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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LEDPIG on April 25, 2006, 12:56:13 AM
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Alright i'm finally getting used to this game, had a couple five kill nights and a seven kill night the other day. Finaly geting used to views so now i can see u guys. But the problem remains i fly P-38's almost exclusively, and other heavy iron guess thats why i'm called ledpig, but when i attack a spit and spit sees me what do i do?. I usually slash through a fight pick out unsuspecting planes and blow their brains on the dash it's gratifying. I love to rip a spits wing off with the 38's guns what a wallop. But then if spit sees me, and i've missed, spit usually gets payback. I usually try to accelerate away in a dash and then make gradual climb then steepen climb as i get farther away. One problem but spit sometimes (ususally) catches me and blows my brains out (me no likee) sometimes i think i can outclimb spit but spit spotlights me as i go up and over the top like a deer in headlights what do i do? I don't want to start flying La's and spits i want to kill spits. What's a 38 pilot to do?:O :huh
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I don't mean this as a smart *** remark but learn some ACMs. Picking unsespecting planes is fine and I enjoy it as well. But when you get caught you have to know how to fight, you can't always run away. Spend some time in the TA and learn to dogfight. Ask people in the MA to show you things also. If it's a good spit pilot, you're going to be hard pressed to beat him in a fight IF you meet coalt coE. Try to use your ability to hang on the prop and rope him. If a spit(or any plane) is on your 6, in most situations you'll end up back in the tower no matter who you are or what you are flying.
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SuperDud is right on with his advice. You cant ALWAYS avoid a fight. And while you *will* die a lot in close knife fights at first...
But imagine the gratification when someone comes zooming by, trying to pick you off, you manage to sucker him into a fight and pop him after a fw minutes of trading blows?
Mail the trainer corps at trainer@hitechcreations.com if you want to set up a session with one of them (highly recommendable), or just pop into the TA and ask for someone to show you some ACM (Be mindful that theres not always an experienced player in there, so dont be frustrated if you dont find a "perfect trainer" on first try). Also, if you ask on this board or in game, im pretty sure there will be people willing to go and fight you a few rounds - me included - to get you going.
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Well, you can't shake a Spit. That's the simple truth.
Basically, all the "ACM-yadayada" stuff presupposes the pilot behind you to be a nincompoop. Just do this, do that and the nincompoop falls for it, and you'll get your reversal and shoot him down in turn. The odds are, if somebody in a Spitfire is at least as skilled as you in the P-38, there's just no shaking him.
That's why most P-38 pilots prefer to fly in the stratosphere. Those that don't fly that high fly in hordes. Those that don't either usually end up dead.
:D :D
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Ya it's not that i don't want to dogfight i just always thought that you try to dogfight a spit in a lockheed bad move, i'm playing to my planes strenghts i.e. speed vertical performance, thats why i don't come down and try to turn and burn with you guys in a truck, a 109 different story. I get away from every other plane and reverse and kill except the spit. I don't think any real p-38 pilot would ever after having made a slashing attack in a 38 would ever stay and dogfight a zero, slash back yes which i do repeatedly thats why i bnz in the bnz plane and tnb in the tnb plane. I'm trying to avoid a fight when it's not on my terms.
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Even if you fly in B&Z plane and use B&Z tactics you must know how to turn fight in it. Otherwise you will die every time as somebody catch you (it always happens, sooner or later).
If you see you cannt outrun your pursuer - turn and fight. Even if you loose quickly if far better than die while running.
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
Ya it's not that i don't want to dogfight i just always thought that you try to dogfight a spit in a lockheed bad move ...
The plane factor is often exaggerated. It gives some advantage but pilot skill is way more important. P38 is actually a decent dogfighter.
Look for 38 films posted in the Help forum.
Bozon
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Well, you can't shake a Spit. That's the simple truth
You must be joking?
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Im with Bozon on this. 95% its the pilot.
Given roughly equal pilots, the plane and how familiar each pilot is with his ride comes into play.
