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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jaxxo on May 09, 2006, 09:30:52 PM
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ftr town has degraded into a massive cherry festival where success is equal to how many wingmen you have..if you manage a coordinated attack with squaddys/wingys you will immediately be joined by every friendly in the area swooping in to kill steal instead of engaging cons entering the fight..every furball ive seen has degraded into a massive slaughter within 3 minutes by one side or the other.
Bravo player base we have ruined another great addition to a map :aok
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Originally posted by jaxxo
ftr town has degraded into a massive cherry festival where success is equal to how many wingmen you have..if you manage a coordinated attack with squaddys/wingys you will immediately be joined by every friendly in the area swooping in to kill steal instead of engaging cons entering the fight..every furball ive seen has degraded into a massive slaughter within 3 minutes by one side or the other.
Bravo player base we have ruined another great addition to a map :aok
Translation: "I Really dont like to get shot down."
Dave
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hey its not my fault i was trying to break up you and Stang's gangbang on Crambo.
Also, I killed you once without cherrying you.:D Those were some nice reversals and i was surprised when i took your wing off.
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I still have a great time in FT.
At least people come to fight.
Lots of opportunity to practice both offensive and defensive moves and ALWAYS a lot of shooting.
Beats heck out of the average night in the MA without FT.
At least I'm never bored in FT. I may be happy, sad or angry...but not bored. Can't say that about the MA without FT either.
To paraphrase, "Six bandits on your six is better than no bandits at all."
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Originally posted by jaxxo
ftr town has degraded into a massive cherry festival where success is equal to how many wingmen you have..if you manage a coordinated attack with squaddys/wingys you will immediately be joined by every friendly in the area swooping in to kill steal instead of engaging cons entering the fight..every furball ive seen has degraded into a massive slaughter within 3 minutes by one side or the other.
Bravo player base we have ruined another great addition to a map :aok
And on this day, the furballers and toolshedders laid aside their past quarrels, embraced each other's differences whole-heartedly and became united to wage a new war on their new common enemy...
the cherry picker.
LMAO!
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
And on this day, the furballers and toolshedders laid aside their past quarrels, embraced each other's differences whole-heartedly and became united to wage a new war on their new common enemy...
the cherry picker.
LMAO!
Hey............... don`t pick on me.
This is actualy pretty funny to me.
1. Not enough people fighting.
2. We need a fighter town.
3. We get a fighter town.
4. We get post saying too many people are in fighter town.
Coming to a BBS near you soon.....
5. Can we please have a " I win every time" section on the map secluded and protected from the rest of the map.
6. there is too much violence and fighting in the MA.
7. Can we please have a Peace Rally section coaded into the map.
8. Riots are breaking out in the Peace Rally section due to too many players crowded in such a small area.
9. HT can we please have an option where you can just bill me every month without me downloading or playing the game? (2006 HT choice of the year)
10. Message from HT: Added in latest patch. New dot command .dontbothermewhileImflyingmyR V.
:D
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This is a pretty stupid post Jax :rolleyes:
I'm with Toad, it may suck a little but at least there is a fight going on.
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Jackal1 that was actually quite funny :) Thank you for the morning laugh.
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it is a matter of degree... sure... there are jerks who vultch runways in 190's and lalas... sure there are HO warriors.... sure there are peee 51's circling the fight and never getting low.... sure there are morons in PT mobile ack but..
it is a matter of degree.... FT is still the best thing going in the game... Festers map is good too but the FT area is still the best place to get into a good furball. You still can't get too close to the other guys base or the horde will go into a frenzy but.... It's a matter of degree.... everywhere else in AH is much much much worse these days.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Coming to a BBS near you soon.....
9. HT can we please have an option where you can just bill me every month without me downloading or playing the game? (2006 HT choice of the year)
10. Message from HT: Added in latest patch. New dot command .dontbothermewhileImflyingmyR V.
:D
:rofl :rofl Thanks Jackal
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Originally posted by Nomak
Translation: "I Really dont like to get shot down."
