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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Duncan Pherson on April 24, 2006, 10:48:49 AM
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Just what the subject says. Going to start back into Aces High and looking for a good plane to jump into and learn.
What do I want in a plane:
1. Turn fighter - The better turner the better - I am not patient enough for a E-fighter.
2. Would like to be able to carry a few bombs every once in awhile to drop on ground targets.
3. This is optional - My gunnery sucks. At least it used to and I don't expect it to change. I need guns with some good bang to em.
I am leaning toward a spit but not sure which one yet.
Any suggestions?
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Spit VIII might be good choice; spit IX has good turning, and a little lighter too -- bu tno ord. Seafire probably best carrier plane for your tastes.
Both have hispanos, and honestly what more do we need?:lol
Best pure turner is prob the A6M, but lights up easily, weaker guns, and slow for the MA.
If interested in something off the beaten track...the Ki-84 is a nicely balanced plane with some speed, guns, turning, and VERY deadly low speed handling when flaps get out.
You will see lots of Spit XVIs, but dont think of them as turners -- they are much better at rolling. They are often used, and usually misused, by less experienced players....and "should be considered cheating" when used by talented players.
Welcome back!
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Try the spit XVI . can carry one 500 lb and two 250 lb . this will have a reduced range.
Or try the Nikki good range can carry two 250 kg (250 kg= 500lb in game)
It has a ton of ammo but ballistics are a bit poor. Pull convergence in to about to 250 and dont fire untill they are close.
Hope this helps.
Bronk
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Spit XVI is a great plane, no doubt...but wouldnt try to use it as a pure turner. Throw in some vertical and yoiu can stay in the game, do it well and you'l get lots of kills....but in sustained turn be very careful.
I get lots of XVI kills when they try to use it as something it isnt, so dont make those mistakes and you'll be fine.
FYI --->
Smallest turn circles, from Kweassa's excellent testing post:
Type: Radius
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A6M2: 104.6m
Hurricane Mk.I: 111.0m
A6M5: 115.3m
Spitfire Mk.I: 117.3m
Hurricane Mk.IIc: 123.8m
FM-2: 128.1m
Ki-84-I-Ko: 133.2m
Spitfire Mk.IX: 134.3m
Spitfire Mk.V: 134.5m
Seafire Mk.II: 135.8m
F4F-4: 139.5m
That was pre-spit XVI, and before the added Spit VIII and the current patch -- but even so the XVI is by consensus not a top turner. After all, the wings have been clipped
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I have not much to add to those suggestions. Spits, N1k, Ki are all great planes. My fav Spit would be the Mk9.
If you dont mind being on the slow side of the planeset, dont forget about the HurricaneMk2C. Quad Hispanos, one of the best turners and two small bombs. Low ammo load though.
Another good fighter that you can load with tons of bombs is the F4U-1D. If you dont mind working the flaps, rudder and throttle a lot. Guns are cal50, easy ballistics and some fast killing ability (provided you get up close and personal.
But if you want to fly the BEST fighter in game...... get a HurricaneMk1!!!! (Sorry, i just couldnt resist ;))
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Originally posted by Schatzi
But if you want to fly the BEST fighter in game...... get a HurricaneMk1!!!! (Sorry, i just couldnt resist ;))
HEH!:D
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Try the FM-2 as well....:)
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Ki-84
Ki-61 (under used in the MA and a very nice fighter)
Hurricane IIC (be warned though its kinda slow)
Yak-9U
MC205
Mosquito VI (No, im not kidding)
Spitfire or N1K2 if you want to be like everybody else. Nothing wrong with that, but if you want to be different, try a road less traveled? You might like it.
: In regards to the Mossie, fly it only with 25 fuel and DTs in fighter mode (30 minutes flight time), and lose the tanks once you get into a serious dogfight with a single engined fighter. Stay below 15k. Get the views the way you like them, and fly it like a Spitfire. Its cannons are absolutely lethal, and it will out turn many a/c. Its also one of the best low-med alt bomber killers in the game.
One last thing, if I may. Try mastering two types. Pick one that you like, and then try out a few others untill you get a #2 ride that you like as well, perhaps one that can do some things better than ride #1.
