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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mr Big on May 05, 2006, 10:34:14 PM
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How would you feel if the US passed a law that stated: Anyone caught hiring an illegal alien will be lynched?
But, the illegal alien who was hired would be lynched as well.
Sounds fair to me.
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If it was a law, then it wouldn't be "lynching".
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Originally posted by eagl
If it was a law, then it wouldn't be "lynching".
I stand corrected. ;), maybe.
If it was a law, then lynching would be lawful.
Lazs wants to lynch the people who hire illegals. I want to have all the laws enforced.
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NUKE why the name change? hired any "Ill Eagles" lately?
:D
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
NUKE why the name change? hired any "Ill Eagles" lately?
:D
Mac
I was bad. I said mp3 was a cheese richard. That got me banned.
Now I'm just a shade of my former self.
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The way I see it...
Asking lazs anything is like poking some glassed-in reptile at some road side attraction. You don't do it to derive anything meaningful, you do it to see how it will react.
There are only two things you need to know about lazs, from which you can chart his entire philosophy as certain as the steady and calculable growth of moss. Here are those two things:
Lazs likes guns, and lazs likes cars. Et Voila! That's it.
Now work backwards from that, and you've essentially got it covered. What does X or Y or Z mean to him is the same thing as asking what will X or Y or Z mean to his toys.
War in Iraq? How does it effect me at the pump? Monarchy in America? How does it effect my gun collection? It's incredible what he turns the other way for. His world view is as dimensional as a piece of paper super-glued to the floor. His complexity just absent, and nuance reduced to habitual knee-jerking turrets victimhood.
I find the guy to be the AH BBS poster boy epitome of a man child.
So what was the question again? Oh yeah:
"Lazs, How would you feel...."
This oughta be good.
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Hell NUKE that isn't as half bad as I did 4 years ago...
I didn't know Pyro and we bumped heads and I was liquored up like BGB on a payday night...overloaded my arse and spewl forth words I regret. Nothing happened until the next day, Hung over as Hell and Dale was online...well I told Dale about this guy Pyro and what I said....
Dales reply: "That's it!"
Fade to Black.... dam what's wrong with my puter? :huh
Then "POP" I pulled my aching head outta my arse and did the Math... Dammmm Pyro works for Dale!
After days of scrubbin "STUPID" off my forehead and many emails to Dale ...beggin, pleading, willing to name all my pets and children after him. He gave me another chance.
And that was it!
BRB gotta get my Son Dale into the shower and feed my dog and cat... Dale and Dale.....
:D
Mac "The Greatful"
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i have some richard cheese MP3s.
good music.
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why not just make it so that if someone hires an illegal alien... the illegal alien is lynched and the person that hires him gets $50.00.
there will not be many illegals for long...
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Isn't the root of the problem politicians with their hands tied by corruption?
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Originally posted by AWMac
I was liquored up like BGB on a payday night
:rofl
Enter............. the fourth line. Thanks. :)
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Originally posted by moot
Isn't the root of the problem politicians with their hands tied by corruption?
Gets out red pen
Originally posted by moot
Isn't the root of the problem politician^'s corruption?
Yes.
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I weighed a bit heavy on my sarcasm pen, sorry.
If a case could be made to the populace that illegal immigrants are something very much worth fixing, no secret personal benefit of the politicians could stop the people from getting what they want.
If it is true that illegals ought to be dealt with, even ADDHD sufferers could be convinced with a short and sweet demonstration of this truth, and get the snowball rolling.
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Originally posted by Furball
why not just make it so that if someone hires an illegal alien... the illegal alien is lynched and the person that hires him gets $50.00.
there will not be many illegals for long...
If you could limit the benefit to $50.00 that would stop it right there.
shamus
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gee nash...I am sure the irony of you attacking me is not missed by most.... didn't you go into a hissy fit a while back becsause I attacked you in every thread?
