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Title: 109 variants/armaments
Post by: Speed55 on May 07, 2006, 03:23:48 PM

http://www.bf109.com/armament.html

Title: 109 variants/armaments
Post by: Tony Williams on May 07, 2006, 07:54:05 PM

There appears to be some mystery over the precise changeover in the 109F engine gun, from the 20mm MG-FF to the 15mm MG 151 and ultimately the 20mm MG 151. Most sources state that only a few F-0 were fitted with the MG-FF, but I have a copy of a contemporary German data sheet on the F-2 which lists the gun as the MG-FF. Possibly the older guns were fitted as an interim measure, then retro-fitted when the Mausers became available.

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Title: 109 variants/armaments
Post by: Charge on May 08, 2006, 08:31:12 AM

RhB MK 103?

-C+

Title: 109 variants/armaments
Post by: butch2k on May 08, 2006, 11:41:53 AM

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Originally posted by Tony Williams
There appears to be some mystery over the precise changeover in the 109F engine gun, from the 20mm MG-FF to the 15mm MG 151 and ultimately the 20mm MG 151. Most sources state that only a few F-0 were fitted with the MG-FF, but I have a copy of a contemporary German data sheet on the F-2 which lists the gun as the MG-FF. Possibly the older guns were fitted as an interim measure, then retro-fitted when the Mausers became available.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk) and discussion forum (http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/)

Tony could you send me a copy of that sheet ?
I know at least one which a WW2 era look alike but which was printed after the war.
MG-FF was fitted to F-1, F-3 and most likely the two or so F-5.

Title: 109 variants/armaments
Post by: Treize69 on May 08, 2006, 02:30:07 PM

I've heard of a few later examples being retrofitted with MGFFs when their pilots complained about the 15mm MG151, is it possible that a few individual examples have been seen as an official variant?

Title: 109 variants/armaments
Post by: Tony Williams on May 13, 2006, 03:05:38 AM

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Originally posted by butch2k
Tony could you send me a copy of that sheet ?
I know at least one which a WW2 era look alike but which was printed after the war.

I finally managed to find it...it is not dated, but I assumed it was WW2 era as it used the old High German script. Anyway, it's headed Kennblatt fur das Flugzeugmuster (I think) Bf 109, Baureihe F-1 und F-2 Motor DB 601 N. My copy is too poor to scan well - it used to be on the web, but the link is dead.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk) and discussion forum (http://forums.delphiforums.com/autogun/messages/)

Title: 109 variants/armaments
Post by: butch2k on May 13, 2006, 08:26:11 AM

Ok i know the doc, tony you missed the line : "Musterbezeichnung" which list 109F-1 as the a/c the values applies to. While the document is given for both a/c versions the weight details (and the armament details) are for the F-1 only ;)