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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on April 30, 2006, 10:20:10 PM
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I swear hollywood will not stop. Nothing is sacred anymore. One of the last bastions of machismo has finally been invaded by homos. I am speaking of The Sopranos. What, did they see all the rave reviews that Brokback got and figure why not work it into the plot line? For real though why did it have to be Sopranos? I don't watch the show to get my hollywood fix of homo subplot I watch it to see the violence, the boobs, and the underworld in general. It's the last place you'd expect it BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they have to devote an entire seasonal subplot to it and worse almost half an eppisode.
Seriously we are talking bout the mafia here and trying selling it:
Time spent on the last guy getting "whacked" about a minute.
Time spent on this stupid subplot ending up with brokeback italiano almost 30 minutes.
Wich do you think I want to tune in to watch?
I'd rather watch arty bucho act like the moron that he is for an entire epp than watch this crap. Is it getting to the point where all shows now have to have some type of token gay subplot?
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This isn't the first time gay stuff was part of the Sopranos. Remember when Meadows bf caught a glimps of some action by accident? I really don't think producer/writer David Chase is going to add a homo sub-plot just to appease Hollywood. I'd be inclined to wait and see how it all fits in; I have always found Sopranos a great series.
Either way, why get so upset Gun?
(I'm not watching it this year; to get it I have to order the entire Movie pkg., which I don't want, so I'll buy the box set of Season 6 when it comes out)
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forgot to add this:
Sopranos Fans (http://www.hbo.com/sopranos/cast/)
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corky romano was a good flick
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Oh brother...get over it. You're really that retardedly upset by anything homosexual that you get all huffy and have to make a ranting post about it? The Sopranos has been loaded with stuff that has nothing to do with "ganstering", but is rather just part of normal life, that the characters deal with in their way, and that's just part of what makes the show interesting.
But clearly, since it's "the gay!!! OH NO!!!", the writers/producers/directors are just pandering and trying to draw in that Brokeback Mountain money. Yeah, that, or it's a continuation of this subplot that started last season...two years ago.
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omg teh g4y is c0m1ng!!!
RUN!!
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To Vito getting whacked, not whacked off by the cook who makes "johhny cakes.
I didnt really care for all the coverage of Vito searching for and finding his next adventure. I don't want to see 2 guys kissing, I'm not homophobic, I'm just not gay.
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Originally posted by Atoon
To Vito getting whacked, not whacked off by the cook who makes "johhny cakes.
I didnt really care for all the coverage of Vito searching for and finding his next adventure. I don't want to see 2 guys kissing, I'm not homophobic, I'm just not gay.
It's called "Look Away"... Use this step for a few moments, then look back... If they're still kissing, cover your eyes say "oh Lord" or whatever, repeat. If they are still at it after a few minutes chances are you're on the wrong channel ;)
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bad gay memories Gunslinger?
get misty when someone else gets some man love?
pop in top gun and rub your gun collection 10 times and you should be ok!
:D
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
This isn't the first time gay stuff was part of the Sopranos. Remember when Meadows bf caught a glimps of some action by accident? I really don't think producer/writer David Chase is going to add a homo sub-plot just to appease Hollywood. I'd be inclined to wait and see how it all fits in; I have always found Sopranos a great series.
Either way, why get so upset Gun?
(I'm not watching it this year; to get it I have to order the entire Movie pkg., which I don't want, so I'll buy the box set of Season 6 when it comes out)
It's the same plot line. The guy that he saw was vito. To me it's just dumb, why work in the homo plot line into the story? Sure it was a good twist at first but then watching two guys roll around in the middle of a field is just too much. It's not about looking away, it took up half the eppisode.
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I wish the entire cast would get wacked and the show would end. I hate The Sopranos with a passion.
Full of freaking drama anyway, it may as well have teh gheys in it.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I swear hollywood will not stop. Nothing is sacred anymore. One of the last bastions of machismo has finally been invaded by homos.
Yea. Its only a matter of time before any TV show breaks down into some personal crusade. I watch baseball and football and the stock market channel. That seems to be safe from this type of garbage.
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Originally posted by Atoon
To Vito getting whacked, not whacked off by the cook who makes "johhny cakes.