Do some research on their loads, flap settings, and speed/climb specs. Know what it can do.
Have a >< but of patience, it will pay off.
Gluck.
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Ki61. Turns great, good guns, good climb, and has an astonishingly good climb speed (109 engine, but lighter airframe). Can stay with a P-47, at least a D, going straight down.
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Thanks all. I will first get home and get set up and try out some of these birds prob off line and let yall know what I have selected.
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Well, as an add on to the Moss idea: If you like them a bit heavier.... try the 110 C. (50% fuel, which is about 40 mins in the MA and its light enough to be considered "fighter")
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Originally posted by Simaril
Spit XVI is a great plane, no doubt...but wouldnt try to use it as a pure turner. Throw in some vertical and yoiu can stay in the game, do it well and you'l get lots of kills....but in sustained turn be very careful.
I get lots of XVI kills when they try to use it as something it isnt, so dont make those mistakes and you'll be fine.
FYI --->
Smallest turn circles, from Kweassa's excellent testing post:
Type: Radius
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A6M2: 104.6m
Hurricane Mk.I: 111.0m
A6M5: 115.3m
Spitfire Mk.I: 117.3m
Hurricane Mk.IIc: 123.8m
FM-2: 128.1m
Ki-84-I-Ko: 133.2m
Spitfire Mk.IX: 134.3m
Spitfire Mk.V: 134.5m
Seafire Mk.II: 135.8m
F4F-4: 139.5m
That was pre-spit XVI, and before the added Spit VIII and the current patch -- but even so the XVI is by consensus not a top turner. After all, the wings have been clipped
Sim i was going for a balance of air to ground , decent turning ability, and ammo loads.
Ki 84 is good but lite ammo load when you ad in ballistics.
The only plane I would add is the FM2 decent range, good ammo load. and good air to ground load out. The plus is it turns well but slow top end and acceleration.
Bronk
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La7
La7
Sorry, couldn't resist :noid
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Well, as an add on to the Moss idea: If you like them a bit heavier.... try the 110 C. (50% fuel, which is about 40 mins in the MA and its light enough to be considered "fighter")
I think the g turns almost as good as the c , but it has much better cannon.
I know that once both of these buggers are light they can really drag out a turn fight.
Bronk
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Maybe want to take a look at the F6F, good fighter, lots of ord and ammo.
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Originally posted by Schutt
Maybe want to take a look at the F6F, good fighter, lots of ord and ammo.
How does the F6F do at low alt or on the deck though?
Just wondering. I know I used to always find myself on the deck. :-(
Never was a good pilot but I had alot of fun and used to love the high I would get when I would just out manuver someone and live.
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Ive personally not much seat time in the F6, but i learned to fear it as opponent.
It has decent performance, good turn, good guns, can take LOTS of beating....... ask Greebo or Balsy about it, they are resident experts in the F6 :=)
Whats so bad about fighting OTD? You can pick a nice bunch of flowers while flying and surprise your wife when you get home :). Above 5 K the air is much to thin to fly anyway....
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F6 does very nicely, especially once you're comfortable with some reversals. Greebo can make that bird sing, so if you go that way might want to look him up.
Widewings been singing the praise of the F4U-1D, with very similar turn ability to the F6F, superior load capacity, and VERY nice low speed flapped performance.
The F4U also has the added advatage of giving some low cost perk plane with similar characteristics, the -1C and the -4. Makes transitiion from standard to perk ride fairly seamless.
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Yak9U is a great plane to learn in.
Does everything well and what it cant out turn it can out run. Makes it very easy in the begining.
No need to worry about wep.
Some claim that the low ammo is a burden for new pilots, I claim the opposite. The low ammo learns you to conserve ammo and to pic your shots.
IF you learn to kill 3 enemies in a Yak9U you will be landing 6 kills regulary when you swich to another ride. But if you fly that other ride without having been in a Yak you will not get beyond killing 2...
Tex
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Not sure this has been suggested before but...
Fly the il-2!
It turns great, carries 'a few bombs' and you pop everything with those cannons, even if your gunnery sucks
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Originally posted by frank3
Not sure this has been suggested before but...
Fly the il-2!