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use flaps and hope the spit pilot doesnt.
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While not a pro by any means, I love the 38 too. Most spits are easy enough by roping, but that dang spit 16 is a major pain in the BEhind !!
The 38 can be flown as a TnB with the use of rudder quite well, it just takes some practice. The "G" model excels at it. Learning to fly your plane....any plane, "on the edge" is what you need to do. Know how close you can push it towards a stall and ride the edge.
Scissoring with just about any plane can get you out of trouble. The more turns you force the enemy to make to get his/her shot the more chances there are for mistakes. As long as you aren't the one making them that is :D
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Originally posted by killnu
You must be joking?
Yea thats funny. U and I can shake spits 80% of the time and kill them!
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I fly that way in scenarios and FSO ets..but in the MA I would go crazy flying careful every mission. Best advice I can give take a couple camps and fly something that turns well, and once you get good at it, you can apply those thing to other planes, for when things go bad.
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95% its the pilot.
Yes. In other words, the guy behind you has to be a nincompoop.
I'd be able to shake off a Zero in a 190 flying low and slow so long as the guy behind me is a nincompoop. However, get a more maneuverable plane with a pilot at least as good as yourself latched behind you and nothing will work. Roll, loop, flat scissors, rolling scissors, desparate jinking, +Gs, -Gs, one-trick gear dropping, flap floppin'.. etc etc. Nothing works. The guy behind just chops throttle, and matches every move and blasts you outta sky.
It's just the way things are.
:D
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Alright another thing iv'e tried to do is fight alot in the vertical slashing back and forth on planes and diving again it usually seems to wear them down and they get tired and make a mistake. I usually dogfight spit not in the horizontal but the vertical stall out and whip around and kill him, thats what i usually do close in, try to drag spit along into this long looping turning fight and blow all his e and use my low speed rudder and engine power to whip on him .I have been climbing though and looking back thinking i'm going to see spit falling, and stalling out i see spit accelerating up to me in the climb, what gives?:huh
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Im with Bozon on this. 95% its the pilot.
Given roughly equal pilots, the plane and how familiar each pilot is with his ride comes into play.
I'm with Kweassa.. its the plane.
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lol, kweassa, I ran into you a few times about 2 weeks ago in the MA, I wasn't too impressed with your flying. You died twice, and got me once when 3 other guys were dogpiling me.
I don't think your up to par to give any advice on 38, period. ;)
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I've flown the P38 once.
Great plane.
LEDPIG, if ya need a sparring partner in the DA, let me know, I can try to help ya.
Same offer goes to you Lazerr.
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You're not the only one to see Spits do some ludicrous things. A couple months back I was in a diving merge against a Spit 16 at about 400+ mph in an F4U, and I pull up into a zoom climb to dodge the HO and stay above him. I look back to pick him up for my reversal and the guy is sitting d600 off my six, climbing up and GAINING on me. And I'm STILL going around 350-400. What the farking hell?!
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Basically, Ledpig, like others said, you've just got to go out there and take your lumps. Push yourself to get the most out of that plane you can. You're going to die trying this, more often then not, probably for your entire online career. But, you will get better, stay alive longer, take more of em down with you, and have more fun.
The only real chance you have, assuming you're on the deck and pilot skills are equal, is some sort of scissors combo to try and make him overshoot. But really, with the hispanos on that Spitty, and the huge target of the 38, it's going to take a TON of practice to be able to avoid his shots at each cross. And the 38 isn't exactly the best at scissors, either. There's alot going against you, really. But without practice, everything will be.
Basically to shake a guy on your six with a scissors (in any plane, really) you need to possess two things:
* Better instincts so you can dodge his shots; and
* Better control at looooooow speeds
But it'll take forever to develop these skills in the MA. Take Schatzi up on her offer and spend some time in the TA or DA instead.