Dave
well said,
imop was the best tour/fun on this map, the -teams are balanced, less vulch/bombing none of the FT's bases was captured,
If you can't take it ,don't go there !
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Hmmm don't the BKs specialize in kill stealing squaddies?
Bronk
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I steal at least half the kills jaxxo makes. You should hear him cry, it's great.
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I think every map should have a fightertown... they are great.
Every map should also have some spot where I can kill tanks in an IL-2 or Hurricane... that is also fun :).
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i love fighter town.
i grew tired of the hoard hiding over their base at 15k and all simultaneously diving at the first thing they see, so i have taken up flying the LA7, drag one or two away, kill them, rinse/repeat.
alternatively if someone else beats me there, i just shoot down the conga line all frothing at the mouth trying to get a kill.
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Originally posted by Stang
I steal at least half the kills jaxxo makes. You should hear him cry, it's great.
Stang you better back off it a bit . Because the whole BBS is hearing it now.
Bronk
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while I appreciate you taking the time to flame me nomak , i spoke the truth. ftr twn is worthless most of the time. The whole point is that the player base is advancing way faster than the game..and killing it. If you still enjoy ftr town have at it..Im sincerely happy for you. I think its worthless.
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jaxxo......you been flyin sober again?.....The doctor told you not to do that anymore! It makes you realize you suck in a fighter! :p
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Gooooooooooooose whats up hoss? I gave up drinkin ya punk :) thats when i realized how much Nomak..err ftrtwn annoys me..I always thought, man that guy on my six can shoot! being sober I hit the back AND up view and see his 5 wingmen blazing away :) hehe giime a shout sometime fool
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Jaxxo, the few times I've looked in on FT I had a real tough time seeing how it was any different than anywhere else, save for the compressed geography. To whit:
- Toolshedders A-plenty: Got 'em
- Heavy bomber formations killing FH: Got 'em
- Heavy bomber formations dive bombing fields: Got 'em
- LA's and Tiffy's ignoring actual "fighting" so they can strafe the fields: Got 'em
- Cherry-pickers in 190's and Tiffy's: Got 'em
- HO-Jobs in Hurri's and 190's and 110's and N1K1's: Got 'em
- Score-potatos in C2's, etc. using teammates as bait: Got 'em
I know what you guys *want* FT to be, but it has been a long, long, long while since it resembled that.
Now, "if I were HT" (hehe), I'd change FT as follows:
- disable all bombers and ord
- disable every GV except the M16
- disable troops
- disable any plane made after 1942
With a set up like that, only people who want to furball would go there.
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yeah your right Dok its not different than any other place on the map..its a great idea, but also a great lesson in human nature aka "path of least resistance" heck the friendlys swooping in to "save" me is twice as annoying as the enemy horde..i have no fear of dying believe that lol..but I would like to make it more than one turn without it being over one way or the other.
:cry flame away
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Originally posted by mojo7
MEDICINE-SONG
by Geronimo
O, ha le
O, ha le!
Awbizhaye
Shichl hadahiyago niniya
O, ha le
O, ha le
Tsago degi naleya
Ah--yu whi ye!
O, ha le
O, ha le!
Shichl hadahiyago niniya - MY what?
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Originally posted by jaxxo
Gooooooooooooose whats up hoss? I gave up drinkin ya punk :) thats when i realized how much Nomak..err ftrtwn annoys me..I always thought, man that guy on my six can shoot! being sober I hit the back AND up view and see his 5 wingmen blazing away :) hehe giime a shout sometime fool
Will do bud! May make an Island Party ot of it Sunday. We might invite you if you bring a cute date (has to be female this time). I'll holla!
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Jaxxo, the few times I've looked in on FT I had a real tough time seeing how it was any different than anywhere else, save for the compressed geography. To whit:
- Toolshedders A-plenty: Got 'em
- Heavy bomber formations killing FH: Got 'em
- Heavy bomber formations dive bombing fields: Got 'em
- LA's and Tiffy's ignoring actual "fighting" so they can strafe the fields: Got 'em
- Cherry-pickers in 190's and Tiffy's: Got 'em
- HO-Jobs in Hurri's and 190's and 110's and N1K1's: Got 'em
- Score-potatos in C2's, etc. using teammates as bait: Got 'em
I know what you guys *want* FT to be, but it has been a long, long, long while since it resembled that.
