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Title: German E boat
Post by: Billy Joe Bob on April 22, 2006, 05:28:12 PM
we only  have the american PT boat ... it would be kinda nice to have another boat

(http://www.hobbiesguinea.com/imagenes/images2/eboatimage2.jpg)

(http://www.hobbiesguinea.com/imagenes/images2/eboatimage1.jpg)

i cant find any other good pics
Title: German E boat
Post by: SuperDud on April 22, 2006, 07:49:56 PM
Good idear... but it needs a n00k torpedo! :p :D
Title: German E boat
Post by: Billy Joe Bob on April 22, 2006, 09:24:24 PM
i almost knew you would pop in with a nuke comment :lol
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Post by: Kurt on April 23, 2006, 01:20:37 AM
If it fundamentally is the same as a PT, I can see why they wouldn't invest the coding and art time... Really, AA guns, Torps, 50ish MPH...

The only thing fundamentally different is the designator.

The PT can fill the role in any special event.  I don't think this would be a good use of development time. (Not that my opinion matters... Just guessing why its not been done).
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Post by: wylieboy on April 23, 2006, 10:05:38 AM
man that's a nice model:eek:  all in favor of a new boat say aye. as for me    aye:aok
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Post by: Pooface on April 23, 2006, 11:21:06 AM
what kurt said...
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Post by: Brenjen on April 23, 2006, 11:40:01 AM
That is a nice model; I like how they did the water....it looks real good. Oh...I agree with kurt.
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Post by: SMIDSY on April 23, 2006, 05:02:25 PM
first of all, please be more specific when you say "E-Boat" as there were different kinds as with the PTs in the American Navy. anyhoo, the difference between the PT and the german equivilents are that the germans made their torpedo boats out of metal and not plywood, making them infinately more durrible. though they did carry only 2 torpedos they were faster because of their superior hydrodynamics. it would basically be the T-34 of the high seas in AHII.
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Post by: frank3 on April 24, 2006, 05:07:46 AM
I must disagree with Kurt, it might be almost the same like the PT, but is that a problem?
There are several aircraft in Aces High which share similar look, armament and performance, although they are from different countries.

Or what about the B-17 and the B-24? Besides the looks and a small difference in speed, they're almost completely the same!
And from the same country!

IMO that the E-boot would be a great addition
Title: German E boat
Post by: Ghosth on April 24, 2006, 06:54:20 AM
Smidsy,

Ok so where is the problem with that?

If PT's have to gang up on em, use superior tatics, ambush's, whatever.

Thats the FUN part of having something new to play with.
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Post by: cav58d on April 24, 2006, 08:41:40 AM
Yea seriously....Forget the E boat...I want water like that in AH!:cool:
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Post by: Mr No Name on April 24, 2006, 01:04:54 PM
I'd like to see this added too!  (Now that I said it's what I want... It will never happen LOL)

thumbs up on a great suggestion though  :aok
Title: German E boat
Post by: cav58d on April 24, 2006, 03:41:16 PM
If only our "animated water" was that cool......................... ................:furious
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Post by: SMIDSY on April 24, 2006, 03:53:20 PM
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Smidsy,

Ok so where is the problem with that?

If PT's have to gang up on em, use superior tatics, ambush's, whatever.

Thats the FUN part of having something new to play with.


never said that was a problem. i am in favor of implementing E-Boats.
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Post by: Treize69 on April 24, 2006, 04:01:32 PM
Add Vospers too. Used by several countries, and on both sides of the conflict.

(http://www.ww2ships.com/britain/images/gb-sc-002-p001.jpg)
Title: German E boat
Post by: SMIDSY on April 24, 2006, 04:02:49 PM
yah, but the german ones are so cool and armored and have lickety speed!
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Post by: Brenjen on April 24, 2006, 04:26:21 PM
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I don't think this would be a good use of development time. (Not that my opinion matters)


 I agree with Kurt because of that statement. That being said I would like to see all the new equipment added that they can. but seeing how slow new maps are in coming & how slow new rides are in coming; the E-boat doesn't rank real high with me...(higher than the jeep though):)
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Post by: Rino on April 24, 2006, 05:43:27 PM
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Originally posted by Brenjen
I agree with Kurt because of that statement. That being said I would like to see all the new equipment added that they can. but seeing how slow new maps are in coming & how slow new rides are in coming; the E-boat doesn't rank real high with me...(higher than the jeep though):)



     OTOH, how hard would it be to adapt the current PT to a Schnellboot...
other than the graphics of course.  It would be tougher and since the
engines were diesel i guess it would sound differently.  But the physics
model must be extremely close to our current PTs.
Title: German E boat
Post by: Kurt on April 24, 2006, 09:06:23 PM
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Originally posted by Rino
OTOH, how hard would it be to adapt the current PT to a Schnellboot...
other than the graphics of course.  It would be tougher and since the
engines were diesel i guess it would sound differently.  But the physics
model must be extremely close to our current PTs.