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Originally posted by Saxman
You're not the only one to see Spits do some ludicrous things. A couple months back I was in a diving merge against a Spit 16 at about 400+ mph in an F4U, and I pull up into a zoom climb to dodge the HO and stay above him. I look back to pick him up for my reversal and the guy is sitting d600 off my six, climbing up and GAINING on me. And I'm STILL going around 350-400. What the farking hell?!
It was a Spit 16 ... that explains part of it ... it climbs like a scaled monkey, especially when it has some E too.
The other part ... If it was a good Spit pilot (or just a good pilot), you probably pulled too soon enabling the Spit to easily follow your zoom ... I see it all the time and I am sure they are saying ... WTF.
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Anytime a P-38 gets a good Spitty stick on their 6 ... 99.9% of the time its all over for the P-38. Object is to not let the Spitty get on your 6.
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lol, kweassa, I ran into you a few times about 2 weeks ago in the MA, I wasn't too impressed with your flying. You died twice, and got me once when 3 other guys were dogpiling me.
I don't think your up to par to give any advice on 38, period.
Who says I'm giving an advice on the P-38s?
I'm just stating the obvious, which the "vets" so often pretend to not notice. Basically the "ACM" bit is bullshi*. Or rather, every emphasis on individual fighting and combat maneuvering simply has a hidden pretense requiring the pilot behind you to be much inferior than yourself. People just love to emphasize the "ACM" bit and leave the "inferior pilot" bit out, as if it doesn't exist.
Put a Drex or a Leviathan in a 190 with a Spitfire piloted by Slapshot behind it at 600 yards. The odds are, the moment the 190 even thinks of doing a reversal or any "ACM" the Spit's gonna close up the distance and shoot it down flat out. Put Fester's P-38 in front of Leviathan's Spitfire at 600 yards, and the moment the P-38 tries anything other than slam throttle to the max and disengage, it's gonna be shot down.
Or if you'd prefer,
put Lazer's P-38 in front of Kweassa's Spit and Lazer might be able to pull some wild shi* off and manage a fantastic reversal. However, get any of the better Spit pilots in it and then I'd bet on the Spit everytime, and actually win money.
In other words, any "ACM" against a more maneuverable enemy already latched behind you is basically semi-suicidal. The chest-thumpers of the MA make it sound as if the outcome is governed by one's own skill - but in truth, the outcome is always governed by the other guy's skill. Simply put, the MA vets horde scores by flying against average, and pathetic grade of pilots like myself. It's against guys like us that "ACM" actually works.
In the rare occasions where a vet meets another vet, the moment one vet claims the other's rear end the fight is over. No amount of "ACM" can save him. It just doesn't work.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
The chest-thumpers of the MA make it sound as if the outcome is governed by one's own skill - but in truth, the outcome is always governed by the other guy's skill.
as always, succinctly stated K. & also, what slap said too.
hap
p.s. one of the "aims" i've had in the past is to engage in such a manner that my 6 remains clear. this is probably a bad analogy but it sprung to mind. years ago i played a bit of pool. very good players are a joy to watch . . . they sink their object ball and get shape on thier next shot. with my limited skill/talent, taking runs on cons after a strat run is completed while maintining a clear 6 is part of the challenge and fun.
i suppose the very good pilots experience something similar in a very busy enviroment. that is, they achieve objectives while maintaining or working towards "advantage." then of course, (i've been shot down by this time of course), when miscalculations occur a new level of "satisfaction" occurs when against the odds, that is ensconsed disadvantageously they emerge victorious.
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No I think its just hilarious you state most 38 pilots fly in the stratosphere, when really each time you engaged you had the alt.
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Ive been thinking of learning the 38. But from what Ive seen its mainly a roper and for me thats 1 notch away from BnZ excitement. I hate being in a plane and meeting a better turning plane and knowing that if hes any good, I cant beat him in the turns. My planes usually are FM2, F4u, not some much p40e now, and once in awhile I 'll take a tempest out when I feel like just poppin a few and rtb. They really suit how I fly.
