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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Makarov9 on April 22, 2006, 03:27:45 PM
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I just order a full size steel model of a Witness 45...now the CA 10-day wait begins. I know lazs and a few others mentioned they owned one. Have you gents made any changes, such as springs etc.? Supposedly they are very accurate pistols and can be made even more so with modifications. Any suggestions or tips? Changed grips?
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I like Pachmeyer grips on my 1911's. As to anything else, take it to the range first and run at least 250 rounds through it to check reliability and accuracy before making any other changes. Let it "wear in" a bit first.
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Grips are ALMOST purely subjective. How it FEELS to YOU is most of what's important on grips. Since no two humans have the same hands, you can only seek the advice of a fellow Witness owner with similar hands. After that, it is trial and error.
I've never heard anyone brag about accuracy of the Witness series. Not that they aren't accurate, but my experience has been they are decent, and serviceable.
Mav is correct, stock up on decent affordable ammo while you wait, then go run at least 200 rounds through it (the more the better), and check for reliability. The first thing to make certain of with a self shucker is that it self shucks and self loads with absolute reliability, and it goes BANG every time. Then work on the rest.
IF it is reliable, then look at an action tune up, and maybe a feed ramp polish to enhance accuracy. After that, buy different brands of ammo until you find something you and it like very well. And proceed to enjoy your 2nd Amendment right to the fullest.
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Ok... you might not like this.
Next to my Kimber the thing feels and shoots and looks like junk. It is not junk... just feels and looks like it.
I bought wood grips for it... they were expesive and thin at $75 but they made if look and feel less like junk.
They are not very accurate... If a revolver got that kind of accuracy I would sell it off.
The thing would not feed a full mag of 45's... I finaly found that the takedown latch/slide latch was sticking in too far into the frame and diverting the round from entering the chamber(45's probly not well thought out by the EAA people and no mods were made from 9mm)
I knew that if I took too much off the latch the slide would not hold open.. so.. frustrating trial and error... It works fine now after some slight mods to TWO very cheezy and expensive 10 round mags that even king kong couldn't get more than 8 rounds into.
horrible trigger.
Mine is "compensated" with a lug on the end of the threaded barrel that looks like it's notch was cut with a cutting torch.
The gun shot 10" high at 25 yards (probly cause the front sight is moved back cause of the compensator) I had to file the rear sight down halfway through the cheezy white dots.
on the plus side...
It is easy to take apart/field strip
you can change calibers with a new slide and mag in seconds (I have a 22 conversion that is very accurate despite the lousy trigger.).
I don't shoot this gun much.
I think it will shoot a whole mag now every time but....
lazs
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Great gun for the Money.. Bought one and sold it to a friend he loves it.
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Dag nabbit lazs, one of the reasons I went with the Witness was because of your many recomendations in the past! #$%&^ $@#^*& $#$@&^**. Also a friend with a lot of handgun experience also recommended them. Oh well, I've read a lot of good things about them and a few not so good. At least it's not a very expensive pistol. I wanted a .45 but really didn't want a 1911. I actually wanted a Springfield XD45 but you can't find them anywhere in CA right now.
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Don't cast judgement on it until you shoot it. Don't worry about what someone says, just SHOOT it and see for yourself. It may be a hell of a shooting machine for you so don't pre judge it.
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I won't...it'll probably be a semi-accurate, reliable pistol. If not I'll get something else. :)
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Not to bring up the obvious, but what about at the next OClub outting bringing it along?
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A lot of guns vary piece to piece, rather then model to model. Yes, it might not compare to a Kimber.
But you have to compare it to other pieces of the same model. You might get a good one, you might get a dud. Lazs probably got a dud. It happens sometimes.
Also, most of the individual models have something quirky about it. I had to replace my Century Arms 1911 extractor almost right off the bat. Later I found out that CA for some odd reason has crap extractors in all of their guns.
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Ok... it is a cheap gun and I got it for free from my son who got it for free on a car trade deal... They were very unhappy with it not feeding but the first guy thought it was a great gun for accuracy even tho he didn't know it shot 10" high.... people have different ideas about accuracy
A makarov is a precision, highly machined instrument compared to a witness. It is the cheeziest gun in my safe but I don't have any plastic ones.