It turns great, carries 'a few bombs' and you pop everything with those cannons, even if your gunnery sucks
Only thing I remember about that plane is the view sucks. Is that still the case? Can't remember that well it has been awhile
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P38J....note im saying the J. :D
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try them all & find your favorite while getting to know the other guys capabilities as well
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Reminds me of a alightly modified old saying....
Ask 10 AH2 players about the best plane, and you'll get 12 answers....
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i like the F4U-1c
Ok turner(If you know how to do the flaps right)
4 20mm canons
few bombs
(Can also takeoff from carrier)
But it costs a few perkies :(
But this is only my opinion
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If you're gonna go for a perked Hog take the F4U-4. No cannon but Ma Deuce more than does her job, and 2x1000lb bombs and 8 rockets make for a nice wrecking ball. Plus you've got about the best all-around performance as you'll get from any of the prop planes.
Someone get Widewing in here to elaborate on the virtues of the 4-Hog.
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the 4hog has better performance, but im old-school.
all depends on opinion.
MG
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P38G. :aok cant go wrong with her.
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Originally posted by killnu
P38G. :aok cant go wrong with her.
I was waiting for that... :lol
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Im suprised you didn't say 109k4, traitor!:mad:
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Originally posted by mentalguy
i like the F4U-1c
Ok turner(If you know how to do the flaps right)
4 20mm canons
few bombs
(Can also takeoff from carrier)
But it costs a few perkies :(
But this is only my opinion
OK turner are you kidding?????? dude if you get flaps n gear out you can turn or even outturn a Spit 16 so that makes it a UBER turner considering its a hvy plane and everyone flys a Spit16. Pretty much.
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Originally posted by Duncan Pherson
Only thing I remember about that plane is the view sucks. Is that still the case? Can't remember that well it has been awhile
You've hit the "gamer" button on the head with this question. The IL-2 has an absolutely attrocious view as you would expect given the fact that the cockpit is surrounded by armor BUT in AH you get to use the external views in the IL (as with the buffs). That's one of the reasons you see so many upping at capped fields. They're armored and have great firepower which makes them both somewhat survivable and threatening but you also get full 360deg external views which means people fight them from outside the cockpit with excellent SA. Mind you these are the same views you cannot use with the Mossie, 110, TBM, etc. This makes (IMHO) the IL competative with Lancstukas as one of the least realistic and most "gamed" aircraft in AH.
Regarding which plane is best to start in I'm probably a bit of a contrarian and would recommend staying away from aircraft with tons of ammo (Nikki in particular) or one that's exceptionally fast. Limiting your ammo means you absolutely must learn how to shoot and not having the fastest plane means you're forced to learn when and how to engage. My favorite plane right now is the Hurricane IIC. It's slow (actually exceptionally slow) and has a very limited amount of ammo (but the guns are very good). Being slow, you have to look ahead. I'll see five or six guys chasing a 190D porking a field and instead of diving in with the pack I'll climb and just fly to where the 190 will pop for his reverse and get him there (which also gives me the chance to look for other bandits jumping the daisy chain). I also like to pick on "spitters" (those guys that get spit out of a furball) and when planning my attack make sure I have an escape route once he's dead. With a slow plane, you have to be smart to catch all the speed queens in AH. Sometimes my best offensive maneuver is to "run" and drag one guy away from the furball and then let him "catch" me and engage him one on one (which is the most fun way to fight). Limiting your ammo means you absolutely have to learn to shoot. One thing that stands out to me when flying against the best (or more notorious) sticks is not so much their maneuvering but the fact that for most of them it's one shot, one kill. While it can be frustrating, learning to both shoot well and plan your engagement will eventually make you one of the better pilots. So, for good planes look for something that can maneuver and has good guns but don't worry about "excessive" speed and ammo. FM2, Hurri, F6F, Spit V, etc., are good choices (there are more). Don't dive into the middle of a furball, don't up at a capped field, try to engage 1v1 (until you really understand your plane and gunnery), and plan your attack (and escape). Stay away from the Nikki, 190s, LA's, Spit XVI, Pony, etc., you'll just learn bad habits.
Mace
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try flying on f-3 external view. makes lead and lag turns and deflection shooting quite . . . well . . . quite different.
hap