At least I had a reason related to the thread eh? Soooo what is your solution commie boy? Oh that's right.... you don't like to give solutions... you only like to criticize when others do come up with em... besides... anyone seeing your solutions would have you as well pegged as I do.
big.... Ok... let's figure out what you are trying to say here. You are saying that the employer and the illegal should have the same penalty for...for what? for different crimes? one crime is entering the country illegaly or... maybe even haveing false papers... The latter would also include high school kids with a false ID.
The other crime is much graver....it is knowingly hiring illegal aliens to work so that you can profit off of it. You make this profit off the missery of both the illegal and his family and.... the American tax payer who has to shoulder the infrastructure burden for your profit. (I say "your" in the larger sense).
Now, besides the seriousness of the crimes... you also have a little matter of.. Is it easier to solve a huge problem by lynching a few profit motivated scum bags or millions of citizens of a foreighn country... and... maybe a few hundred thousand high school kids with phony ID's.
From a legal and a practical standpoint... it would make far more sense to hang a few cowardly traitor employers.
I will let you think of that while we all await nash's solution to the problem.
lazs
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moot... sarcasm or not... How can we punish politicans and help the problem? Don't get me wrong here.... any time we can punish politicians I am all for it but.... It would be nice if I could justify it and it got results.
I am pragmatic... I want results. I want results that are possible not LALA land dump money at the problem and pretend to be doing something..
Some appear to want that... Beggg the nice government men to make the problem go away no matter what it costs us pleeeeease!!!
LOL... the government will take your money and give you a handfull of magic beans and laugh their butt off at yet another hysterical outcry from the public that ended up giveing them more money and more power..
handsomehunkes.
lazs
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"besides... anyone seeing your solutions would have you as well pegged as I do.... Soooo what is your solution commie boy?" - lazs
Lol. "Commie boy." I have only ever voted for conservatives. Yeah, you got me so well pegged, there lazs.
"I will let you think of that while we all await nash's solution to the problem." - lazs
Solution? Like this one?
"From a legal and a practical standpoint... it would make far more sense to hang a few cowardly traitor employers." - lazs
Sweet jeezious that's one hell of a solution! Bravo! It's brilliant.
Gawdamn but you are funny.
Look, if people seriously wanted a solution, there'd be one. There'd be border enforcement and there'd be stricter laws. The reason that there aren't these things is that the politicians aren't willing to stick their neck out and get it done. Why? Because for some reason they want to get reelected, and think that actually doing something will hurt their chances. Why? Because the people who finance them and the people who elect them don't seem to want to do anything about it.
The "solution" is simply border control and tougher laws. I'm not sure I'd go so far as "lynching" per se, but nevertheless - it's not complex. A three year-old can understand that. It only starts to get complex when you look at the repercussions of actually pursuing these things. Because that's why it's not getting done.
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nash... you obviously haven't been following my ideas on the matter... the "lynching" was tounge in cheek.
My solution is to enforce the laws against employers. It is also, as I have said to add a MANDATORY penalty of one year jail term for emplyers caught hiring illegals.
I believe that it would take very few arrests to stop all the cowardly and traitorous employers from any further hiring... that would kill the demand and the supply would dry up.
I still don't see your solution other than "enforce the borders" what the hell does that mean? you want to build a wall or hire thousands more border patrol to try and plug the sieve?
Why don't you see that killing the demand and the root of the problem is a million (or 12 million) times easier and with hardly any cost at all to the taxpayer.
and.... I do not think that what you call "conservative" in your country is the same as what we would call conservative. you are a flaming liberal by American standards but you are simply not up front enough to admit it.
lazs
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Lazs, how else than via politicians whose responsibility it is could changes such as outlawing illegals be made?
I don't know about sorting thru the webs of corruption, but if political actions were squares on a table top covered with them, where each demand on one side would get in only by pushing another one off the table (this being metaphor-space, a system (aka tabletop) free of corruption would hold all the squares necessary, no more (aka small govt)), continually pushing for what the people want (which should be the right things) should come naturally (common sense) and receive no opposition from the politicians concerned, lest they admit they've got other interests, which if made to happen for their electors to see, would have them removed from their responsibilities.
It might sound naive, but my intended point is that if people were correctly informed and lucid enough, the politicians could only follow their will.
