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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LEDPIG on May 10, 2006, 11:54:35 AM
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It seems to me that the perk point system was organized to keep certain equipment in order in the game I.e. the 262 so it would'nt end up a jet game. What's going on with these La's, spitfires, Yak's N1K's and 5 million other planes that are out of hand. I fly a whole sorte sometimes and that's all i see. You perk some of the corsairs fine, you perk the jets, fine but you don't perk the spit 16 what's that all about. There's so many of em that i get in one sometime just to mix it up with them. When i joined Htc i thought this was a WW2 sim with an equal distribution of combat along all lines of engagement, what happened, i look down there from my 38 or 47 and look at a whole engagement of nothing but Spits La's and N1k's. When i get engaged and do my E fighting on them they complain that i'm not fighting the way they want. What's a noob to do? Obviously some would say learn to fly or get another plane, but some of these planes, the performance is just not going to be equal i don't care what you do, due to just plane physics, so you have to employ them as you see fit, then you hear people cryin about it. Will Htc even up the demographic or just plain create another arena where it's more controled?
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
It seems to me that the perk point system was organized to keep certain equipment in order in the game I.e. the 262 so it would'nt end up a jet game. What's going on with these La's, spitfires, Yak's N1K's and 5 million other planes that are out of hand. I fly a whole sorte sometimes and that's all i see. You perk some of the corsairs fine, you perk the jets, fine but you don't perk the spit 16 what's that all about. There's so many of em that i get in one sometime just to mix it up with them. When i joined Htc i thought this was a WW2 sim with an equal distribution of combat along all lines of engagement, what happened, i look down there from my 38 or 47 and look at a whole engagement of nothing but Spits La's and N1k's. When i get engaged and do my E fighting on them they complain that i'm not fighting the way they want. What's a noob to do? Obviously some would say learn to fly or get another plane, but some of these planes, the performance is just not going to be equal i don't care what you do, due to just plane physics, so you have to employ them as you see fit, then you hear people cryin about it. Will Htc even up the demographic or just plain create another arena where it's more controled?
Go fly in the AvA. There you will find historic adversaries. But you'll probably B***H about getting spanked by B&Z 109 and 190s in your early 38/47.
Perk the la7 and spit XVI and they will jump in Tiffies and MK VIII.
Then what... you still wont catch the tiff or out turn the Mk VIII.
I know what will make you happy... HT let you run around in your late model 38/47 while the rest of us fly MK I spits and 109 e.
Try flying the way you fly and to hell with what the turn and burn crowd have to say.
OHHH the bad man in the spitfire called me a lammer cause i wont turn fight with him .
Pffffffffffffffffffffff. How does this effect you. Why should you care what he thinks. He isn't paying for you to play AH.
Here is a trick if you are thin skinned and this REALY bothers you . TURN OFF 200.
Bronk
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Spit XVIs are often flown by people who dont understand what the planes can and cannot do. Learn what the weaknesses are, and take advanatge of them. As has been said many times before, the SpitXVI is a 1943 plane optimized to low alt fighting. Dont play their game....
I kill many more XVIs than kill me. The last time I died to one, it was because I got busy trying to finish an enemy low below the nits FT base. When a XVI whizzed down the hill to the water, latching onto my 6, it was NOT because the XVI is an unbeatable foe that needs to be perked.
It was because I screwed up.
Yeah, once he got behind me his capabilities meant I couldnt get him off unless he made a big mistake. But my death was 100%, totally MY FAULT.
An object lesson that might be good to take to heart.
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the spit16, despite being uber, is only a mk9 with clipped wings and a merlin 266. technically it's only a 1942/1943 plane. there are american rides that are so much faster, do everything better, but they arent perked. they are how they are for a reason, and i dont think HT will be perking anything soon;)
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When i get engaged and do my E fighting on them they complain that i'm not fighting the way they want. What's a noob to do?
Ignore them & do whatever you want to do. Most people only get pissy when they lose, so the more pissy they are with you probably means they got shot down by you.
If they can't prevail in a situation where they are getting B&Z'd is that your fault? Of course not.
As long as you (or they) aren't manipulating the software or doing something else that can be considered cheating, don't worry about it. Pick your fights; tune out channel 200, & refresh your memory as to where the "quit" button is & you'll enjoy the game a lot more.
As far as perking one ride or another - I don't see where the spit-16 is all that. The LA-7 is fast, but can be caught & flamed. The Nik, well; it has a lot of cannon rounds. It seems to me if the LA - Nik - & Spit16 were perked, then less noobs would fly them & it would give the guys with a lot of skill & perkies near exclusive use of a plane set that only makes them harder to kill. All these planes do in my hands is to give the guy I'm fighting more points.
Maybe HT should get Skuzzy to just assign rides that you have to fly for the entire tour :lol I could just see myself in a P-40 trying to fight the likes of Shawk in an LA-7 or Lev in a Nik or Hoarach in a Spit-16
At least it would stop the "get out of the ****** and fight me 1v1" if a guy is ripping you apart in a P-40 & your flying an LA-7, well it's a pretty good bet he's just better at this game.
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and the P47N, which does 460mph+, flies forever, carries 3400 rounds of ammo, and only served in the very last year of the war... remains unperked.
forgot the 20k of bombs and 300 rockets it can carry
PERK THE SPITFIRE!!! :furious :mad: :furious
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
It seems to me that the perk point system was organized to keep certain equipment in order in the game I.e. the 262 so it would'nt end up a jet game. What's going on with these La's, spitfires, Yak's N1K's and 5 million other planes that are out of hand. I fly a whole sorte sometimes and that's all i see. You perk some of the corsairs fine, you perk the jets, fine but you don't perk the spit 16 what's that all about. There's so many of em that i get in one sometime just to mix it up with them. When i joined Htc i thought this was a WW2 sim with an equal distribution of combat along all lines of engagement, what happened, i look down there from my 38 or 47 and look at a whole engagement of nothing but Spits La's and N1k's. When i get engaged and do my E fighting on them they complain that i'm not fighting the way they want. What's a noob to do? Obviously some would say learn to fly or get another plane, but some of these planes, the performance is just not going to be equal i don't care what you do, due to just plane physics, so you have to employ them as you see fit, then you hear people cryin about it. Will Htc even up the demographic or just plain create another arena where it's more controled?
Sooo ... let me get this straight.
You want to perk all the planes that kill you consistently ... BRILLIANT !!! ... what a novel concept ... I have never seen this brought forward on this BBS before.
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ya gotta give points though, I dont think I've ever heard someone request the Yak to be perked
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sorry slap, but i missed in that post where he said anything about them killing him. just that those are the planes he see's all the time.
are american rides that are so much faster, do everything better, but they arent perked.
Please tell me one that does everything better.
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So anything that kills you, you want perked?
Perk TREES! :D
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Originally posted by Airscrew
ya gotta give points though, I dont think I've ever heard someone request the Yak to be perked
Yes, his credibility suffered with that one. :)
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
i joined Htc i thought this was a WW2 sim with an equal distribution of combat along all lines of engagement,
No need to perk the popular planes, nor create a separate arena. The only thing flawed here was your assumption.
