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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ack-Ack on May 06, 2006, 04:27:50 PM
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For those that are convinced only those that practice Islam are religious fanatics.
Christian nut case (http://www.break.com/index/hannityloon.html)
ack-ack
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Already discussed
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176724 (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176724)
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Ain't religion great..?
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Actually linked to and discussed multiple times:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176724&highlight=phelps
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176265&highlight=phelps
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175983&highlight=phelps
For the record Ack, Neither Fred Phelps nor his equally graceless daughter (the woman in the video) represents any major religion. They are members of a cult composed of one angry man and his extended family:
"Mr. Phelps' group started protesting funerals last summer with a variety of placards including one that read, "Thank God for Dead Soldiers." Mr. Phelps, who had theological training at John Muir Junior College in Pasadena, Calif., started his Westboro cult in 1955 after a Baptist church kicked him out; Westboro is not associated with any Baptist denomination. Since then Mr. Phelps' group has grown around his family's 10-home compound in Topeka; he doesn't allow members to marry outside of the congregation."
( http://www.worldmag.com/articles/11769 )
- SEAGOON
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What is sad is that good people of faith, no matter what the religion, get labeled as "nutjobs" or "religion fanatics" because of a few bad apples.
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Actually linked to and discussed multiple times:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176724&highlight=phelps
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176265&highlight=phelps
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175983&highlight=phelps
For the record Ack, Neither Fred Phelps nor his equally graceless daughter (the woman in the video) represents any major religion. They are members of a cult composed of one angry man and his extended family:
"Mr. Phelps' group started protesting funerals last summer with a variety of placards including one that read, "Thank God for Dead Soldiers." Mr. Phelps, who had theological training at John Muir Junior College in Pasadena, Calif., started his Westboro cult in 1955 after a Baptist church kicked him out; Westboro is not associated with any Baptist denomination. Since then Mr. Phelps' group has grown around his family's 10-home compound in Topeka; he doesn't allow members to marry outside of the congregation."
( http://www.worldmag.com/articles/11769 )
- SEAGOON
You know 'goon, everytime I get to the point where I really have no faith in organized religion as being a positive influence on mankind someone like you comes along and makes me realise that a few of the people that do follow an organised practicing religion really do make a difference. for doing what you do.
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So what are you getting at ack ack? that all religion is evil? Not just christianity?
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I'm a Catholic and I believe that there are things God do for a reason.
However, I do not believe he intended us to believe it is acceptable to go to places of mourning and saying farewell to those who have passed to protest and thank God for diseases, IEDs, dead soldiers, etc.
I believe in my God and I know deep down inside that he has a special place for people like her and their followers. They will be in for a rude awakening when people realize that God gives them the power of choice and a God-given choice is to stop these kinds of people.
I also believe that in the end, these people will meet the maker in a bad way.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
What is sad is that good people of faith, no matter what the religion, get labeled as "nutjobs" or "religion fanatics" because of a few bad apples.
"Faith" is irrational by definition.
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Originally posted by Yeager
So what are you getting at ack ack? that all religion is evil? Not just christianity?
I'll buy into that.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
"Faith" is irrational by definition.
Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: 'fAth
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths /'fAths, sometimes 'fA[th]z/
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Old French feid, foi, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust -- more at BIDE
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
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Originally posted by Sixpence
(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Amen!
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Careful there Sirloin, you're guilty of stereotyping...a big liberal no-no.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
I guess both of us can be selective
(1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
Well, I guess then you believe we are the only beings in the universe, which would make you religious somewhat. Is believing that there is some form of life outside of earth irrational?
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Rotten apples everywere.. Even here in the most secular country in europe we have a few. One even made it to be prime minister.. oh wait..he is a priest :D
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soooo... who's head did she cut off?
lazs
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Actually linked to and discussed multiple times:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176724&highlight=phelps
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=176265&highlight=phelps
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175983&highlight=phelps
For the record Ack, Neither Fred Phelps nor his equally graceless daughter (the woman in the video) represents any major religion. They are members of a cult composed of one angry man and his extended family:
"Mr. Phelps' group started protesting funerals last summer with a variety of placards including one that read, "Thank God for Dead Soldiers." Mr. Phelps, who had theological training at John Muir Junior College in Pasadena, Calif., started his Westboro cult in 1955 after a Baptist church kicked him out; Westboro is not associated with any Baptist denomination. Since then Mr. Phelps' group has grown around his family's 10-home compound in Topeka; he doesn't allow members to marry outside of the congregation."
