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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mustaine on April 28, 2006, 12:26:15 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/bush_national_anthem
"I think the national anthem ought to be sung in English, and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English."
GOOD FOR HIM!
i am honestly wowed he said it so boldly, because of the sensitivity of the subject.
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(http://itpro.no/images/shots/brokenenglish0.jpg)
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Probably one of the very few things I agree with Bush on. If you're in an English speaking country and plan to work/live here, speak the language or else.
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What Sigma said, it's the United States National Anthem, not Mexico's, not Cuba's, not any other latin countries national anthem. If they want to be Americans so much they can at least make an attempt to learn english. I know immigrants who have been here 4 years and speak better english then a co worker who came here 10+ years ago.
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Now if he can get the guts to forcively remove all illegalls from the US
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Chirac wants you to sing it in french.
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The National Anthem is the National Anthem, take it or leave it. We don't need pop stars adding their own "personal touches" to it when they perform it....and we certainly don't need some British music producer to get a Cuban rap artist to record it in Spanish.
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"and I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English"
I guess he better hit the books then.
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Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Bush can think what he likes, but the rights of the People to sing the anthem or any other song in any way they please is protected by the Constitution of the United States.
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a constitutional amendment is due here. The official language of these united states is hearby proclaimed, english. Although we should get to it before the 1/3 spanish language only population meter is pegged.
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Originally posted by Yeager
a constitutional amendment is due here. The official language of these united states is hearby proclaimed, english.
Great idea, because the Congress has run out of important things to worry about.
Nevermind that it would have little hope of passing by the states.
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What Bush said ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Nevermind that it would have little hope of passing by the states.
I think you are dead wrong!
Most people already agree english is our national language and I think most people would support the idea of an amendment saying so.
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75% of the states are required to ratify an amendment to the Constitution.
Don't bet on it ever happening.
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What do you have against it? Why would anyone?
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Millions would be saved every year at every level of government.
"79 percent of Americans, and 81 percent of first and second generation Americans favor making English the official language of the United States. Majority support for official English was recorded among every subgroup, including age, gender, race, and political affiliation. (Source: Zogby International, June 2005)"
http://www.us-english.org/inc/official/factsfigs.asp
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On the surface making English the official language when it comes to any sort of governmental or business transaction sounds okay, but I wonder about the cost specifically with regard to elections. Which is cheaper, printing additional text on the ballots or funding education for people that do not speak English? Oh yeah, that's what we would have to do. To do otherwise would be a violation of voter rights.
According to the U.S. census, there are over forty million hispanics in this country. That's 14% of the population. How many are going to vote for the disenfranchisement of themselves, or their families, or their friends?
All of which is a completely separate issue than limiting the singing of the National Anthem to English. Which is nothing more than a limit on the freedom of expression for nothing more than emotional reasons. It's not about safety or security.
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What do you think about everyone learning a man made second language for global communication?
see this link for ESPERANTO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto)
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Aren't all languages man made? :)
You know, we could all just learn to speak Klingon, but it would turn us into a nation of nerds.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Aren't all languages man made? :)
You know, we could all just learn to speak Klingon, but it would turn us into a nation of nerds.
After the internet has spread everywhere and a century has passed, we'll all be speaking one language. I just hope it won't be French. While it might be eloquent and sophisticated language, it just looks too funny written. So, I'm guessing all the people will be speaking Finnish in 50 or so years. :D
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How's your chinese?
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*puts silly hat on*
(http://www.pixeljoint.com/files/icons/klingon.gif)Krak Kah Shahhh!!
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
How's your chinese?
That's what I was thinking about... Sorry, all I know is the name of my local Chinese restaurant (and some of the foodstuff). Which one of the Chinese languages? :)
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Originally posted by Saintaw
*puts silly hat on*
(http://www.pixeljoint.com/files/icons/klingon.gif)Krak Kah Shahhh!!
thats far too good looking to be you.
