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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sixpence on April 28, 2006, 07:48:13 PM
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Arrested again. I wonder if he hangs with whitney houston now, they seem to have alot in common. He seems to take drugs quite, er, liberally:D
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Putz. It was a deal to resolve the three year old investigation.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/28/AR2006042801692.html
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Wow! It's almost like he's human or something.
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Human, yes. Hypocrite, yes.
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It takes a special kind of person to delight in someone else's medical problem and subsequent painkiller medication addiction...
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Well... if that someone is a hypocrite, hell yeah we do.
"Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be
convicted and they ought to be sent up." -- Rush Limbaugh. October 5, 1995
"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use, too many whites are getting away with drug sales, too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh. October 5, 1995
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Sandman, how does any of that make him a hypocrite? As far as I know, he could have that same opinion today an still not be a hypocrite for believing that.
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Right, because everyone knows that cocaine, pot, and heroin are exactly the same as percoset. It's really the same thing, going to a corner drug dealer for the first time to get your first dime bag, and going to a doctor for treatment for back pain. And a month later, robbing a store to get more crack money is EXACTLY the same as dumping the doctor who got you hooked on vicodin and percoset and, out of the exact same shame that nearly every patient hooked on painkillers feels, finding another doctor who has a different plan than "just quit 'cause crippling pain is better than being dependent on painkillers"
I've been taking painkillers for a blown out disc in my back for 8 years now, and after spending 5 years discussing back injury treatments with dozens of people, some of whom depend on IV painkiller drips even 10 years after surgery, I have a different perspective on this whole thing.
Equating illegal drug use, and illegal personal use of prescription medication does not make any sense at all unless the abuser entered into the addiction for reasons other than legitimate pain control. It is VERY well documented that Limbaugh's use started in a legitimate attempt to control pain, and like hundreds of thousands of others faced with severe pain in the US, he got hooked, didn't see or find a way out, and it got out of control.
I sit back and think "that could have been me"... I recently tossed out over 200 pills, mixed vicodin, percoset, and some other pretty strong stuff. I didn't use the stuff much because it has little effect on me which is why I ended up with so damn much of it, but if it had actually WORKED, damn it would have been hard to quit taking it. I've lived with pretty bad back pain for almost 6 years now and it affects my entire life. An hour without pain is a gift I cherish.
So yea I have a different perspective, and I stand by my statement that it takes a special kind of person to delight in someone else's medical problem and resultant painkiller addiction. I've been there, I view the use of illegal drugs COMPLETELY different than the abuse of addictive drugs prescribed to treat real problems, and it could have been me.
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He broke the law to do it. That's why he's a hypocrite.
I'm sure there is no shortage of people that find themselves addicted to pain killers after they've suffered a major injury. Oddly enough, the medical profession can treat that too.
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Could have been you, but wasn't. He had all the resources at his disposal to get the best help available, and he instead chose to continue to illegally take prescription medication. You continue making excuses for him; I'll continue to think he's a tough talking hypocrite. I take no joy in the fact that he is/was suffering, and frankly I don't think he should be punished for what he did - just like I don't think any other drug user (prescription or otherwise) should be punished for abusing or purchasing drugs.
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You're seriously proposing that using illegal drugs like cocaine the same as illegally using prescription medication that the patient got hooked on, just because both are against the law?
Dude. I don't think you really think that. You're just looking for a reason to bag on Rush.
That's like saying jaywalking is the exact same as drunk driving because they're both illegal and both cause motor vehicle accidents, and someone who campaigns against drunk driving is a hypocrite if they ever cross the street anywhere but on a corner or without using a crosswalk.
I don't think so, and I don't think you do either.
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I'm not making excuses for him. I'm pointing out that there is a HUGE difference between what he did, and what everyone is saying about how it makes him this huge criminal hypocrite.
Yea it was wrong and he's been doing the rehab walk of shame for a while now, but in no way is it the same as dealing or using crack cocaine.
That's like me dismissing everything YOU ever say about crime because I know you were speeding on the way to work today. Sorry, it's not the same.
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According to Black, Limbaugh also has agreed to make a $30,000 payment to the state to defray the public cost of the investigation. The agreement also provides that he must refrain from violating the law during this 18 months, must pay $30 per month for the cost of supervision and comply with other similar provisions of the agreement.
I just wonder how many average people get investigated like this and then have to pay for the investigation. I hope he's doing well and continues his treatment.
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It IS the same. You make the moral judgement in the way he came to use the drugs. As though someone trying out coke or marijuana for fun and getting hooked is somehow more worthy of being punished for breaking the law then he is. Bull****. He knew what he was doing was against the law, just the same as users of illicit drugs know they're breaking the law. He had the money and all the opportunity in the world to get help for his problem, and he made the choice to continue taking the drugs. He's a hypocrite, pure and simple.
Now, you want to give him more sympathy for his addiction because he started down this road due to his real need for this medication? Sure, that makes sense, and I'd agree. But it doesn't make him any less of a hypocrite.
