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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Voss on October 19, 2001, 05:25:00 AM
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It's beginning to look more-and-more like an internal/domestic terrorist, perhaps another lunatic, but an American just the same. Anyone have any idea who would target the media, AND Congress? Must be someone pissed off about Gore losing the election, or some other idiotic reason.
Anyone think this is really related to bin Laden?
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Super Hangtime thread deciphering "Shinin" mode "ON".
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Voss:
Anyone think this is really related to bin Laden?
Yes, I do.
I think your statement is idiotic considering the events of 9/11.
[ 10-19-2001: Message edited by: Eagler ]
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Voss might not be that far off, here's why......
A.) The letter that is suspected to have caused the AMI/Florida outbreak was addressed to Jennifer Lopez/Care of The Sun. It takes a very subtle understanding of our Pop Culture to know that sending something like that to a tabloid almost guarantees it getting opened and examined. An understanding that I don't think foriegn terrorists would have nor care to have. Also, the letter is said to have been very similiar in construction to the letter in the first 10 pages of the book "The Vector". Seems a certain domestic terrorist had a how to book with him also.
B.) The Targets....Specific and limited. Specific to Major Media outlets and to only (so far) certain high ranking government officials.
Again, if it was foriegn Islamic terrorists...their goal is to kill as many westerners as possible and as shockingly as possible. But here we have a very limited attack and very specific and consistent with its targeting.
Here we have a very limited (so far), narrowly focused list of targets. Not the usual indiscriminate, as shocking as you can make it, fundamentalist attack.
Normally the terrorists would expend everything they have in a massive blow so they are sure to get the full impact before they are caught or found out. This campaign is very subtle and quiet. Not the usual MO.
Here, someone is trying to de-stabilize our way of doing business, not so much our way of life, but our way of conducting business and disrupt our routine. But in a specific and subtle way.
I guess what I'm saying is I wouldn't rule out Domestic sources. Your suspect list could run the political spectrum though, from Louis Ferrakahn's Nation of Islam to Right Wing Militia and Hate Groups.
What would be idiotic is to only focus on one possible suspect or group at the exclusion of all else.
[ 10-19-2001: Message edited by: Cobra ]
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20011019-241593.htm (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20011019-241593.htm)
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yea, it might be a US citizen then again how many "US citizens" are also members of a terrorist cell. Don't you think there are US born and raised members of such cells? I do. And I think they would know exactly how the average American thinks and acts. What better way to spread the fear than to attack just who they did, the talking heads of America, the media & our "brave" represenatives in DC who hauled bellybutton for a 5 day weekend at the 1st chance they got.
As I've stated in other threads, I don't think attack was meant to kill, just disrupt, terrorize and keep us in a downward spiral. Maybe turn us on ourselves and neighbors.
Seems to be working to me ...
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On the Letterman show last night John McCain pointed his finger at.....Iraq.
Lol he also had a joke for us:
What's Usama bin Laden going to be for Halloween?
DEAD! :D
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Originally posted by Eagler:
yea, it might be a US citizen then again how many "US citizens" are also members of a terrorist cell.
At least one...his name was Timothy McVeigh.
The 9/11 terrorists did not want to understand us....just kill as many of us as possible.
This anthrax thing has a different feel to it. It's too subtle and too limited in its targets.
Eagler, you asked what better way to spread fear than attack the targets they did....think on this.
Why are these attacks so small. If they really wanted to disrupt as you say, then why not send letters all on the same day to most of Capital Hill. Talk about shocking and disruptive!
If it was bigger, it would ensure a downward spiral. And at the very minimum, it would ensure that ALL of Washington would be shut down, and a hell of alot longer than just 5 days.
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Originally posted by weazel:
On the Letterman show last night John McCain pointed his finger at.....Iraq.
Lol he also had a joke for us:
What's Usama bin Laden going to be for Halloween?
DEAD! :D
I did like his "Profiles in Courage" comment regarding the long weekend on Capital Hill this week.