Now, "if I were HT" (hehe), I'd change FT as follows:
- disable all bombers and ord
- disable every GV except the M16
- disable troops
- disable any plane made after 1942
With a set up like that, only people who want to furball would go there. [/B]
There used to be an "early war aircraft only" area on one of the maps; center island consisted of about 12 Vbases and 3 Airfields. It was great; except for the occasional jet looking to pad his score, the fights were normally wildly entertaining. Not sure why, but HTC killed it.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
There used to be an "early war aircraft only" area on one of the maps; center island consisted of about 12 Vbases and 3 Airfields. It was great; except for the occasional jet looking to pad his score, the fights were normally wildly entertaining. Not sure why, but HTC killed it.
Yeah ... "Furball Island" ... not sure why it was changed either. Probably because people whined that they couldn't up their Uber rides there and they paid $15/mo to fly what they want where they want blah-de-blah-de-blah.
Or maybe because FI couldn't defend itself from maraudering base-takers. Who knows?
Of course, one could make a similar argument that people who want to fly Zekes v. P40B's can't because the MA only favors the late war rides, and how come their $15/mo ain't worth as much as those of a La-la HO-dweeb and yadda, yadda, yadda.
FT is unique, though, in that it is strongly isolated by terrain. So something could be done that wouldn't affect much of anything else on that map.
I'd really be curious to see what happened if the changes I suggested were implemented. Just as an experiment in human nature.
And as for "helpers," yeah ... I've had more killshooter damage in the last month from people cutting right in front of me than I can ever remember. Likewise the number of "helpers" who don't tell me there's something on my six that they're trying to cherry-pick.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
- Toolshedders A-plenty: Got 'em
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One caveat IF they are porking troops and ords... More like preventative maintenance.
Bronk
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Jaxxo, the few times I've looked in on FT I had a real tough time seeing how it was any different than anywhere else, save for the compressed geography.
A lot of us are ADHD kids (or not kids lol) and just like the fact that it IS so smushed together. When I want to fly, I can roll and be in a fight in 90 seconds.... I like that.
On the downside, I have noticed that a LOT of folks kinda just hang out around their bases, or the in massive clump of people in the lake. Only thing I don't like about the lake is the mobile AA bases upped by people who can't/won't fly.
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Originally posted by jaxxo
ftr town has degraded into a massive cherry festival where success is equal to how many wingmen you have..if you manage a coordinated attack with squaddys/wingys you will immediately be joined by every friendly in the area swooping in to kill steal instead of engaging cons entering the fight..every furball ive seen has degraded into a massive slaughter within 3 minutes by one side or the other.
Bravo player base we have ruined another great addition to a map :aok
reminds me of every engagement i had with a bk on ft b4 i left.. 2 mins after i engaged one a flock of them would be trying to steal kill me :D
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Originally posted by Bronk
One caveat IF they are porking troops and ords... More like preventative maintenance.
Sorry ... I ain't buying that argument ... (a) it's too easy a rationalization for something that is disdained everywhere else on the map and (b) the people doing it in FT for the most part really, really, really suck.
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Originally posted by Urchin
A lot of us are ADHD kids (or not kids lol) and just like the fact that it IS so smushed together. When I want to fly, I can roll and be in a fight in 90 seconds.... I like that.
On the downside, I have noticed that a LOT of folks kinda just hang out around their bases, or the in massive clump of people in the lake. Only thing I don't like about the lake is the mobile AA bases upped by people who can't/won't fly.
I can see the value of something like FT.
But for me, personally, in its current for it ain't my cup of vodka. My frames go to hell and I can't hit a thing (esp. when 3 or 4 sets of B24's show up). The bases are always being vultched and bombed. And teamwork only exists between the veterans who are around you - everyone else is like something from a George Romero movie, looking for brains to eat.