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I chatted with a lady who had 4 crushed vertebrae after a car accident, and she got hooked bad on painkillers. She got caught shopping doctors when she sought treatment for the inevitable systemic problems you get from overuse of tylenol.
Instead of dragging her through the courts, she got a new doctor and now the federal govt pays for an IV drip that won't kill her kidneys/liver. She's still hooked, but was treated by the courts and medical system as a victim, not a criminal.
Now THAT is hypocritical, treating those two people differently.
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Originally posted by eagl
It takes a special kind of person to delight in someone else's medical problem and subsequent painkiller medication addiction...
I don't see anyone "delighting" in Rush's case. I see them calling it what it is. A massive hypocrite who used to rail on drug addicts, now having to admit (for the second time) that he, himself, is one. His words, scattered all over the internet like bread crumbs, are an indictment of his very own self.
If anything is delightful, it is that.
Sorta like Bob Barr leading the rally to impeach Clinton for infidelity, only to resign when his own infidelity was discovered. Same exact thing with House Speaker Livingston. Does that make them human? Very much so. Should we delight in it? Not at all. Are they hypocrites? You bet your sweet arse.
And there's nothing wrong with pointing it out, whenever, and wherever it happens.
This man's sole source of income, his career, is to make you upset, to hate people, and hate things. To lie, and to bend logic to its absolute breaking point, so that you... the passive listener, are moved. One of his targets was drugs and addiction. And he's been as heavy handed as he is about everything else.
Ultimately, yes.... this latest Rush brouhaha does show that he is human.
.... and an ass.
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Originally posted by eagl
"... I recently tossed out over 200 pills, mixed vicodin, percoset, and some other pretty strong stuff. I didn't use the stuff much because it has little effect on me which is why I ended up with so damn much of it, ...
next time pm me..
my wife was out 2 months last year because of her back
at $20 a pop for a script, I'll take them off your hands - even pay shipping :)
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Originally posted by Sandman
He broke the law to do it. That's why he's a hypocrite.
No, he would be a hypocrite if he thinks he should be treated differently than what he had proposed for other drug offenders.
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Originally posted by Nash
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This man's sole source of income, his career, is to make you upset, to hate people, and hate things. To lie, and to bend logic to its absolute breaking point, so that you... the passive listener, are moved.
John Kerry?
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Originally posted by Nash
...his career, is to make you upset, to hate people, and hate things. To lie, and to bend logic to its absolute breaking point, so that you... the passive listener, are moved.
Caption for?
(http://www.s-t.com/daily/09-96/09-29-96/hkennedy.jpg)
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1465000/images/_1466232_farrakhan300.jpg)
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Murdr wins!
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Uhm... your derailing this thread, Mudr.
But... start a new thread or something and I'll do my best to answer.
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Well the thread was begun with the premiss that a new crime was commited by a repeat offender here, when in fact this is the progression of a 3 year old story...So what's to derail? At any rate, you brought up the subject of hate, and lying to the discussion ;)
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Nuke - please tell me that you aren't gonna spend the next several weeks in your new persona "Mr. Big" by being the same lame disjointed thread hijacking provocateur wot got you banned the last time.
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Go ahead Mudr. Got a beef with Kennedy? Wanna discuss it? Start a new thread. I'll follow you there.
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Originally posted by Nash
Nuke - please tell me that you aren't gonna spend the next several weeks in your new persona "Mr. Big" by being the same lame disjointed thread hijacking provocateur wot got you banned the last time.
got a mirror?
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Got a point?
(and if so.... make a thread. I aint doing it here.)
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Nash, you introduce off topic examples into your responses that beg to be responded to. You are a hypocrite.
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Originally posted by Nash
IThis man's sole source of income, his career, is to make you upset, to hate people, and hate things. To lie, and to bend logic to its absolute breaking point, so that you... the passive listener, are moved. One of his targets was drugs and addiction. And he's been as heavy handed as he is about everything else.
Ultimately, yes.... this latest Rush brouhaha does show that he is human.
.... and an ass.
See Nash. This quote changed and derailed the thread. Up till this point, we were all talking about Rush and drugs. You opened a new can. A new point od discussion.
A man's carreer.
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Actually considering the guy broadcasts to over 20,000,000 listeners, talking for over 2 hours a day, five days a week, one would think you'd be able to find more than 11 year old quotes from one show to support your lame hypocrite argument.
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Nash, you really need to get with the program.
Conservatives develop unfortunate dependencies from the treatment of legitimate medical problems. Liberals are junkies that can only be helped by extended incarceration.
Liberals are corrupt and take bribes. Conservatives accept contributions to enhance the free market system.
Conservatives declassify "evidence". Liberals commit treason by leaking.
Liberals engage in illegal wiretaps. Conservatives protect you by monitoring dangerous communications of radicals.
Conservatives pro-actively make us aware of nascent threats. Liberals "wag the dog" to distract your attention.
It'll be clearer in a few months, when Karl Rove uses his new found free time to write a book.