Cobra
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Actually if they had REALLY wanted to shut the US down they'd of mailed 1000 letters each to a diff city or town. There chances of getting a major outbreak would have been MUCH better. As it was being so limited it was easy to track down, isolate, & control.
Misdirection? What are they setting up while we are busy being worried about anthrax?
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Anthrax is a media disease. The cure is a simple one. Turn the channel.
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Originally posted by Eagler:
Yes, I do.
I think your statement is idiotic considering the events of 9/11.
[ 10-19-2001: Message edited by: Eagler ]
Jesus, Eagler, get over yourself. :rolleyes:
I believe the timing is coincidental, and your prejudice and desires for vengeance have made you blind to the obvious. I'm not ruling out any of the points you have made, but I find them lacking in substance.
I could be mistaken, but idiotic? Man, you smack of ego and ignorance...
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Hehe Creamo. :)
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Originally posted by Voss:
Jesus, Eagler, get over yourself. :rolleyes:
I believe the timing is coincidental, and your prejudice and desires for vengeance have made you blind to the obvious. I'm not ruling out any of the points you have made, but I find them lacking in substance.
I could be mistaken, but idiotic? Man, you smack of ego and ignorance...
yes, I was out of line. Guess the thought of a fellow American doing it turns my stomach but after McVie, I should know anything is possible..
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Originally posted by easymo:
Anthrax is a media disease. The cure is a simple one. Turn the channel.
No toejam!
The media imbeciles stop most coverage of anything else and harp on a TREATABLE disease that has killed only ONE person in the entire country.
They arguably have caused MORE terror than the 9/11 attacks, irresponsible journalism at it's worst.
Flavor of the week reporting <or day> just plain sucks!
I'm glad there are alternatives like the ITN network so I don't have to watch only US network news.
Do America a favor, tune em out and send email letting them and their commercial sponsors know you will be boycotting them unless they change. :cool:
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Erhm...
2 months ago the news was reporting on around the world baloon trips by some bored billionares.
A letter is sent to the Senate majority leader (among others) containing (hello?) ANTHRAX and you think this is unewsworthy? Just what about this do you think should not be reported on?
"Today there was yet another shark attack in the waters of Florida... <cough> Oh yah, by the way, there was also this other little incident where some Anthrax or something mighta been sent to Brokaw or someone that winded up infecting his assistant with the disease. Someone somewhere else mighta died from it, who knows... apparently this thing is starting to happen quite a bit... but anyways, in other news, still nobody knows where that missing intern is and Condit still refuses to admit he was shaggin' her."
It's really interesting to me...
A plane goes down. BIG news.
A plane goes down as a result of hijackers. BIG news.
FOUR planes go down as a result of hijackers. Ok, starting to get weird....
FOUR planes go down as a result of hijackers, wiping out the WTC and putting a big dent in the Pentagon. Ok... THIS is too much...
It is just far too unimaginable to grasp. Ya just can't digest something like that. It is totally beyond comprehension.
It's the kinda thing that throws people's compasses right out of whack. It's life altering. Some start cheering and pointing fingers, some start beating the toejam out of any "rag head" they see, others start deciding not to go outside.
And this is another example (to a lesser degree, but still). You got a guy a few odd heartbeats away from the Presidency getting sent Anthrax, you got businesses, agencies, and bodies of government getting shut down while a bunch of guys in space suits rush in. And for some reason, the media is like satan for mentioning this?
Compared to four planes going down as a result of hijackers and wiping out the WTC and putting a big dent in the Pentagon... it might not seem like a big deal. What would? But our toejam has been totally knocked off center, we're acting pretty irrationally sometimes and saying some pretty irrational things. It's totally understandable, however.. but just as long as you know. :)
Biological attacks on US citizens is newsworthy.
[ 10-20-2001: Message edited by: Nash ]
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oh crap I agree with Nash :)
I think it's our mentality of instant satisfaction which allows us to be bored so quickly even when www3 maybe starting...
