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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: rogerdee on May 03, 2006, 10:46:24 AM
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guys i know i for one have done a few sins for the same plane and i was thinking as the level of skinning is increasingand the numbers of skins for planes fill up,wouldnt it be fair if a skin was removed from a skinner who say had 5 of the same aircraft done.
eg 15 p51skins say 6 donr by the same person another skinner produces a skin of equal or better quality then i think it should replace on of the other skinners skin.
i know we all take time and pride in our work but couldt there be away to see if a skin is used inthe game and then the lowet one out of the 6 be swaped for the new skinners one.
i am just thinking of ways to get everyone a fair crack of the whip
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Or we could have people skin something other than the American fighters... :D Don't get me wrong, some great work coming out, but some of them have pretty much been done to death. P-51D is just about maxed out if its not already, and both the P-38s and P-47s have quite a few. Even the P-40E is just about full The buffs still have a lot of room though, especially with the redone B-17 just come out .I had 2 P-38s I was doing and walked away from. I realized there was just no need for them.
I think theres a whole dozen skins between the 6 Bf109 variants, most of which are either Krusty or Ravens works. 190s are looking better, but most of them have come from Krusty too. We shouldn't have to rely on one guy to fill out a whole planes skin selection.
Virtually nothing for the Russian planes, or the Italian fighters. Spits are filling out nicely, but theres not much else you can do with the Hurris. Not much to work with on the Japanese side either unfortunately :(
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The fact that they were all done by the same person says nothing about the skin itself, the quality of the skin, the attractiveness of the skin, etc.
I don't like that idea. What if one person did 5 p51Ds but they are all the BEST p51Ds? The most colorful, the most unique, etc? Would it do any good to remove one of these for a bland replacement? I think not.
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I think the choice of skins should be solely based on quality first regardless of how many are done by the same person. For example, Kev may do quite a few Spitfire skins but the quality of those skins is excellent.
Every one wants to do Ami planes it seems, after all the AH player base is mostly Ami's. It was pretty much a given that the P-51D skins slots would fill up fast. The level of 'competition' in producing the best P-51D schemes is high. If these slots get filled by one or two folks then as long as the quality is good I don't see a problem. The issue of 'quality' being decided by HTC, after all it's their game.
Personally, I limit myself to just 2 per type. I get to bored beyond that.
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I agree, quality comes first. Want your skins to be used in game? Make em better than anyone elses.
:)
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Quality is definitly important...but so is variation.
One of the planes... (p47d11 i believe but i'm not sure) has a series of aircraft from the same squadron done by the same individual. They're very nice...but they look like the same plane with a different code put on the side... Panel lines and paint color and everything else appear to be pretty much the same.
In such a case it's my opinon that 3 out of those 4 skins ought to be the first to be rotated out so we get something fresh and new.
Just because they were the first submitted, doesn't mean they ought stay forever. Ya know what I mean?
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Just because they were the first submitted, doesn't mean they ought stay forever.
That's not how it works.
What other D-11 have been submitted to replace those 3? It all should depend on quality.
As for schemes looking alike, well in real life they did. Some folks will skin a plane just because it's different. I rather see quality skins done of representive aircraft rather then get stuck with 15 the rainbow bright odd balls. :p
If you prefer a different D-11 scheme then do one and send it in...
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There's a ton of room left in the P47D-11 stable for skins as well. No need to get all worried about it.
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I'm not really worried... far from it actually...
It was just an example that came to mind.
Like I said they were quality skins. But if the opportunity for other quality skins that also happened to offer a bit of variation...well... I think that's a better option.
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Since I am the person who did the P-47D11 skins, a word of explaination might be in order.
With the upcoming (eventually) Combat Tour there is a need for planes of different time periods and from the 8th AF. Your multi colored Pacific planes are useless to CT. The three P-47s from the 334th FS of the 4th FG are each from a different time period and are 8th AF based.
One is "Miss Dallas" flown by Vic France from Spring 1943, it has a yellow band around the insignia.
One is "Salem Representative" flown by "Kid" Hofer from Late Summer early Fall 1943, it has a red band around the insignia.
The last 334th FS P-47 is a request by Treize69 and FlyinFin that I do Beeson's P-47 Boise Bee. It is from January 1944.
I can guarrantee you that the paint scheme of each plane is individualized. The color of the planes are different. The wear of the paint is different. The chips are different and the stains are different. Each has different nose art.
The 335th FS P-47 is that of 4th FG Commander Col Donald Blakeslee. As one of the greatest leaders of the 8th AF he deserves a plane in the planeset somewhere IMHO. I will grant you that it has the same base color as that of Beeson's but that is because it was from the same time period. However the paint wear, chips and other stains are completely different.
