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Congresswoman's Son Gets Jail for Slashing Tires
MILWAUKEE (April 26) - A congresswoman's son and three Democratic campaign workers were sentenced Wednesday to four to six months in jail for slashing tires outside a Bush-Cheney campaign office on Election Day 2004.
The men pleaded no contest in January to misdemeanor property damage. A fifth worker was found not guilty.
"This case had to be a public example of what can happen when you interfere with voters' rights," said Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Michael Brennan, who rejected prosecutors' recommendation of probation for the four men.
The state Republican Party had rented more than 100 vehicles to give rides to voters and poll monitors on Nov. 2, 2004. The cars were parked outside a GOP campaign office when the tires were punctured. The vandalism left the drivers scrambling for new vehicles.
Among those sentenced Wednesday were Sowande A. Omokunde, the son of U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, D-Wisconsin, and Michael Pratt, the son of former acting Milwaukee Mayor Marvin Pratt.
"I love my son very much. I'm very proud of him," Moore said. "He's accepted responsibility."
Omokunde was sentenced to four months in jail; Pratt and Lewis Caldwell of Milwaukee were sentenced to six months; and Lavelle Mohammad of Milwaukee was sentenced to five months. All were granted work-release privileges.
Brennan also ordered them to pay a $1,000 fine each, in addition to the $5,317 in total restitution ordered earlier.
The four could have faced up to nine months in jail term and fines of $10,000.
Wisconsin's 10 electoral votes in the 2004 election ended up going to Democrat John Kerry.
04/26/06 13:24 EDT
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Nice to see they actually get to spend some time behind bars for their stupid actions, as well as paying for the damages.
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yup,
justice is served it seems.
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Justice, indeed.
But..... you almost forgot about this, Dred?
Like, this was on your to-do list or something?
Slashing tires, a few months in the can, and a $1,000 fine. I applaud that ruling, but think these jerks deserve far worse.
But geeze....
You forgot to write down on your list, oh.... the convictions of 3 Republicans just this month in the New Hampshire phone jamming case.
You know, that case involving crippling the Dem's get out the vote system, James Tobin, his cronies, and his two dozen calls to someone in the White House over the 3 day duration of that election tampering?
Yeah, the tire thing has a sort of visceral appeal. Knives and rubber.
But this? It's way more interesting.
Just thought I should point it out, lest you "almost forget" it.
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Yup the world according to socialists "if you mention one group of people you HAVE to give their opposition equal time and access"
Thanks for pointing that out Nash. :aok
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This from the folks who shout "Clinton!" whenever their own stuff doesn't add up.
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Nash, I think you need to go take a walk or something. You're wound up waaaaayyy too tight. Seriously.
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SOB,
I may be an anomoly around here, I don't know.... but don't assume that my activity on this BBS reflects my every day life.
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Originally posted by Nash
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But..... you almost forgot about this, Dred?
Like, this was on your to-do list or something?
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I took Dreds post as nothing more sinister or partisan than the news story reminded him of it.
But it really pissed me off anyhow!:mad: :mad: :furious :mad: :furious
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"I took Dreds post as nothing more sinister or partisan than the news story reminded him of it.
But it really pissed me off anyhow!" Holden
Well okay. While we're talking about what gets ya pissed off when it comes to elections....
Just out of curiosity Holden, are you as angry about 4 kids slashing tires as you are angry about the multitudes of terror alerts during the run-up to the elections.... meant to frightening you, threatening your family's lives, altering people's behavior....
....that magically ceased to appear after the election?
.... that the then Home Security guy said were confusing if not patently objectionable and baseless?
I mean, when it comes to elections, there's politics and then there is politics. And then there are tires, and then there is this amazing spectacle of your own government threatening your very lives, terror alerts every week, terrorizing you, and Cheney insinuating that a vote against them may wind up in oblivion for everyone.
So... I mean.... what really gets ya going here? The kids?
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Originally posted by Nash
I may be an anomoly around here, I don't know.... but don't assume that my activity on this BBS reflects my every day life.
I don't think it reflects your every day life, I doubt most do...but certainly the blood gets pumping when you type out such a post. Just not sure what got you so riled in the starter post. Never really noticed DREDIOCK to be a member of the right-wing canned though brigade, and I didn't see anything else sinister about the post.
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Hey - I thought it was retarded that someone looked at their to-do list and brought up Dems slashing tires, when nothing ever gets said about Republican election tampering that's magnitudally gigantically worse.
The Republican convictions happened just this month, involving multitudes of calls to the WH, and the only thing people can remember is some tire slashing case?
There is something wrong with that.
And oh well.... I'm not exactly going to play along.