I didnt really care for all the coverage of Vito searching for and finding his next adventure. I don't want to see 2 guys kissing, I'm not homophobic, I'm just not gay.
Yea, you dont want this studmuffin crap shoved down your throat just like the rest of us .
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homosexuality is in vogue and to some, being associated with homosexuals is chic. It will change when the pendulum swings again but sadly that will probably be after the US crumbles in upon itself. we have become weak, rampant homosexuality as well as other libertine and hedonistic traits we as a society exhibit are but symptoms of a collective disorder which is rapidly leading to our societal demise.
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Brucie the hitman just don`t sound right. :rofl
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I don't care if there's a Brokeback sub-plot or not. However, it did take up a least a third of the episode. What archs were covered last night? AJ going nuts, Tony not cheating on his wife for once, & Vito's issue trying to find hot fireman love. There's alot of archs they never even touched on. What happened with Artie Bucco? What about the guys that might be terrorists? No fallout from Johnny Sack's breakdown (all it got was 1 sarcastic comment the entire show). Instead, we got to see Vito making out with a fireman. I think they could've done better.
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Originally posted by storch
homosexuality is in vogue and to some, being associated with homosexuals is chic. It will change when the pendulum swings again but sadly that will probably be after the US crumbles in upon itself. we have become weak, rampant homosexuality as well as other libertine and hedonistic traits we as a society exhibit are but symptoms of a collective disorder which is rapidly leading to our societal demise.
(http://www.panos.org.uk/images/features/dotingfathers.jpg)
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i have never watched the Sopranos, i don't really care for fiction, it's all made up, real life is better.
reality, for those who can't handle drugs.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Yea. Its only a matter of time before any TV show breaks down into some personal crusade. I watch baseball and football and the stock market channel. That seems to be safe from this type of garbage.
Not true, I have it on VERY good authority that there are, in fact, gay atheletes! Even in football and baseball. I bet there are gay stock brokers too! :O
Teh g4y is coming!!!! RUN!!!!
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Originally posted by Urchin
Not true, I have it on VERY good authority that there are, in fact, gay atheletes! Even in football and baseball. I bet there are gay stock brokers too! :O
Teh g4y is coming!!!! RUN!!!!
Yes but athelets usually concentrate on the sport itself. A stock broker isn't gonna start making out with another dude in the middle of a news broadcast.....at least not yet.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yes but athelets usually concentrate on the sport itself. A stock broker isn't gonna start making out with another dude in the middle of a news broadcast.....at least not yet.
Not any more likely than a hetero doing the same thing.
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Well, I watched it this morning, and it didn't really stand out for me, except when they kissed. Just can't help but cringe at that, but even so, I don't see how it was something to get worked up over.
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Originally posted by SOB
Well, I watched it this morning, and it didn't really stand out for me, except when they kissed. Just can't help but cringe at that, but even so, I don't see how it was something to get worked up over.
Stay far away from "Six Feet Under". ;)
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LOL, yeah. I watched the first couple of seasons of that...I looked away alot. :)
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Originally posted by SOB
LOL, yeah. I watched the first couple of seasons of that...I looked away alot. :)
Should check out the later stuff... Lauren Ambrose just keeps getting better with age. :)
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I'll do that - I've been meaning to, but my netflix queue has been filled up with other stuff.
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Originally posted by SOB
I'll do that - I've been meaning to, but my netflix queue has been filled up with other stuff.
You really should stop watching that japanime porn stuff. ;)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I swear hollywood will not stop. Nothing is sacred anymore. One of the last bastions of machismo has finally been invaded by homos. I am speaking of The Sopranos. What, did they see all the rave reviews that Brokback got and figure why not work it into the plot line? For real though why did it have to be Sopranos? I don't watch the show to get my hollywood fix of homo subplot I watch it to see the violence, the boobs, and the underworld in general. It's the last place you'd expect it BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they have to devote an entire seasonal subplot to it and worse almost half an eppisode.
Seriously we are talking bout the mafia here and trying selling it:
Time spent on the last guy getting "whacked" about a minute.
Time spent on this stupid subplot ending up with brokeback italiano almost 30 minutes.
Wich do you think I want to tune in to watch?
I'd rather watch arty bucho act like the moron that he is for an entire epp than watch this crap. Is it getting to the point where all shows now have to have some type of token gay subplot?
