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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: humble on April 23, 2006, 03:54:35 PM
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I'm having ongoing issues with tremendous spiking in my variance....
ping plot shows connect in the 85-87 range with no packet loss....
I loaded FS autostart and have whittle proccess to 21....cpu usage shows zero and system resources appear to be excellent. I bypassed my Dlin wireless router and am plugged directly into my DSL modem (do I need to trouble shoot that?)....
I'm clueless on where to look at the moment....
current ping plotter trace....
Host Information
1,,-
2,phnx-dsl-gw05-197.phnx.qwest.net,67.40.227.197
3,phnx-agw1.inet.qwest.net,67.40.227.93
4,tmp-core-01.inet.qwest.net,205.171.129.29
5,svx-core-02.inet.qwest.net,67.14.1.58
6,svx-edge-02.inet.qwest.net,205.171.214.130
7, -------------- ,67.131.255.42
8, -------------- ,216.140.3.65
9,so-7-0-0.c1.hywr.broadwing.net,216.140.0.69
10,so-2-0-0.a1.lsan.broadwing.net,216.140.0.78
11,P3-1.a0.lsan.broadwing.net,216.140.0.106
12,brw.gw.powerpulse,67.98.235.58
13,pos1-0.core02.las.oc48a.switch2switch.com,66.209.64.218
14, -------------- ,66.209.64.186
15,marchex.demarc.switch2switch.com,66.209.87.202
16,bwvip4.las.marchex.com,66.116.109.62
Sample Information
"4/23/2006 1:50:11 PM",*,53,54,75,77,70,71,74,N/A,84,86,91,85,88,87,85
"4/23/2006 1:50:26 PM",*,53,55,54,71,73,71,73,N/A,85,84,90,84,85,84,85
"4/23/2006 1:50:41 PM",*,53,53,53,84,69,72,76,N/A,N/A,83,92,85,87,87,90
"4/23/2006 1:50:56 PM",*,54,53,52,73,71,71,73,N/A,N/A,84,93,84,85,84,85
"4/23/2006 1:51:11 PM",*,51,52,53,70,71,72,85,N/A,N/A,85,92,86,86,85,86
"4/23/2006 1:51:26 PM",*,52,53,52,72,72,71,75,N/A,84,84,89,84,87,84,85
"4/23/2006 1:51:41 PM",*,53,52,53,70,69,72,75,N/A,N/A,85,90,86,86,85,86
"4/23/2006 1:51:56 PM",*,52,53,54,71,70,213,80,N/A,N/A,84,91,83,85,86,85
"4/23/2006 1:52:11 PM",*,53,56,53,72,72,72,89,N/A,N/A,87,90,85,84,85,84
"4/23/2006 1:52:26 PM",*,52,51,54,71,70,71,73,74,N/A,83,90,87,86,86,84
"4/23/2006 1:52:41 PM",*,53,54,55,72,71,70,80,75,83,85,92,85,86,87,84
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now get back behind your routor and see if its close to the same.
This will troubleshot ur routor .. and its safer btw
then run with xp's stupid firewall off and av off see if it changes anything
(only if behind routor so ur safe )
We're here for ya man .... we'll go from there .
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turned off zone alarm (windows FW already off)....
