat.
Reminds me of when I bought a wood stove. Damn thing was completely consumed by the fire.
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Reminds me of when I bought a wood stove. Damn thing was completely consumed by the fire.
Ahh, you bought the Demo model, those dried out. You gotta keep the wood wet.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
My grill is made from metal. Seems a gas one would not support the meat.
Reminds me of when I bought a wood stove. Damn thing was completely consumed by the fire.
ROFL!! Have another drink Holdn. LOL!
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Rip sorry to break your lil charcoal heart there Hero, but Ralph Nader had the Vermont Casting 50,0000 BTU gas grill on Recall for Months!!!
Something about unexpected uncontrollable combustion and accidential deaths if I remember correctly.
No wonder Home Depot had them on sale.
:rofl
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
Rip sorry to break your lil charcoal heart there Hero, but Ralph Nader had the Vermont Casting 50,0000 BTU gas grill on Recall for Months!!!
Something about unexpected uncontrollable combustion and accidential deaths if I remember correctly.
No wonder Home Depot had them on sale.
:rofl
Mac
:rofl :rofl
Shizer, I'm with ya bud. I'd never pay that much either. ;)
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Gas Grills. Reminds me of the commercial about window coverings or shades whatever. One lady was showing off her new window coverings to here neighbor. In the backgound outside in full view from that window her husband was fussing with a gas grill. LOL dam thing launched and exploded falling to the backyard in a heep LOLOLOL.
Correct me if I'm wrong.....anyone ever have that trouble with Kingsford Briquettes?
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"Correct me if I'm wrong.....anyone ever have that trouble with Kingsford Briquettes?"
Since Kingsford charcoal could safely serve as flame-retardant material (it lights only slightly more easily than solid granite), probably not. On the other hand, the 7 gallons of lighter fluid used in a futile attempt to start the charcoal might prove a bit of a safety hazard. I've found that the generic charcoal Save-A-Lot sells offers the best mix of flavor and convenience. I can actually get it started on a windy day without using so much lighter fluid that the meat ends up tasting like gasoline.
I have nothing against gas grills. Meat does taste a little better grilled over charcoal, but the difference is so minute that it doesn't matter--steaks and burgers taste good grilled over gas OR coals.
J_A_B
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LOL J_A_B ! I think from all the way here in Maine, when you light your BBQ up, I see the flash from here, wondering whom we nuked!
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Traitor !!!
Nothing but my weber or my old 2 layer cast iron charcoal luv goddess (great for campin)
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One thing that I like about Vermont Castings as opposed to $300 Weber's all of the way up to $4,000 Vikings? Vermont Castings don't use "Cotter Pins" or some cheap a** gizmo to use as a lid pivot.
Good choice Rip, you get the "all Stainless" (no black painted lower frame)?
I personally use a Charmglow Natural Gas grill that was brand new when we bought our house in 1999. If I didn't want to repair the burners last year, I had the "All Stainless" picked out.
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You can't barbecue with gas, there's no ashes!
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Rip,
First of all, I am a die hard charcoal/ hardwood bbq man. whether it be grilling, smoking or in between, nothing beats the flavor of a wood fire. Now with that said, gas is convienent and you really dont need a wood fire to cook hot dogs or certain meats where the marinade/seasonings are the provider of flavor.
I sold those units for some time now and there are a couple of design flaws you should know about so they won't surprise you.
1. The side peices of Vermont Castings lids are that, cast with a coating on it. This makes the unit feel very beefy. However they do not react well to major temperature changes such as water being spashed on them when the grill is hot.
Inspect these peices asap for cracks.
2. Many, Many customers claim the grill does not get hot enough/takes a long time to get the temperture up and maintain it. This is due to the LARGE vent formed by the lid and the back of the grill. With the lid shut run your hand in the gap, it is huge. With natural gas you have unlimited fuel so not as large a problem. With propane it raises the cost to run it.
If you are going to use the grill for smoking/bbqing, customers have suggested using aluminum foil to fill the void or custom fit an old towel rolled up and dampened to keep it from igniting.
3. If your unit has the Porcelain-enameled cast-iron grids, inspect these for cracks as the coating can chip and get on your food.
4. The stock temp gauge in woefully inadequat for smoking. I have had many customers purchase a professional temp gauge that we sell and retro fit it to thier grill for more accurate readings.
something like this: http://www.lswelding.net/Gauges.html
Enjoy your grill man.
And I'll take mine Medium rare....
Shoulman.
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Originally posted by Hajo
Gas Grills. Reminds me of the commercial about window coverings or shades whatever. One lady was showing off her new window coverings to here neighbor. In the backgound outside in full view from that window her husband was fussing with a gas grill. LOL dam thing launched and exploded falling to the backyard in a heep LOLOLOL.
Correct me if I'm wrong.....anyone ever have that trouble with Kingsford Briquettes?
Hajo I've seen that Commercial...LMAO when I seen it... Now and forever it will be known to me as "Rips new Gas Grill!!!"
I laffed til I had tears....
Mac
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impulsive behavior.
he's on 'riods.
shouldn't be permitted to pass 20k posts.
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He's actually somewhere over 30k posts IIRC.