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I love FT the way it is.
I don't have to fly far to get a fight, which makes me more likely to take a plane I don't normally fly so I can learn it. Nothing like taking a plane that you are not familiar with, fly for 10 minutes to find a fight and get ho'd by a spit/la/niki driver.
Now, if I get shot down, I dont' care. I'm up and back in the fite in less than 2 minutes ready to learn from my mistakes. I also find that I'm probably more aggressive in FT than anywhere else because I know that if I screw up, (and I do, a lot! :D ) I'm back in the fite pretty quick.
I've been using the fu41 at FT, and yeah, I'm cherry picking a little bit, but as I get more comfortable in the beast, I'm finding myself in the weeds more and more.
People are going to fly the way they want. Take the fights as you can get them and don't complain. At least its not a 10 minute flight to get a fight.
my .02 worth
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well I guess im just an old whiner but it doesnt change my opinion..yes i want everyone to use acms, and wingman tactics, and furball, twisting and turning and admiring the beauty of a dogfight..even if your in the tower with your heart thumping..so sue me...engaging one con and watching 15 others dive from 10k to pick me isnt my cup o tea..
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I enjoy FT but its turning to a lot like a pickfest. I have had days where I get vulched 3 or 4 times just trying to up somehow and then get picked several times just getting to the fight. I have also had days where Ill get 11 kills in a 38 flying low on the deck or more. Need to have serious SA to be in FT or you are screwed. Its also kinda luck if you dont happen to get stupid and fly into a hoarde or just hanging with the hoarde just getting assists.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Sorry ... I ain't buying that argument ... (a) it's too easy a rationalization for something that is disdained everywhere else on the map and (b) the people doing it in FT for the most part really, really, really suck.
Dok not to be argumentative... The only way to stop the buffs is ... wait for it... kill the ords. The few times I few in FT I seen wave after wave of buffs.
Tell me Dok what should I have done.
1 attack buffs
2 Ignore em and hope the don't make it to hangers
3 be pro active and take down ords so i can have 15 min of peace to furball
Dok these seem to be the only choices.
Choice 1 problem : I'm not in FT to attack buffs I'm there to mix it up with other fighters.
Choice 2 problem : If all in FT take attitude in choice 1 problem hangers go down, no more FT
Choice 3 is the only viable option IMHO. If you Know a better way to overcome human nature please enlighten me.
Please note I'm not one of the "Furball or die" players.
Bronk
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Originally posted by jaxxo
well I guess im just an old whiner but it doesnt change my opinion..yes i want everyone to use acms, and wingman tactics, and furball, twisting and turning and admiring the beauty of a dogfight..even if your in the tower with your heart thumping..so sue me...engaging one con and watching 15 others dive from 10k to pick me isnt my cup o tea..
yep. And the later is all of what FT is about. FT is for da birds. But sometimes its the only action (if you can call it that) on the map.
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Sorry Jaxx..... Just takin a jab. You kinda left the door wide open.
FWIW I really dont care for FT. For all intents and purposes its the only good fight on the map. I dont like having only 1 furball to chose from. FesterMA is far superior IMO.
That being said..... When its up thats where I fly.
Dave
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fester is my favorite map too. A little something for everyone without getting all jammed up.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Dok not to be argumentative... The only way to stop the buffs is ... wait for it... kill the ords. The few times I few in FT I seen wave after wave of buffs.
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I saw the same wave after wave. Of both bombers and porkers. One isn't any less annoying than the other to me for an area like FT.
But ... let's play Devil's Advocate a second ... suppose HT disabled bombers in FT. Do you think people would stop porking stuff there? I don't. It may diminish, but that's the most it'd do.
The "answer" is to try some new settings for the FT bases next time this map comes around and see how it goes. What's there now ain't working. And if some people whine then that they can't fly their La-7 in FT, too bad - they can fly it "from every other base on the map," to borrow from the "why bomb FT debates."
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Originally posted by Toad
I still have a great time in FT.