Host Information
1, -------------- ,192.168.0.1
2,,-
3,phnx-dsl-gw05-197.phnx.qwest.net,67.40.227.197
4,phnx-agw1.inet.qwest.net,67.40.227.93
5,tmp-core-01.inet.qwest.net,205.171.129.29
6,svx-core-02.inet.qwest.net,67.14.1.58
7,svx-edge-02.inet.qwest.net,205.171.214.130
8, -------------- ,67.131.255.42
9, -------------- ,216.140.3.65
10,so-7-0-0.c1.hywr.broadwing.net,216.140.0.69
11,so-2-0-0.a1.lsan.broadwing.net,216.140.0.78
12,P3-1.a0.lsan.broadwing.net,216.140.0.106
13,brw.gw.powerpulse,67.98.235.58
14,pos1-0.core02.las.oc48a.switch2switch.com,66.209.64.218
15, -------------- ,66.209.64.186
16,marchex.demarc.switch2switch.com,66.209.87.202
17,bwvip4.las.marchex.com,66.116.109.62
Sample Information
"4/23/2006 4:58:09 PM",0,*,53,63,54,71,73,161,82,79,86,83,99,88,89,92,96
"4/23/2006 4:58:24 PM",0,*,54,54,54,71,72,72,73,76,84,84,90,85,86,85,86
"4/23/2006 4:58:39 PM",0,*,51,54,51,75,73,71,74,77,83,90,91,85,87,85,85
"4/23/2006 4:58:54 PM",0,*,53,53,54,72,72,70,75,N/A,N/A,86,91,87,86,85,86
"4/23/2006 4:59:09 PM",0,*,54,53,54,71,74,111,105,N/A,N/A,86,93,108,85,84,93
"4/23/2006 4:59:24 PM",0,*,55,53,63,70,72,72,74,N/A,N/A,84,91,85,86,85,84
"4/23/2006 4:59:39 PM",0,*,52,53,54,74,72,73,75,N/A,N/A,85,90,85,89,87,85
"4/23/2006 4:59:54 PM",0,*,52,51,54,72,71,76,73,N/A,N/A,84,91,84,*,86,84
"4/23/2006 5:00:09 PM",0,*,57,54,53,73,71,73,72,N/A,N/A,92,92,91,86,84,85
"4/23/2006 5:00:24 PM",0,*,55,53,52,73,76,71,75,N/A,N/A,84,91,86,91,84,85
"4/23/2006 5:00:39 PM",0,*,53,52,53,72,73,72,82,75,84,85,92,87,86,89,84
"4/23/2006 5:00:54 PM",0,*,52,52,59,71,72,91,157,120,N/A,83,92,86,86,104,85
showed some packet loss at hop 15 (7% or so)....
spiking all over.....
Sorry for dumb question but what is av?
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I fired up my old box (son has it) and basically have a flat line so the issue isnt in the connection. It's somewhere in this box, could it be a PS problem?
Othere thought is its a sound issue...will put in a sound card 1st....what other likely possibilities are their?
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Do both computers use an onboard LAN? If you plug the computer in and get a flaky connection, I'd suspect either the driver for the LAN or maybe a hardware problem with it. Do you have a plug-in network card you could try on the computer with the problems? Have you tried updating the drivers for the motherboard and components?
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right now I have both on wireless, router has latest firmware and this box has a matching Dlink card thats there latest and greatest....will double check on firmware for card....other box has an SMC wireless card and runs flawlessly....easy to put a nic in and check however....
I'm down to 21 processes and will check the others just in case theres something i'm missing. Just loaded up my turtlebeach SC and no help:(....
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make sure it aint a heat issue, open your case and point a fan into it ..
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DO you see anything in offline mode? With AH running , alt tab out and open taskmanager , take a look at the proccess list , in the view option, turn the update time up to high . Now look to see if any process is hitting the cpu at all . U might have already done this , or it could be network related , just tossin out an idea
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Originally posted by 38ruk
DO you see anything in offline mode? With AH running , alt tab out and open taskmanager , take a look at the proccess list , in the view option, turn the update time up to high . Now look to see if any process is hitting the cpu at all . U might have already done this , or it could be network related , just tossin out an idea 38
doesnt show anything else running all accept AH....cpu utilization on AH ia 97-100%....nothing else shows over 3-5 min of viewing time accept taskmanager got a % or 2 and explorer when I had this window in background got 2% for a sec...
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Originally posted by Eagler
make sure it aint a heat issue, open your case and point a fan into it ..
System seems to be running very cool, but I cant find a cpu temp man I can access....
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you can restart hold del key and check in the systems bios for temps if you dont have a "probe " type temp monitor program . also check your voltages too in the same way .
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
you can restart hold del key and check in the systems bios for temps if you dont have a "probe " type temp monitor program . also check your voltages too in the same way .
I ran the dianostics program the box came with (soso) and it did give me the MB ASUS amberine M. I googled it and found speedfan works with it so I downloaded it....