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On the surface making English the official language when it comes to any sort of governmental or business transaction sounds okay, but I wonder about the cost specifically with regard to elections. Which is cheaper, printing additional text on the ballots or funding education for people that do not speak English? Oh yeah, that's what we would have to do. To do otherwise would be a violation of voter rights.
Who says we have to pay jack **** at all for those ILLEGALLY HERE to learn english. **** them. They have to pay to be in the classes, and hence we make money off of it.
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Ya Bush said that..but u think he wrote it?:rofl
"Pull de stling! Pull da stling!'
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I agree that English should be our official language.
If you want to live here, learn the language. Thats part of how America has assimilated all of her immigrants over the years.
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i cant think about spanish without thinking "GASOLINA! MADA MOO DADA GASOLINA "
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hm... Spanish......
SPANISH INQUISITION!
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Who says we have to pay jack **** at all for those ILLEGALLY HERE to learn english. **** them. They have to pay to be in the classes, and hence we make money off of it.
Who said anything about illegal aliens? Last I checked, they don't vote.
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Gee and here I thought Ubbie Dubbie was the international second language:confused:
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*quietly sneaks out of the thread before being caught agreeing with boosh*
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Originally posted by Sandman
Who said anything about illegal aliens? Last I checked, they don't vote.
Lol they seem to in Chicago and various parts of California
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I personally could care less if hispanics want to sing the national anthem in their own language so long as the words aren't changed and it's not the one done in public places like before ballgames. That basically leaves them Kindergarten plays and the shower. Have at it.
I'd be all for a Constitutional Amendment to ensure English is the national language in America. I think it would pass without much difficulty. I think many of the hispanic/poles/whatever peoples who want to see their kids succeed realize their best chance is English, and the ones who can't figure that out are likely too dumb/poor to make it to the polls en masse anyway. Kinda cruel to say, but that's the way it works.
I'd also be all for the gov't shelling out some cash at first to train people to teach ESL. These people could then volunteer their time. For manpower, use liberals busy protesting all the petty things they protest. Obviously, they have the time, and the desire to help someone, right?
I'm also fine with keeping the "pseudo-dual-language" forms, etc., going on for a time as people assimilate. The aim here is not to punish anyone, it is to help them.
It will probably cost a lot of money at first, and I accept that I'd have to pay my due with taxes. But I'm ok with that. I strongly feel that over a few years of doing this, the benefits will be enormous, and if I can get through a day of work without being completely frustrated working with people who obviously have no desire to learn English, I'll be very happy (they've been calling for six years, yet haven't learned to ask if someone's available - that is BS).
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Spanish
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El Oh, opinión puede usted ver, por la luz temprana del amanecer,
¿Qué granizamos tan orgulloso en destellar pasado del crepúsculo?
De quién amplias rayas y estrellas brillantes, con la lucha peligrosa,
¿O'er los terraplenes que nosotros miró, tan galantemente fluían?
Y el fulgor rojo de los cohetes, las bombas que estallan en aire,
Dio la prueba con la noche que nuestra bandera todavía estaba allí.
La opinión de O, hace que bandera estrella-star-spangled con todo onda
¿O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente?
En la orilla, vista dévil a través de las nieblas del profundo,
Donde el anfitrión arrogante del enemigo en silencio del pavor descansa,
Cuál es el que la brisa, o'er el elevado empapa,
¿Mientras que fitfully sopla, la mitad encubre, mitad divulga?
Ahora coge el destello de la primera viga de la mañana,
En gloria completa ahora reflejados brillos en la corriente:
¡' Tis la bandera estrella-star-spangled! O largo puede él agitar
O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente.
Y donde está esa venda que tan vauntingly juró
Que el estrago de la guerra y de la confusión de la batalla
¿Un hogar y un país deben salir de nosotros no más?
Su sangre ha limpiado fuera de la contaminación de su paso asqueroso.
Ningún refugio podía ahorrar al hireling y al esclavo
Del terror del vuelo, o del abatimiento del sepulcro:
Y la bandera estrella-star-spangled en onda del doth del triunfo
O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente.