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No i want the ground perked lol ,but really i guess what i'm saying is maybe an arena more like an expanded axis versus allies where you can see more of the historical opponents and see a wider array of planes spread out across the board. I do get killed by these planes but usually when play i their game. Their just seems to be a preponderance of one type and i don't get to engage alot of others. The other day i got to engage Hawco in a p-40 b against a p-38j in a long engagement in the MA that seemed to last for hours without being interupted he was good and i enjoyed fighting that particular plane for a change, it was a lot of fun. It wouldn't be right to perk a plane just because you get killed by it, i recognize the right of people to fly it, i just see the one type of planes so much is all.::p
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Originally posted by Simaril
my death was 100%, totally MY FAULT
:aok
mine too.
hap
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
The other day i got to engage Hawco in a p-40 b against a p-38j in a long engagement in the MA that seemed to last for hours without being interupted he was good and i enjoyed fighting that particular plane for a change, it was a lot of fun.
P40 against P38. Now that's an even match up. :aok
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Registred in April 2006 made his 1st category 1 whine one month later ...
Newbies are fast learner now or I'm old and slow ?
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Originally posted by Pooface
the spit16, despite being uber, is only a mk9 with clipped wings and a merlin 266. technically it's only a 1942/1943 plane. there are american rides that are so much faster, do everything better, but they arent perked. they are how they are for a reason, and i dont think HT will be perking anything soon;)
It is cool that you like Spitfires and all... but you should at least be honest.
There is no US plane that does everything better than the Spit 16. There are quite a few US planes that do *nothing* better than the Spit 16. The rest are merely faster, which isn't all that important imo.
There is a reason that the Spit 16 and La-7 are the most used planes... they happen to be the best planes for the game.
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another thing over top of turing 200 off is to patrol the bases back or around where the furballs are.. as planes such as 51's 38's and jug's not to mention the LW birds seem to take off from these fields more then the one's being attacked as they need the time to build the E to fight...
as far the spit 16 la7 being the best for the game i would have to question as niether of these birds bother me when i am in the 51 it is just a matter of knowing which tactics to use against them and which not too.. and of course not tring to take too many off them on at once :) i have seen guys do things in all the birds in here that make them all good birds for the game..just depends on how you want to fly and what tatics you want to use..
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I agree with Urchin on the previous comments i think theres a preponderance of newbs who don't want to fly anything different from a spit or La because their easier furballing planes. I don't like flying them to much because their use is so much of a no-brainer that i get bored with them. At least when flying some of the more difficult types you have think how your going to use it against these disimiliar planes and use your advantage to win. The employing of tactics nessessary in flying a 47, 38, fw-190 or something makes them more fun for me than just mindless furballing in a spitfire.
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Originally posted by straffo
Registred in April 2006 made his 1st category 1 whine one month later ...
Newbies are fast learner now or I'm old and slow ?
Another thing what's with all this newbs and senior players crap isn't this a game or what? Oh i been here since the begining i'm so special, so what!This is a dam@ game, big deal how important?:huh
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Im all up for that LEDPIG, except the fact that im a Spit Fan, Spit 16, Spit 8 HAS to be Perked. Not to forget the LAs, they are too abused and spit 16 is the only one flying practically, I stay away from the 8 and 16 unless there are alt monkeys I MAYBE will fly a spit 16.
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
Another thing what's with all this newbs and senior players crap isn't this a game or what? Oh i been here since the begining i'm so special, so what!This is a dam@ game, big deal how important?:huh
Yeah ... you're special , special like the hundred who whined about this subject in the past.
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Originally posted by Pooface
technically it's only a 1942/1943 plane.
Technically, LF XVI 266 was 1944 plane.
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Originally posted by Urchin
It is cool that you like Spitfires and all... but you should at least be honest.
There is no US plane that does everything better than the Spit 16. There are quite a few US planes that do *nothing* better than the Spit 16. The rest are merely faster, which isn't all that important imo.
There is a reason that the Spit 16 and La-7 are the most used planes... they happen to be the best planes for the game.
I agree ... nothing in the US arsenal combines the handling, acceleration, climb, and firepower of the Spit16. Not even close. US planes have speed and range and plenty of ammo ... things which are of lesser value in the MA.
You wanna see fewer La-7's? Just disable the 3-cannon configuration and watch what happens.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Technically, LF XVI 266 was 1944 plane.
yeah, but *technically* it was a LF mk9 with packard merlin 266, and the only difference between the two, LF 9 and 16 was the fact the engine was made in another factory, in america, and the tool sizes and systems were different. we could add a LF mk9 and it would be the same plane, but it would be an early 43 plane instead of late 44 ;) :p
perking a 1943 plane is rediculous, especially when lgays, runstangs and niki's are all over the place:D
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Technically, LF XVI 266 was 1944 plane.
Nope it's a 1943 airframe with a 1943 engine made in america.
your too fast PooFace ... I'm definitly too old and slow :cry
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
Another thing what's with all this newbs and senior players crap isn't this a game or what? Oh i been here since the begining i'm so special, so what!This is a dam@ game, big deal how important?:huh
I think what they are trying to say, is that after a couple of years, the things you are currently complaining about become non issues. It is all perspective. This is a game that takes years to master.
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Originally posted by straffo
Nope it's a 1943 airframe with a 1943 engine made in america.
your too fast PooFace ... I'm definitly too old and slow :cry
it's all them snails you silly frog :p :D
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Originally posted by straffo
Nope it's a 1943 airframe with a 1943 engine made in america.
Well, if you're looking at it that way, then you could say mk IX airframe was esentially modified mk V airframe which was modified mk II which was improved mk I, which again was based on 1936 prototype.
That said, Me 262 is based on 1941 airframe...
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Well, if you're looking at it that way, then you could say mk IX airframe was esentially modified mk V airframe which was modified mk II which was improved mk I, which again was based on 1936 prototype.
That said, Me 262 is based on 1941 airframe...
yeah but the LF mk9 ans the mk 16 were in all aspects, almost EXACTLY identical. only difference was where they were made, so the designation was different
mk 9 had totally different engine to the mk 5:aok
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Until I learned my new reversal I feared spit 16s above me, now Im not so worried. A high spit 16 is still a big threat as it holds E very well, very very hard to outturn and rolls pretty well. Only thing that is maybe possible is try to outrun it but isnt always likely especially if it dives on you.
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Originally posted by Pooface
mk 9 had totally different engine to the mk 5:aok
So did mk IXA and mk LF IX.
Again, HiTech introduced perkies to prevent some high performance planes and/or planes build in very small numbers, to dominate the arena and/or keep numbers low for those rare birds.
I'm sure if XVI would turn the gameplay on its head, HTC would perk it without regards to year build and 1942/43 or 44 wouldn't matter at all.
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does it really matter what year it was made in for it to be uber/overused/blahblahah?
didnt think so.:aok
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
I agree with Urchin on the previous comments i think theres a preponderance of newbs who don't want to fly anything different from a spit or La because their easier furballing planes. I don't like flying them to much because their use is so much of a no-brainer that i get bored with them. At least when flying some of the more difficult types you have think how your going to use it against these disimiliar planes and use your advantage to win. The employing of tactics nessessary in flying a 47, 38, fw-190 or something makes them more fun for me than just mindless furballing in a spitfire.
The La-7 is a horrible furballing plane ... if you are truely furballing.
The La-7 is not a no-brainer plane ... if your truly gonna FIGHT in it.
I love it when people come in here and say ... "its so easy to kill in that plane" ... "it's a no-brainer" .... "blah blah blah" ... how many times have you flown an La-7 and run into YUCCA/Frenchy in a P-47 ... or Morpheus/Silat/Fester in a P-38 ... or Urchin/NathBDP/Stang/Furball in a 190 ? ... or Leviathn in any plane he chooses, if ya did, you would think your flying a brick and you just got a lobotomy ... and not flying a no-brainer plane.
Anytime you want to up that no-brainer plane and take on my FM2, let me know ... you will be very surprized.
La-7s are given a bad rap by most of the tards that fly them ... most use them to vulch-and-run ... or cherry pick those who are already engaged ... run away ... rinse and repeat.
It is an excellent plane ... and if flown correctly, it is a devastating plane ... but it's hardly a no-brainer.
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Originally posted by Pooface
yeah but the LF mk9 ans the mk 16 were in all aspects, almost EXACTLY identical.
The mk16 has a greater Mark number than the mk9 by 78%.
Don't bore me with technicalities - The mark number alone makes it 78% better than the mk9, 100% better than mk8 and 14% better than the mk14.
Numbers don't lie - perk it!
Bozon
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Why not Perk ALL PLANES. Lets say you get 200 perks when you start. Lets say the first month or so you don't loose Any Perks. Then you will start loosing perks after that. I think it would slow down the HO's, Rams But not the Gang banging:rolleyes: Just A thought:aok
Crims
479th Raiders FG
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Originally posted by bozon
The mk16 has a greater Mark number than the mk9 by 78%.
Don't bore me with technicalities - The mark number alone makes it 78% better than the mk9, 100% better than mk8 and 14% better than the mk14.
Numbers don't lie - perk it!
Bozon
:rofl got to give him that, was a funny one !
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All you have to do is fly the Ki-84 and you will pwn everything.
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Fly the plane you want
Fly the way you want
Fly as high as you want
Fly as long as you want
Fly against any plane you want.
Fly again and again as much as you want
Seems to me that HTC delivered a lot of wants for 14.95$ a month.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Well, if you're looking at it that way, then you could say mk IX airframe was esentially modified mk V airframe which was modified mk II which was improved mk I, which again was based on 1936 prototype.
That said, Me 262 is based on 1941 airframe...
Look at it this way -
Merlin 266 = Merlin 66 made in the USA. (2 denoted manufactured abroad)
LF IXc (1943) had a Merlin 66
LF IXe (1944) had a Merlin 66
XVI (1944) had a Merlin 266
Identical planes APART from 1 difference - The XVI and LFIXe had 2 x .50cals.
Both the LF IXe and XVI rolled off the same production line, side by side.
All that decided the mark number was where the motor was made.
Urchin hit it on the head -
"There is a reason that the Spit 16 and La-7 are the most used planes... they happen to be the best planes for the game."
XVI was made for low alt fighting, guess where most of the MA furballs are?
So you can say 50 cals makes it 1944, but then again people argued the old Mk IX was a 1944 bird for the same reason, despite it having a 1942 Merlin 61.
To be honest, I would bet the VAST majority of kills are to the 2 x hispanos anyway.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Look at it this way -
Answers:
Originally posted by 2bighorn
I'm sure if XVI would turn the gameplay on its head, HTC would perk it without regards to year build and 1942/43 or 44 wouldn't matter at all.
Originally posted by killnu
does it really matter what year it was made in for it to be uber/overused/blahblahah?
didnt think so.
Originally posted by Urchin
There is a reason that the Spit 16 and La-7 are the most used planes... they happen to be the best planes for the game.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Look at it this way -
Merlin 266 = Merlin 66 made in the USA. (2 denoted manufactured abroad)
LF IXc (1943) had a Merlin 66
LF IXe (1944) had a Merlin 66
XVI (1944) had a Merlin 266
Identical planes APART from 1 difference - The XVI and LFIXe had 2 x .50cals.
Both the LF IXe and XVI rolled off the same production line, side by side.
All that decided the mark number was where the motor was made.
Urchin hit it on the head -
"There is a reason that the Spit 16 and La-7 are the most used planes... they happen to be the best planes for the game."
XVI was made for low alt fighting, guess where most of the MA furballs are?
So you can say 50 cals makes it 1944, but then again people argued the old Mk IX was a 1944 bird for the same reason, despite it having a 1942 Merlin 61.
To be honest, I would bet the VAST majority of kills are to the 2 x hispanos anyway.
I'd agree. However, the just because the Spit 16 is a "1943 plane" doesn't mean it isn't the best fighter in the game. Personally I think it is (I'd give the nod to the Ki-84 but for the Hizookas).. the Spit 16 accelerates well, turns well, packs two of the best cannon in the game, and has very snappy handling.
The La-7 is better suited to much of the arena's "fighting" "style" (which is to say.. don't), but once you get stuck in there is no better plane than the Spit 16 in my opinion.
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Technically, LF XVI 266 was 1944 plane.
Its not the L.F model its the CW model
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Originally posted by Viper9th
Its not the L.F model its the CW model
All Mk XVIs were LF models. LF was determined by the engine and the Merlin 66 or 266 were LF engines.
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Originally posted by Viper9th
Its not the L.F model its the CW model
I'm just about giving up on all guys with words 'viper', 'ace', 'hell', 'krusher' etc in their callsign...
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Perk the la-7? Im ok with that. Two or three guns ? I dont care.:D
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Originally posted by Furball
and the P47N, which does 460mph+, flies forever, carries 3400 rounds of ammo, and only served in the very last year of the war... remains unperked.
forgot the 20k of bombs and 300 rockets it can carry
PERK THE SPITFIRE!!! :furious :mad: :furious
Ptthhh..N accels like crap (like the other jugs) When full of ord, climbs as slow as Lanc--STILL gets run down by La7 or tiffy or Yak
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I've said it once, I'll say it again. Perk everything except the P40B.
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Originally posted by WMLute
I think what they are trying to say, is that after a couple of years, the things you are currently complaining about become non issues. It is all perspective. This is a game that takes years to master.
Actually Lute..."they" are saying...
Neener, neener, neener........you are a NOOB! :)
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Originally posted by killnu
does it really matter what year it was made in for it to be uber/overused/blahblahah?
didnt think so.:aok
My point exactly it is overused
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Originally posted by Viper9th
Its not the L.F model its the CW model
Waiting to know what CW stands for :) .
Cutoff wings, cute wings ;) .
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Originally posted by Grits
All you have to do is fly the Ki-84 and you will pwn everything.
Or the spit 16 or la, name your plane..... I agree this point has to be taken and equalized in the game, isn't that what perks were made for. If the 262 were flown too many people would be flying jets, the prop guys wouldn't have a chance etc.
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Ledpig, to boil this down, you chose to fly a certain plane, and all those other guys also chose to fly certain planes. What you're saying is that all those other guys should have to fly something else, because you think they should.
How exactly does one rationalize that logic?
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Ledpig, to boil this down, you chose to fly a certain plane, and all those other guys also chose to fly certain planes. What you're saying is that all those other guys should have to fly something else, because you think they should.
How exactly does one rationalize that logic?
True, i agree with that, i guess there's no way around it, i give up.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
ya gotta give points though, I dont think I've ever heard someone request the Yak to be perked
That is a first. I love that ride for the fact you can do a lot with a little bit of ammo. DON'T PERK IT.:huh :cry :(
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Originally posted by thndregg
That is a first. I love that ride for the fact you can do a lot with a little bit of ammo. DON'T PERK IT.:huh :cry :(
Yep, its only real weakness. Of course, it simply...to get kills, you have to fly up the bad guy's butt..........and shoot your way out from the inside. :D
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The Yak seems like another ride that is spawned too much like bunny rabits in mating season. Guess i should just go to AVA or wait for the combat tour thing to start up to go against a more varied demographic of planes instead of everyone flying the same thing. I guess if i can't beat em i should putz around in my la or spitfire, there's so many i'm about to just give up. I guess in a few years the game will be an all spitfire simulator like falcon 4, it'll be nothing but spits and la's and a bunch of guys flying around in those manueverable little easy rides that are easy to master as soon as you jump into the game. Yep we'll just be flying around furballing and every other aspect of the game will be gone then it'll just be the same boring matchup with nothing else to go against. AH the spitfire simulator kinda like IL2 with fewer planes available.:O
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
Guess i should just go to AVA or wait for the combat tour thing to start up to go against a more varied demographic of planes instead of everyone flying the same thing.
Sorry, in ToD or AVA you will see actually a LESS varied demographic of planes. In them MA you will find most planes, though of course that 44/45 rides do way outnumber the rest. Everbody will "fly the same thing" at a given time, for example in an AVA or ToD 1943 setting just P38, P51 / Fw190A, Bf109G6. I wouldn´t call that "variety".
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
The Yak seems like another ride that is spawned too much like bunny rabits in mating season.
Not from my perspective. I only go up against another Yak flyer on occasion, and I love those fights using equal planes. I remember fighting a 9T with my 9U, and the skill of the 9T pilot was amazing considering he had that 37mm tater gun to lug around. I go my butt kicked before help came along and I got him back.
Again, I love that plane for its small but deadly ammo load and it's agility, but I am by no means very good at flying it. It still has enough drawbacks for it to not be perked. One main fact about it is that there are a few planes I can turnfight the Yak with, but most (especially Spits, A6m's, Niks, F4U's, Ponies, and sometimes the P38) I lose against.
As far as how the Yak does against bombers, lets just say the 9U seems to be great if your a pyromaniac. The 9T will eat up a Lancaster, but again, there's not enough ammo for the formation, so the buff pilot gets to go home.
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I've just watched ledpig stats ... it's obvious his problems are not perk related.
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fair do's bighorn. i'd agree that it is heavily used and that it is fairly uber, but the general skill level of the guys that fly them means that they arent a massive threat. personally i dont see a big reason to perk it ust because of high usage, as the dweebs would all move into the next suitably uber ride. i think a plane should only ever really be perked for rarity/extreme speed, unless extreme curcumstances say otherwise.
until it gets really bad i think perking the 16 wouldnt be a great idea
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I guess if i can't beat em i should putz around in my la or spitfire
I happen to like the spitfire. The Spit-14 is my favorite, followed closely by the Seafire. I don't like to spend perks, so it's a rare occasion you will see me in a perked ride. That being said, what's wrong with flying Spitfires? Or La's for that matter. I see more LA-7's than anything else unless there is a CV around, but so what?
I was coming in from a CV in a D-hog heavy yesterday, trying to get alt. to drop my ords in an attempt to get a GV base near the coast, the CV was close in so I was trying to get my alt. on wep pulling near a stall. I look above me & see a P-51 so I level off to get some speed. I see him invert & tip his wing to drop in on me so I flip over into a shallow dive & dump my ords. He was on me so fast I didn't build up much speed & was forced close to the deck within seconds, my two or three jinks left me with no E at all turning with flaps trying to avoid him. - I died.
I upped again in a seafire & promptly ran into an La-7 with alt. & speed. This time I out turned him, got him low & I was in his six about 800 out with him extending (apparently) on wep. He was slowly gaining distance when I saw a squaddie of mine in trouble with a 190; I asked him if he needed a hand, he said yes, & I broke off to help him out. After the 190 got my partner & I got the 190; I look back to see tracers & the La 200 off my six. - I died.
Both instances were all my fault & it wouldn't have mattered to me if they were flying those planes after paying the few perks they would cost when they killed me. I mean, really unless HT perked them like a 262, you'll still see them by the bucket full. The only difference is they won't be flown by the innocent new guy who you have a good chance of killing.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Ledpig, to boil this down, you chose to fly a certain plane, and all those other guys also chose to fly certain planes. What you're saying is that all those other guys should have to fly something else, because you think they should.
How exactly does one rationalize that logic?
i couldn't agree more hubs! well said.
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Here's a remarkable new concept to try wrapping your minds around: worry less about what other people fly and more about what you fly. If you don't enjoy the game because others enjoy flying a certain type of plane, deal with it and stop trying to legislate choice. Whose fault is it if you lack the skill to fly whatever plane you enjoy against whatever plane others enjoy?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
I agree with Urchin on the previous comments i think theres a preponderance of newbs who don't want to fly anything different from a spit or La because their easier furballing planes. I don't like flying them to much because their use is so much of a no-brainer that i get bored with them. At least when flying some of the more difficult types you have think how your going to use it against these disimiliar planes and use your advantage to win. The employing of tactics nessessary in flying a 47, 38, fw-190 or something makes them more fun for me than just mindless furballing in a spitfire.
So what if flying a Spitfire is boring to you?
The question should be, do any of these games effect the game balance in a negative way? And the simple answer is no they don't.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Here's a remarkable new concept to try wrapping your minds around: worry less about what other people fly and more about what you fly. If you don't enjoy the game because others enjoy flying a certain type of plane, deal with it and stop trying to legislate choice. Whose fault is it if you lack the skill to fly whatever plane you enjoy against whatever plane others enjoy?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Think thats being a little harsh, unless you are basically saying "Gee, retards, stop handicapping yourselves and jump in an EL gay or Spit like everyone else."
Sometimes I feel like that.
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It wasn't harsh I don't think but rather straight to the point and Levi is right. If LEPIG would spend more time learning how to fight in the plane of his choice and not worry what the other guy is flying, he'll have far more enjoyment of the game. Basically, LEPIG wants to perk the planes he can't fight against.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
T I guess in a few years the game will be an all spitfire simulator like falcon 4, it'll be nothing but spits and la's and a bunch of guys flying around in those manueverable little easy rides that are easy to master as soon as you jump into the game.
...and noobs wonder why old timers give them so much grief in here. :lol
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Is it me or does Ledpig remind anyone of Zazen??? LOLH:D
Let the noobs fly what they want. The only time things get to be a problem is when you are on a map without a FT and all you run into are dweebs that run. :D LOLH
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I was coming in from a CV in a D-hog heavy yesterday, trying to get alt. to drop my ords in an attempt to get a GV base near the coast, the CV was close in so I was trying to get my alt. on wep pulling near a stall. I look above me & see a P-51 so I level off to get some speed. I see him invert & tip his wing to drop in on me so I flip over into a shallow dive & dump my ords. He was on me so fast I didn't build up much speed & was forced close to the deck within seconds, my two or three jinks left me with no E at all turning with flaps trying to avoid him. - I died.
If I was in an FM2, P38-J, P-47-D11, P-40, F6-F, Hurri II, Hurri I, A6m2B, F4-U-1, D3A, C205, Ki-61 ... u would have died just the same.
I upped again in a seafire & promptly ran into an La-7 with alt. & speed. This time I out turned him, got him low & I was in his six about 800 out with him extending (apparently) on wep. He was slowly gaining distance when I saw a squaddie of mine in trouble with a 190; I asked him if he needed a hand, he said yes, & I broke off to help him out. After the 190 got my partner & I got the 190; I look back to see tracers & the La 200 off my six. - I died.
Want the truth ... in this sortie ... your SA sucked and thats what killed you ... not the La-7 ... it could have been a ... FM2, P38-J, P-47-D11, P-40, F6-F, Hurri II, Hurri I, A6m2B, F4-U-1, D3A, C205, Ki-61 ... u would have died just the same.
Both instances were all my fault & it wouldn't have mattered to me if they were flying those planes after paying the few perks they would cost when they killed me.
Glad you realize that it was your fault ... so basically, your reasons for wanting to perk certain planes is moot for the reasons that I gave above ... u would have died just the same, regardless of what the other guy was flying.
So you want to get a warm fuzzy feeling when dieing, due to the fact that you died to a "perk" plane ... and ignoring the reality that you might have died cause the other guy is better than you or you need further improvement.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It wasn't harsh I don't think but rather straight to the point and Levi is right. If LEPIG would spend more time learning how to fight in the plane of his choice and not worry what the other guy is flying, he'll have far more enjoyment of the game. Basically, LEPIG wants to perk the planes he can't fight against.
ack-ack
Exactly !!! :aok
For example ... let's take a high ENY plane and a pilot ... the P-47.
YUCCA, for all intents and purposes, flys the Jug exclusively, and is extremely dangerous, deadly, and successful in the Jug ... against any plane.
Never have I seen him come in here and piss and moan about what other people fly ... and poor him in is big fat Jug.
This is probably due to the fact that he has worked his bellybutton off learning the Jug and what it can do, and at the same time learning what the the other planes can't do.
I know this is novel concept for most in the MA ... they would rather come in here a piss and moan and plead for perking.
I could care less what you fly ... just as long as you FIGHT in it ... kill me ... big fuggin deal ... I have a new plane waiting for me in the hanger ... right next to Guppy's new plane ... ;)
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Anyone remember when ht limit planesets on fester's map? Wow what a rush, I have never had so much fun playing on furball island. No buffs to kill gv's and everyone flying 1941-2 planeset. Everyone warping 1k away from each other and not complaining :> Warping because of the great gv battles you witness from the low alt dogfighting.
In my perfect picture of AHII, I would be allowed to play this type of setup on every map.
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Originally posted by MonsterO
Anyone remember when ht limit planesets on fester's map? Wow what a rush, I have never had so much fun playing on furball island. No buffs to kill gv's and everyone flying 1941-2 planeset. Everyone warping 1k away from each other and not complaining :> Warping because of the great gv battles you witness from the low alt dogfighting.
In my perfect picture of AHII, I would be allowed to play this type of setup on every map.
Yeah, but 10 minutes after the regular arena opened the limited one was empty. People vote with their feet, and even though I wish I could have fought that day (WORK....ugh) most everyone seemed to think the current MA was better.
Sigh.
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Originally posted by straffo
I've just watched ledpig stats ... it's obvious his problems are not perk related.
I will make one recommendation to ledpig after looking at his stats.
Led go to the TA and ask for some help. This is not meant as a put down, but there is something fundamentally wrong . I am by no means an upper echelon AH pilot. But i am willing to bet you have some basic flaws that trainers will spot and help you correct.
Please take this in the spirit intended.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Simaril
Yeah, but 10 minutes after the regular arena opened the limited one was empty. People vote with their feet, and even though I wish I could have fought that day (WORK....ugh) most everyone seemed to think the current MA was better.
Sigh.
It was not limited, only on fester's map on furball island. I most of played over 10 hours that day:>
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It wasn't harsh I don't think but rather straight to the point and Levi is right. If LEPIG would spend more time learning how to fight in the plane of his choice and not worry what the other guy is flying, he'll have far more enjoyment of the game. Basically, LEPIG wants to perk the planes he can't fight against.
ack-ack
I think one of the worst things a new pilot can do is... jump from ac to ac.
Stick to 1 ac learn it and then move on. Also picking an aircraft with gentle stall should be used. They didn't stick new pilots in 51-Ds first day of flight training did they?
Bronk
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Originally posted by Simaril
Yeah, but 10 minutes after the regular arena opened the limited one was empty. People vote with their feet, and even though I wish I could have fought that day (WORK....ugh) most everyone seemed to think the current MA was better.
Sigh.
I guess you don't remember ... when FesterMA was first introduced to the MA, the airfields on furball island were limited to the "early" plane set ... and it was MUCH fun.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I guess you don't remember ... when FesterMA was first introduced to the MA, the airfields on furball island were limited to the "early" plane set ... and it was MUCH fun.
I do remember that, and yea.. it was fun.
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wow slap. didn't know that. was grounded then.
that would be cool . . .
so 109e
spit and hurr1's
p40b
that it?
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Originally posted by Pooface
fair do's bighorn. i'd agree that it is heavily used and that it is fairly uber, but the general skill level of the guys that fly them means that they arent a massive threat. personally i dont see a big reason to perk it ust because of high usage, as the dweebs would all move into the next suitably uber ride. i think a plane should only ever really be perked for rarity/extreme speed, unless extreme curcumstances say otherwise.
Aye, I've never said to perk it :D
Agreed on overusage. Perking should be the last resort and only then when there's no other options left to save the gameplay.
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Originally posted by Hap
wow slap. didn't know that. was grounded then.
that would be cool . . .
so 109e
spit and hurr1's
p40b
that it?
zeke too, few more iirc.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I guess you don't remember ... when FesterMA was first introduced to the MA, the airfields on furball island were limited to the "early" plane set ... and it was MUCH fun.
Think that was before my time.... I thought you were referring to the more recent "special event" when the MA was down and HTC gave the backup MA over to early rides like the P40. Looked forward to that, but it was empty when I got off work.
What you desribe sounds like ENORMOUS fun. Did HT ever explain why the limitation was reversed, so the bases had all planes eligible?
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
WAAH!!
I've noticed that this guy sure does bellyache an awful lot.
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oh no not another perk these planes i cant kill them thread
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Originally posted by Urchin
Think thats being a little harsh, unless you are basically saying "Gee, retards, stop handicapping yourselves and jump in an EL gay or Spit like everyone else."
My point is that people fly planes that these other planes clearly outmatch, and when they find that they can't defeat those planes with regularity they cry that HTC should perk the other planes. If a person wants a challenge, then they should deal with the fact that what they fly is challenging; perking the planes that actually present challenges to these planes does what exactly? It removes the challenge by removing the problem planes.
If these kinds of players want to reduce the skill needed to do well in poorly performing planes by perking all of the planes that perform well, why not just spare everyone and fly La7s or Spits instead? That, to me, seems a far more elegant and simple solution.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I'm still a newb here, but I can say that someone who joins in April and immediately starts *****ing about things they don't like in the game and crying that they're getting their bellybutton handed to them by better pilots is pretty much an idiot.
Like others have said, this game has a hell of a learning curve, and by blaming the GAME for your inability to play well or enjoy yourself, you're just advertising that you're an idiot. Maybe the game's not for you, but to expect the game to change for you? That's just dumb.
Write to Valve and tell them Half-Life 2 should be easier and the headcrabs shouldn't move so damn fast. Or tell WoW that the other players should be nicer to you and all speak English. You'll get the same result (actually maybe a little more ridicule).
This is not directed at anyone in particular, just in case you were wondering. It's totally a hypothetical situation, I mean, IF someone was to do this, that's what I'd think. Not that it's happened already or anything.
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Just disable the 3-cannon version of the La-7. Only a few hundred were built, and with 33% less lethality the HO'n'Go clique will be at a jousting disadvantage and would have to either "fight or switch."
I'd say to perk the 3-cannon variant, but no one would ever fly it then so may as well disable it.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
My point is that people fly planes that these other planes clearly outmatch, and when they find that they can't defeat those planes with regularity they cry that HTC should perk the other planes. If a person wants a challenge, then they should deal with the fact that what they fly is challenging; perking the planes that actually present challenges to these planes does what exactly? It removes the challenge by removing the problem planes.
If these kinds of players want to reduce the skill needed to do well in poorly performing planes by perking all of the planes that perform well, why not just spare everyone and fly La7s or Spits instead? That, to me, seems a far more elegant and simple solution.
-- Todd/Leviathn
I understand what you are saying, and if I was coming from the same view as you I'd totally agree. But you (and I think everyone else lambasting this guy) are coming from the position of "oh man, you suck so you want the "good planes" perked because you can't kill them."
I'm coming from the position of "Ok, so this guy is tired of seeing the same 5 planes over and over and over and over and over and over and over..."
I am pretty sure I've been consistant in my belief that either whats perked now should be unperked, or the "top tier" planes should be perked simply because the difference in performance between the top tier planes and the current perk planes is smaller than the difference between the first and second tier. In fact, the difference is .. none. The Spit 16 and La-7 dominate the "lesser planes" just as much as the F4U-4 or Tempest would, so there is no real reason to have any prop plane perked.
You can impugn my "skill" if you want to, and say that I only want the best planes perked because I can't kill them... but I think we both know that is nonsense.
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Maybe if it was a low perk plane like the TA-152... it's not all or nothing.
Haven't figured out why the TA-152 is perked, is it just to keep n00bs out of it so they won't freak out when they rip the wings off on a 3G turn?
I like the LA-7, maybe down the ammo load so the HO isn't really a smart optionl? Dunno.
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Originally posted by Bronk
I think one of the worst things a new pilot can do is... jump from ac to ac.
Stick to 1 ac learn it and then move on. Also picking an aircraft with gentle stall should be used. They didn't stick new pilots in 51-Ds first day of flight training did they?
Bronk
I agree. One should gain experience before trying out new planes. Helps a lot IMO.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I agree. One should gain experience before trying out new planes. Helps a lot IMO.
ack-ack
P38 would be a bad choice to learn, unless he's got a thing for dying.
;)
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Originally posted by Urchin
I understand what you are saying, and if I was coming from the same view as you I'd totally agree. But you (and I think everyone else lambasting this guy) are coming from the position of "oh man, you suck so you want the "good planes" perked because you can't kill them."
I'm coming from the position of "Ok, so this guy is tired of seeing the same 5 planes over and over and over and over and over and over and over..."
I am pretty sure I've been consistant in my belief that either whats perked now should be unperked, or the "top tier" planes should be perked simply because the difference in performance between the top tier planes and the current perk planes is smaller than the difference between the first and second tier. In fact, the difference is .. none. The Spit 16 and La-7 dominate the "lesser planes" just as much as the F4U-4 or Tempest would, so there is no real reason to have any prop plane perked.
You can impugn my "skill" if you want to, and say that I only want the best planes perked because I can't kill them... but I think we both know that is nonsense.
Urchin I reread his post and made a second reply.
The guy is new to the game and clearly likes the american iron (specifically the 38 by the times killed in it).
I feel the 38 is one of the hardest planes to master especially for new player. Compound it by the anecdotal stories of this AC you'd think the thing was untouchable.
Now the new player is in hard plane to fly but thinks he is in the greatest thing since sliced bread. What happens when he starts getting his rear shot off? I'll tell you what you get.. The FM is porked , perk everything that kills me threads.
I think Ledpig is a new guy that would benefit from some TA sessions.
Also I think it would be a benefit if he'd get use to the game flying an "easy" AC. Once you get the basics it becomes much more easy to transition to another ac .
Once again I am no upper tier AH pilot but I know what works.
There is a reason drivers don't start out in F1 and the same applies here.
Bronk
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Glad you realize that it was your fault ... so basically, your reasons for wanting to perk certain planes is moot for the reasons that I gave above ... u would have died just the same, regardless of what the other guy was flying.
What the hell are you going on about slapshot? Are you mental? Jesus Christ; some of you guys are so retarded I don't see how you can get out of bed in the morning.
Edit: Nevermind; I see you're a BK. I didn't realize you were just trolling, I thought you were really that stupid. Since it is PLAINLY obvious I am against perking them. Do you guys attend troll classes or something?
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Perks were 1st introduced to keep one plane from amounting to 50%+ of the sorties flown, at that time it was the F4U-1C. Back then we only had a few planes and the Chog was everywhere. Now we have dozens of aircraft, and although the Spit/Nik/ElGay still equal about 40% of the sorties flown it is nothing like it was back when the sky was full of blue-winged hizooka spewers.
I am in full agreement with proposals like the age-old NPA. Or to make it simpler perk everything that saw combat after 1942. But Hitech has been quite clear in the past that these thoughts will NOT be implemented so save your virtual breath.
The future of this game is all about getting new customers, and with about 5,000 people paying to play every month (do the math) you can see that the $$$ speaks louder than any BBS posters ever will. Nobody will subscribe if they come to AH to fly "the cadillac of the skies" as claimed by the history channel and advertised on cable-TV and find out they need to earn points flying slow-moving or poorly armed peices of crap first. I suggested once that all new subscribers get 1,000 free perks when they subscribe but again those ideas are dead.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I am pretty sure I've been consistant in my belief that either whats perked now should be unperked, or the "top tier" planes should be perked simply because the difference in performance between the top tier planes and the current perk planes is smaller than the difference between the first and second tier. In fact, the difference is .. none. The Spit 16 and La-7 dominate the "lesser planes" just as much as the F4U-4 or Tempest would, so there is no real reason to have any prop plane perked.
If HTC perks planes because of their overabundance, they merely create a new set of planes that dominate the arena and become overabundant. For example, if HTC were to make all planes perk free, what sorts of planes do you expect to see dominating the arena? I'm guessing that 262s, Tempests, and 163s would abound. When you perk those, La7s and Spits abound. When you perk those, Typhoons, P-47s, and P-51s abound. When you perk those, P-38s, P-40s, and Ki-61s abound, etc etc ad nauseum.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Rotating availability for certain planes might be cool?
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Originally posted by Brenjen
Edit: Nevermind; I see you're a BK. I didn't realize you were just trolling, I thought you were really that stupid.
No, Slapshot actually is that stupid.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by 2bighorn
I'm just about giving up on all guys with words 'viper', 'ace', 'hell', 'krusher' etc in their callsign...
Don't blame me it was my lame bro who made the account
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Originally posted by Brenjen
What the hell are you going on about slapshot? Are you mental? Jesus Christ; some of you guys are so retarded I don't see how you can get out of bed in the morning.
Edit: Nevermind; I see you're a BK. I didn't realize you were just trolling, I thought you were really that stupid. Since it is PLAINLY obvious I am against perking them. Do you guys attend troll classes or something?
Yes I am a BK ... but I can assure you that I am neither stupid or trolling.
You presented 2 stories of sorties that you had where a P-51 and a La-7 killed you, trying to say that if they were perked, you would feel a whole lot better being killed by them if they were perked.
Here ... let me remind you ...
"Both instances were all my fault & it wouldn't have mattered to me if they were flying those planes after paying the few perks they would cost when they killed me."
So it's not so PLAINLY obvious that you are against perking them.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
No, Slapshot actually is that stupid.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Bite me ya tool !!!! :mad:
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Yes I am a BK ... but I can assure you that I am neither stupid or trolling.
You presented 2 stories of sorties that you had where a P-51 and a La-7 killed you, trying to say that if they were perked, you would feel a whole lot better being killed by them if they were perked.
Here ... let me remind you ...
"Both instances were all my fault & it wouldn't have mattered to me if they were flying those planes after paying the few perks they would cost when they killed me."
So it's not so PLAINLY obvious that you are against perking them.
He presented two stories where he died to the planes in question, and clearly stated the only reason he died to them was due to his own mistake, not because the P-51 or La-7 are "uber".
He also said (first off, I might add, where you for some reason omitted during your tirade-reply):I happen to like the spitfire. The Spit-14 is my favorite, followed closely by the Seafire. I don't like to spend perks, so it's a rare occasion you will see me in a perked ride. That being said, what's wrong with flying Spitfires? Or La's for that matter. I see more LA-7's than anything else unless there is a CV around, but so what?
So I am not sure where you got your panties in a wad thinking he advocated perking anything.
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Originally posted by Edbert1
Perks were 1st introduced to keep one plane from amounting to 50%+ of the sorties flown, at that time it was the F4U-1C. Back then we only had a few planes and the Chog was everywhere. Now we have dozens of aircraft, and although the Spit/Nik/ElGay still equal about 40% of the sorties flown it is nothing like it was back when the sky was full of blue-winged hizooka spewers.
Curious Edbert -- is there a place to find number of sorties each plane made? I ask because in another thread Stang said something to the effect that 50% of planes were La-7s or Spit XVIs. I used kill / death percentages and came up with less than 17% - add Niki and it would be about 25% or less of fighters, i.e. after removing all bombers and GVs from the mix.
But, in "pure" terms, kills and deaths are not sorties, but they should correlate closely. Hence my question about if sortie info is available.
But I just thought of another question (in general, not just to Edbert) -- is the perception of how common La-7s and Spit XVIs are possibly due to area of the map frequented? I am thinking "furball" areas vs "win-the-war" areas, but it could also be Knight vs Rook area, or something else entirely (early evening vs late evening vs during the day??). Point of my question, in my perception (and numbers seem to back) they are not quite as common as many apparently believe.
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Originally posted by Stang
P38 would be a bad choice to learn, unless he's got a thing for dying.
;)
Really? Glad I don't die to often in it otherwise I'd probably be whining to perk the La7 too =)
ack-ack
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Rotating availability for certain planes might be cool?
Rolling plane set is not the way to go.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Rolling plane set is not the way to go.
ack-ack
Why not akak?
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Originally posted by scottydawg
"Rotating availability for certain planes might be cool?"
To which Ack-Ack answered
"Rolling plane set is not the way to go."
I believe he said 'For certain planes'.
And RPS has been in use in the AvA (ex-CT) this year (every now and then), the people who play in there have seemed to like it. Especially this current setup (BoB --> Rhine 1945) has attracted players in there.
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You presented 2 stories of sorties that you had where a P-51 and a La-7 killed you, trying to say that if they were perked, you would feel a whole lot better being killed by them if they were perked
That's all you baby; I never suggested any such thing. You are most definitely just trolling.
E25280 understood clearly. :aok
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All of you make some pretty good points specifically the more training one. It seems everybody here has put the guy who gets killed by certain planes thing in my mouth, i'm just tired of seeing the same planes over and over and wonder if the gameplay of this game will degenerate such to the fact that it will become intolerable and their will be a time where there will be such a small amount of planes being used and the tactics being used, that it becomes uninteresting. Uninteresting for some interesting for some. I hope this game doesn't degenerate into an arcade game, it really wouldn't matter i'd just get another one. My scores are not as important to me as the people who have seemed to go in my personal records and bring that up as a matter in this discussion. It doesn't really matter one way or the other for me it just seems as if the gameplay is a bit ridiculous sometimes and hope it doesn't go any further that way, That's all. I never tried to suggest any of this stuff you people are saying
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
All of you make some pretty good points specifically the more training one. It seems everybody here has put the guy who gets killed by certain planes thing in my mouth, i'm just tired of seeing the same planes over and over and wonder if the gameplay of this game will degenerate such to the fact that it will become intolerable and their will be a time where there will be such a small amount of planes being used that it becomes uninteresting. I'm new to this online game thing it's scary to me that a bunch of adults act so serious about something that doesn't matter and that it's hard for people to comprehend your real point. It doesn't really matter one way or the other for me it just seems as if the gameplay is a bit ridiculous sometimes and hope it doesn't go any further that way, That's all.
Led it is all to easy to look at what kills you the most.
You have 52 deaths to the XVI and 33 to the N1K2 .
So yes an assumption is made that's why you want them perked.
Like I keep saying go to the TA and pick an easy plane to learn in.
All the rest will come with time.
Bronk
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Led, you'd do better to stop playing the victim all the time. Enough with the crying about how "you are so suprised about how some act etc." IMO.
Rolling plane set works in AvA because you expect to log in there and be limited. In the MA that is not the case and thus a RPS would suck. People go to the MA for a lot of reasons, one is to fly whatever plane they want without being limited. I understand Perks and ENY limit somewhat, but nothing like an RPS would.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
That's all you baby; I never suggested any such thing. You are most definitely just trolling.
E25280 understood clearly. :aok
Both you and E25280 need to read better.
One more time ... here is what you said ... and what I read ... pay attention to the BOLD part.
"Both instances were all my fault & it wouldn't have mattered to me if they were flying those planes after paying the few perks they would cost when they killed me."
So ... I infered from that, that it bothered you that they killed you ... but it wouldn't have bothered you if they had paid a "few perks" to kill you.
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Originally posted by mars01
Rolling plane set works in AvA because you expect to log in there and be limited. In the MA that is not the case and thus a RPS would suck. People go to the MA for a lot of reasons, one is to fly whatever plane they want without being limited. I understand Perks and ENY limit somewhat, but nothing like an RPS would.
Yep, MA would only suffer from such restrictions, I wasn't even suggesting anything like that for the MA. It's fun as it is, IMO.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Both you and E25280 need to read better.
One more time ... here is what you said ... and what I read ... pay attention to the BOLD part.
"Both instances were all my fault & it wouldn't have mattered to me if they were flying those planes after paying the few perks they would cost when they killed me."
So ... I infered from that, that it bothered you that they killed you ... but it wouldn't have bothered you if they had paid a "few perks" to kill you.
Slapshot, you need to comprehend what you read as a whole & stop trying to take a few words out of the middle of a sentence. Here is what you're doing; read the bold part:TROLLING :rofl
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
i'm just tired of seeing the same planes over and over and wonder if the gameplay of this game will degenerate such to the fact that it will become intolerable and their will be a time where there will be such a small amount of planes being used and the tactics being used, that it becomes uninteresting.
I can tell you almost with 100% certainty that you will keep seeing "the same" planes over and over.. etc.
The top 5 planes consistantly make up ~35-40% of the planes flying around.. out of the total number of planes.
The top 5 may change from month to month (not as much as you'd think.. the Spit 9 started out as one, then the best Spit was found to be the 5, so it took the 9s place, then the 5 was nuetered and the 16 introduced, etc), but there will always be a top 5 making up 35-40% of the kills.
So yea, I think your choices are A. burn out on the game (usually takes at least a year), B. join the horde of Spits & La's, or C. join the horde of spits and La's and burn out anyway.
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Your right Urchin, whatever, it's not that big of deal, i was just wondering, game is fun anyway. This thread sure seems to be going on a long time lol:)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Really? Glad I don't die to often in it otherwise I'd probably be whining to perk the La7 too =)
ack-ack
La7's don't fly at 45k
:D
How was E3?
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Originally posted by Stang
La7's don't fly at 45k
:D
How was E3?
Hehe I dunno...I've seen some Rookies and Bishops flying that high lately =P
E3 was good but no one game stands out and makes you say "wow". I was though seriously disappointed by the lack of Booth Babes this year. I guess political correctness has finally hit E3 =(. My girlfriend did manage to get some invites to an after party tonight that is going to have MC Mike play...wonder what he'll sound like without the other two Beastie Boys. All in all, E3 was fun...nice to see old friends again.
ack-ack
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So....if I start flying LaLa's, Spities, Typhies, and ...apparently... Yaks :confused: almost exclusively, there are people here who will be in such a frothing fit over it they'll suffer themselves a mischief?
:huh
I'm in! :t
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GAWD!!:cry
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If you want "more realistic" combat, join the SEA or AvsA..... snapshops, FSOs, escort.... pretty even matches, and a nice change of pace from MA.
For me, I'm not a great fighter pilot, much better in a buff... but when flying fighters in MA I pick the tool for the job.
On defense: ack is still up, VH spewing little GV's all over, I'll grab a Yak or Kia-84 and defend the airfield up close. Try to draw the vulchers in for me or my little GV buddies to swat, and generally try to keep the runway clear for lifters. (That's If I'm not dropping field supplies or gunning my quad-50 against vulchers).
If ack and VH flat, lot's of DeeFire Mark-16's buzzing overhead, heck yes I'll grab an La-5 or La7.... preferable from another close field... and B&Z them..... Maybe a Typhie, if enemy GV's also a problem. Or a Temp if price right and enough fellow defenders in area.
Hunting sub-orbital buffs (and I'm one often enough myself), used to be Ta-152, but the radiator in it is as vulnerable as a Typhies, so I'll try to get a Jug up there if there is time. Bf109K-4 if I'm scrambling to get high fast. Sometimes G10 or G2 with gondolas if I need cannon.
Escorting buffs.... Pony or Jug. JABO flight and vulching, Pony or Typhie.
I'm very rarely in Spits or the navy planes. German planes I take for interceptor roll. I almost never fly Hurries (or Lancs for the matter).
Having fun in a furball, C205 sometimes.
Fly what you want, where you want. Not having fun, move elsewhere or try something different.
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Slapshot you are too kind my friend! Flyin jug can be difficult, makes it frustrating when flying against good spit16 pilots. But you for the most part are faster than them. They out climb/out accel/out turn/ out roll the jug. But one thing it can't do like the jug is slow down like it hit a brick wall and throw out massive firepower at long ranges.
Spit16's retain E pretty well so it's quite easy to make them overshoot. If you tease them in and just make it so they avoid the shot and they blow by you going 10mph faster they'll almost always scissor the wrong way and fly into 50 cal.
If they try to split S you can cut the turn by slowing down even faster, cutting the angle and achieving another deflection shot. Trick is to always watch where they're going. Most of the time i know where they're gonna go before they do :D
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Tried the AVA Arena the other day got into some great fights, good teamwork and the action seemed a bit more historic. Sometimes it seems in the MA the action is a bunch of engagements with no particular purpose just a bunch of people gangbanging each other flying the same planes with very little tactics. I guess i enjoy the 1v1 engagement where i can engage in the intricate balet of aerial combat. I also enjoy employing the various tactics just to see how they work. In the Ma sometimes it seems like a roiling mess of activity with everyone beating up on each other and employing very little tactics. Seems like a lot people vulching each other and caring little about anything but score and doing anything to put up numbers and step on peoples toes and fun. My original intent of the post was to call attention to this and my hopes that this sim didn't become a sensless arcade game at which point AH would stop being what it is. That withsaying i think the MA should stay as it is and instead there should be seperate areas or arenas each simulating different periods of WW2 history. Such as Europe 1939-42, 1943-44, Pacific 1941-42 -1943-44 etc each with their respective plane sets so that anyone who wanted to fly a certain era could and could fly the plane they wanted against thier era's opponents, and the MA could be used for all out craziness, just a thought.:D
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Led hook up with a squad that flies squad ops.
I am quite sure you'll enjoy it.
Bronk
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What's that Bronk?:)
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You have a PM ledpig.
Bronk
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the only plane that really needs to be perked is the la7. i kill spits all day and night. easy kills IMO but the la7 that plane has perk writtin all over it.
now i dont die from la7s as much cause i know how to deal with them but still that plane IMO is that exact same thing as a f4u4 it cant turn as good but the guns make up for it. when ever i come across the LA it seems that it can climb forever. im just saying IMO perking the LA7 would make the game more fun.
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Kinda nice when I can just cut and paste what I said in the last thread about this :)
The planes aren't the issue so much as that which gets recognition in the arena.
Regardless of how they're shot down, folks notice the "so and so landed 14 kills in an LA7 of the 'Vulchers are Us' Squadron", followed by a chorus of "attaboys" from the crowd. Landing a bunch of kills for your 'attaboy' is what becomes the drug for the crowd. As long as that is the measuring stick for recognition, the crowds will fly what they think will allow them to Ho, vulch and escape.
Personally I could care less what the other guy is in at this point. But then again if I can survive actual air to air fights and land a couple halfway earned kills now and then, I figure I'm doing OK.
I'd prefer that what I fly is my choice and I'd have a hard time with someone else dicating my choices. I'll probably be in a P38G for the going to their place for a fight and a Spit 8 to defend my place, but again it's my choice as I have fun in those birds.
If the other guy wants an LA7 that bad or a Spit 16, so be it.
I still say unperk em all and let the AH gods sort em out.
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perk everything but hot air ballooons with mounted 40cals.