Which is normally low and slow, and looking for a turnfight. I also like fighting planes that rely on ropes and bnz, and trying to make them get impatient and over commit. I don't always get em but when I do it makes me feel good. I think you just have to have a "screw it" attitude about flyin and dyin.
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38 Pilot Asks,how Do U Get Spit Off Tail?
Ask your Ghey Dates to quit faking orgasms?
:huh
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Originally posted by AWMac
Ask your Ghey Dates to quit faking orgasms?
:huh
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!:rofl
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Originally posted by Hap
as always, succinctly stated K. & also, what slap said too.
hap
p.s. one of the "aims" i've had in the past is to engage in such a manner that my 6 remains clear. this is probably a bad analogy but it sprung to mind. years ago i played a bit of pool. very good players are a joy to watch . . . they sink their object ball and get shape on thier next shot. with my limited skill/talent, taking runs on cons after a strat run is completed while maintining a clear 6 is part of the challenge and fun.
i suppose the very good pilots experience something similar in a very busy enviroment. that is, they achieve objectives while maintaining or working towards "advantage." then of course, (i've been shot down by this time of course), when miscalculations occur a new level of "satisfaction" occurs when against the odds, that is ensconsed disadvantageously they emerge victorious.
Hap i agree with you on this i try to engage in a way to keep my six clear, i think most ww2 pilots engaged in a way that offered the least danger to them but the greatest chance of success for their shot. I to have marveled at good pool players and watched how they balance their skill while playing the risks and using it to their advantage it's part of the game to me. Good dogfighting to me is like a game of chess with each player making moves and another pilot using his wits and skill to win. Since i don't posses great turn fighting skill in the 38 i play to what i can do. But when i'm in a spit i dogfight all day either way is fun. I like to try and use actual ww2 fighting tactics in the game to get a feel for what really happened, consequently i'm glad i had eyesight problems that stop me being a pilot, i probably would have been in a body bag real quick.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Ask your Ghey Dates to quit faking orgasms?
:huh
and you call me sick :eek: :rofl :lol
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Huge Megadeth fan too by the way Mustaine. Playing metal guitar is my other favorite hobby!:aok
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cool :aok i play but really havent for a few years... need to get back into it.
how long you been playing?
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Originally posted by Mustaine
and you call me sick :eek: :rofl :lol
From a previous thread....
Looking at my wet sticky hand...."How do ya count these Bastages?"
:huh
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Well, you can't shake a Spit. That's the simple truth.
once again, you must be joking? i see no where in that statement about the pilot, just the plane.
later in another post you talk about the pilot.
People just love to emphasize the "ACM" bit and leave the "inferior pilot" bit out, as if it doesn't exist.
sorry, but i have shaken better pilots than me, ive also died to them. but to say "you cant shake a spit. thats the simple truth" is BS. one can do, do it frequently.
then its the "inferior pilot" crap. whatever. ive read enough crap on this board talking about "38 is such a big plane", "it doesnt turn", "3000 lb aircraft out manuvered by a smaller lighter bird"....yada yada yada.
when i get a 38G to out manuver a smaller lighter plane, take your pick of them, i dont give rats behind of who is flying it. and yes, ive got a few better ones, and ive had my butt handed to me by noobs.
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38's are horrible and cannot shake the worst of planes off their 6's. Especially 109's.
:D
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Originally posted by AWMac
i don't know whats scarier, that you knew how a ghey fakes an orgasm, or that you posted it :rofl :O :rofl
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LEDPIG, you did not told which p38 you are flying..
I can understand you cannot outclimb/zoom spit 16 in G, but in J and L you should do it about ez flying B&Z and staying over 10K. Spit 16 has really good climb under 10K, but that thing is "slow" if you go level in J/L. Yes, it makes you runner/escaper, but it is easiest way to get out of death against spit16;) . High speed climb(about 280-300mph) would take you out of spit easy too.
You need few more hours to learn the game and taht is it:)
Happy hunting:aok
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Originally posted by Mustaine
i don't know whats scarier, that you knew how a ghey fakes an orgasm, or that you posted it :rofl :O :rofl
What scares me is that you knew exactly what I said! And you replied to it! TWICE!!!