¡Oh! así sea siempre, cuando los freemen estarán parados
¡Entre su amó hogares y el desolation de la guerra!
Blest con la victoria y la paz, puede la tierra cielo-rescatada
Elogie la energía que el hath nos hizo y preservó una nación.
Entonces conquístenos debe, cuando nuestra causa él es justa,
Y éste sea nuestro lema: "en dios está nuestra confianza."
Y la bandera estrella-star-spangled en triunfo agitará
¡O'er la tierra del libre y el hogar del valiente!
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Dutch
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Oh, zegt kan u, door het vroege licht van de dageraad zien,
Wat zo trots wij begroetten bij twilight's het laatste gleaming?
Wiens brede strepen en heldere sterren, door de gevaarlijke strijd,
O'er ramparts stroomden zo gallantly die wij hebben gelet op?
En de rode glans van de raketten, de bommen die in lucht barst,
Gaf bewijs door de nacht dat onze vlag nog daar was.
O zegt, doet die ster-spangled banner maar toch golf
O'er het land van vrij en het huis van moedig?
Voor de kust, die vaag door de mist van diep wordt gezien,
Waar de haughty gastheer van de vijand in ontzettingsstilte rust,
Wat wat de wind, o'er torenhoge steil dat is,
Aangezien het fitfully blaast, verbergt de helft, onthult de helft?
Nu vangt het het schijnsel van de eerste straal van de ochtend,
Geheel nu weerspiegelde glanst de glorie op de stroom:
' Tis de ster-spangled banner! Lang o kan het golven
O'er het land van vrij en het huis van moedig.
En waar is die band die zo vauntingly zwoor
Dat de verwoesting van oorlog en de verwarring van de slag
Een huis en een land zouden ons niet meer moeten verlaten?
Hun bloed heeft de verontreiniging van hun vuile voetstap tenietgedaan.
Geen toevluchtsoord kon het hireling en de slaaf redden
Van de verschrikking van vlucht, of de mistroostigheid van het graf:
En de ster-spangled banner in triomf doth golf
O'er het land van vrij en het huis van moedig.
Oh! aldus zij het ooit, wanneer freemen zich zullen bevinden
Tussen hun gehouden van huizen en verlatenheid van de oorlog!
Blest met overwinning en vrede, kan het hemel-geredde land
Prijs de Macht die hath maakte en ons een natie bewaarde.
Dan verover wij moet, wanneer onze oorzaak het enkel is,
En dit is onze motto: "In God is ons vertrouwen."
En de ster-spangled banner in triomf zal golven
O'er het land van vrij en het huis van moedig!
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French
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Ah, parole peut vous voir, par la première lumière de l'aube,
Que tellement fièrement avons-nous grêlé à dernier briller du crépuscule ?
À qui larges raies et lumineux tient le premier rôle, par le combat périlleux,
O'er les remparts que nous a observé, coulaient tellement vaillamment ?
Et la lueur rouge des fusées, les bombes éclatant en air,
A fourni des preuves par la nuit que notre drapeau était toujours là.
La parole de O, fait que bannière de tenir le premier rôle-spangled pourtant vague
O'er la terre du libre et la maison du braver ?
Sur le rivage, faiblement vu par les brumes du profond,
Là où l'hôte hautain de l'ennemi dans le silence de crainte repose,
Ce qui est cela que la brise, o'er le trés haut trempent,
Pendant qu'elle souffle fitfully, la moitié cache-t-elle, moitié révèle-t-elle ?
Maintenant elle attrape la lueur du premier faisceau du matin,
Dans la pleine gloire maintenant reflétés éclats sur le jet :
'Tis la bannière de tenir le premier rôle-spangled ! O long peut il onduler
O'er la terre du libre et la maison du braver.
Et où est cette bande qui a tellement vauntingly juré
Que le ravage de la guerre et de la confusion de la bataille
Une maison et un pays devraient ne partir de nous pas plus ?