No matter what anyone else has said here, I agree with ya on this one. It's one thing for him to be gay but do we need the roadside love scene complete with blankets and lunch? Although my son wasn't watching the show with me it had to be that scene he walks in and asked what I was watching, go figure. Told him boys don't hug each other, we shake hands.
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The whole idea of a maffiosi having existential problems and regularly visiting a shrink is already beyond ghey.
It was funny in 'analyse this'...it is painful to watch in the Sopranos. This show is not better than the avg drama soap for wimin.....
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Gun,
I understand your concern, but getting upset about one manifestation of immoral behavior on a series devoted to people doing immoral things doesn't seem all that coherent to me. If I can use a crass analogy, its rather like being in a cesspool and claiming that one poo in particular is making the whole place stink.
Besides, its unfortunately part of the law of diminishing returns. The Sopranos audience has been fed a steady diet of violence, rape, killing, sadism, mutilation, lies, betrayal, adultery, nudity, perversion, fornication, foul language, and the like. If one continues to merely give them more of the same, eventually the shock value begins to wear off, they get numb, and then they get bored, and so to "shock" them some more you have to introduce something new, break yet another traditional taboo, push the envelope a little further (although there is precious little envelope left.) They only have a few cards left in the deck (cannibal gangster anyone?) but you can expect most of them to get played before the series is through.
Anyway, once the initial barriers go down and a society becomes innured to decadence, there really is no way to say "this far and no farther," suddenly introducing standards when you've blown up the entire concept becomes ludicrous (or Ludacris if we are talking musik).
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by deSelys
The whole idea of a maffiosi having existential problems and regularly visiting a shrink is already beyond ghey.
It was funny in 'analyse this'...it is painful to watch in the Sopranos. This show is not better than the avg drama soap for wimin.....
Sopranos had the premise first though. First episode was January 1999. Analyze this was released in March same year.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
They only have a few cards left in the deck (cannibal gangster anyone?)
Anything like a cannibal pygmy SG?
Two warriors from a cannalbilistic pygmy tribe nabbed an unsuspecting adventurer. They took their catch to the communal pot, built a fire and prepared their feast.
After digging in on their meal the 1st pygmy asked the second " How you doing over there?"
Second pygmy responded with.."Oh man, I`m having a ball"
1st pygmy said.."Well slow down. You are eating too fast.". :D
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Gun,
I understand your concern, but getting upset about one manifestation of immoral behavior on a series devoted to people doing immoral things doesn't seem all that coherent to me. If I can use a crass analogy, its rather like being in a cesspool and claiming that one poo in particular is making the whole place stink.
Besides, its unfortunately part of the law of diminishing returns. The Sopranos audience has been fed a steady diet of violence, rape, killing, sadism, mutilation, lies, betrayal, adultery, nudity, perversion, fornication, foul language, and the like. If one continues to merely give them more of the same, eventually the shock value begins to wear off, they get numb, and then they get bored, and so to "shock" them some more you have to introduce something new, break yet another traditional taboo, push the envelope a little further (although there is precious little envelope left.) They only have a few cards left in the deck (cannibal gangster anyone?) but you can expect most of them to get played before the series is through.
Anyway, once the initial barriers go down and a society becomes innured to decadence, there really is no way to say "this far and no farther," suddenly introducing standards when you've blown up the entire concept becomes ludicrous (or Ludacris if we are talking musik).
- SEAGOON
Leave it to the preacher to ruin a good rant based on a sound moral high ground argument. ;) :aok
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
You really should stop watching that japanime porn stuff. ;)
NEVAR! Or at least not until I've finished the Mecha Hentai Bukakke Tentacle Rape Series.
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Originally posted by Urchin
omg teh g4y is c0m1ng!!!
RUN!!
2 Also posted by Urchin
Not true, I have it on VERY good authority that there are, in fact, gay atheletes! Even in football and baseball. I bet there are gay stock brokers too! teh g4y is coming, run!
Things that make you go Hmmmm. I wonder if it's already here........
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The show has gone soft, the whole broke back gumba things is just annoying and un-gangster.
Maybe they're trying to clown the real mob in some Freudian way.