:confused: :O :huh
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Originally posted by AWMac
What scares me is that you knew exactly what I said! And you replied to it! TWICE!!!
:confused: :O :huh
it took me a good 1/2 hour to figure it out :rofl yes i have no life and think about AH BBS threads for something to occupy my mind when i am daydreaming.
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Originally posted by Stang
38's are horrible and cannot shake the worst of planes off their 6's. Especially 109's.
:D
I should come slap you for that one.
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anything is possible and pilots have good and bad days for sure..a few bad sortys and even great pilots get shaken..so yes you can shake a superior pilot/plane off your 6 but the point is not to let them there..i have more trouble with shaking newbs cuz they dont care about overshooting and rely on pure cannons, where as vets are usually more careful and go for the percentage shots, which gives me a small window to pull some watermelon out my bag o tricks :)
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My goal this tour was to score 20 kills in each model of the P-38. The G is a lot tougher to do that in!
The Spit 16 is the single biggest killer of me out there. They dont seem to do anything wrong, great power, climb, turn and tons of ammo.
Feel free to check my score (Kill Stats) to see what I mean about the Spit 16s mauling me LOL (Arena name is Ironchef)
Well ive got a few days left to improve in the G
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There is a reason that the La-7 and Spit and Niki are the most used planes, consistantly. The version of the Spit may change, but whichever the 'best' Spit is will be in the top 2, usage-wise.
Given equal pilot skill, one of those 3 will beat any other plane in a one v one fairly easily.
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Originally posted by LePaul
My goal this tour was to score 20 kills in each model of the P-38. The G is a lot tougher to do that in!
The Spit 16 is the single biggest killer of me out there. They dont seem to do anything wrong, great power, climb, turn and tons of ammo.
Feel free to check my score (Kill Stats) to see what I mean about the Spit 16s mauling me LOL (Arena name is Ironchef)
Well ive got a few days left to improve in the G
Least you are commited to something. Couldnt pay me to fly the 38G every sortie aka the "Stevie Wonder Special" and the L to me is just a heavier J and turns less. I keep myself in the J even though the 475th skins are more in number and look better on the L. I dont even have 10 kills in the L or 5 kills in the J.
The only real plane that is a problem to me is the spit 16 as you said above. They are a pain in the arse and being in the J or the L gives up the option to outrun them but when they dive on you it makes things a bit more complicated. It being the spit 16 and the la7 the most used planes in AH I have pretty good k/d against them especially this month being horrible on me. Have close to a 4 to 1 k/d against each plane and those 2 planes make up the most kills together with 169 kills out of 1004 kills made up by those 2 planes with the la7 having 7 more kills.
I cant really use this tour as an example as this by far is one of my worst tours so far and last tour I would use for a better example with out of 1428 scalps 250 were made up by those 2 planes and the spit 16 died more with 151 times to me. Maybe the line between the two planes are starting to even out but I definately fear the spit 16 a little more than I do the la7.
In a 38 wouldnt dare try to outturn it unless the spit 16 is a lot faster than you and wouldnt even thinking about trying to outclimb it unless he has again lot more E so he will overshoot and could get a shot at him.
I find the best thing about the spit 16 to take advantage of is that it is fragile and the shortest burst from a 38 will cause the wing to rip off or the tail to fall off.
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You just wait till our flaps are fixed!:aok
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38G driver here and I'm 27 kills vs 14 deaths to the 16 and I suck. Good pilot in the 16 will eat you up, but the average AH Joe isn't flying the 16 to it's strengths and dies just as easy as anything else.
I tend to be down and dirty in the pack too, and I tend to look for the 16s first, then the LAs, then the N1Ks.
Just don't get too slow too long. If you do that you die in a 38 now that it's been neutered a bit with the flap bug and the changes last patch.