Well Rino, you talk like you code a lot of computer games, I'm sure if you work up the models for them they'll be happy to toss them into the game for ya.

And if you don't, I think its a little pretentious to start saying whats easy and what isn't.
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Post by: Rino on April 24, 2006, 11:06:44 PM
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Originally posted by Kurt
Well Rino, you talk like you code a lot of computer games, I'm sure if you work up the models for them they'll be happy to toss them into the game for ya.

And if you don't, I think its a little pretentious to start saying whats easy and what isn't.


     Well golly gee expert man, why don't you clue me in then.  What would
be the insurmountable difficulty in coding a vehicle that uses the same
things that the previous coded PT already has?  I'm sure only a brain  
surgeon like yourself could point out the problem.
Title: German E boat
Post by: Kurt on April 24, 2006, 11:28:35 PM
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Originally posted by Rino
Well golly gee expert man, why don't you clue me in then.  What would
be the insurmountable difficulty in coding a vehicle that uses the same
things that the previous coded PT already has?  I'm sure only a brain  
surgeon like yourself could point out the problem.


I'm not the one who says what is easy and what is hard Dr.Tude.

I don't know.  I never claimed that I know.. That was YOUR line.  Maybe it is easy... Maybe its 3 minutes hard work... But I bet 85% against you that its more than you think.

I do program professionally, but not games. I work in the travel industry on the systems that maintain bookings and such.  But all programming shares some common ground (that being that very few things are as simple as people assume they are), and I'm confident there is a lot more to it than you assume.  I don't pretend that I've ever even attempted to begin to figure out what is involved in moving 750 little planes around a 250,000 square mile virtual world and keeping track of what dies and what doesn't and making sure that all the other little 750 guys see what they are supposed to.  You're the one that claimed it was gonna be easy,... So put up, chump.

If you read back you'll see all I said was that I think its wasted effort as similar vehicles exist... You're the one who came in saying whats hard and whats easy so I assumed you know something about it.

My point wasn't about what I know or what I don't... My point was more like this....How much is too much?  I mean considering the a VERY similar vehicle already exists?  Would you pay a programmer 80 hours?  160?  40?  Whats it really worth when a similar vehicle already exists?  

Keep in mind, skilled programmers aren't exactly minimum wage....

How much will players really use it?  I mean after the first two weeks of 'Golly, look a new boat!!'  After that?  After that its a hanger queen... The PT is primarily a hanger queen.. The only reason most people take it out at all is to get a 'vs objects' percentage in vehicles.  Its not like we see frequent P.T. raids against carriers.

So how much money would it be wise for HTC to spend on this?  My vote... Zero.

So right about now you're getting ready to type... "HT codes his own game man, it doesn't cost anything..."... Yeah, whatever... HT Takes home a check.  HT can spend his time on this boat, or on any one of six trillion other things.  So yes, it does cost...

Sorry for the assumption that you could be smart, I see you are clearly offended.
Title: German E boat
Post by: SuperDud on April 25, 2006, 03:42:08 AM
Kurt I think you've been working to hard.
Title: German E boat
Post by: Kurt on April 25, 2006, 08:22:44 AM
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Kurt I think you've been working to hard.


Perhaps...
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Post by: Saxman on April 25, 2006, 10:12:37 AM
Part of the problem for the PTs is that there's not exactly a wealthy of historical targets. Maybe if they added more convoys than just the barges as part of a fixed strat system.
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Post by: Brenjen on April 25, 2006, 11:07:42 AM
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Originally posted by Saxman
Part of the problem for the PTs is that there's not exactly a wealthy of historical targets. Maybe if they added more convoys than just the barges as part of a fixed strat system.


 Agreed. You need to look at the historical uses & targets of PT's & E-boats to see if they will get much use. I think we can all agree that the more realism & immersion in this make believe world the better, but as Kurt pointed out there are only so many hours in the day. I wish I was a programmer! I'd be slinging new rides @ Hi-Tech for free use of their service like a waffle house cook slingin' hashbrowns! They'd be spending all there free time culling my submissions :D
Title: German E boat
Post by: Martyn on April 28, 2006, 01:19:52 PM
Vospers were used to pick up RAF pilots - maybe the PTs could be used to 'rescue' downed pilots and return them to their CV or port (to collect perks).
Title: German E boat
Post by: Furball on April 29, 2006, 01:08:43 PM
:rofl

funny how a thread on fishing boats turns into a girly handbag fight.