The truth can't be denied, and this instance is no exception. People naturaly do what's good for them. All they need to deal with what isn't is to have enough lucidity to get to the bottom of what that is.
e.g. just like the constitution originated from 'the people', ejecting such a tumor ought to as well, if for no other reason, because it is their sovereign right.
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We have the same probs with Canucks here. Lazy as Hell, Expect everything and don't pay taxes.
Oh BTW the Maple Leaf thingy reminds me when I used to hunt alot and had to crap.... reach for the Big Leafs.
And Canucks beer? one word "MooseHead" may as well be givin a Moose Head.
Eh?
Mac
*singin* Nash is a Lumber Jack and he's okay....
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Originally posted by lazs2
Why don't you see that killing the demand and the root of the problem is a million (or 12 million) times easier and with hardly any cost at all to the taxpayer.lazs
That's what I meant by stricter laws. Other than the lynching thing, I guess we're in some agreement. So now that we've come up with this wonderful solution, all we gotta do is march to DC and fill everyone in on it. Because I'm certain that nobody there with the power to actually do anything about it has ever thought up an idea as mindbendingly brilliant as this.
Welcome to Obviousland, Captn'.
Originally posted by lazs2 ...you are a flaming liberal by American standards but you are simply not up front enough to admit it. -lazs
You must mean by 32% of Americans' standards. :aok
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nash and moot... The laws allready exist. It is a crime punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a 250,000 dollar fine to hire illegals. It has not been enforced since........ 1992.
It would be easy to simply make the first offence a mandatory 1 year jail sentance.
and nash.... are you saying that because only 34% of Americans at this time approve of Bush that all your liberal ideas are espoused by the rest? I think your approval rating by Americans for your ideas would be about 4% and.... you would have to take the poll in hollywood or ny city to get it that high.
lazs
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It's a law, that's not enforced.. :lol I guess I'm just not made for politics.
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moot... more like humans are not made for politics... politics are for aholes.
nash... of course my idea is obvious... well.... except to everyone but you. How come so many here didn't see it as a solution?
I think that the reason is that so many have emotional ties to the issue that get in the way of rational thinking. many are just brainwashed "make the government do something" types that want to see some illegals punished and a wall built. no matter what it costs.
All I can do is take every chance to make my ideas known... I write here and to newspapers and politicians. What are you doing? oh wait...
you aren't even a citizen of this country... you aren't even involved are you? you simply don't have anything intersting about your country to talk about.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
moot... more like humans are not made for politics... politics are for aholes.
nash... of course my idea is obvious... well.... except to everyone but you. How come so many here didn't see it as a solution?
I think that the reason is that so many have emotional ties to the issue that get in the way of rational thinking. many are just brainwashed "make the government do something" types that want to see some illegals punished and a wall built. no matter what it costs.
All I can do is take every chance to make my ideas known... I write here and to newspapers and politicians. What are you doing? oh wait...
you aren't even a citizen of this country... you aren't even involved are you? you simply don't have anything intersting about your country to talk about.
lazs
I don't want to see illegals "punished" per se, I just want them shipped out the country every time one is caught here. If they come back, throw them in jail or tent city like we have here in Phoenix. Nobody likes living in a tent for a year in the desert.
Also, I don't want one cent spent on any illegal in order to assist them in any way, unless it's for an immediate need of emergency health care, food or water, etc.
I'd take all the money saved and spend it on enforcing immigration laws.
When you say: " many are just brainwashed make the government do something" types that want to see some illegals punished"..... aren't you saying the same thing regarding employers? You want the government to do something.
I want ALL of our laws enforced. Pretty simple, really.
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I do too.... I am simply pragmatic and realize that so long as there are jobs here and free stuff like schools and services...
No decent human being wouldn't want that for his family that had nothing.
I do not think illegals should be allowed to go to school here.
lazs
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Originally posted by Mr Big
I was bad. I said mp3 was a cheese richard. That got me banned.
Now I'm just a shade of my former self.
Did you have to grovel to be allowed back?