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Originally posted by eagl
I chatted with a lady who had 4 crushed vertebrae after a car accident, and she got hooked bad on painkillers. She got caught shopping doctors when she sought treatment for the inevitable systemic problems you get from overuse of tylenol.
Instead of dragging her through the courts, she got a new doctor and now the federal govt pays for an IV drip that won't kill her kidneys/liver. She's still hooked, but was treated by the courts and medical system as a victim, not a criminal.
Now THAT is hypocritical, treating those two people differently.
Yeah, I listen to her talk show all the time.
How would Rush treat, let's say, Donovan Mcnabb if he was arrested for doing the same thing? Consider him a victim? C'mon, we both know better than that. He would berate him to death to push his agenda, he would have no mercy. That would be great for ratings. After watching him spew hate for a buck for so long, yeah, I am enjoying watching him go down. I treat him as he would treat others. I guess that makes him special too.
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Provide "hate" quotes please? Oh, never mind. You'll unknowingly (or knowingly) just dig up some quotes from the middle of a sarcasm schtick. Considering the Daryll Strawberry's of the world over the last 2 decades, your hypothetical is historically lacking.
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Originally posted by Murdr
Provide "hate" quotes please? Oh, never mind. You'll unknowingly (or knowingly) just dig up some quotes from the middle of a sarcasm schtick. Considering the Daryll Strawberry's of the world over the last 2 decades, your hypothetical is historically lacking.
Yeah, i'm being sarcastic too, yeah, that's the ticket
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Well here's how Rush feels about being tolerant of people who break the law.....
We are becoming too tolerant as a society, folks, especially of crime, in too many parts of the country.... This country certainly appears to be tolerant, forgive and forget. I mean, you know as well as I do, you go out and commit the worst murder in the world and you just say you're sorry, people go, "Oh, OK. A little contrition."... People say, "I feel better. He said he's sorry for it." We're becoming too tolerant, folks.
Of course we can tell Rush what to do with his body.....
--RushLimbaugh.com (8/18/03) In the audio link below, I go into detail about these non-thinking talking points that "you can't tell people what to do with their bodies" and "you can't legislate morality." First of all, we tell people what they can do to their bodies all the time--no cocaine, no prostitution, no throwing yourself off a building. Second, laws are nothing but defining morality!
Of course this is how Rush feels about people who overcome their drug addiction..
--RushLimbaugh.com (6/27/03) .....All right. Joe Fernandez came to New York from Miami, ladies and gentlemen, to be schools chancellor.... Now he is embattled--he's got a book that just came out, an autobiography that's soon to come out, I think, in which he admits that he was a mainliner as a teen-ager. This guy [pretends to stick needle in arm]--pfsst--shot up heroin. And people are praising him. He overcame the scourge. He triumphed over that profound obstacle in his life and has gone on to become this great schools chancellor.... [Plays a clip of Fernandez saying that the message of his teenage drug use is "to not give up on our kids."] Whoa. The guy wants to be education secretary, folks. Watch out. Now why does he want to go to Washington? Probably because he's studied the case of Marion Barry. Here's a guy who got involved in drugs. You want to see my Marion Barry impersonation? Do you want to see that? All right. I'll do the Marion Barry impersonation. So what is he? He gets involved in drugs and ends up, ladies and gentlemen, as a newly elected official in Washington, D.C.... So I'm sure Joe Fernandez is looking down there saying, "Hey, there's a future for, you know, drug users in Washington, D.C."
In fact Rush says don't look up to guys like him...you know..guys who break the law and illegally use drugs....
--Rush Limbaugh TV show (12/8/92) When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks.
But let's treat Rush how Rush wants to be treated.....
--Rush Limbaugh radio show (quoted in the L.A. Times, 8/20/95 I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right…"I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that."...
What he's saying is that if there's a line of cocaine here, I have to make the choice to go down and sniff it….And his point is that we are rationalizing all this irresponsibility and all the choices people are making and we're blaming not them, but society for it. All these Hollywood celebrities say the reason they're weird and bizarre is because they were abused by their parents. So we're going to pay for that kind of rehab, too, and we shouldn't. It's not our responsibility. It's up to the people who are doing it. And Colangelo is right.
I'm appalled at people who simply want to look at all this abhorrent behavior and say, "Hey, you know, we can't control it anymore. People are going to do drugs anyway. Let's legalize it." It's a dumb idea. It's a rotten idea, and those who are for it are purely, 100 percent selfish.
Yep....he's not a hypocrit....he's a role-model!!
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The phrase "Hoist by your own petard" comes to mind.
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Originally posted by Stringer
Yep....he's not a hypocrit....he's a role-model!!
Yeah, he's a P.O.S.
It's tough being human.
Role model? Yeah, don't want to encourage anyone to follow in the footsteps of Rush's screwed up life.
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You mean how he expresses his family values by being married 3 times? Being a drug addict...stuff like that?
He fits right in with Hollyweird...