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once again, you must be joking? i see no where in that statement about the pilot, just the plane.
later in another post you talk about the pilot.
That's because most people are similar in skill. 90% of the MA is average guys like me. An average P-38 pilot goes out and meets an average Spitfire pilot who lands smack behind him for some reason. What do you think the odds are for the P-38 in 'shaking' the Spit?
Answer: zilch.
sorry, but i have shaken better pilots than me, ive also died to them. but to say "you cant shake a spit. thats the simple truth" is BS. one can do, do it frequently.
then its the "inferior pilot" crap. whatever. ive read enough crap on this board talking about "38 is such a big plane", "it doesnt turn", "3000 lb aircraft out manuvered by a smaller lighter bird"....yada yada yada.
Every dog has his day.
But given the odds I am pretty confident to say that your 'frequently' shaking off better grade of pilots behind your P-38, is a vastly rare incident than the frequency of those better pilots simply smacking outta the sky whatever you attempt in your P-38. It's just that people don't exactly want to remember these things the way they're supposed to. Not to mention the fact that you yourself is porbably better than most of the pilots in the MA.
I mean, if the guy behind you is as good as you are, and he is in a better twisty turny plane than yours, and he knows most of your moves you're trying, and he can match them with his own, then under that circumstances how are you supposed to 'shake' him off? By magic?
I'll tell you how to shake him off - LUCK
ps) Lazer, buzz off. I've got my own version of the story about those three encounters, and they don't exactly agree with yours.
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mmm righttt
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Ok, I read the first couple posts, and skipped the rest.
Even E 38 vs spit is not the preferable situation, you got to uneven the E one way or the other. That said, not every spit you run into will have a competent pilot at the stick. I often at least take a crack at turning with a spit for a few turns to slow us both down, and seek an advantage. If I dont find one, I strategically disengage and accelerate away. (last tour 38:5 vs spit16, 8:1 spit9, 8:2 spit8)
Here are 3 from the film library with spits in tow within firing range, 2 I take the low E approach, 1 I use the 38s superior acceleration, and climb while extending to a more favorable alt.
2spits.ahf (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=20)
film062_000.ahf (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=48)
woohoo.ahf (http://479th.jasminemarie.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=41)
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My way of ditching off a Spit latched on my 6 and I can't shake is to either point my nose straight down if I got alt to work with, or pray to god I can evade his shots long enough to either extend or for a friendly to shake him off FOR me. :D
Try this, Led: One thing I've found useful to an extent against pretty much any Spit while in an F4U-1 (Seafires especially, but I've done it with moderate success against Vs and XVIs, too) is when he tries a flat break out of your guns, (which it seems to me is about the first thing most Spits try) forcing you to either try and turn with him or let him circle in behind you, pull up as soon as he's at the point where you can't stay with him (dunno how it is for a 38, but a Hog has just enough instantaneous turn to hang in for a second or two). Don't commit to an Immelman, but as your nose goes up roll until you pick up his position and then keep rolling with back-stick until you've dropped back down behind him again. I don't know that it's really so much of a true barrel roll, maybe more somewhere in between that and a high-yo. I've not done this much in 1vs1 fights but I've nailed it a couple times in larger furballs, and probably surprised the HELL outta that Spit when I drop back in on his 6. With a P-38, which has a little bit of an edge in the vertical over the early-model Corsairs, I should think that would be even more effective. Roll might give you a bit of trouble in a 38, IIRC, but rudder could help with that.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
That's because most people are similar in skill. 90% of the MA is average guys like me. An average P-38 pilot goes out and meets an average Spitfire pilot who lands smack behind him for some reason.
That is not true. There's a distribution so nobody is the "average" pilot.
If you put Urchin on my 6 he'll kill me no matter what I fly or what he flies. Urchins are rare. Even a decent but not great player like me can and does manage to reverse spits in a P47 quite often. A good measure of luck is involved too, I agree on that.
If it was only the plane and every outcome set from the word-go, there's wouldn't be much point in playing.