( http://www.worldmag.com/articles/11769 )
- SEAGOON
Whether or not they are party of any mainstream Christian movement, they are still fanatics and evidence that religious fanatacism isn't just something found in the Islamic world.
ack-ack
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I don't recall anyone saying Muslims had cornered the market on fanaticism. Much as anyone with common sense despises the Phelps group, they have yet to blow themselves up trying to kill anyone.
Seems some people here are bent on showing that religion of any sort doesn't have the market on hate cornered either.
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Well damned, I thought we had weeded out all the nuts.
WTG akak on setting me straight anyways.
I better not go to church this moning, what with all the wackos there wishing me well and praying for me. And God forbid anyone of those nutcases offers to buy me lunch
Oh and I saw this auger dweeb in the arenas the other day augering just like they used too
Theres some evidence that those nutcases are still found in the
mainstream also,
just a heads up...
Oh and BTW
hello Gents.
TommyLee
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Whether or not they are party of any mainstream Christian movement, they are still fanatics and evidence that religious fanatacism isn't just something found in the Islamic world.
ack-ack
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Sixpence, he's pointing out that religion is nothing to be argued, as its reasons don't need to be consistent..
Pink elephants, Green martians, Bearded Pa/Matriarch, you name it, then build as much reason and rationalizing as you may, it still will not be consistent because of that one unarguable element, no matter how small it is proportionately to the rest of the rational construct.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Whether or not they are party of any mainstream Christian movement, they are still fanatics and evidence that religious fanatacism isn't just something found in the Islamic world.
ack-ack
Wow did you just NOW figure this out?
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There are other examples.
Baptist Inquisition/ex-Communicates Democrats
East Waynesville Baptist asked nine members to leave. Now 40 more have left the church in protest. Former members say Pastor Chan Chandler gave them the ultimatum, saying if they didn't support George Bush, they should resign or repent. The minister declined an interview with News 13. But he did say "the actions were not politically motivated." There are questions about whether the bi-laws were followed when the members were thrown out.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/05/06.html
(click on the video)
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Originally posted by moot
Sixpence, he's pointing out that religion is nothing to be argued, as its reasons don't need to be consistent. Pink elephants, Green martians, Bearded Pa/Matriarch, you name it,then build as much reason and rationalizing as you may, it still will not be consistent because of that one unarguable element, no matter how small it is proportionately to the rest of the rational construct.
Pink elephants, Green martians, black holes, white dwarfs, the big bang.
Again, my point is that irrational depends on your point of view. His black and white logic would say life outside of earth is irrational
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and... I don't have to do what she says right?
lazs
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my word!!! did you really think that religous nutjobs were just muslims?
hell.... talk about pot n ketlle !!!!
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I love this part coming up. Its the ever repeated argument that the fringe groups of christianity are compared to the so called "religion of peace" and argued that they are of the same scale in both measure of evilness and size.
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I dont like anybody telling me what to do, and I dont like Christians who feel they need to write their personal religious beliefs into common law that I must obey, but I do not now, nor have I in the past, and I do not expect to ever in the future fear any Christian.
On the other hand, I have seen what islamic extremists do. I have read their testimonies and heard first hand their expressed views about what to do with all who do not share the same specific beliefs in their prophet.
For people to compare these two religions as even remotely capable of being similar demonstrates a truly pathetic build of reality. Just my opinion of course
:D
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Originally posted by Yeager
I dont like anybody telling me what to do, and I dont like Christians who feel they need to write their personal religious beliefs into common law that I must obey, but I do not now, nor have I in the past, and I do not expect to ever in the future fear any Christian.
On :D
Well check out the Christian fundamentalists that have taken over the White House.
I do fear Islam more i agree...Don't see any moderates in that side of the theocratic theatre steppin up.
They just a few hundred years behind the times with today's technology.
Everyone should be scared for sure.