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Originally posted by Stringer
You mean how he expresses his family values by being married 3 times? Being a drug addict...stuff like that?
He fits right in with Hollyweird...
Yeah, what a terrible person.
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I'm not buying what you guys are selling.
I've seen the pain my dad went through when his hip had degenerated to the point that it looked a piece of half decayed driftwood. He was addicted to prescription pain-killers and other drugs that played havoc with his body, his nerves, and his moods.
My wife is in the early stages of degenerative disk disease...which is going to get progressively worse, and she is already having to take pain medicine and physical therapy.
Anyone who refuses to admit the difference between some thrill-seeking, goof-ball heroin addict and someone with an addiction acquired becaue of a debilitating physical ailment is a bigger hypocrite than Rush ever was. Sure, both may buy drugs illegally, but the ways in which they acquire their addiction are poles apart.
So from here on out save your protestations of sympathy for the masses of unfortunates suffering under the ministrations of an "uncaring" government. You obviously don't mean it.
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Originally posted by Nash
This man's sole source of income, his career, is to make you upset, to hate people, and hate things. To lie, and to bend logic to its absolute breaking point, so that you... the passive listener, are moved. One of his targets was drugs and addiction. And he's been as heavy handed as he is about everything else.
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Wow you too have alot in common....in more ways than one if you catch my drift.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
I'm not buying what you guys are selling.
I've seen the pain my dad went through when his hip had degenerated to the point that it looked a piece of half decayed driftwood. He was addicted to prescription pain-killers and other drugs that played havoc with his body, his nerves, and his moods.
My wife is in the early stages of degenerative disk disease...which is going to get progressively worse, and she is already having to take pain medicine and physical therapy.
Anyone who refuses to admit the difference between some thrill-seeking, goof-ball heroin addict and someone with an addiction acquired becaue of a debilitating physical ailment is a bigger hypocrite than Rush ever was. Sure, both may buy drugs illegally, but the ways in which they acquire their addiction are poles apart.
So from here on out save your protestations of sympathy for the masses of unfortunates suffering under the ministrations of an "uncaring" government. You obviously don't mean it.
yes sir...good point.
and I have to say....
Those same people that are speaking out against rush would more than likely fully support a group of medicinal marjaiana users that got cought growing pot for medicinal reasons.
this is one thing that is true about the left. The man can appologize. He can pay the price.... but if they don't agree with him politically they will not stop with him untill they have run him through the ringer. It doesn't matter if he is emulating one of their causes, if he is a conservative he's no longer a victom.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
The man can appologize. He can pay the price.... but if they don't agree with him politically they will not stop with him untill they have run him through the ringer.
Mpphht. Yeah, okay.
RUSH LIMBAUGH runs addicts through your so-called ringer.
K?
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You guys just hate to admit that "Mr. Conservative" got caught with his hand in the "I'm Human" jar. Yes, it's difficult to be high, mighty and better than everyone else, when you are just like everyone else.
Lemme guess, if he got caught smoking pot for a medical condition you dittoheads would be all for medical marijuana. What a bunch of lemmings.
Oh, Eagler, you might want to delete that post asking for the illegal transfer of a controlled substance. That is a felony.
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Originally posted by Nash
Mpphht. Yeah, okay.
RUSH LIMBAUGH runs addicts through your so-called ringer.
K?
and you are doing what exactly? (keeping in mind your past)
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Originally posted by Nash
Mpphht. Yeah, okay.
RUSH LIMBAUGH runs addicts through your so-called ringer.
K?
Making comments on the radio when the topic comes up.....Trying (and failing) for years to come up with a criminal prosicution.
Sorry, Im not seeing the parallel.
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Let me put it another way...You don't practice what you preach.
An attitude of smug satisfaction about the suffering and misfortune of another does not reflect kindly on the holder of that attitude.
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By the way rpm, the AMA posted the results of a scientific study recently in which they stated that there is no evidence that smoking marijuana has any medicinal benefit whatsoever.
I don't care whether Rush is a conservative or a democrat...I take no satisfaction in the suffering of others...whatever their political stripe.
Nevertheless there is a vast difference between addiction to prescription drugs and addiction to illegal drugs stemming from thrill-seeking. One is involuntary...the other is not.
As I said earlier, some of those who pride themselves on their sensitivity actually have convictions that are only superficial.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Let me put it another way...You don't practice what you preach.
Neither does Rush....If you consider doing coke/pot/crack/ect. recreationally, the same as becoming addicted to legal drugs through medical treatment. Guess its clear who equates the two, and who doesnt.
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Huh?
Yeah, I was a junkie. And so is Rush.
So what? I went about cleaning my act up, and Rush sat there day after day in the booth, high on percocet or whatever, telling you that addicts are the scourge of the earth.
Orginally posted by Shuckins
Let me put it another way...You don't practice what you preach.
An attitude of smug satisfaction about the suffering and misfortune of another does not reflect kindly on the holder of that attitude.
So get this Shuckins: I don't practice what I preach.... because I don't preach.