Bozon
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Originally posted by bozon
If it was only the plane and every outcome set from the word-go, there's wouldn't be much point in playing.
so very true.
the answer lies in thought, reaction to a situation, and being just a few steps ahead of the enemy. of course luck is never far from being a deciding factor.
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/film27.ahf
2 minute film and not what you would expect.
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That is one good move Saxman it sounds almost crazy enough that it might work, i'm gonna have to try that. Wish you had some film of that.
Wouldn't mind meeting you in the Ta and tryin that in a safe environment we might be able to increase some of those spit pilots pucker factor out there and make him go oh sh%# for a change.
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Try flying with a wingman. WWII produced ACES, but not fighter pilots. The standard order of the day was to avoid one on one engagements. To stay with the flight elements and work in pairs. A tatic that is still employed by the USAF today. I think it's Blessings "No Guts No Glory" that he wrote following WWII and during Korea, that became the training manual for the USAF on fighter tactics.
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Ya travelar i'm getting used to the teamwork in the game and learning how to use the radio. It's saved my behind and other guys behinds alot lately, its almost as important as how well you fly. Oh by the way i'm interested in your squadron and will drop by one of the squad nights to see whats goin on Thanks:aok
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I usually slash through a fight pick out unsuspecting planes and blow their brains on the dash it's gratifying.
Well just cherrypicking all your time in AH isn't going to get you any better. You want to learn how to shake a spit, fly one on the deck and see how people beat you in it.
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Answer: zilch.
wrong again. I am average at best and I can shake them in a 38G. once again, not all the time, but it can be done. considering my record vs spits(16 mostly), I shake my fair share successfully.
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Then you aren't average at best, huh?
If you can shake "most" spit 16 pilots, then "most" Spit 16 pilots are significantly worse than you are.
One could assume that the distribution of skill in the MA follows a normal distribution, so "most" pilots would be around the mean. I.E. "most" pilots are "average".
If you are killing "most" Spit 16 pilots with an inferior plane, you aren't average.
This false modesty **** gets irritating after a while.
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Quiet, p38 with the right flaps rules, period.;)
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The only way I shake a Spit16 requires hitting ENTER 3 times then "O".
:)
Sometimes they come back to shoot my chute tho. Bastids! KAAAAHHN!
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This false modesty **** gets irritating after a while.
if it was false modesty, id agree. but i honestly believe that i am average at best, sorry.
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Flew a P-51 on the deck the other night and was close in dogfighting, the spits couldn't get away from me i was gaining angles all over the place and getting all kinds of lead shots, if i wasn't such a bad shot a lot more would have gone down. What gives i didn't think a p-51 could do that, it was quite the maneaverable machine with half fuel and light ammo load, i was surprised, iv'e started using other planes and seeing what i could do, it's been some great advice you guys gave me
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Originally posted by Urchin
If you are killing "most" Spit 16 pilots with an inferior plane, you aren't average.
no, that assumes that spit 16 pilots have the same skill distribution as the rest of the population. Most spit 16 pilots are well below the overall average, so one can be average and still beat most spit 16 pilots. I'm pretty sure that the average P38 pilot is better than the average 16 pilot.
just a little technicality :p
If I'd really been an *** I'd also add something about the median and the mean - but I won't :)
Bozon
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Originally posted by killnu
if it was false modesty, id agree. but i honestly believe that i am average at best, sorry.
I agree... especially with that "at best" part.:p
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Last Tour I killed 71 spit 16's and lost to 9. All spits compined I lost to 14 and killed 102. Spit's in general are not a problem to kill, at least for me. So far the best spit pilot I have come across is Urchin. Me and him have very close fights. I win some, he wins some. In fact he probably gave me the 5 out of those 9 deaths, maybe more. Yes of course, I fly the hog but even if a spit is on my 6, they can be shaken and most quite easily. Looking at kill list it shows me dieing to hurri IIC more then I kill them, partly because I try to turn fight them with a hog (stupid I know), lol.