Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: nark on April 23, 2006, 06:17:28 AM
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This thing bumps and flops on the runway and no matter what i do I can never stick a 190 landing...anyone have a clue how to touch down cleanly. Its tough when the field is hot to get this thing settled down.
so last night I fly a p47 and was so amazed at the landing characteristics, I couldnt believe when I was actually down on the tarmac..on another sortie I landed one on a cv. This plane hits the runway and stays on it-as does the p51.
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I'm not suprised the P47 is easy to land. The real miracle is that it is able to get off the ground in the first place. :)
Bozon
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The 190 needs to be landed in a 3-point attitude. You basically need to almost stall it over the runway (with flaps out).
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yeah, it's fairly easy, just get nice and slow, stick the flaps out, and really flare before you touch down. try to land at just over 100 mph, with the tailwheel hitting the ground when the main wheels do. should stop the bouncing :)
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FW-190 has a high landing speed and that's why is bouncing. You can't land at 75 Mph like in the jug.
But you can always let the gear up and have a nice slide on the tarmac.:D
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3 point or the usual " look ma' ,I can land gear up".
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Originally posted by bozon
I'm not suprised the P47 is easy to land. The real miracle is that it is able to get off the ground in the first place. :)
Bozon
:rofl
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Originally posted by Pooface
yeah, it's fairly easy, just get nice and slow, stick the flaps out, and really flare before you touch down. try to land at just over 100 mph, with the tailwheel hitting the ground when the main wheels do. should stop the bouncing :)
Yes, Pooface, its about as easy as getting 10 Kills landed in a HMk1 in the Main Arena.....
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So you do it three times a day? :D
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Yes, Pooface, its about as easy as getting 10 Kills landed in a HMk1 in the Main Arena.....
:D :p
no, this really isnt that hard, just touch down slow. also, depends on the 190 variant, it's easiest in the a5:aok make sure your flaps are down, and really try stall it onto the concrete.
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Originally posted by Treize69
So you do it three times a day? :D
No. The best ive ever managed is land 6. Once. Pure luck. Its f***** hard. 10 is WAY out of my league. But then im not really a survivor anyway. I love desperate and against all odds situations too much to land a lot :).
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Thing is the LW didn't have the USAAF secret weapon of Vectored thrust,that's why planes like the P-47 and P-51 can land on CVs in AH with easy.
But you get used to it, you just have to be better and that's not a hard thing to do.
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It's easy to land 190s.
The only real problem is the Ta152, which flies nothing like the other 190s, with its glass landing gears and high probability of ground-looping during take-offs and landings.
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You get to land a 190? Where the hell do you fly? I fly it on MA and I do not need to "land" it, it's more like lawn darting -and it doesn't bounce a single time...
:p
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Hit the breaks before touch down.
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On all rides I pull up the flaps just before touchdown. It will greatly reduce the bounce on just about all planes. The only time I don't use this method is on carrier landings for obvious reasons < hook >.
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Don't worry you just have to deal with it or fly the perfect rides of the USA which have no flaws whatsoever. :aok
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Bah glasses you're insane. I'd take a 190 over a p51 any day! 2.7 fixed a major problem with the game code so far -- how it flows across surfaces. Now that that's fixed, 109s and 190s aren't handicapped like some might think, or some have claimed in the past.
They are in fact quite competitve (okay, they were already, they are "more so" now) and while the US planes are still awfully damn good, I think that a 109/190 can still get you your kills and get you home more often than not.
Unless you suck, like me, then it's "not".
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They have performance but they suck at everything else since they perfrom the same form SL to 30k, ie unstable stall worthy uncontrolable plane of death traps.
1. Low visibility(exagerated cockpit bars.
2. random dispersion even when firing at convergence and close range >200y.
3. Major E bleed when even making slight control corrections.
4. Very high accelerated stall (even at 350mph 190s and 109s stall while only pulling 5gs at altitudes below 20k)
5. Since these planes perform best above 250mph leaves us with the complete lack of contorl below these speeds, for example a 109 to pull the same radii as an F4u or a P-51 has to pull twice as many Gs, while a heavier aircraft with lower thrust to weight >20k ft has only to pull 2gs to make the same turning radii, there's some thing wrong there. (Wonder why in mock fights the F-16s were able to out turn the F-15s below 20k and above that the F-15 made a diference, having a thicker wing and two engines compared to the stubby wings of the F-16 that are great for lower altitudes but up high not so much.,9this is a modern day example of what happens when even though the F-15 is higher the high altitude performance is better, but the F-16 takes it down low because of its weight and relative size.) Yet in AH they the 109/190 perform the same with lack of control from SL up to 25k, there's no difference.
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I disagree. 190 and 109 do not fly the same, nor have I experienced the 350mph accelerated stall you mention. Perhaps your controls are set too sensitive, and it's insta-stalling from too much input? I don't know.
