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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Schatzi on April 22, 2006, 11:02:29 AM
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Ive been asked about the SpitMk1, on how to fly it. I have some films, but im not sure they are really "exemplarey" :).
Anyone has any good "How to fly a Spit1" films out there?
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Generally speaking, you add a 6 to it, and fly it like you would any other 1944 plane.
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Yea dont fly it. :D
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Yea dont fly it. :D
Aww... cmon! Dont tell me youre scared of a GIRL in a SpitMk1 :D :t
Urchin: With such comments you have lost your rights to whine about Spit16 horde in the MA ;).
Now serious: Im sure theres sticks out there that can kick some butt in a Spit1!
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:lol :lol :lol
schatzi, i have lots of films that i used to make my battle of britain film, including some of wolfalas :)
im sure out of the 40 or so fights caught on camera there may be some decent clips in there, i can email them to you if you like :)
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Well Schatzi, in a Spit1 you just can't catch any butt to kick. You'd be hard pressed to gain closure on a 202.
But generally speaking one would just fly it like any other Spitfire, but just take care not to cut the engine out too much, and perhaps hope to God for a headshot.
It can be a fun plane, but the fun is usually to be had in small groups or lone wolfing it... (At least in MA) Not too much fun in a furball being the assist king.
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Originally posted by Vudak
Well Schatzi, in a Spit1 you just can't catch any butt to kick. You'd be hard pressed to gain closure on a 202.
But generally speaking one would just fly it like any other Spitfire, but just take care not to cut the engine out too much, and perhaps hope to God for a headshot.
It can be a fun plane, but the fun is usually to be had in small groups or lone wolfing it... (At least in MA) Not too much fun in a furball being the assist king.
Fun it is definitly.
Compared to the HMk1... its a little easier catching your target, a little more difficult to tail it (due to bad roll) - the guns dont really deserve the name.... you either have the target on convergence or hell feel like your throwing a handfull of gravel at him.
I think i basically fly it like a HMk1 - which is why I dont think MY films are a good example.
Pooface, it would be great if you could post them. If not, mail them and I will host. Thanks.
Schatzi
PS: LoL Roo :). I NEVER surrender :t
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Aww... cmon! Dont tell me youre scared of a GIRL in a SpitMk1 :D :t
Urchin: With such comments you have lost your rights to whine about Spit16 horde in the MA ;).
Now serious: Im sure theres sticks out there that can kick some butt in a Spit1!
Someone call?:D
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compared to the hurricane mk1 the spitfire mk1 is a total waste of time.
diving at speeds over 280mph you have less control response than a 109g6 at the same speed. compression, while never life threatening, is a contant problem with hard turning cannon firing opponents. high speed snapshots and long deflection kills are out of the question unless you are a gunnery god.
slow speed its a little beauty, slightly lighter and alot less powerfull than our spitfire mkV. sadly ever down here the hurricane mk1 will dominate in every area except climb.
when the carb cus out you may find the resulting plumets and death spins can be very tough.
as far as flaps go the hurricane is just laughing at the spit.
seriously, the spit mk1 is probably the most unlikely plane to get kills in a fully dar bar'ed sector.
if you really want a laugh, try taking out a box of B17s with one.
it is a really fun plane.
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FT is the best place for spit1 and hurri1
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Ive flown the Spit1 a bit the last few days and I actually do really enjoy it.
What I do is I come in at about 5k into furballs. Flying higher is a waste of time. I look for enemies that are locked on target below me. The good thing is that no one takes you seriously so you get time to work your targets.
If someone is low and slow you can saddle up on him no problems. Especially on Spit16 dweebs. Im dead serious here Ive had Spit16s trying to out turn me. If you see him using his roll he is a decent pilot and then you break off. If he doesnt you will get him.
The three things you got to your advantage are a) element of supprice no one takes you seriously b) a decent climb rate up to 5k c) good turn rate.
you have to push the little bugger vertiacally and use that sub 5k climbrate to keep all the E you can keep in the plane.
A big nono is to attempt rolls in high yoyo like manouvers. If you roll in a high yoyo you will create a situation where you are inverted and h ave pulled neg g. This will kill you. You will be left hanging inverted without any engine power and you will end up in a death spiral.
You have to use your snap shots alot. You have to think ahead alot finding the angles and cutting the lines inorder to get into firing solution.
Also when you are in the furball make sure to stay on the perimeter and dont get sucked to deep into it as you wount get out.
Since you will constantly be at low alt you will have to work on your BnZ avoidance skills. Its quite easy as your so slow that most people wount hit you in BnZish attacks but you will constantly have to worry about it.
Is a fun plane to fly but yes the Hurrie1 is definatly a better plane. Only thing you got on the hurrie is the climb rate at sub 5k. But this can be used very effectivly.
Tex
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shoulda come into the Ava for some SpitI practice Schatzi, had some great fights this week.
And poo is the devil. :eek:
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The only real times Ive flown the spit 1 was in the MA for about 2 weeks pretty consistently for the BoB scenario. Then flew it in the AvA which was fun as the planes were equal and MA was boring.
Guns are definately not truly respected as when flying it in the MA, found it would tear apart cv craft and 51s with ease.