Leur sang a éliminé la pollution de leur marchepied fétide.
Aucun refuge n'a pu sauver le laquais et slave
De la terreur du vol, ou de la tristesse de la tombe :
Et la bannière de tenir le premier rôle-spangled dans la vague de doth de triomphe
O'er la terre du libre et la maison du braver.
Ah ! ainsi que ce soit jamais, quand les citoyens d'honneur se tiendront
Entre le leur a aimé les maisons et la désolation de la guerre !
Blest avec la victoire et la paix, peut la terre ciel-sauvée
Félicitez la puissance que le hath nous a faite et a préservée une nation.
Conquérez-alors nous doit, quand notre cause il est juste,
Et ce soit notre devise : "dans Dieu est notre confiance."
Et la bannière de tenir le premier rôle-spangled dans le triomphe ondulera
O'er la terre du libre et la maison du braver !
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Italian
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L'OH, ad esempio può voi vedere, dalla luce in anticipo dell'alba,
Che cosa abbiamo grandinato così fiero ad ultimo brillare della penombra?
Di chi vaste bande e stelle luminose, con la lotta perilous,
O'er i ramparts che noi ha guardato, così gallantly stavano effluendo?
E la luce vivida rossa dei razzi, le bombe che scoppiano in aria,
Ha dato la prova con la notte che la nostra bandierina era ancora là.
L'opinione della O, fa che bandiera stella-star-spangled tuttavia onda
O'er la terra del libero e la sede del brave?
Sul puntello, fioco visto attraverso le foschie del profondo,
Dove l'ospite haughty dei nemici nel silenzio di terrore riposa,
Che cosa è quello che la brezza, o'er il torreggiante bagna,
Mentre fitfully salta, la metà cela, metà rileva?
Ora interferisce il gleam del primo fascio della mattina,
Nel glory completo lustri ora riflessi sul flusso:
'Tis la bandiera stella-star-spangled! La O lunga può esso fluttuare
O'er la terra del libero e la sede del brave.
E dove è quella fascia che così vauntingly ha giurato
Che il havoc della guerra e della confusione della battaglia
Una sede e un paese dovrebbero non lasciarli non di più?
La loro anima ha eliminato inquinamento del loro passo di fallo.
Nessun rifugio ha potuto conservare il hireling e lo schiavo
Dal terrore del volo, o dal gloom della tomba:
E la bandiera stella-star-spangled nell'onda del doth di trionfo
O'er la terra del libero e la sede del brave.
L'OH! così sia mai, quando i freemen si leveranno in piedi
Fra il loro amava le sedi ed il desolation della guerra!
Blest con la vittoria e la pace, può la terra cielo-salvata
Elogii l'alimentazione che il hath ci ha reso e conservato una nazione.
Allora conquistili deve, quando la nostra causa esso è giusta,
E questo è il nostro motto: "in dio è la nostra fiducia."
E la bandiera stella-star-spangled nel trionfo fluttuerà
O'er la terra del libero e la sede del brave!
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And ... English
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Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
(other verses here: http://www.bcpl.net/~etowner/anthem.html)
Great in any language. Viva' la melting pot.
(Please forgive if Babelfish didn't get it exactly right)
:D I love my country and I'm glad others do too. Even if they don't speak english. Or speak it well.
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Gotta love online translators, the results can be hillarious :D
Daniel
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Originally posted by Vudak
I personally could care less if hispanics want to sing the national anthem in their own language so long as the words aren't changed and it's not the one done in public places like before ballgames. That basically leaves them Kindergarten plays and the shower. Have at it.
Radio show had the words to the recently recorded Spanish version translated.
Well...Some of the words were the same.
Will someone living in the boarder states kindly print this out and go down to your local welfare office and staple it to the foreheads of every damn boarder crosser you see please.
Hey Wetbacks, Beaners, whatever
LEARN THE LANGUAGE!