Call me crazy or whatever. Lol.... I already know it. :)
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OK, you're crazy. Silly Canuckian. :p
BTW...Before you mentioned it, I hadn't heard of what you're talking about. Damned Liberal media must be napping.
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Hehe.... yup.
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Originally posted by Nash
I mean, when it comes to elections, there's politics and then there is politics. And then there are tires, and then there is this amazing spectacle of your own government threatening your very lives, terror alerts every week, terrorizing you, and Cheney insinuating that a vote against them may wind up in oblivion for everyone.
So... I mean.... what really gets ya going here? The kids?
When the government warns me of a perceived danger (whether motivated by politics or reality), they are saying "look out!" not threatening my life.
But when somebody yells "Look out!" to me, it really pisses me off! :mad: :mad: :furious
But not as much as when I climb out of the open manhole I just fell into.
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lol....
When the government warns me of a perceived danger... - Holden
Is that how you see it?
:rofl
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You think there is no perception of terrorism danger?
:lol
PS: you left out the "(whether motivated by politics or reality),"
which means you are laughing at nothing.
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Wrong - I'm laughing at you.
Or, (because I respect your intelligence), the joke that you are trying to make...
.... but can't possibly expect me to take seriously.
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The point Nash, is that however motivated, a warning that something bad might happen is not a threat.
A threat is somebody saying, "I'm gonna kill you"
A warning is someone saying, "Look out I think Steve is gonna kill you."
Whether or not Steve is really gonna kill you does not transform the warning to a threat.
And if I tell you that Steve is gonna kill you and know it to be wrong, it still is not a threat.
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...........and multiple, repeated warnings that you and your family are in dire straights is what?
This very government saying, essentially, "vote for me or die"..... is what?
And uh... all lies, it turns out.
And of course, November passed, et voila, no more threats to your very existance. The poor SOB who had to issue those threats is now saying that they were retarded. Based on nothing.
What yer looking at here, Holden, is your very own government threatening your life. Making it all up. Forcing these manufactured warnings based on nothing other than to fear ya.
You say:
"You think there is no perception of terrorism danger?"
.........sigh.
Yes, Holden, there certainly is the "perception."
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Ya know what? I think the meaning of all of this escapes everyone.
I don't think y'all really get it.
Your government is employed by you.
There is something supremely sick about a government that would tell you lies, and make you head for the nearest Walmart to stock up on electricians tape........ for no reason.
A government that would supplant your aspirations with fear and nihilism for nothing other than the sole objective of getting reelected.
Your instincts dulled. Rationalism, irrational.
Your better angels, replaced by thugs.
What sane person makes death threats against you!?
And what does it mean when it's your own government doing it?
Insane. That's the only word I have for it.
There's just no excuse at this point.
Toad will go: "blah blah"..... and Holden will go "blah blah".... but it's beyond these men. And if you listen closely, they are already clawing for a way out.
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Originally posted by Nash
Ya know what? I think the meaning of all of this escapes everyone.
Toad will go: "blah blah"..... and Holden will go "blah blah".... but it's beyond these men.
How very condescending of you. To be expected though.
Carry on.
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hey.... hey...
whatever you say...
Diablo, well I just don't know....
Shake it up enough, and it just might glow.
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like it made any difference.
it some just finally gonna be done over that pass interfernce call in the superbowl?
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Yes Nash I almost forgot about this.
This was one of those stories you hear about when it happens and wonder what the outcome will be at the time considering the connections and tend to forget about it witht he passage of time it kinda fades into oblivian. Then you read about the outcome later ands say "ohhh yeaaaa, I remember that. I almost forgot it even happened"
So, When I ran across this story I figured I'd put it up.
I have to admit though. I just knew it would attract your attention and commontary and given some of your recent trolls that just added to the incentive to post the story.
Taste of your own medicine so's to speak
Just goes ta show. You dont always need a fancy lure to troll sucsessfully.
Sometimes a plain ol earthworm on a hook works just fine.
Particularly when your fishing for crappie ;)
As for my politics.
I am right, left, and in the middle depending on subject matter.
I have no particular political affiliation. I'm neither a Dumbocrat nor a Republicant.
I am thouroughly unimpressed with both parties
You however have shown time and time again your colors.
Anything republican is bad in your eyes.
While I dont love Bush, I dont hate him either.
Same for Clinton.
some things Bush has done I agree with. And some I dont.
Same things goes for Clinton
And I dont see Bush's activities as being any more or less criminal or moronic then Clintons was.
Replacing Bush with Kerry would have been nothing more then replacing one Bafoon with another.
You did have a point though in another thread . I forget the exact words about getting in a decent government.
Problem is neither of our major parties holds the solution
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Originally posted by Nash
Hey - I thought it was retarded that someone looked at their to-do list and brought up Dems slashing tires, when nothing ever gets said about Republican election tampering that's magnitudally gigantically worse.