I had a problem, and I got rid of it. Never once did I pretend not to have a problem, while at the same time telling anyone who did that they were dirtbag criminals... like Rush did.
And there's no "smug satisfaction" involved. It's just a case of someone who takes a paycheck for lying to everyone, lying to himself. No wonder he's so Golly-geened marvelous at it. He even had himself fooled.
He's a rotten man.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
An attitude of smug satisfaction about the suffering and misfortune of another does not reflect kindly on the holder of that attitude.
An eye for an eye
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Those same people that are speaking out against rush would more than likely fully support a group of medicinal marjaiana users that got cought growing pot for medicinal reasons.
I assume I'm in the "speaking out against rush" group, so I'll respond. Marijuana should be legal for medicinal or recreational use, IMO. It is, however, not legal in most places in the US. If you break the law by growing it, then being arrested is just one of the possible side effects - you rolls the dice, you takes your chances. Now, if we're talking growing marijuana in a state in which it is legal for you to do so, and then the feds come knocking on your door, you're damned right I'd be supporting the individual. In either case, I'd say it's a safe bet that these hypothetical medicinal marijuana users would be advocates of the free use of the drug, rather than railing against anyone who breaks the law by using illicit drugs...and that would be a key distinction.
this is one thing that is true about the left. The man can appologize. He can pay the price.... but if they don't agree with him politically they will not stop with him untill they have run him through the ringer. It doesn't matter if he is emulating one of their causes, if he is a conservative he's no longer a victom.
That's a nice demeaning generalization of an entire group of people, a vast majority of whom you don't know personally. Did you "ditto" this from Rush? Are there any other groups of people you'd care to cast disparaging generalizations about? Would you agree or disagree that this makes you look small-minded?
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"I mean, if something like the speed limit is 70, and I tell people I don't want you driving faster than 70; you're risking your life; you're risking other people's lives; you're wasting fuel and I got caught speeding for 95 miles an hour, was I wrong that you shouldn't be speeding? No, I was the one wrong, but it didn't change the value of right and wrong simply because I didn't abide by it at a particular time."
-Rush Limbaugh
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Herniated l-5.. 40 years now. I know pain. I know drugs. Guess I could say I know addiction.. but I refuse to give up air and smoke; despite my addiction to it.
I tried all the drugs.. and even got creative with the combo's. Like eagl, discovered they just don't work (on pain).. for whatever reason. Didn't like life in a diminished mental state, so I just stopped taking 'em. Never considered that I had a 'physical' addiction.. and never suffered 'withdrawl' from the concoctions when I gave up the attempts at pain relief thru the lid of a bottle of pills.
But cigarettes... now there's a heluva addictive drug.
So, I guess I'm a hippocrite too.
know what?
Russ Limbaugh is a liar, a hippocrite and despite my addiction to cigarettes (yes, itsa drug) I can proudly still say he's guite a few rungs down the hippocrite ladder from me or the homeless crack head on the corner.
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Nash...my man...you "preach" on these boards every night...without fail. Raging, sulfurous, fire-breathing, hell-raising sermons....pointing out to all the "sinners" the error of their ways.
You may have missed your calling in life.
I'm glad you cleaned up your act...bully for you...but you are a unique individual. We are all unique...and few have the internal fortitude to kick a powerful addiction, unaided.
My dad thinks the use of drugs such as heroine, cocaine, and crack is wrong...even though he was addicted to prescription drugs himself.
Does that make him a hypocrite? Absolutely not...for the two are NOT the same...and you know it.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
... I can proudly still say he's guite a few rungs down the hippocrite ladder from me or the homeless crack head on the corner.
Hmm...
I know a few smokers of cigarettes. I can't recall ever hearing any one of them deny that they smoke.... while at the same time saying that smoking is dirty and degenerate.
I've also run across a few crack heads....
I've never heard one say, fresh off a hit, "yo man, crack'll kill ya, and we gotta do more as a society to lock up people like me."
I'm just not following you Hang.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
By the way rpm, the AMA posted the results of a scientific study recently in which they stated that there is no evidence that smoking marijuana has any medicinal benefit whatsoever.
I don't care whether Rush is a conservative or a democrat...I take no satisfaction in the suffering of others...whatever their political stripe.
Nevertheless there is a vast difference between addiction to prescription drugs and addiction to illegal drugs stemming from thrill-seeking. One is involuntary...the other is not.
As I said earlier, some of those who pride themselves on their sensitivity actually have convictions that are only superficial.
Medical Marijuana: Bipartisan House Coalition Challenges FDA Medical Marijuana Finding 4/28/06
A week after the US Food and Drug Adminstration (FDA) issued a one-page opinion claiming marijuana has no proven medical uses -- a position that ignores the much more comprehensive analysis done by the National Academy of Science's Institute of Medicine in 1999 -- a bipartisan group of 24 House members led by Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) has called on the agency to explain its reasoning and offer scientific proof for its position.