However I've been fast in both planes and pulled massive Gs in both planes and never had that problem. In fact I think they're more stable now than they've ever been (that instability bug was around since AH2 came out).
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Hi,
the lift of the FW190A´s dont seems to increase in the right relation with the speed and the other way around. With to few lift with increasing speed, a unnormal high AoA is needed to get the wanted turn at higher speed. This lead to early stalls and much E-bleed at same time(i guess the indueced drag is linked to the AoA).
This also would explain why the 190´s perform not that bad while a slowspeed right/left stall fight despite its high wingload.
It also explain why the plane still have so much lift after touch down even with only 110mph.
Anyway, the FW190A8 touch down can be smooth like babyskin, no matter if you use flaps or not.
Withoutflaps, keep the speed at 110mph and a little bit power to minimize the acceleration with this high AoA, power to zero close above the runway. Resulting you will get almost a "3 wheel touchdown".
With full flaps you need to do the same but with 100mph.
1-2 very little hops are the result.
Its not that a big deal to land the 190A8 on a CV, to get it off the deck with 100% fuel is a 'bit' more hard.
Greetings, Knegel
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Only problem I have landing the 190 is slowing the beast down ... since flaps don't deploy at higher speeds.
The 109's are very dangerous now ... I went into the TA for an evening and was amazed at what they could do now that HT did that Coad Thing. Yeah, they can't handle Ludicrous Speed like a Pony, but so what? Only thing I don't like about the 109's is the cockpit framing - and I have way more trouble landing 109's with their gear arrangement.
The 190's have no problem at high speed that I can see. I've flown 'em all since the update (except the Ta ... which still sucks snot through a straw) and they are very, very happy working the vertical. The 190 is pretty defenseless once it gets slow, a P51 is more capable in that regard. But for making high speed attacks the 190's roll rate gives it an edge over anything ... you can flick it over and switch targets with ease.
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glasses i turnfight decent pilots in 109s and 190s, and i win. there is nothing wrong with it. you're starting to annoy people with your silly 'luftwaffe is porked' whines.
put a sock in it:aok
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Only problem I have landing the 190 is slowing the beast down ... since flaps don't deploy at higher speeds.
The 109's are very dangerous now ... I went into the TA for an evening and was amazed at what they could do now that HT did that Coad Thing. Yeah, they can't handle Ludicrous Speed like a Pony, but so what? Only thing I don't like about the 109's is the cockpit framing - and I have way more trouble landing 109's with their gear arrangement.
The 190's have no problem at high speed that I can see. I've flown 'em all since the update (except the Ta ... which still sucks snot through a straw) and they are very, very happy working the vertical. The 190 is pretty defenseless once it gets slow, a P51 is more capable in that regard. But for making high speed attacks the 190's roll rate gives it an edge over anything ... you can flick it over and switch targets with ease.
Radical s turns, chop throttle, nose up, nose down, pancake. :D
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Originally posted by Pooface
glasses i turnfight decent pilots in 109s and 190s, and i win. there is nothing wrong with it. you're starting to annoy people with your silly 'luftwaffe is porked' whines.
put a sock in it:aok
Like that's hard to do in an RAF plane . Might as well put 3 more engines in them and call them a 747. :D
It's really undermodeled or it's the other way around.
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Originally posted by Arlo
Radical s turns, chop throttle, nose up, nose down, pancake. :D
You mean landing the 190? Yeah ... that and shearing off the landing gear trying to slow down to get into the pattern.
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Makes landing an F4U on a carrier seem rather nice, eh? :D
(http://www.west.net/~graywolf/photos/landing.jpg)
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Is Glasses actually capable of making a post that is not a "Luftwaffe is porked" post? I can't recall ever seeing one.
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Well it is porked and has been porked from quite a while Karnak :D
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The Ah flight model of the landings is a little without life, no actual plane hits the runway and just sticks like the ones in AH do. Hardly ever happens.
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the planes i fly do
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on approach get your air speed down to 200mph.. full flaps by the time your just over the runway and use throttle to keep enough speed to not stall, also trim elevators slightly down while gently nosing down. right before touchdown apply full brakes and hold them, and kill the engine so you don't have to worry about the aircraft kicking to the left or right from engine torque.
Pretty much how i land everything, everywhere. I found that by killing the engine just before touchdown, it also make time the to stop much shorter.
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THE REAL REASON IS THAT THE LW PLANES WERNT USED TO LANDING SMOOTHLY THEY WERE MORE USED TO SKIPPING ACROSS THE RUNWAY BECAUSE THE GEAR WAS TOO SHOT UP TO LET DOWN OR WELL LETS FACE IT THEY WERE MORE USED TO CRASHING DUE TO AMERICAN FIGHTERS RIPPING THEM APPART LOL:O :aok :noid
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
The Ah flight model of the landings is a little without life, no actual plane hits the runway and just sticks like the ones in AH do. Hardly ever happens.
Strange, I must be flying toyplanes then...