I think the news goes overboard but what do you expect for these 24/7 newschannels, they need to fill the time between commericials somehow. I'd rather hear about the bio attack we are under than see the slim Gary Con-dick smiling his grinch smile into the camera..
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Originally posted by Eagler:
oh crap I agree with Nash :)
I think it's our mentality of instant satisfaction which allows us to be bored so quickly even when www3 maybe starting...
I think the news goes overboard but what do you expect for these 24/7 newschannels, they need to fill the time between commericials somehow. I'd rather hear about the bio attack we are under than see the slim Gary Con-dick smiling his grinch smile into the camera..
Anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,antharx,anthrax,
anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,antharx,anthrax,
anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,antharx,
anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,antharx,
anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,antharx,
anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,antharx,
anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,antharx,
anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,antharx,
anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,anthrax,antharx, anthrax,anthrax.
Did you read everyone of those lines?
I doubt it, when the media says the same thing over and over and over don't you get just - a - bit tired of it?
I would much rather have balanced journalism, as for it being newsworthy, sure it is - but not at the expense of other news.
I don't have 24/7 news channels so I get a full dose of the medias wringing of hands because they have been attacked.
Wahhhhh their out to get US! :rolleyes:
If it hadn't been sent to Brokaw or ABC news it probably wouldn't recieve half the attention, it would already be a footnote on their broadcasts.
I worry more about being hit by a meteorite and dieing than I do about contracting anthrax, they play right into the terrorists hands with their endless harping and spreading of panic.
Irresponsible journalism at it's worst.
[ 10-20-2001: Message edited by: weazel ]
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Anthrax is ok...they really died out after the 80's. They on tour again?
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I've got a brother in the television news business. He refers to CNN as the Communist News Network, and says that is its common name in the business. When FOX came out with their own version of CNN, it was so different from CNN that it became known as the Right Wing News, even though they STILL have a slant to the left (it's not as bad as Turner's). Hmm, I've never asked him what they think of MSNBC...
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Anthrax!!
Hey, It keeps the ratings up. Highter ratings = more money.
You have a better chance to win the lottery than die from Anthrax.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel:
Anthrax is ok...they really died out after the 80's. They on tour again?
n-ch-n-ch-not
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Put me in the "domestic terrorist" camp, too. I know some guys around where I live that think 9/11 wasn't a bad thing- and they aren't Arab. I don't think it is coincidental either. I do believe it is opportunistic. What a perfect stage to get whatever agenda you want aired!
I also believe it is not in bin Laden's best interests to start germ warfare, either. He is trying to cull Arab world favor at the moment, and starting global germ warfare is no way to do it. His success in getting Arab support is dependent on regaining "victimhood". You can't get that by indiscriminately killing people in a method that threatens to launch WWIII.
He made his intitial strike, now all he has to do is wait America out. He knows world support for sustained campaigns against Afghanistan won't last and that America has already declared it would pursue to the end. Now either America follows through with what they have publicly said (and perhaps ultimately do so alone) or they back off and lose face, making bin Laden look good.
Nope, smart thing for bin Laden is to sit back and take it for a while. Keep airing reports of all the civilians that are dying, show pictures of crying mothers and starving children and see how long the world stays on America's side... if germ warfare can be credibly attributed to bin Laden it will only harden world resolve to get him at all costs.
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You make a good point Kieren.
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The reports over here said about letters with anthrax found in Argentina and, I believe, India. It makes no sense (from a terrorist POV) to send 1 letter at a time as they could have mailed hundreds to dozens of cities - you guys do get junk mail, don't you? Plus, anthrax is a "dead end" thing, it's not transmitted from person to person. No "outbreak" possible. Looks like a deranged individual to me.
FBI or the police would need to shoot the swine on sight though when they catch him - there'll be a queue of lawyers pleading his insanity or some other excuse...