"Despite the fact that you are responding to a scientific question, your press release failed to provide any scientific expertise," the representatives wrote in a Thursday letter to FDA Acting Commissioner Andrew von Eschenbach. "We call on you to show us the purported scientific evidence for the basis of this response. There is no evidence that you have new scientific proof or that you oversaw clinical trials. It perplexes us that even though the FDA is responsible for protecting public health, the agency has failed to respond adequately to the IOM's findings seven years after the study's publication date."
Last week, the FDA issued a one-page press release declaring that "no sound scientific studies supported medical use of marijuana for treatment in the United States, and no animal or human data supported the safety or efficacy of marijuana for general medical use." The press release did not point to any studies that supported its contention, and it has become an object of controversy among medical marijuana proponents and scientists who have actually done research on marijuana.
Hinchey accused the agency of playing politics with people's lives. "We saw it with the agency's decision on the emergency contraceptive, Plan B, and we're seeing it again with medical marijuana: the FDA is making decisions based on politics instead of science," Hinchey said. "The FDA should not be a political entity. Rather, the agency should be in the business of ensuring all Americans have access to safe and effective drugs, including medical marijuana."
You know why marijuana is not approved by the FDA? There's no marijuana lobby to pay off government officials.
I have no sympathy for Limbaugh. He's a hypocrite of the highest degree, right up there with TV preachers and professional politicians. He didn't seek help from his doctor to change meds, he seeked help from his maid to get a fix. There is your vast difference.
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Originally posted by Nash
Hmm...
I know a few smokers of cigarettes. I can't recall ever hearing any one of them deny that they smoke.... while at the same time saying that smoking is dirty and degenerate.
I've also run across a few crack heads....
I've never heard one say, fresh off a hit, "yo man, crack'll kill ya, and we gotta do more as a society to lock up people like me."
I'm just not following you Hang.
Possibly you should go out in the community and pitch in... cause you sure don't know any crak heads. Particularly crak heads that lost everything.. and still hit the pipe because they just can't stop. Being addicted (as you know) doesn't mean you don't know your addicted.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
Does that make him a hypocrite? Absolutely not...for the two are NOT the same...and you know it.
Trust me dude....
Addiction is addiction is addiction.
Weed, demerol, junk, coke, booze.... wotev.
Addiction is addiction. No script paper, no nothin'. When yer hooked, yer hooked.
And Rush is. And that's okay....
But the point is... He is a gawdamned hypocrite. I just don't get what is so hard to understand here.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Possibly you should go out in the community and pitch in... cause you sure don't know any crak heads. Particularly crak heads that lost everything.. and still hit the pipe because they just can't stop. Being addicted (as you know) doesn't mean you don't know your addicted.
Lol... come on Hang... I lived in rehab for months. You think I don't know crack heads?
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My bad...it was the FDA and not the AMA.
I sympathize with him...addictions erode the will and fortitude of the sufferer. So, they end up doing things they would not normally do. Ergo, when he couldn't get his legal prescriptions renewed, he went looking for another source.
My dad did the same thing...except he bounced from one doctor to another to get what he wanted...if one drug stopped "working" he found a doctor that would give him what he wanted. Believe me, I know all about medical concoctions.
Your arguments still do not address the fundamental difference between the two types of addiction. To criticize one while suffering from the other is not hypocrisy, your protestations to the contrary notwithstanding.
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Well Shuckins... yeah... lets be reasonable.
You are absolutely right:
"addictions erode the will and fortitude of the sufferer."
For sure. I mean, the thought of illegality and punishment doesn't even enter your mind. You are driven to medicate yourself - pure and simple. Above every other consideration. As if a matter of life and death.
It is what it is.
But I don't know many people who have this struggle, while at the very same time lambasting everyone else who does.
I know one person, now. Who else do you know?
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I feel bad for your dad and hope he found the help he needed.
Rush didn't look for help until he was busted, a jailhouse conversion so to speak. He knew he was breaking the law when he asked, excuse me, ordered his maid get him a hook up, all the while he was preaching on the air about law and order. That's why he's a hypocrite.
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Originally posted by Nash
Lol... come on Hang... I lived in rehab for months. You think I don't know crack heads?
I bow to your superior experience with the condition. I've never been to rehab as a customer. I have no knowledge of their behavior in captivity.
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"She never mentions the word addiction
In certain company"
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I bow to your superior experience with the condition. I've never been to rehab as a customer. I have no knowledge of their behavior in captivity.
Are you being cute?
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Whether my perception of the views of some of you is fair or not, I can't help but find the notion that someone's political views make their physical suffering more palatable to be repugnant.
rpm, thanks for the consideration shown in your last post. Dad had gotten to the point that he seldom got up off the couch and did anything.
Two years ago, he had his hip replaced. The surgeon who removed the old hip said that it looked like a rotten stump. The operation transformed Dad...allowing him to pursue a more active life-style. He's nearly 80 and pretty spry for his age. He has been weaned from most of his drugs and no longer suffers crying fits and stomach cramps.