At least people come to fight.
Lots of opportunity to practice both offensive and defensive moves and ALWAYS a lot of shooting.
Beats heck out of the average night in the MA without FT.
At least I'm never bored in FT. I may be happy, sad or angry...but not bored. Can't say that about the MA without FT either.
To paraphrase, "Six bandits on your six is better than no bandits at all."
:aok
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I ended up going rook tonight because knights wanted to take FT. Ran in over 15 boxes of buffs at 15k and then yelling to up goons to take the base. This is just irritating that there are many other bases that people have to bring in buffs to ruin others fun. Ended up knocking down 2 knight goons then dynamite killed their troops. So much for taking rook base. :p
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We can thank all the squeaky little generals for that incredibly lame but amusing attempt. As lame as FT has been lately (with wave after wave after wave of divebombing formations and vulching idiots), seeing the noobs trying to grief, and in turn being slaughtered warms my heart.
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Dok
I agree it needs diff settings. But until or if HT decides to try it with diff settings, do you see any other way ? I don't , so call me a pork dweeb or whatever but if I am in FT and I see buffs and goons.... You can bet I'll make a run to kill both.
Bronk
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Ok what exactly is considered cherry picking?????? When flying in FT I see a friendly with 1-3 enemy on thier 6, I call out a check 6 and tell them I am trying to come in. Normally I try to sideswipe the group and get them to break off the friendly and sometimes(use it loosly since I am still horrible at flying) get a kill. Is this considered cherry picking or helping out a friendly????
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Cherry picking,, according to some, is doing anything other than the low and slow yank and bank stuff.
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everyone cherrypicks at some point...however basing your whole flying style around using another as bait is what bothers me..now there is a big difference between that and wingman tactics...the true cherrypicker will never be the bait, and doesnt even tell you hes gonna allow you to engage while he makes 400 mph cannon passes on the con your fighting..normally you will be floating down alongside your opponent after the fight while the picker zoom climbs back up to 15k
a few definitions
"Cherry Picker (slang/noun) – A one-way player who simply waits for a pass near center in the hopes of getting a breakaway instead of helping on defense. He’s a no talent cherry picker who gets all his scoring chances by waiting outside the blue line for a breakaway"
from the urban dictionary...
"a person who sits in the back court by the basket waiting for an outlet pass on a change of possession, enabling them to score easily before any defenders can reach them.
The origins of this term may come from the notion of "cherry picking" as attempting, or picking, only those things that are easily obtained, or only what suits your taste best, as a cherry might."
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Originally posted by asilvia
Ok what exactly is considered cherry picking?????? When flying in FT I see a friendly with 1-3 enemy on thier 6, I call out a check 6 and tell them I am trying to come in. Normally I try to sideswipe the group and get them to break off the friendly and sometimes(use it loosly since I am still horrible at flying) get a kill. Is this considered cherry picking or helping out a friendly????
Good point ... some may call or think that is cherry-picking, but I wouldn't call it that.
There are those that do go to FT and circle above the fray waiting for an enemy to get slow (while already engaged), swoop down, kill the target (thinking that they just did you a favor), and zoom back up to the perch and do it all over again. Thats is cherry-picking.
For some reason, when buff formations are in the area, my framerate chits the bed, so as much as I love the premise of FT ... I can't fly there ... framerates go down the tubes and thats not a good thing in the FT furball.
If HT would implement Dok's ideas, FT could only get better (and maybe I could fly there). If it doesn't work out, it would be simple to put things back to what they are now ... it really would be no sweat of HTC's back to at least try it.
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Bronk ... for now that's all you can do. But lets not kid ourselves about why *other* people are doing it, OK?
Cherry Picking ... yeah, I think we're basically talking about the Lone Gunman type who never drags for anyone else, doesn't give check-6's (cuz that may ruin his shot - and usually hollers like mad when he don't get check-6 calls), and is always the "last man in."
Your more experienced players know when they're dragging and announce it on local VOX, and other experienced players respond accordingly. When you get 2 or 3 good people using team tactics like that it's a lot of fun, and everyone has their turn in the barrel roping dweebs for the others.