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Originally posted by Treize69
shoulda come into the Ava for some SpitI practice Schatzi, had some great fights this week.
And poo is the devil. :eek:
nah, im not that good in it, and i was really rusty today lol, i just got lucky with some moves on you guys :)
i filmed all the fights i had today with treize and platano, so i can post those. also got storch on film being a total dweeb on 200 and being a total tool, so it's an added comedy bonus. will host them and put them up for you :)
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Thanks for the replies all.
I flew the SMk1 for he last week, since i swore to stay out of the HMk1 for a while. ;)
Im impressed how well I did in it in the MA... it kind of surprised me. But compared to the HMk1... it SUCKS. In EVERY aspect possible. See the difference between the two here (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176103).
What i have most trouble with is the convergence issue. Those spread out 303s cant hurt a FLY. 3 kills and im bingo......
Flew a few duels against Furball in a La7... surprisingly good match (providing the La is stallfighting, not running). SMk1 can hang on the prop like no other - just dont get it into subzero Gs.....
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yeah lol. actually, i find the spit isnt bad gunwise. i was taking off people's wings tonight and they thought i was in a mk5 using hispanos because i tore them off so quick :) just a matter of distance i guess, getting nice and close :)
i'll put the films up so you can see, but really, it's just a spit, fly it like you would for any other, but get in close for the shots :) and im sure you're better than me with the 303's :)
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damn it, pauls site is down and morph's kinda stops during the upload :rolleyes:
i'll try email them to you:aok
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Originally posted by Pooface
yeah lol. actually, i find the spit isnt bad gunwise. i was taking off people's wings tonight and they thought i was in a mk5 using hispanos because i tore them off so quick :) just a matter of distance i guess, getting nice and close :)
i'll put the films up so you can see, but really, it's just a spit, fly it like you would for any other, but get in close for the shots :) and im sure you're better than me with the 303's :)
LoL Poof, im a much crappier shot then you are and you know that.
The problem is not only getting close... its having convergence distance when shooting. If your shooting range is further then 50 yds off convergence, seems like you do no damage at all (except the odd fuel leak/pw etc) .Had it at 175 like in HMk1 - that didnt work out well. Got it to 225 now.... thinking about trying 250. Ill post some films later, youll see what i mean then. If you hit in conv, its like quad hispanos... but if its NOT... its more like throwing gravel. Its not that noticable in the HMk1.
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yup i can understand what you mean:lol sometimes you can get rid of half your ammo, with roughly a 30-40% hit ratio, and not do anything, and then you can tear someone's wing off with 30 rounds:lol
reckon you can PM me your addy so i can send them to you? otherwsie i'll post them up tomorrow morning :)
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Schatzi, I highly recommend 250-275 convergence on the Spit I. Thats where I have the best luck anyway.
As for flying it, you almost have to treat it like an underpowered P38. Rudders. Lots of rudders. Pull on the stick more than you would the other Spits or the Hurri, you can easily roll inverted and remain that way in loops or yo yos without worrying about the negative G cutouts if you keep pressure on the stick and rudders. I've had the plane almost at a dead stop rolling out of an Immelman and not lost engine until the very last bit of the rollout. If you time things right, you can do it without any cutout at all. I find it often works better to barrel roll to line up on a con than to try using the stick when they are evasive, using the extra space the roll gives you to help line up on target, rather than trying to make small, quick corrections with the stick.
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ive flown that nasty twisty turning thing alot .. yes set your conv at min
200- 225
(the scarf is for blinding the masses when there on ur 6) :D
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Ok, heres how ive been doing so far:
SMk1 vs Mossie (http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/films/SMk1vsMOSS.ahf)
SMk1 vs P47-D11, SMk5 (and Ki84) (http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/films/SMk1vsP47Spit5Ki84.ahf)
SMk1 vs La7 (DA fight) (http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/films/DA_Furball_1.ahf)
SMk1 vs Mossie - SMk1 vs P38G, La5 and Yak9T (http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/films/SMk1vsP38La5Yak.ahf)
Pooface in the AvA: SMk1 vs 109F4 (http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/films/Pooface.zip)
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
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your gonna need this Dear .:D
Kinda frilly there Roscoroo... Anything else you want to bring out of the closet?
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had some fun fgs with u the other night ith me in a zerowas ok till some other bugers try to still the kills.
had 2x190 ad a p51 try to kill my zebut they lost lol.
iike the spit 1 its fun bu ince the last patch the hndelng as gone down hill a little still hey dont expect yu to fight in one
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Thanks for all the help folks. Much appreciated!
Rogerdee: yes, those were fun ones! >>S<<
But as I said: a girl cant even get herself killed in peace in the MA. Always someone butting in :).
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You should try the AvA, plenty of work for the Spit I in there right now. At least until the Spit V takes over. Had a great fight with Kongkyuk's 109F yesterday. Rather, I had alot of fun trying to stay out from in front of his guns. :) I only managed a couple of snapshots, dont think I even hit him. I kept trying to force an overshoot and he just wouldnt fall for it.
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SpitV has already taken over the AvA. Its just SpitV, HurriII and 109F now.