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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Furball on May 01, 2006, 04:16:34 AM
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(http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/milestones-of-flight/aircraft/images/1945/1945-6100-1-G-Meteor-III.jpg)
(http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14speedchart.jpg)
(http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14climbchart.jpg)
graphs from http://www.spitfireperformance.com
The Meteor III is superior to the Tempest V in almost all departments. If it were not for the heaviness of its ailerons and the consequent poor maneuverability in the rolling plane, and the adverse effect of snaking on it as a gun platform, it would be a comparable all-round fighter with greatly increased performance.
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Hmmm, the figures for the Hornet are much more impressive, it spanks the Mustang and Spit performance wise and outclimbs the Meteor! Sadly it isn't a WWII aircraft.
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Yeah, if i remember correctly, the Hornet was the fastest prop driven aircraft to see service with the RAF (472mph). Was basically a smaller, lighter, single seat Mosquito.
(http://www.vflintham.demon.co.uk/aircraft/hornet/horn20r.jpg)
(http://www.vflintham.demon.co.uk/aircraft/hornet/horncov.jpg)
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did they ever put griffons in the hornet? man that thing is a major crotch rocket lol, quite amazing
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lol is it flying with one prop feathered in the top pic?
Bozon
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Hi Furball,
>"The Meteor III is superior to the Tempest V in almost all departments. If it were not for the heaviness of its ailerons and the consequent poor maneuverability in the rolling plane, and the adverse effect of snaking on it as a gun platform, it would be a comparable all-round fighter with greatly increased performance."
Quite interesting, I didn't know about the poor roll rate before! This quote doesn't appear to be from the Spitfireperformance site, though?
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Originally posted by HoHun
Quite interesting, I didn't know about the poor roll rate before! This quote doesn't appear to be from the Spitfireperformance site, though?
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
quote is from here http://www.vectorsite.net/avmeteor.html
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Originally posted by Pooface
did they ever put griffons in the hornet? man that thing is a major crotch rocket lol, quite amazing
Nope.
They used two late model Merlin 130/131 @ 2080HP each (double the HP of the original Merlin II in spit I's) , props rotated different directions, hence 2 different engine model numbers.
Protoype exceeded 480mph in level flight.
Compare to a Spiteful with a 2420HP Griffon 101 - 494mph.
Highest ever HP for a Merlin -
Rolls Royce ran one at 2640HP for 15 mins in 1944.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Nope.
They used two late model Merlin 130/131 @ 2080HP each (double the HP of the original Merlin II in spit I's) , props rotated different directions, hence 2 different engine model numbers.
Protoype exceeded 480mph in level flight.
Compare to a Spiteful with a 2420HP Griffon 101 - 494mph.
Highest ever HP for a Merlin -
Rolls Royce ran one at 2640HP for 15 mins in 1944.
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
lol, those are some mighty fine engines lol
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All down to Rolls Royce quality control.
They would randomly pull a engine off the production line, and run it to destruction.
Find out what part failed and redesign or strengthen it.
Repeat as neccessary.
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I think it was in the med that one pilot ran on panic boost for a good part of his flight. (30 mins plus). Engine was checked properly - no damage at all.
Anyway, the Merlin IS one fine engine and the sound.oooohhhh :)
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Originally posted by bozon
lol is it flying with one prop feathered in the top pic?
Bozon
Looks that way to me too :eek:
To save fuel for long ops?
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i dont think you save any gas running single engine.
asymetric thrust probably adds a lot of drag & you give up half of your propwash over the wing bonus lift.
i'd bet demonstrating single engine performance.
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yeah, he likely feathered one to show off. they did that a lot in the mossie too.
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Originally posted by Debonair
i dont think you save any gas running single engine.
asymetric thrust probably adds a lot of drag & you give up half of your propwash over the wing bonus lift.
i'd bet demonstrating single engine performance.
Have to look it up but I do believe they actually did this in the Hornet to save fuel. Besides stupefying performance Hornets had an enormous range as well. They had the same high speed airfoil design as the Meteor too. Again form memory, will dive in my library tonight.
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Would doubt so.
Up to 80% of the thrust can go to keeping the trim.
Many twin engined aircraft don't even fly on one engine.
Much better to have a modest cruise setting.
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Originally posted by Angus
Would doubt so.
Up to 80% of the thrust can go to keeping the trim.
Many twin engined aircraft don't even fly on one engine.
Much better to have a modest cruise setting.
dont think so. if you feather the prop, you dont really need to increase the power with the other engine, as the drag is reduced by quite a lot.
i heard lots of p38 pilots cut and feathered an engine over the pacific to save fuel:)
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Originally posted by Pooface
dont think so. if you feather the prop, you dont really need to increase the power with the other engine, as the drag is reduced by quite a lot.
i heard lots of p38 pilots cut and feathered an engine over the pacific to save fuel:)
Common practice with the P38s.
Image of Corky Smith bringing in "CorkyJr" with one engine feathered. He'd been in a big fight near Rabaul and gotten his 5th kill. He had to feather an engine to conserve fuel to make it home.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1146585198_corky.jpg)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Common practice with the P38s.
Image of Corky Smith bringing in "CorkyJr" with one engine feathered. He'd been in a big fight near Rabaul and gotten his 5th kill. He had to feather an engine to conserve fuel to make it home.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1146585198_corky.jpg)
thought so. dan, you're amazing lol, you're like a walking talking dictionary, im amazed that you know so much about, well, everything!
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:aok
would be nice to have a gloster
hap
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Hi Furball,
>quote is from here http://www.vectorsite.net/avmeteor.html
Great link, thanks! :-)
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Common practice with the P38s.
Image of Corky Smith bringing in "CorkyJr" with one engine feathered. He'd been in a big fight near Rabaul and gotten his 5th kill. He had to feather an engine to conserve fuel to make it home.
thats quite a surprise.
a lot different a technique than the Lindberg method
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They must have used quite a lot of gas on low power then.
Well the feathering makes a lot of difference.
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Hi Dan,
>Image of Corky Smith bringing in "CorkyJr" with one engine feathered. He'd been in a big fight near Rabaul and gotten his 5th kill. He had to feather an engine to conserve fuel to make it home.
Hm. Are you sure it isn't battle damage? He has feathered the port engine, which is the one with the generator on most P-38s.
From the P-38 manual:
"CAUTION:
On all airplanes, except F-5B, P-38L, and late P-38J airplanes which have a generator on each engine, shut down the right-hand engine so that the generator which is on the left engine will remain in operation."
Regards,
Henning (HoHun)
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Great idea, lets have the Meteor in AH.
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I would vote for it.
Teach these silly german jets a thing or two.
Bruv
~S~
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Common practice with the P38s.
Image of Corky Smith bringing in "CorkyJr" with one engine feathered. He'd been in a big fight near Rabaul and gotten his 5th kill. He had to feather an engine to conserve fuel to make it home.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/861_1146585198_corky.jpg)
Well he better turn that engine back on QUICK to taxi , or else he will be doing dounuts for ages just like in AH :D