Bomber formations just kill frame rate for me too.
I think things in FT have degraded to a point where its justified to make changes. FT isn't FT - it's a compressed version of everything bad everywhere else on the map. For its intended purpose, there's no need for bombers or ord or troops. And for an area that small there's no need for late war planes - especially when the early war planes see almost no use in the MA.
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Dok I could't agree more with your last post.
Ohh and
everyone has their turn in the barrel
Now thats just plain funny.
:rofl
Bronk
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
For its intended purpose, there's no need for bombers or ord or troops. And for an area that small there's no need for late war planes - especially when the early war planes see almost no use in the MA.
I agree with this. An early plane area would be great, and I'm sure that enough people just want to fight that they'd even do it in early war planes (as long as one of them has hizookas.. so the Spit I is to early).
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Originally posted by Bronk
everyone has their turn in the barrel
Now thats just plain funny.
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Everyone should try to be a master baiter.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I agree with this. An early plane area would be great, and I'm sure that enough people just want to fight that they'd even do it in early war planes (as long as one of them has hizookas.. so the Spit I is to early).
Just lop it off somewhere 'round '42 some time - Spit V v. 190A5 v. 109F time frame. US would be stuck with the P38G, F4F line, and P40's - maybe get generous and allow the P47D-11 in as a counter to the 190A5 up high. Japan would have the Zeke - which should outperform the Spit5 and Hurri2. La-5 would fit in and keep the 190's honest below 10K. C202 and C205 would be in. So you're looking at like 12-15 planes to pick from. Which should be plenty.
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several years ago I had asked for an early war area like FT.
I am not sure that a pure date thing would work tho... it would probly have to be based on performance. Speed climb... that sort of thing... a c202 would be a good early war area plane say. A 109 E would but not a 190 say.
If you allowed one plane, regardless of date to have a huge cannon load and a 30 mph speed advantage you would have an even more limitied useful plane set.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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The 190A5 really only has 2 useful cannons. The MG-FF's in the outer wings aren't worth the extra weight. Basically the same guns as a C205. The Hurri II would be the cannon monster.
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D11 would fit as DoK stated. A6m2 &5, P40E.....F4s C202 &205, Let the Spit9 be included with the 190A5......109E,F & G2, 110C etc. No Bombers, no ord at fields....and Isolate FT from rest of arena. Omit 1944 aircraft and be selective on the 1943 set. Could be done.
I myself would love FT but for the vulching, jabos, divebombing buffs and the hordes within a confined space. Not much different from the MA at the current status.
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My experience with the FT area this week was mostly "MA Concentrate", as opposed to just 1 big roiling furball as in the past. Hopefully, the 2 weekers and mousewielding griefers will run off, or find something else to do. In the meantime, I've had a chance to see the rest of the map, and it's nice.
I'd still like to see an area such as that being described. Wonder if HTC will consider the idea.
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mousewielding griefers
Just a question is this refering to when us bomber lovers had to click on the target on the map for alt or what??
Other wise I have always had a stick.... I am of course assuming that by mousewielding griefers you are talking about the bomber croud.
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Fighter town's the best place, some viscious killings going on, it's all fair, it does demonstrate the mob mentality, but what do you expect in an unorganized beat down, it's kinda cool, Jaxxo.:D
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Originally posted by Hajo
Let the Spit9 be included
That's the end of your new arena right there.
- oldman
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
The MG-FF's in the outer wings aren't worth the extra weight. Basically the same guns as a C205.
C.205 actually has the same Mauser MG 151/20 cannons that 190s have in the wingroots.
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ledpig easy for you to say..I notice your always on the other end of the beatdown you timid punk ;)
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Originally posted by Flayed1
Just a question is this refering to when us bomber lovers had to click on the target on the map for alt or what??
Other wise I have always had a stick.... I am of course assuming that by mousewielding griefers you are talking about the bomber croud.
If I had meant "anyone who flies bombers", I'd have said "anyone who flies bombers".