The Republican convictions happened just this month, involving multitudes of calls to the WH, and the only thing people can remember is some tire slashing case?
There is something wrong with that.
And oh well.... I'm not exactly going to play along.
Call me crazy or whatever. Lol.... I already know it. :)
So you're stating that anytime someone posts a negative article about Democrats,they need to also post something negative about Republicans?
Just like you do every time you make a negative post about the current administration...
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Originally posted by Sox62
So you're stating that anytime someone posts a negative article about Democrats,they need to also post something negative about Republicans?
Just like you do every time you make a negative post about the current administration...
Good point Sox.
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Nash....it is OUR government not yours. You don't have any idea of what it is like to live under it. You aren't around Americans. You sure do find us interesting tho.
I think what most people notice is that all of your pouting and foot stamping little fits are about republicans... I think everyone notices that there is no democrat excess that you find too big or too small to ignore of make excuse for.
you are a liberal and as such... dishonest. You never tell what you want (even tho it is obvious)... you only tear at the enemy of what you want.
I think that any sane American seeing this would realize that if the republicans are so hated by your ilk.. that voting republican is the only alternative. You are a liberal socialist big government guy..
Real Americans hate liberal socialist big government... you are at least smart enough to know that so you never say what you want... only tear at anything that is the enemy of liberal socialist big government.
liberals claim they want to be free but they all want government to be all powerful... never made any sense to me.
lazs
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Nice little dillema nash wants to paint here.
If there are no terror alerts and an attack is launched the Government didn't do enough to protect the public.
If there is a terror alert and no attack launched the Government is preying on your fears and according to nash influencing the vote.
Nice there, rather black and white and a wonderful description of damned if you do and damned if you dont. Fantastic spin on a situation from a person who's opinion and influence on the government is nill.
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What scares me is Electronic Voting machines. The oversight is almost nill, they have no paper trail and the code id a kept secret so no one except the privileged few know what it is really doing.
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Originally posted by Sox62
So you're stating that anytime someone posts a negative article about Democrats,they need to also post something negative about Republicans?
Just like you do every time you make a negative post about the current administration...
The rules that nash wants everyone to follow do not apply to him.
He is smarter and cooler then we are.
Didn't you know?:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by mars01
What scares me is Electronic Voting machines. The oversight is almost nill, they have no paper trail and the code id a kept secret so no one except the privileged few know what it is really doing.
Heh, what interests me isn't the machines, it is the list of people who are ineligible voters. The company that made Florida's list (in 2000) was run by Republican donors. Coincidentally, the Republicans took Florida in a narrowly contested election.
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Yeah it's all scary. LOL
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Originally posted by Urchin
Heh, what interests me isn't the machines, it is the list of people who are ineligible voters. The company that made Florida's list (in 2000) was run by Republican donors. Coincidentally, the Republicans took Florida in a narrowly contested election.
Well... I can show you the places where the illegal's get their driver's licenses. With a stack of those you can vote as many times as you want in some states.
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Originally posted by Nash
What yer looking at here, Holden, is your very own government threatening your life. Making it all up. Forcing these manufactured warnings based on nothing other than to fear ya.
Source? "This very government saying, essentially, "vote for me or die"..... is what?"
Since you put that in quotes, I assume you have a source.
As I am a human being, when I hear something from Howard Dean or from Rush Limbaugh, I consider the source. When I go down to the local building department, I realise I haven't received information from some prestigious architectural firm, just from a clerk in a government office.
Yes I hired the government, they work for me, I hired the police too. When they come out with advice not to walk down dark alleys with $20 bills hanging out of my pockets they are not threatening me.
And by the way, "The Government" does not say "vote for me", political candidates and parties do. I know the difference.
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Originally posted by Nash
Just out of curiosity Holden, are you as angry about 4 kids slashing tires as you are angry about the multitudes of terror alerts during the run-up to the elections.... meant to frightening you, threatening your family's lives, altering people's behavior....
....that magically ceased to appear after the election?
Hmmm... I'd completely forgot about those. Yeah... makes one wonder.
We'll have to see if the same thing happens on the next presidential election.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Source?
Since you put that in quotes, I assume you have a source.
As I am a human being, when I hear something from Howard Dean or from Rush Limbaugh, I consider the source. When I go down to the local building department, I realise I haven't received information from some prestigious architectural firm, just from a clerk in a government office.
Yes I hired the government, they work for me, I hired the police too. When they come out with advice not to walk down dark alleys with $20 bills hanging out of my pockets they are not threatening me.
And by the way, "The Government" does not say "vote for me", political candidates and parties do. I know the difference.
Source? You want a source? Be carefull what you ask for, after you get it your fingers are going to smell cause the source is his ass.