I'm not familiar with speedfan but it shows me 4 temps
CPU 43/44C
ambient 44C
Remote 58 (under AH goes to 72-74C)
HD0 41C
Temp1 40C
The box seems remarkably cool...air from CPU fan is very cool....no clue where the "remote" sensor is.....will try your suggestion as well
speedfan also reports voltages...
5V+ 0
Vcpu 1.12
Vcc 3.32
5V 5.12
12V 12.3
3V 3.33
Vbat 0.0
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Remote 58 (under AH goes to 72-74C)
that one i dont under stand i wonder what its monitoring is it a 64 bit cpu with a cooling bridge ? if its a amd cpu 72c is too hot for cpu .
the rest look good
in voltages these look ok
Vcpu 1.12
Vcc 3.32
5V 5.12
12V 12.3
3V 3.33
the bat at 0 must be non read part i think .
im gonna step out and suggest a monitor swap with your old gamer disregard if on same monitor ... and start digging in the dxdiag file for clues .. post it up or email it to Skuzzy ... (scratches head still)
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is this a dual-core system? So far AH and dual-cores havn't played nice with each other. Just another thought thrown in.
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What video settings are you using in the game, and how much system RAM does your computer have, and what video card are you using?
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I'm curious as well wht that "remote" sensor is monitoring....the CPU shows at 43/44 with no real increase under load....the remote is in the 58 range at idle and goes to 70+....
58 is way to hot for a CPU at idle....could it be temp on the southbrige chipset?
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
What video settings are you using in the game, and how much system RAM does your computer have, and what video card are you using?
1280 x 1024
256mg textures
loaded in sys mem & on card
skins not loaded
hardware vertex on both optimize boxs checked as well
1 gig PC3200
7900GT (driver # 8.3.9.1)
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Quick lets beat Humble and drag his dxdiag outta him :D
Goto start /run / dxdiag <--- type that in save file when done and either email it to Skuzzy or post it here (ussually the 1st 1/3 of the file is enough )
you can edit ur pc's name out if ya want to ..
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this is the one I ran yesterday with the onboard sound.....
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System Information
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Time of this report: 4/22/2006, 08:52:49
Machine name: DAVESBOX
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Compaq Presario 061
System Model: EL445AA-ABA SR1750NX NA650
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Page File: 310MB used, 2053MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode
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DxDiag Notes
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DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found. DirectDraw test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 7 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 8 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 9 test results: All tests were successful.
Sound Tab 1: DirectSound test results: All tests were successful.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.
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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 7900 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0291&SUBSYS_22111682&REV_A1
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.8391 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 3/9/2006 22:38:38, 3960064 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 3/9/2006 22:38:40, 3642784 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-41D1-11CF-F555-1B0200C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0291
SubSys ID: 0x22111682
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalSt retch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: All tests were successful.
D3D7 Test Result: All tests were successful.
D3D8 Test Result: All tests were successful.
D3D9 Test Result: All tests were successful.
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Sound Devices
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Description: Realtek AC97 Audio
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4370&SUBSYS_2A27103C&REV_02
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: ALCXWDM.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5910 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 8/29/2005 15:11:00, 3644928 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Full
Cap Flags: 0x0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: Yes, Yes
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
Registry: OK
Sound Test Result: All tests were successful.
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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: Realtek AC97 Audio
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: ALCXWDM.SYS
Driver Version: 5.10.0000.5910 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 8/29/2005 15:11:00, 3644928 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x0
Format Flags: 0x0
do you need more????
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BTW this is the spec sheet for the MB
A8AE-LE (http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?dlc=en&lc=en&product=1822601&cc=us&docname=c00496280)
There is a passive heatsink for the ATI RS482 CS....i'm guessing thats whre the remote sensor is. The heatsink on the CPU looks to be pretty good....
