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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Staga on October 16, 2000, 05:00:00 PM
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Here's a realplayer video (http://www.gsiklubben.com/home_e.html) how Lotus (Opel) Omega 3,6 TwinTurbo humiliates police's Saab 9000 Turbo in Sweden.
IMHO public roads are not for race but that 377hp Omega is really "Uber" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Staga,
How enthusiastic would you have been if that idiot had killed someone with that stunt? Driving in that manner is beyond reckless. It was endangering all the lives of those who were on the road with that idiot. All it would take is one small mistake, a failed tire or another car pulling out into the roadway for someone to have died.
In Arizona, fleeing from a police vehicle is a felony. That means no less than a year in the state prison minimum if there are no injuries in the chase.
Damn stupid thing to do. I could think of more appropriate words to describe it but they would not be good to post on an open bbs.
Mav
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...and still I've seen many car chase films from US, which surely encourages someones to do it, even if they see them crash into something.. they go "hey thats cool, but that guy was soo stupid when he went out like that, i'll never would do that mistake and I won't.. here i gooo"
It seems like national (international?) entertainment by US to me...
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Maverick, IIRC you are a cop, right?. Your point of view is that of a policeman, and is right. That guy was endangering other men's life.
But, apart that fishu's right in his remarks that the most car chases seen in films are from America, remember that there are a lot of car chases in TV news.
Most of them are from US,and the times that a car is running so fast is that the driver has something serious to hide...a robbery, drugs, whatever. So I think that the year on the jail because the car chase won't be so important for the driver than the other felonies he surely has commited. In fact, seen from the moron's point of view for sure is worth to risk the extra year in jail to try avoiding the 15 years for Drug trade.
Anyway, I am sure that Staga posted it as a spectacular chase involving two impressive cars, a Saab9000 (I LOVE SAABS!), and a 380CV Lotus, not as a "look, this guy running from the police is kewl" thing.
The film is spectacular indeed and worth to be seen,regardless that the stupid in the Lotus is a moron that deserves some time in a jail to make him think about road chases.
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-17-2000).]
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Oh well... my point was more that they're selling those videos for entertainment with some cheap notes "this is very dangerous and might cost lifes" (and who would really even listen to that when is already immune for everytime repeating sentence?)
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Heh the very same thing but just with a "positive" (and thus acceptable) spin are those silly "hot pursuits by police" programs I've seen, most made in the US with footage from primarily the US but also from all over the world.
It's the same fascination and drive that makes us watch these things. Just like we cannot hep but look as we pass the site of an accident, we find such films fascinating.
That police vehicle was doing over 205km/h. The police do it for a living, as a service to the people, to help, not cause damage. It's quite dangerous. I respect the people for that, and have little respect for people who needlessly endanger my life by going 250km/h.
Good driving, but the margins of error are so small...
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[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 10-17-2000).]
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How stupid is the pig chasing him?
They should be brought up on charges instigating high-speed chases.
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Originally posted by blur:
How stupid is the pig chasing him?
Nothing. It's the policeman's duty to stop law offenders. sometimes it may be risky, but would you want the robber of a shop of your property to escape because the policeman didnt want to drive over 55mph?.
And anyway I am sure that the Policeman wasn't having too much fun, believe me. I can't say the same about the stupid on the Lotus.
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Blur you are all class...
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Originally posted by RAM:
Nothing. It's the policeman's duty to stop law offenders. sometimes it may be risky, but would you want the robber of a shop of your property to escape because the policeman didnt want to drive over 55mph?.
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No amount of property is worth a human life.
Besides police have radios and helicopters. They should use them.
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Blur just forgets that some people wants to go fast and crazy on purpose, how do you stop those then?
By promising a freedom for them huh?
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This one looks like it's taken from some kind of American police-video (Cops?).
Crime doesn't pay (http://www.peltonen.com/tasteless/videos/smash.mpeg)
Better ?
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 10-17-2000).]
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Staga, that footage is now widely used by law enforcement agencies in the US in educating high-schoolers about the dangers of fleeing police and high speed chases.
The two individuals in the pickup, a male and a female stealing a riding mower, were both killed.
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wasn't the girl pregnant? I remember seeing that video on TV a few years ago. sad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
udie
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You really think that if someone steals something or is doint something illegal that will mean quite more than a couple of years at jail, to see that video will stop him from running away as fast as he can if a policeman asks him to stop his car?.