At least Huff is still great as always.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Leave it to the preacher to ruin a good rant based on a sound moral high ground argument. ;) :aok
LOL! Karma Kickback. ;)
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Originally posted by Seagoon
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Besides, its unfortunately part of the law of diminishing returns. The Sopranos audience has been fed a steady diet of violence, rape, killing, sadism, mutilation, lies, betrayal, adultery, nudity, perversion, fornication, foul language, and the like. If one continues to merely give them more of the same, eventually the shock value begins to wear off, they get numb, and then they get bored, and so to "shock" them some more you have to introduce something new
Gotta disagree. I like The Sopranos, and its never been about shock value. Its about re-living memories of the sinful ways of my youth, with the attendant warm/fuzzy way that makes me feel :t
I'm not outraged or anything like that about this season, but I'm getting tired of waiting for the boyz to find Vito and whack him in some gruesome way. The show needs to return to its strengths :D
culero
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Hi Culero,
Originally posted by culero
Gotta disagree. I like The Sopranos, and its never been about shock value. Its about re-living memories of the sinful ways of my youth, with the attendant warm/fuzzy way that makes me feel :t
Actually even the cast, producers, and writers have written about consciously using images and events to "shock" the audience. For instance, there was a lot of discussion about how graphic the rape scene involving "Dr. Melfi" was and there was a perception especially amongst critics that they had "gone too far," so the response was to tone down the violence and add more plot line the next season. The response to the "kinder, gentler" season was uniformly negative -- "someone needs to get whacked!" said the viewers. Accordingly the menu was once again changed, to suit the viewer's jaded palate.
Now don't get me wrong, nobody is saying that the Sopranos is just about shocking the audience with graphic images and language, obviously its well acted, the characters are interesting and well developed, and with a few rare exceptions the plotlines are well constructed. What people are noting however is that at one time, a show like the Sopranos would have been universally villified. Not only because it dwells on that which is low, base, carnal, and depraved about people, but because the show itself is uniformly amoral in its presentation of these elements. These are things that are not good or bad, they just are. The show is one long presentation of is and whenever ought comes up, it is almost always subjective, baseless, and hypocritical. If there is any "ought" at all, the audience is lead to conclusions that cut across the grain of any coherent ethical system. Big Puss needs to get whacked because he betrayed his friends by helping the police and he could get our anti-hero, Tony, whom we like, in trouble. We make this decision without considering that we are actually saying Big Puss needs to be brutally murdered because he was helping law enforcement to shut down an illegal racket. It's akin to rooting for a mass murdering drug lord like Pablo Escobar instead of the police.
We buy this criminal anti-ethic because we are encouraged to pretend we are friends of the anti-hero, but we don't stop to consider what the universal application of such a system to society would look like or if we would actually fare very well under it.
I don't often quote Bill Buckley, mostly because I find his writing style to be absurdly pretentious, but he got it mostly right when he wrote the following about the Sopranos way back in 2001:
The experience (not new; I had seen most of Year One) was instructive for technical and artistic reasons (the program is justly acclaimed for polish, ingenuity, and superlative acting), but is most interesting in its confirmation of the psychological depravity of the viewing audience. They see it (we see it) because of its shock value as exhibitionistic entertainment, but the question arises: Does it tell us more about the awful human behavior, or about the disposition to transform depictions of it into rip-roaring entertainment?
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The wonder isn't that The Sopranos is so marvelously conceived and executed, but that it is so widely viewed and enjoyed without any hint of concern over the depravity it relies upon. A search of newspaper notices given to it on the opening of its third season (my search was not exhaustive, but not tailored either) reveals not one question, let alone reproach, on the matter of the arrant exploitation of sex, exhibitionism, murder, sadism, cynicism, and hypocrisy. ... And we wonder about public indifference to crime and lechery and workaday infamy.
BTW - click here for a look at what the Sopranos would look like without the offensive elements (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3099970337492312880&q=sopranos&pl=true)
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Hi Culero,
Actually even the cast, producers, and writers have written about consciously using images and events to "shock" the audience.
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LOL Seagoon :)
I meant that *I* am not shocked by any of it....I agree its meant to shock...
culero (sorry you misunderstood and went to all that work ;))
PS - thanks for the link, got some laffs there :D