My Grandfather on my fathers side (Spanish from Spain) did it back in 1916 without the help of some federal handout.
My Great grandfather on my Mothers side (from Germany) managed to do it without a federal handout
My Great Grandmother on my mothers side (From Hungary) Managed to do it without a federal handout
Indians manage to do it, Arabs manage to do it, Asians manage to do it as well as every other damn country in the world who's people immigrate here manage to do it. (with and without federal handouts)
You should be able to manage to too WITH Federal handouts.
LEARN #()$*$)# ENGLISH
Thank you
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If its teh American National Anthum, sing it in english, if its Frances' sing it in French, Spain Spanish, Mexico, Mexican etc. If you can't sing it in teh country that it applies to DON'T SING IT AT ALL.
And for teh populay clebs that forget the words, don't bother trying, you just make yourself look stupid.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Bush can think what he likes, but the rights of the People to sing the anthem or any other song in any way they please is protected by the Constitution of the United States.
Sandman...It's the "Constitution of the United States" NOT the "Constitution of the World" Try reading it in its entirety once... are you that stupid?
Oh and Thrawn..stay in CanaDUH they need YOUR type! Marry Nash.
With Love,
Mac
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Ironic thread for a country who's founders spelling was so bad they rewrote the English dictionary to suit themselves.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Sandman...It's the "Constitution of the United States" NOT the "Constitution of the World" Try reading it in its entirety once... are you that stupid?
Oh and Thrawn..stay in CanaDUH they need YOUR type! Marry Nash.
With Love,
Mac
Who do you think I had in mind when I wrote "the People".
Don't be a dork.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Who do you think I had in mind when I wrote "the People".
Don't be a dork.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Ironic thread for a country who's founders spelling was so bad they rewrote the English dictionary to suit themselves.
:D
An English gentleman once said to me, head shaking in disgust, "We had the perfect language..." :cool:
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Originally posted by AWMac
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Originally posted by Sandman
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echo?
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Originally posted by Vudak
:D
An English gentleman once said to me, head shaking in disgust, "We had the perfect language..." :cool:
Blimey.
You may be bloody well right wot :rofl
Yea ok LOL
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Bush telling people they should speak English. Oh the irony.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Bush telling people they should speak English. Oh the irony.
maybe if he was telling people to speak perfect English. ;)
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as CinC, he can't legally speak perfect etonian english like tony blair
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Originally posted by Sandman
According to the U.S. census, there are over forty million hispanics in this country. That's 14% of the population.
Did the US census count all of them? :lol
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No one should be required to speak english except that all citizens should be required to pass a test showing that they can read and speak it at some fundamental level.
I should not be required to pay for any translations of government documents. Any translations at tourist or paid attractions should be paid out of ticket sales.
sandie.... most of the hispanics I know speak perfectly understandable english.... a lot of em can't even speak spanish. probly of that 40 million.... half or more fall into those categories. The rest are most likely illegals or older people who don't need any help because the younger ones translate for them in any case.
lazs
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to vote in the USA you must a citizen , to become a citizen you must have a working knowledge of the English language. the test is given in english.
tester:: how many stripes are there on the american flag?
wanabe:: qu passa?
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if duke cunningham can be bribed with hookers, im sure the citizenship test guy can probably be bought for a couple burritos
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Its just a song. I'm ok with it, I say let them sing. I personally honor hispanics who have fought and served and died for this country, who like this song, and I'm not too worried that the song will ever replace the national anthem.
The other thing that bothers me about this is, its like we welcomed these people to work here illegally, but now want to treat them like bastard children? I don't know what we should do about them, but we better keep our integrity.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Its just a song. I'm ok with it, I say let them sing. I personally honor hispanics who have fought and served and died for this country, who like this song, and I'm not too worried that the song will ever replace the national anthem.
The other thing that bothers me about this is, its like we welcomed these people to work here illegally, but now want to treat them like bastard children? I don't know what we should do about them, but we better keep our integrity.