I know I can make one work tho. That is worth something.
Also... mine was a "compensted" early model... I think that was about half or more of the problems with it.
Also.... when I was younger... I bought every cheap gun that was a good deal.... now.... I would rather have 2 good, quality guns than 5 cheap ones that I had to make excuses for.
lazs
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Oh well, I still have a Makarov and Beretta 92FS for fun. The Witness 45 will probably be my "project" gun for me to tinker with if need be. The EAA Witness is made by Tanfoglio in Italy. They are suppose to be nice weapons and are popular in Europe. They do make some higher-end competition models. Maybe I'll get a sweetie instead of a dud.
Hell, Sheriff Jim Wilson likes the Witness 45 Poly...and he's more of a grodigidy old cowboy than you are lazs.
http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=22 (http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingtimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=22)
Wolfala, will definetely bring it to the next outing. I'm curious if g00b was ever able to find a Springfield XD45 that he was looking for. Would like to try out one of those also.
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Maverick and FX1, you guys were right about the EAA Witness 45. I shot mine this weekend and I'm very please with my purchase. After lazs called the Witness 45 the more horrific pistol ever known to mankind, I was very hesitant on what I was going to get. Overall I'm impressed by the quality of it. It's no Kimber, but it's very well made and I find the craftsmanship very near to my Beretta 92FS. Fired 200 rounds of various brands of ammo without a hickup. Accuracy seemed good, was able to keep most rounds in 8in black target at 25yrds. I just need more practice and better trigger control. It's definitely more accurate than I am at the moment. Here's a few pics of it:
(http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/445fb44azda75a066/b02bscd/__sr_/8eb3scd.jpg?phI07XEBUKiQrSgE)
(http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/445fb44azda75a066/b02bscd/__sr_/2e47scd.jpg?phI07XEBXS5RruLa)
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for some reason those won't display. I am glad you are happy with the gun. Mine will shoot about 6 or so inch groups at 25 yards too... bout like my PPK or makarov.
My witness reminds me of why I am a wheelgun fan. My Kimber allmost makes me forget (least at close range).
lazs
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why are you talking to Lazs about auto guns?..hes a wheel driver
cowboy
btw..dam Lazs..looks liek they doing all sorts of construction in Dixon..looks liek more stop lights : (
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The EAA is ok but parts are easy to pick up. Lone wolf should have a spring kit for the .45. If you ever have problems with jams i would go ahead and pay for the springs. I just would love for EAA to import their ipsc line of guns to america. Great for the price and if you drop it in the water its not the end of the world. Have some fun with it practice and after time upgrade but you can always keep your EAA as a hand me down. I bought mine for a glove box gun for the ranch truck. Shot 3 snakes with it lol.
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yeah... Dixon is growing by leaps and bounds... almost 18,000 people now... I gotta get out of here when I retire in a few years. And by "out of here" I mean kalifornia.
lazs
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Mak,
Glad it worked out for you. Some folks get a bad example off of the line like Laz did and others get one that works fine. All you can do is try it out and see how it works for you. Later on you can try "tuning it up" a bit and see if you can make it even better.
Handguns are a very personal fit type of thing and not all of them fit most people. If you get ohne that works for you, you can't ask for more until you learn to shoot better than the pistol can.
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FX1, thanks for the tips. I'll probably get a Wolff spring in the near future.
Mav, yes I really like the feel of the pistol. It has a nice fit in my meaty hands. Recoil was pleasant, being a weighty pistol helps, and accuracy can probably be improved. Of course I'm the biggest reason for the being able to increase accuracy. I'm looking forward to putting in a lot of trigger time to get better. In the future I may add a 10mm slide on it.
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I would agree totaly that handguns... and long guns are a very subjective choice and that what works for one does not for another. I have been around a lot of firearms for a long time and have developed a sense of what I like.... and that is just it... not what others like but what I like.
In some instances it makes you feel like the guy who walked into the potato house and the hooker laughed and said "who ya think your gonna please with that little thing?" and he said "me".
Glad you like the gun. I bought the 22 kit for mine and with a little work it feeds most ammo and is very accurate.
lazs