He's enjoying life again.
Regards, Shuckins
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Nope.
After going through rehab as a father I learned that an addict will say and do anything... absolutely anything; to get to a place where they can regain access to their favorite drug... and be 100% serious and utterly convincing in their lamentations and prostestations regarding their motives, before, during and after.
Tell me.. did rehab 'cure' your addiction.. or did you?
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I couldn't have done it without rehab.
Never even knew those things existed until Funked pointed it out to me.
But man... saved my life.
Those folks know what they are doing.
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Hang, I quit smoking almost a year ago.
I think if you really want to, you can.
The problem is the wanting to quit lol. I enjoyed smoking right up to the last one... decided to quit kinda spur of the moment, and bought the nicotine gum to help with the cravings. That stuff does work.. weaned myself off the nicotine gum by chewing regular gum.
Course... now I'm addicted to chewing gum :).
At least it is sugar free.
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I'm anti-social. Lighting up gets rid of unwanted guests.
and, i enjoy eating smoking nazis.
"you don't like it, don't breathe or get the **** outta my house."
:D
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Originally posted by Eagler
next time pm me..
my wife was out 2 months last year because of her back
at $20 a pop for a script, I'll take them off your hands - even pay shipping :)
Thats a federal crime.:t
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nope
the crime is throwing them away . but thanks for your and rpms concern
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Asides the predictable Rush bashing and Nash rants, you guys are missing the bigger point...the one that even the ACLU sided with Rush on. The authorities *seized* his medical records and went *fishing* for charges. They werent properly taken...and law enforcement isnt supposed to grab your *ahem private* medical records and hope there are some charges that stick based on what they discover. Basing their investigation on a National Enquirer article doesnt sound to me like a shining example of police work.
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nash... are you saying that addicts are not the scourge of the earth? Hell... when I was an addict I knew we were... stilll think so. I think Rush proves his own point.... look how low he has brought himself over the whole thing.
If you were a heroin addict and didn't do things that most here would find unbelieveably lowlife and immoral.... then you either weren't a real addict of your parents supported your habbit... you were shooting from a silver spoon. probly a little of both.
drugs can be a minor inconvienience for people and society or they can be the worst thing that could possibly happen to a person and the people he comes in contact with... one real drug addict can ruin the lives of dozens or even hundreds of people..... nothing else has that potential.
what I find so disgusting nash is you pretending to be offended by a drug addict being a liar and a hypocrite when in your addiction you lied and were a hypocrite every single day... maybe some of these people here are buying your outratge but I think is sucks. I like you less every day.
lazs
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yes sir...good point.
and I have to say....
Those same people that are speaking out against rush would more than likely fully support a group of medicinal marjaiana users that got cought growing pot for medicinal reasons.
this is one thing that is true about the left. The man can appologize. He can pay the price.... but if they don't agree with him politically they will not stop with him untill they have run him through the ringer. It doesn't matter if he is emulating one of their causes, if he is a conservative he's no longer a victom.
In my case, you'd be very, very wrong.
And Grun, you words can be used for both sides of the political cheerleaders, just substitute left for right and that last paragraph fits both ways. Hell you guys still bring up Clinton.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
As I said earlier, some of those who pride themselves on their sensitivity actually have convictions that are only superficial.
You just described most liberals. They have great compassion for everything and everyone, except those who don't think exactly like they do,
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LoL... as opposed to most conservatives who have no compassion at all?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I'm anti-social. Lighting up gets rid of unwanted guests.
and, i enjoy eating smoking nazis.
"you don't like it, don't breathe or get the **** outta my house."
:D
Haha, thats cool. I never was an inside smoker tho, except at my girlfriends.
One thing I really don't like is the way smokers are being treated nowadays. My school stopped selling cigarettes (even though they were gouging to begin with, imo), and there is actually a proposal to ban smoking on campus altogether for "public health reasons".
It is enough to make me want to start smoking again.
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Originally posted by Urchin
LoL... as opposed to most conservatives who have no compassion at all?
So you admit that liberals have no compassion for people who don't think exactly like they do?
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Originally posted by Mr Big
So you admit that liberals have no compassion for people who don't think exactly like they do?
So you admit that most conservatives have no compassion?
Wow, I didn't think I'd ever get anyone to say that.
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Originally posted by LePaul
Asides the predictable Rush bashing and Nash rants, you guys are missing the bigger point...the one that even the ACLU sided with Rush on. The authorities *seized* his medical records and went *fishing* for charges. They werent properly taken...and law enforcement isnt supposed to grab your *ahem private* medical records and hope there are some charges that stick based on what they discover. Basing their investigation on a National Enquirer article doesnt sound to me like a shining example of police work.
Hey you forgot to mention that after they went fishing for a crime they sent Rush the bill for the investigation. Again what private citizen has to put up with this.
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Originally posted by Urchin
So you admit that most conservatives have no compassion?
Wow, I didn't think I'd ever get anyone to say that.
??