People in those situations only think in their own skin, and that they don't want to get caught. and they run.
And sometimes, the inevitable happens (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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There was a bad deal here in houston a few years back. There were a rash of police chases and it seemed that every one ended in the death of an innocent bistander. The worst case was when a family of 6 was killed when a police car slammed into their parked van. I think 2 of the children survived but the mom, dad and 2 of the children died.
If thier chasing somebody for murder I think it's justified to chase them, but if their chasing somebody for running a red light or even just because the person is running is another matter. Then there is the fact that if the criminals know that the cops won't chase them they will run and we will have more posible chases. Tough call, I do personaly think that public saftey is more important than catching a criminal, but where do you draw the line?
udie
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Originally posted by Udie:
There was a bad deal here in houston a few years back. There were a rash of police chases and it seemed that every one ended in the death of an innocent bistander. The worst case was when a family of 6 was killed when a police car slammed into their parked van. I think 2 of the children survived but the mom, dad and 2 of the children died.
If thier chasing somebody for murder I think it's justified to chase them, but if their chasing somebody for running a red light or even just because the person is running is another matter. Then there is the fact that if the criminals know that the cops won't chase them they will run and we will have more posible chases. Tough call, I do personaly think that public saftey is more important than catching a criminal, but where do you draw the line?
udie
Udie,
The problem is that in many cases the real reason the suspect is fleeing has yet to be determined. In other words the original crime hasn't been discovered. Many simple "traffic stops" result in the apprehension of someone who has done something far more serious than a red light. The stop and arrest of Timothy McVeigh (sp??) is a good example. He was stopped for a traffic violation while fleeing the scene of the Oklahoma bombing. I have had people flee just to avoid a ticket, for a non moving violation yet. Incredibly stupid.
Locally, once the policy was announced that chases were being suspended an increase in the number of people fleeing was noticed. In some areas of town it was a dramatic increase. As soon as the lights came on the patrol car the other vehicle just took off at high speed irregardless of traffic and passersby.
It is a tough call to make a no chase policy but it at least lets the police off the hook. They no longer have to be concerned with catching the suspect. Hopefully some other time that suspect will be caught doing something else without a vehicle.
The really sad part is the type of mentality (or lack of) that blur demonstrates. Many chases are called off and the suspect STILL crashes and hurts / kills someone. The police are sued then for not having caught the suspect before the crash. If a crash results before the chase is called off the police are sued for having "caused" the chase. This is a blatant example of projecting the blame on everyone EXCEPT the person who caused the problem to begin with. No matter which way it goes the police are, by some stretch of the imagination, held responsible for the actions of a person who is the one who caused the problem. No matter what they do, chase or no chase, they are blamed for the results.
Mav
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Originally posted by blur:
How stupid is the pig chasing him?
They should be brought up on charges instigating high-speed chases.
Blur,
There is nothing I could do or say to you that is worse than you simply being you. I hope at some point in your life you achieve the mental status of an adult. You obviously have far to go to get there. Here's a hint, it is not related to your chronological age either.
Mav
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Originally posted by Staga:
Here's a realplayer video (http://www.gsiklubben.com/home_e.html) how Lotus (Opel) Omega 3,6 TwinTurbo humiliates police's Saab 9000 Turbo in Sweden.
IMHO public roads are not for race but that 377hp Omega is really "Uber" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Now that is a automobile i haven't seen mentioned in a while.
Lotus Opel Omega.....sigh
377HP with 4 doors and room for the family and friends.
Drive it to work and go autocross racing on the weekends.
Some damn tea grannies in the U.K. tried to ban that car.
They didn't like the idea that it was that fast AND had 4 doors. A Ferrari..thats ok.. but a 4 door rocket....oh my god..it could lead to the corruption of parents !
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Originally posted by blur:
No amount of property is worth a human life.
Besides police have radios and helicopters. They should use them.
They do use them blur. There is a limit of how much money can be spent on them and how many are available to do the job. If your community does not provide the funding for a 24 / 7 helicopter patrol it won't be there most of the time. If there are few officers hired to work the areas, there won't be anyone to radio ahead to. Even road blocks are not a cure as they take time to set up and they HAVE to leave a route for the suspect to get through it if the suspect is totally set on not stopping.