CPU fan/heatsink (http://www.taisol.com/CEK806181A3.html)
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totally unrelated to the topic on hand, but you don't have your moniters INF files installed (where it says "plug and play moniter" it should say "phillips 107s" or whatever model moniter yours is). i forgot where i heard about it, but having the proper moniter drives does something good.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
totally unrelated to the topic on hand, but you don't have your moniters INF files installed (where it says "plug and play moniter" it should say "phillips 107s" or whatever model moniter yours is). i forgot where i heard about it, but having the proper moniter drives does something good.
Identifies my LCD as a Sceptre X9 (which is correct) in device manager...but shows as a P&P in the diagnostics above...
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hmmm thats weird, never seen that before.
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Been doing a bit of amature diagnostics....I unloaded mt saitek software and unplugged my peddle and JS...if I load AH I get the couple of normal spikes and then stuff flattens out pretty well....now if I use the numbad to alter view I get an immediate spike that settles when I release view back to default???
the video card works great with no studders or problems and benchmarks fine??? But I repaeted this enough times to know its not a fluke....will reload JS and see if I get same thing looking around...
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Same result, the spiking seems to be related to the "views"....guess I'll experiment with different drivers...any known conflicts between the onboard ATI graphics and the Nvidia cards???
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reload ah .. run at defalts set up at 512 .
dont preload anything .
now lets see what it does .
Also you may need to drop your video screen size down and increase hz ..
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz) <--- 60hz sux bigtime
I cant play unless i see 72hz or better
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
Also you may need to drop your video screen size down and increase hz ..
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz) <--- 60hz sux bigtime
I cant play unless i see 72hz or better
he's on an LCD..
Identifies my LCD as a Sceptre X9 (which is correct) in device manager...
so there isn't that "flicker" from a CRT @ 60hz
EDIT> dumb question... is your keyboard a USB? is it directly into the back of the PC or into an external USB hub? i was running my JS into a hub, and the game was unplayable, as the input was not at the same time as i moved the stick... something to do with the hub. also, is it a wireless keyboard? what happens with a normal keyboard pressing a view key?
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I found a external powered usb hub stabilized my X45
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regular mouse and keyboard
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
reload ah .. run at defalts set up at 512 .
dont preload anything .
now lets see what it does .
Also you may need to drop your video screen size down and increase hz ..
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz) <--- 60hz sux bigtime
I cant play unless i see 72hz or better
I deleted AH using the add/delete program feature in control panel and when I reload AH it restores my settings...so it comes up with old settings and passwords etc....
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scratches head ...
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Originally posted by humble
1280 x 1024
256mg textures
loaded in sys mem & on card
skins not loaded
hardware vertex on both optimize boxs checked as well
1 gig PC3200
7900GT (driver # 8.3.9.1)
Do not preload into video memery. Should take care of the problem.
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Still fighting this thing:(.
I took out the 7900GT and reloaded the onboard video....ran smooth as silk online (obviously very soso performance). Replaced PS with a 500W with 28A on the 12V line and reloaded (84.21 drivers)....back to a varience line that looks like an EKG:(....used 128 tex and default to 1024 and maxed left with no difference in varience?
Obviously some type of an issue with card and system....curious if known issues with the new onboard ATI 200 and Nvidia cards??
Any thoughts on next step appreciated....ahte to have to play it with onboard VC till I build a new box out:(
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Actually humble, try using one of the 82.xx series of drivers. It appears NVidia has whacked thier memory management in the 84.xx series, among other things.
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will do.....any recommended omega drivers??
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Finally got everything resolved. System is rocksolid at 1024 tex with max detail framerates locked at 60 (about 180 with v sync off) and varience is totally flatline. Was a combination of "little stuff"...
Drivers for 7900GT
"old" Nvidia driver remaints....
"old" ATI driver remaints from on board video
"old" zonealarm firewall registry "ghost"
What I have found out is as follows....
Biggest issue is actually cleanup....and this was a new system...I actually had 5 partial drivers (ATI alone) left AFTER using multiple 3rp party cleanup utilities as well as 1 Nvidia (highly recommend NFR (nasty file remover))...
Posted driver for Nvidia in hardware/software section. Best I found by far....50% increase in FR over omegas with great detail....and this is without running autostart so I have all 55 proccess running...