:D
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My original comment, the one which you quoted Nash's reply Sandman, was posted not to show I was angry about four kids, but was just to note the angry over-reaction to the thread's original post.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
You however have shown time and time again your colors.
Anything republican is bad in your eyes.
In Nash's defense, his posts aren't always anti-Republican. They are however almost always anti-corruption. Of course, that's just my opinion.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
My original comment, the one which you quoted Nash's reply Sandman, was posted not to show I was angry about four kids, but was just to note the angry over-reaction to the thread's original post.
Wasn't really concerned about the four kids... the bit about heightened terror alerts got my attention. It's not a bad ploy if your party is considered tougher on security than the challenger.
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"This very government saying, essentially, "vote for me or die"..... is what?" - Nash
Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Source?
Since you put that in quotes, I assume you have a source.
Originally posted by GtoRA2
Source? You want a source? Be carefull what you ask for, after you get it your fingers are going to smell cause the source is his ass.
Here's what (ahem) your government told you (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/07/cheney.terror/) on September 7, 2004, in Des Moines, Idaho.
If that particular source doesn't float your boat, just google "cheney kerry attack" and have at her.
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Originally posted by Nash
Here's what (ahem) your government told you (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/07/cheney.terror/) on September 7, 2004, in Des Moines, Idaho.
If that particular source doesn't float your boat, just google "cheney kerry attack" and have at her.
LMAO
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/747
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug04/Leopold0804.htm
http://www.opednews.com/leopold_080204_alerts.htm
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0408/S00019.htm
Yep...buying into crap like this is...well... for those that believe :noid
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"LMAO"?
"LMAO"?
Really?
Okay... That was perhaps the most amazing pile of crap links I've ever seen posted. Holy smokes.... like piles of ****, stacked one upon another. Crushing in upon themselves.
All to refute my "source."
But it turns out..... my "source" was Cheney himself. His very own words.
I don't know how you would think that some list of crap links would suddenly remove those words from his mouth. Mppht, hilarious.
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Nash
I dont see how your link means anything. That's not why Kerry lost.
Nor do I think most people cared about it.
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Oh, I had no idea that we were discussing why Kerry lost.
You called my source BS. In fact, referring to me, you said:
Originally posted by GtoRA2
Source? You want a source? Be careful what you ask for, after you get it your fingers are going to smell cause the source is his ass.
In actual fact, the source wasn't my "ass" per say.... but Cheney himself. So help me out here. Is my source really my ass? Is Cheney my ass?
It turns you that you seem to be the only guy pulling stuff outta his bellybutton here. So who's "fingers smell"?
"Be careful what you ask for" indeed.
Don't give me this "Nobody cares about why Kerry lost," left field, out-of-nowhere nonsense. It's like ya got ADD or something.
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Nash, do you care this much about your own country's politics?
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Not at the moment. Things are pretty much a-okay.
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Kerry lost because he was a poorer choice than Bush. And that is quite a feat.
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Originally posted by SOB
Kerry lost because he was a poorer choice than Bush. And that is quite a feat.
One could wonder if the bi-weekly terror alerts had anything to do with that.
Other than Bush, no one else has received more votes in the history of our presidential elections.
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That certainly does make me wonder too. Although, I do see that the regular alerts could have gone away as a response to an increasingly negative reaction to them by the public (ie when the alerts keep coming and nothing happens).
I don't think whether the party was perceived as tough or weak on terrorism is what made the real difference though. If the Democrats had run a candidate worth voting for, I think they would have won.
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Think back to just prior to the elections. Bush was the hands down favorite with regard to security.
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Absolutely, Cheney played that card beautifully (the beauty here, of course, referring to how thoroughly and convincingly he spewed bull**** and half-truths to make the opposition out to be easy on terrorists). That doesn't change my opinion of Kerry or why he lost, though.
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Originally posted by SOB
That certainly does make me wonder too. Although, I do see that the regular alerts could have gone away as a response to an increasingly negative reaction to them by the public (ie when the alerts keep coming and nothing happens).
I don't think whether the party was perceived as tough or weak on terrorism is what made the real difference though. If the Democrats had run a candidate worth voting for, I think they would have won.
ever think that MAYBE just MAYBE that had credible information and wanted to give the public at least some warning?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
ever think that MAYBE just MAYBE that had credible information and wanted to give the public at least some warning?
You mean like Iraq having WMD's, and acquiring yellow cake from Nigeria.
Yeah, this Admin has a real good track record with credible information.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
ever think that MAYBE just MAYBE that had credible information and wanted to give the public at least some warning?
Warning of what? That any president of this country would or could actually treat a major terrorist attack like a case of jaywalking? No, I didn't ever think that.