Sad fact is, that once a high speed driving situation is initiated, chase or no chase, the only one who is in position to determine when it will stop is the suspect initiating the high speed.
But it's much easier to blame the police rather than the idiot who started it isn't it blur.
Mav
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Here in Portland, the police do not engage in high speed pursuits. There were too many fatalaties of police officers, other motorists, pedestrians and offenders.
Right after this became "law", a police officer decided to pull over a car that was driving "eratic". The car saw the lights come on and accelerated. The police officer did too, but backed off when he saw the car wasn't going to slow. One mile later, the police officer came across the car wrapped around a telephone pole. A high school student had stolen his dad's Thunderbird and taken his girlfriend out for a joyride. They were both killed. It just served to reinforce the law and prove that people can be stupid all on their own... no need for the police to help them out.
AKDejaVu
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Actually, the title of this thread reminds me of a joke:
A state trooper was laying in wait on I-5 when a female motorist zooms by well over the speed limit. The police officer pulls out in pursuit and catches up to her. She pulled over as soon as she saw him. She knew she'd been caught dead to rights.
Trooper: Ma'm, do you know why I pulled you over?
Motorist: I don't suppose it was to sell me a ticket to the policeman's ball?
Trooper: No Ma'm. In Oregon the State Police doesn't have balls.
The officer then blushed, closed his ticket book and walked back to his car without saying a word. He just drove off.
AKDejaVu
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Most likely an urban legend:
Officer/Deputy/Trooper pulls over speeding woman.
Officer: (sarcasticly) Where's the fire?
Woman: In my pants, would you like to put it out (wink, wink)?
Officer: No thanks, I don't put out trash fires.
Reportedly, the department set guildlines that officers were to longer greet drivers with, "Where's the fire".
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(Sorry, back to the developing topic)
North of Columbus there is a suburb that has a "no chase unless felony" policy. An officer tried to pull over a burglary suspect in an unlicensed vehicle. As a chase began, the suspect started throwing stolen items out of the car. The officer pursued and some 20 miles later, the suspect ran a red light in downtown Columbus and killed another driver.
The media jumped on the story and blamed the officer. The officer, admitting that she did not know if the suspect was a felon, stated that because of the apparent evidence and the time of day (2AM), she felt it was safe to pursue the suspect.
The suspect, who was later charged with manslaughter, check forgery, burglary, etc., stated that the only reason why he fled was becasue he *knew* that the suburb had a "no chase" policy.
The husband of the killed driver, who also blamed the officer for his wife's death, was quoted in the paper as saying, "I don't blame him for running from the police."
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The husband of the killed driver, who also blamed the officer for his wife's death, was quoted in the paper as saying, "I don't blame him for running from the police."
One you can sue and actually get money from.. the other you can sue and not get anything. I think he blamed who his lawyer told him to blame.
Good time to start in with lawyer jokes.
AKDejaVu
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Staga: Any idea where I can get a poster or sales brochure for the Lotus Opel Omega ?
Is it still being built ?
Regards,
Snoopi
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
One you can sue and actually get money from.. the other you can sue and not get anything. I think he blamed who his lawyer told him to blame.
Good time to start in with lawyer jokes.
Right on target, Dejavu. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Why do sharks never attack lawyers?
Professional courtesy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Snoopi here are couple links for you; First (http://www.netcolony.com/members/cars/html/omega.html) and Second (http://www.chriscarsite.com/stats/stats.mv?lotus+omega)
Production numbers 1991-1994 ~1100pc
Nice Link (http://www.supercars.net/index-present.html) too
[This message has been edited by Staga (edited 10-18-2000).]
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Too bad he got away. I'd have preferred to see it end with the stupid diddly going into the woods, taking himself right out of the gene pool.
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Staga:
only $50,000 U.S. ?? wow
I wonder what it is worth used ?
Why bother with the domestic stuff when you can have the ultimate "sleeper".
Makes you laugh when the call the Sunfire a performance car.
Now if Canada would make the Tran-Canada Highway like the autobahn....
Then again, the general public in north america have trouble driving in general, nevermind a real performance car.
Speed does NOT kill, driving stupid does.
(that includes driving at 200kph when the rest of the traffic is doing around 110kph. That guy was lucky he didn't kill someone. All he needed was some old lady or some "distracted" family who were not paying attention, to get in his way.)