I didn't squealing welcome them here---don't presume too many people are in that camp. And referring to an earlier post, you can't lump all Hispanics into one mindset---MOST Hispanic CITIZENS in Arizona want something to be done about the border...Puerto Ricans HATE being confused with Mexicans, as do Cubans. A of ths moment, there are 25,000 illegal aliens in prison in this country for FELONIES having nothing to do with sneaking across the border---businessmen don't pay that enormous bill..the federal government doesn't pay it..your local and state taxes are paying it, along with their food stamps, emergency room bills, the bills for their kids to go your public schools, the bill to Nationwide insurance to replace the destroyed car that my little girl was riding in which was destroyed by a carload of Mexicans who had neither license nor insurance......EEEEEEEEEEEEER RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrr:mad:
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The businessmen who were willing to pay illegal aliens for cheap labor and the politicians who looked the other way all these years welcomed them here.
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All we need to do is develop an intellegent policy for guest workers.
1. Employers can hire only from the approved list of guest workers.
2. An employer who intentionally hires someone who is not on the approved list loses his business and it is sold at auction. Money from the auction is send to the local schools.
3. Anybody can apply to be put on the "approved list" to become a guest worker in the USA.
4. Applications must be filled out under the eye of a representative of the United States in an embassy or consulate of the United States.
5. Applications are only available at locations at least 500 miles from the border of the United States.
There you go, no deportation needed.
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If we were to live in any other country in the world we (citizens of the United States of America) would be at a serious disadvantage because if you want to live, do business in them or otherwise engage in life there you MUST be able to speak and read/write that language.
I support the President in this matter and its one of the few that have had my support in the last 4 years.
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Holden, I agree with you but... if it is just fines or even selling of titles to businesses... it won't work... there needs to be jail time for all the employers and politicians who have been screwing us into this problem all these years.
Anyone caught hiring an illegal needs to spend a year in prison.
after you put about a dozen in jail the cowards will stop and the problem will end.... fine em 100k and the problem will continue.
lazs
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Originally posted by Dowding
Bush telling people they should speak English. Oh the irony.
lol...I still remember the verse in that Jib-Jab song rom the last election:
Kerry:
You can't say "Nuclear"
That really scares me
Sometimes a brain can
Come in quite handy.
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Bush said he thinks the national anthem should only be sung in english.
I have two problems with this;
1) Bush thinks?
2) Why does it start with "Jose can you see?"
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Originally posted by Furball
Chirac wants you to sing it in french.
like when you are a supporter of Arsenal ?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
5. Applications are only available at locations at least 500 miles from the border of the United States.
Salt Lake City?
:D
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Salt Lake City?
:D
Outside... outside the US... Smart ass.
But then the Kármán line is an internationally designated altitude commonly used to define outer space. According to definitions by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI), the Karman or Kármán line lies at a height of 100 km above mean sea level.
So theoretically SLC is only about 61 km from an internationally recognised international boundary.
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I wonder if this is just a big flipflop on Bush's part or just the failed construction of a straw man cause it seems that a Spanish rendition of the Star Spangled Banner was just fine for his 00' inaguration and at other times before...
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/02/national-anthem-sung-in-spanish-at-first-bush-inaugural
He even sang it himself in Spanish.
But then, I guess IOKIYAR
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If you live in a country which is not where you originally came from, you want full rights and citizenship, what is wrong with learning the language?
And if you want to sing the national anthem, how about learning it in the language of that country???
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i think its phisically impossible to remove all the illigal aliens. but i do agree on what bush said that all the illigal immagrents that have been living here for more then 5 years. then they should go to the office and become a citizen paying taxes like every 1 else. now if they havent been living here for that long then they need to go back to mexico get the papers so they are aloowed to come over here. the problem with illigal aliens is that they are here and do not pay taxes and are almost living here for free. every time they get a job they never half to pay taxes to the government like citzens do. so i think that is one of the only problems i agree on what bush said.