I will concur the panel lines are the same as the Republic people had by that time learned the assembly line technique of mass production.
:rofl
You want different planes in any plane set, well learn to skin.
Its a bloody time consuming process and I could have cut corners and just changed the plane codes and nose art. But I took the time to do it right. Take 5 mins and actually look at the planes before you come in here and start spouting off about them being exactly alike.
I hate to break it to everyone but the vast majority of aircraft flown in combat were not the brightly painted clown type planes everyone seems to prefer.
I can guarrantee that the P-47 skins are flown daily by the guys in the 4th FG which is more than you can say about quite a few fine skins.
I personally fly the P-51 alot. I keep mental track of the other skins I see and I can tell you that at least half of them I have never seen flown. Now, I am not saying that they should be removed because I have never seen them. Some if not most of the P-51s have been in there for 8 months now. Coincidently some of those that have been there longest are the ones that you never see in the arena. Dunno what the reason for that is, but there you go. They are all fine skins.
I also don't think that just because Machnix (heavens, I named names) has 6 P-51 skins he should have some removed.
However I think that planes should be rotated. Look at LOU IV. Fester was doing that but the P-51D plane set filled up so he did not complete or submitt it to the best of my knowledge. (I hope I am wrong here)
I guarrantee that it would look better than some of the other P-51 skins. Should they get bumped? No. Someone spent time on them and they were good enough when HTC accepted them. What HTC should do is either expand the plane set numbers or rotate them and that rotation should occur about every 2 months.
Cheers.
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I am nothing but a lurker in this forum, though I visit regularly to see the fantastic work you guys do. The skins add SO much to the game!
About the thread's main question -- the artist doesnt matter, the product does. If we applied the logic Roger's using to an art museum, we could pull all those Monets because it isnt fair that one guy should dominate teh gallery.....:rofl :rofl
Making skins of this quality requires folks who really care about their subject....and I think thats why certain guys do work on certain planes. I'm in Fencer's squad, and I can tell you he is a BIG time 4th Fighter Group history buff; those are the skins he's going to have a passion to do. Do we seriously want less of a good product because he likes that subject?
A change of pace can be good, like how some plastic modellers will leave the planes for a bit to try a tank. IF the designer wants to try a different subject, he should go for it!
But, MAKING someone do a skin he doesnt care about just to balance the skin supply is not a recipe for good products.
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Still need more 38J 475th skins. Only 1 of those. :cry
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First... an apology to Fencer.
Fencer... I get the impression from your response that I got under you skin a little with my comment. Please note, that was not my intention. As I said before, they are quality skins. I have no doubt that you spent hours researching them, selecting exactly what ones you chose, and then exicuting them with mastery. I'd say more but it would just come off like ankle humping.
You want different planes in any plane set, well learn to skin.
What can I say... those who can't, critique. I'm going to start dabbling... but for the life of me when I look at the bmp's I can't tell which side is up... so I'm pretty much screwed.
Take 5 mins and actually look at the planes before you come in here and start spouting off about them being exactly alike.
I don't know if I'd call what I said spouting... but if u think it was, then again I'm sorry. In hindsight, what I feel I did was made an over generailzation to make my point that I prefer the option of variation... thats all. Just an opinion. But it came off bad... and I'm sorry.
Hope you understand. <>
-DYNAMITE
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Just to be clear... I AM NOT TRYING TO STIR SOME $#@!@#! :) I've passed my apology on to Fencer (See above)... I'm just posting this because the question was posed in this thread...
What other D-11 have been submitted to replace those 3? It all should depend on quality.
I checked the AH skin page and counted about 15 in the Que... and no they're not all Rainbow-Warriors Bruno. :p
http://www.ah-skins.com/skins/fighters/american/P-47D-11.html
On a side note... is there a rotation schedule policy for skins in place for AH2? Because if there is, this whole discussion is pretty much moot. Just curious.
Thanks...
And one more time in case it wasn't clear before Fencer... Sorry if I offended. :)
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The AH skin department site doesn't necesarily mean that those skins are 'in que'. Any one can upload a skin there, that doesn't mean its been submitted to HTC. Just check the dates on some of those...
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DOH!:O
Well I feel sheepish... :lol
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Originally posted by gnubee
Just to be clear... I AM NOT TRYING TO STIR SOME $#@!@#! :) I've passed my apology on to Fencer (See above)... I'm just posting this because the question was posed in this thread...
And one more time in case it wasn't clear before Fencer... Sorry if I offended. :)
Gnubee I may have over reacted. You were unfortunate enough to pick at a "Krusty" scab. :rofl
The thing is the planes are not exactly the same.
No harm no foul. Don't worry about it. Sorry if I was too vocal in my reply.
Cheers,