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I only had one prob with Kingsford charcoal...this is what happened.
Picture this: Nice Spring Church BBQ.... I packed my Webber like a true man in the trunk. got there just before services. Set up my Webber, half a bag of Kingsford with ample amount of lighter fluid......
Well there was a somewhat "true Christian with good meaning" feeling somewhat small by measurement with his half burning lil "Hibactichi"....
Being a true Charcoal man I bent over to rip a piece of the charcoal bag off to light the coals... and with out me knowning this "true Christian Man" dumped his half burning "Jap HiBiYatchie" coals into my "True American Webber...." as I turned with foresaid lit piece of burning charcoal paper I was meet with the sound of "WHOOOSH" and being headlong consumed within a beautiful fireball.
I remember several men pattin out the flames on my head, lost mustache, nose hairs, eye brows, most of hair from forehead to ears, and somewhat during my time in the fireball to the patting down I had said more that a few "Hail Mary's" more like "Holy Fuggin Jebus, you fuggin stunninghunk... Christ put me out!!!!" and a few words not nice in Korean along the lines of his "Mother fornicating with a Bulldog"
Well it seems that the the Church...Korean Methodist Church, was now in Worship session with the windows open... guess I was a lil loud after the "WHOOSH" cuz it seemed like it emptied the Church and my wifey looking at me "Roundeyed!!!!" for the words I have spoken out loud while on fire.
Once the flames were put out and I looked as if I was a morbid tryout for Pink Flyods the "WALL" I was properly scolded by the foresaid wifey and made to sit time out in the car where I , sinhged and red faced and properly cussin my arse off smoked a frikken cig.
Other than that I've never had any probs with Kingsford charcoal!
:aok
Forever Charcoal!
Mac
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Originally posted by rpm
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You can't barbecue with gas, there's no ashes!
lol, I like the reaction from Steve when they tell him it's the mother in law's ashes in the burger he's eating, he stops for a second, smiles and keeps chewing, classic!
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Heretic.
Well since you decided to head that way anyway. Might as well take the full plunge and start shopping for a more appropriate wardrobe for yourself
Heres a
Catalog for ya (http://www2.victoriassecret.com/category/?cgnbr=OSSLPZZZZZZ) :)
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Originally posted by J_A_B
"Correct me if I'm wrong.....anyone ever have that trouble with Kingsford Briquettes?"
Since Kingsford charcoal could safely serve as flame-retardant material (it lights only slightly more easily than solid granite), probably not. On the other hand, the 7 gallons of lighter fluid used in a futile attempt to start the charcoal might prove a bit of a safety hazard. I've found that the generic charcoal Save-A-Lot sells offers the best mix of flavor and convenience. I can actually get it started on a windy day without using so much lighter fluid that the meat ends up tasting like gasoline.
I have nothing against gas grills. Meat does taste a little better grilled over charcoal, but the difference is so minute that it doesn't matter--steaks and burgers taste good grilled over gas OR coals.
J_A_B
Never had a problem with Kingsford unless it got damp (left ourside in the rain)
Once its been wet it wont light right no matter how dry it gets.
Least thats been my experiance.
I always keep my charcoal dray.
Lighter fluid is for sissies.
Real men use 1/2 cup of Coleman fuel and flip matches on it from 10 feet away (:: Doing best Eddie Murphy::"Now THATs a Fire!")
If your food tastes like lighter fluid your probably cooking too soon.
Or your using Gasoline for lighter fluid
The entire coal is supposed to be ashed over before you start cooking
If you honestly think the taste between Gas and Charcoal is minute.
Either your tastebuds are shot to hell or you like your food burned to a crisp.
Burned food tastes about the same no matter what you cook it on LOL
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"Never had a problem with Kingsford unless it got damp (left ourside in the rain) Once its been wet it wont light right no matter how dry it gets."
That could easily be the cause.
"If you honestly think the taste between Gas and Charcoal is minute.
Either your tastebuds are shot to hell or you like your food burned to a crisp."
Yeah, I really can't tell much difference between the two. I feel charcoal grilling is better, but not so much so that I'm terribly picky about it. Both are better than cooking meat in the stove, which is what matters to me. I consider my meat "medium" (my old man cooked his until the edges were black and flaking off), but I have to order it "well done" in restaurants or else it invariably gets served bloody and cold. If it leaves a puddle on my plate, it ain't done.
I've used white gas in many foolish and dangerous ways, but it never occured to me to start a grill with it.
J_A_B
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"Never had a problem with Kingsford unless it got damp (left ourside in the rain) Once its been wet it wont light right no matter how dry it gets."
Try alotta Gas!!! A blow torch helps!!!
No Charcoal Left Behind!!!
:aok
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
Try alotta Gas!!! A blow torch helps!!!
No Charcoal Left Behind!!!
:aok
Mac
Coleman fuel will light just about anything.
And doesnt leave as bad a nasty aftertaste.
Just stand back when you light it LOL
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Coleman fuel will light just about anything.
And doesnt leave as bad a nasty aftertaste.
Just stand back when you light it LOL
You mean white gas? Be very careful with that stuff! :eek: