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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: FiLtH on May 10, 2006, 01:58:08 PM
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Bomber,Escort,and Intercept leaders will be needed. Please volunteer.
Everyone is welcome...just come in before mission launches and grab a slot in the mission. Axis guys usually have a guy willing to make an intercept mission too.
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FINALLY!! Thursdays my last day off this week, I was starting to worry I would miss out. :)
BTW- I think we'll have the G14 too :t
Edit- Just checked the MOTD, not til saturday :cry
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LOLOL. nice foot note Filth...
I swear that I wasnt over the line when I engaged that last set of B-26s. :p :t
Ya know, its just like F-86s NEVER chasing Migs past the Yalu River :aok ;)
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Anyone noticed that the Axis flyers who dont read the BB never believe us when we tell them about the breakoff line?
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What I find amazing is how many actually wait for the intercept point and honor the line. Its a good reflection of the players I think who have the discipline to wait, or release. Good guys to play with.
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I thought I added this to the above post but apparantly it didnt take. We will use this technique for our bomb drops. When I make the mission I will have 4 bomber flights in it. Each will have a name, red,blue,green,or gold. All bombs will be released on the target in one pass. Time them to cause as much damage as possible.
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I'm tempted to grab a P-38 for this one...
UGHH, the agony!
I don't know what to do!!!
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Originally posted by Treize69
I'm tempted to grab a P-38 for this one...
UGHH, the agony!
I don't know what to do!!!
Don't do it white ! Plat will have you over the coals lol Anyway i like flying and dying to you Grupul boys so don't go spoiling my fun lol
Hey ! Tell plat he better not be lurkin at 28k again just waiting for me too...
Hawco :aok
PS reading a book called "Mustang Ace" right now, Turns out a romanian fighter pilot called Captain Constanzio (or something) arranged for the escape of hundreds of Allied prisoners from romania, very interesting..
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http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/cantacuzino/cantacuzino.htm
:)Don't do it white ! Plat will have you over the coals lol Anyway i like flying and dying to you Grupul boys so don't go spoiling my fun lol
But its the 38J :cry :( :cry
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Originally posted by Hawco
Don't do it white ! Plat will have you over the coals lol Anyway i like flying and dying to you Grupul boys so don't go spoiling my fun lol
Hey ! Tell plat he better not be lurkin at 28k again just waiting
:lol :lol :lol
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Filth, looks good. I haven't played much lately, but I'll try to participate. By the way, I have a suggestion for future bomber events. In addition to the engagement line over the channel (there presumably to simulate the constraints faced by the LW in real life), you might consider putting a no-engagement zone around the target. This would be a circle of, say, 5 miles in radius, that represents the flak envelope around the target.
In real life, the LW fighters didn't follow the bombers into this zone, because flak was indescriminant about what it hits. Of course, in AH this is the best time to attack a buff, because the player is the gunner and the bombardier (can't do both at the same time). However, this does not match real life, so if the AH map target has flak covering it (which cities do), the LW players should break off and stay outside this no-engagement zone. While it is sometimes easy for the intercepting pilots to loose track of where they are when hunting the buffs, the puffy flak engaging the bombers should certainly remind them to break off.
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Puffy flak in AvA settings is just as indescriminate- and its useless either way up that high. I've been hit by "friendly" flak on attack runs a few times. Yet to see a bomber even smoking from a flak hit on any of these missions.
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I agree it would be cool, but probably it would require a Special Events Arena setup. Im not sure but I think the ack can be set to hurt both. Not real sure though. Actually I dont really know at all. Just wishful thinkin I guess :P But if it could be set to hurt both, and be more lethal, it would be easier to do that than to try to enforce an area the enemy has to stay out of over their own country.
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Originally posted by Platano
:lol :lol :lol
Yeah, yeah, If I see a G6/14 lurking at 28k and trying to swoop down, I'll know who it is...., you have been warned young skywalker:D
the Hawcmiester
Spoke to the Ministry of air today, said they are hard at it making a spit 14 and then sending over a huge raid to destroy the K4 plans...
:aok
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Although we looked great going to target, and our escort and gunnery performed well, the axis seemed to attack endlessly into our formation. Out of 15 B17s that left England, all but 6 were dead before reaching the continent. Out of those only 2 made it to target. Softtail got 4 kills and 15 bldgs plus assists! He is hereby awarded the Silver Star! I made it to target but only took out a QuikeeMart, and 1 kill. I'll give myself an Air Medal just for gettin there :)
Once again it was the Road to Rouen...or Ruin...which seems more fitting.
HQ expected losses, but a greater return as the town was only reduced to 85%. Not the required 10%. They are already planning another raid on the same target for Sunday night. The P38J was not well recieived by many pilots for the escort role.The P51B seemed better suited, and hopefully the D model will be operational soon. However, now that the bombsights have had better lenses installed, and all the bombers now have adequate heaters, the mission will be 25,000-27,000ft. It is hoped this will provide an advantage over the new 190A8. It was a devastating weapon that cant be allowed to roam free. The bomber crews need it. The morale cant take too many defeats like that :)
WTG ALL! See ya Sunday night! Look for Allied Mission 5 on this forum
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P-38s might have been more effective if we had had more of us (I think was just 2 of us by engagement time) and if there hadn't been such a distance between our patrol height (28-30K) and the buffs mission altitude (17-18K). At that altitude we were compressing in level flight, and by the time we dove down on the 190s we were so far back (or took so long to pull up onto them) that they could get a bomber or 2 and run for it. The buffs gunners accounted for more Germans than the escorts did.
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I got the first 110, which I met co-alt at 31,000 feet, but then overshot several 190s badly trying to cut them off from the bombers. Was forced to watch from a distance as the B-17s went down in flames, several times seeing 2 or 3 falling at once. While trying to cut inside the last 190 I engaged- and was about to kill- I was bounced by another 190 that nobody apparently saw (somehow? :huh ), and I got the first check 6 warning just as the 20mm shells started to slam home. Was forced to bale out, thankfully I landed far enough inland- but well away from any German bases- and I was picked up by the resistance, and will survive to fight another day. Unfortunately I can not say the same for the brave crews of the B-17s we were tasked to escort, as none of them made it home. An especially sad day for the 8th AAF.
to all the LW pilots involved, excellent shooting and well done!
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Originally posted by FiLtH
WTG ALL! See ya Sunday night! Look for Allied Mission 5 on this forum
The Mother's Day of all Missions?
The map is supposed to change from BoB to Rhine over the weekend. Will this affect your mission plans?
- oldman
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Well yes it would lol. I guess with FSO tonight, and a weekend change, I think that will wrap up this round of missions. I dont care for Rhine all that much, but we'll see.
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I dont care for Rhine all that much, but we'll see.
You don't care for spawning your bombers out at 15-K right off the bat and saving climbing too alt time?
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Ya I dont know why. Theres something about climbing out and bs'n and stuff that I enjoy. I guess for me and bombers the fun is getting there.
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I really gotta get in one of these bombing runs.
Filth, I got a question for ya.
Have you ever ran a successful HQ raid in the MA with b17s?
I have now tried 9 times.
Either we make it to the target but fail to knock it down, or we end up dying 50 miles before the target.
I once was able to get 7 b24s, but due to their lack of performance above 25k, we weren't able to climb above 25k and had to fight enemy planes other than 163s.
The only way I see a successful HQ raid is to up a minimum of 10 formations for b17s, and enter enemy airspace at 20k minimum. Continue to climb to 33k and set speed to normal power settings. Keep a tight formation the whole way to defend ourselves against 163s and for each bomber formation to have a gunner. Have our speed stablized 1 sector before target. Have speed not so fast, but fast enough to stay leveled. Only drop a salvo of 3. And make a 2nd pass at HQ within 15min of the first drop. Salvo of 3 is needed because if we do 6, most of those bombs won't hit the HQ building.
And I don't want to do an NOE single lancaster formation only to then dive bomb the hq. That would be the easy way.:D
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Kermit, from my experience, you can easily hit HQ with 6 eggs. It's 8 or more that you start missing. You have to set the delay to the smallest possible value, but I've done it. Not recently, but repeatedly. I used to use Lancs, and couldn't drop all 14 1k bombs at a time so I'd do half, turn and other half. It worked, though!
Getting a B17 fully loaded up to 33k, though? Good luck! Most top out at 29k unless they're empty of both gas and ord.
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It takes alot of eggs to kill it. That and all the rocket/jet cap you face dwindles your guys down quick. If I do one again it will be 20 formations of B24s w/ 4 2000lb eggs. More bang for buck in one tiny area. And of course bring along about 30 fighters.
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I tried b24s, but since we couldn't get above 25k, we had to fight off many planes besides 163s. B24's also climbed slower.
I managed to finally get a succesful HQ raid. 6 Formations managed to hit hq at 32k. We had 1 escort that helped fight all 3 planes during climb out and calibration. We only ran into 2 163s, but we were able to defend ourselves due to all of us being with 50m or less from each other in the formation. We all hit HQ. Some were a little short so maybe a few of the drop bombs hit. We only salvo'ed 3 bombs. 2 Formations did not salvo 3 and had salvo'd 6 against my advise. Most of their bombs missed the HQ. Even at a delay of 0.05, salvo 6 is way too much. Max salvo should be 4.
On the 2nd hq pass, only 3 formations were left with bombs at 32k. We all hit perfectly. The first 2 formation hit and the HQ was still up. A few seconds later, the last b17 formation hit hq and got the kill message.
3 formations rtb'd together in formation even while in descent. All within 50m from each other. During our turns and during final. We all had the same engine settings, climb rate, we drops flaps together and reduce manifold pressure 1 inch at a time together. We all touched down at about 100mph and stopped short of our drones on the runway. It was a perfect instrument landing :)
It only took 3 hours to complete and 4 formations made it back.
Very fun time.
P.S. 1 formation of bombers did not hit hq, instead he hit vehicle base near hq to prevent a resupply. But he did not hit target due to him being too busy shooting at enemy planes. We also had about 2 gunners with us.