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Rush is human and he doesn't pretend not to be. Because he's America's number one rated radio talk host ( for how many years?), and because he is a conservative, he's a target.
Citizen Joe is not gonna get taken to the mat for the same crime.
Nash, how would you feel if you were taken through the ringer and investigated in the same way?
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Originally posted by lazs2
If you were a heroin addict and didn't do things that most here would find unbelieveably lowlife and immoral.... then you either weren't a real addict of your parents supported your habbit... you were shooting from a silver spoon. probly a little of both.
The mighty words of experience.
So, can we assume you perfomed sexual favours for drugs then...being as you were a "real" addict and all?
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Originally posted by Curval
The mighty words of experience.
So, can we assume you perfomed sexual favours for drugs then...being as you were a "real" addict and all?
Maybe you would choose to perform sexual favors, like women addicts.
Men usually just kill and rob.
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o/t...........
Originally posted by lazs2
nash... are you saying that addicts are not the scourge of the earth? Hell... when I was an addict I knew we were... stilll think so. I think Rush proves his own point.... look how low he has brought himself over the whole thing.
If you were a heroin addict and didn't do things that most here would find unbelieveably lowlife and immoral.... then you either weren't a real addict of your parents supported your habbit... you were shooting from a silver spoon. probly a little of both.
drugs can be a minor inconvienience for people and society or they can be the worst thing that could possibly happen to a person and the people he comes in contact with... one real drug addict can ruin the lives of dozens or even hundreds of people..... nothing else has that potential.
what I find so disgusting nash is you pretending to be offended by a drug addict being a liar and a hypocrite when in your addiction you lied and were a hypocrite every single day... maybe some of these people here are buying your outratge but I think is sucks. I like you less every day.
lazs
blah blah blah.... same 'ol. Funny how you come directly at me each and every time I post, no matter what I post, and no matter what the subject is. As if I'm supposed to care. And as if I should be able to even make sense of your... your... I don't even know what to call it anymore.
I certainly don't buy your whole past drug runnin' addict drama persona bs.
You have two things to say, and you use the same 30 or 40 words to say them. Over, and over and over again.
You don't like me, you don't like socialists (which you are constantly getting me confused with), but you like things that go bang and things that go vrooom. That's about it.
And I get it, okay? You object to every single thought I may have. Every single thing about me. Everything I am. Fine! So the eff what? Who CARES? Do you want me to shut up until such time as I come around to saying things that please you? Jesious christ. You're like a gawdamned broken record to me. Or one of those annyoying little lap dogs that bite at your ankles begging for attention.
Again..... You disagree with me. Even object to me. Post after post after post after post after post of you getting all personal touchy feely towards me.... and I get the picture. But what in the world do you expect me to do about that? Should I really be caring about this?
I'm making an exception here even responding to you anymore, sir, but I'll be sure to let you know if there comes a moment when I feel like shedding a tear over you "liking me less every day."
sheesh......
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Nash, you seem like a chick ;)
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I do....?
I edited it out, but that's exactly what I was going to say about lazs. It's like highschool, and he's trying to break up with me every time he responds to something I say. It's retarded.
Nash: blah blah blah.
Lazs: you you you you you you.
It's just bizarre.
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Originally posted by Nash
I do....?
I edited it out, but that's exactly what I was going to say about lazs. It's like highschool, and he's trying to break up with me every time he responds to something I say. It's retarded.
Nash: blah blah blah.
Lazs: you you you you you you.
It's just bizarre.
stop hijacking threads!
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Thread subject: "Poor Rush Arrested again."
Lazs:
nash... are you saying that addicts are not the scourge of the earth? Hell... when I was an addict I knew we were... stilll think so. I think Rush proves his own point.... look how low he has brought himself over the whole thing.
If you were a heroin addict and didn't do things that most here would find unbelieveably lowlife and immoral.... then you either weren't a real addict of your parents supported your habbit... you were shooting from a silver spoon. probly a little of both.
drugs can be a minor inconvienience for people and society or they can be the worst thing that could possibly happen to a person and the people he comes in contact with... one real drug addict can ruin the lives of dozens or even hundreds of people..... nothing else has that potential.
what I find so disgusting nash is you pretending to be offended by a drug addict being a liar and a hypocrite when in your addiction you lied and were a hypocrite every single day... maybe some of these people here are buying your outratge but I think is sucks. I like you less every day.
lazs
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Nash is a chick!
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Originally posted by Mr Big
Maybe you would choose to perform sexual favors, like women addicts.
Men usually just kill and rob.
Really...and how do you know this? Are YOU the voice of experience?
I've seen many movies which show men doing all kinds of things to other men for drugs.
I read in the paper that these junkies are called "rent boys".
I have no personal experience to back this up though.
Lazs said this:
"If you were a heroin addict and didn't do things that most here would find unbelieveably lowlife and immoral.... then you either weren't a real addict of your parents supported your habbit... "
Killing and robbing are indeed lowlife and immoral, but unbelievably so? I think lazs was hinting at something else.