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At least thats what 29% of Americans think.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush's job approval rating has hit a new low, with 29 percent of the U.S. public saying he is doing an "excellent or pretty good job," down from 35 percent in April, according to a Harris Interactive poll in The Wall Street Journal Online.
So who do Americans think would do a better job?
(CNN) -- In a new poll comparing President Bush's job performance with that of his predecessor, a strong majority of respondents said President Clinton outperformed Bush on a host of issues.
Respondents favored Clinton by greater than 2-to-1 margins when asked who did a better job at handling the economy (63 percent Clinton, 26 percent Bush) and solving the problems of ordinary Americans (62 percent Clinton, 25 percent Bush).
On foreign affairs, the margin was 56 percent to 32 percent in Clinton's favor; on taxes, it was 51 percent to 35 percent for Clinton; and on handling natural disasters, it was 51 percent to 30 percent, also favoring Clinton.
Moreover, 59 percent said Bush has done more to divide the country, while only 27 percent said Clinton had.
When asked which man was more honest as president, poll respondents were more evenly divided, with the numbers -- 46 percent Clinton to 41 percent Bush -- falling within the poll's margin of error. The same was true for a question on handling national security: 46 percent said Clinton performed better; 42 percent picked Bush.
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You hear that sucking sound?
It's the Bush legacy.
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Originally posted by Sandman
You hear that sucking sound?
It's the Bush legacy.
and I thought it was caused by air exiting the vacuum of the dumbacrat agenda of their solution
LOL
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The buck stops at the Oval.
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I don't claim to know enough about whether the Bush legacy will be positive or negative. I wish I had the same confidence that some of you do, but I am encumbered by needing facts instead of just parroting what friendly politicians say.
For example, take the Nixon administration. Very high approval ratings, he made tremendous strides in foreign relations, and in general was on his way to being one of the best respected presidents of the 20th century. One scandal, however, was the difference between a generation of kids with Nixon as their middle name and shame.
It works both ways. As low as the president's approval ratings might be now, there's no way to know how history will remember him until 10-20 years from now. While I personally disagree with a lot (A LOT) of his domestic policy changes (read: The erosion of the constitution, etc), I think it's equally possible that history will remember him as being "the guy who stuck it out and made the tough decisions" regarding extra-national threats. It's fashionable to focus on the WMD story, but that doesn't change the fact that a 100% KNOWN hostile world leader (who used outlawed chemical weapons on his own people, invaded and attacked other countries, and more) is out of power.
I know a bunch of you think that I'm some sort of weeny "liberal commie scum" for some reason, but disrespecting the office of the president and judging before the facts are in are both no-no's in my book. I disagree with a lot of things he's done, but I will stand when he enters the room, I will be polite, and I won't post any asinine elementary school insults that extremists on both sides lob back and forth. "Bushie"? You're absolutely entitled to your disagreement, it's protected by the constitution, but you look silly when you take someone's name and modify it to be perjorative. C'mon.
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Originally posted by Eagler
and I thought it was caused by air exiting the vacuum of the dumbacrat agenda of their solution
LOL
THAT is the funniest thing I've read all week. Seriously WHAT solution? ;)
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CNN is strictly anti-Bush so any poll sponsored by CNN has no genuine value to any thinking person.
As much as I have been disappointed in Bush (and my disappointment increases almost daily), Bush in no way generates the disgust Clinton does for me. Bill Clintons presidency will go down in history as nothing more than a cheap blow job. Regardless of what CNN thinks.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
THAT is the funniest thing I've read all week. Seriously WHAT solution? ;)
The democrats are clueless, but they're not the ones in control of Congress and the Presidency.
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Originally posted by Sandman
The democrats are clueless, but they're not the ones in control of Congress and the Presidency.
Ahh yes, it's the republicans that are in control so everything is their fault. Newsflash!!!!!! Even being the minority party the democrats have enough power to hold agenda items up in commitee for ever.
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Don't be silly, Sandman. Regardless of whether they're in control of congress or the white house, or whether they are even in the general vicinity when something bad happens, it's always the Democrats' fault. They hate America, kick puppy dogs, and eat babies.
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Are they pumping out a new poll every day? I can't remember this many new polls being churned out so quickly.
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in this thread so far 37.5% like bush.
on is suspicious of polsters & another is too lazy to open up calculator to convert fractions to percentages
:noid :D :furious :cry
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i guess it wouldn't really matter who was pres...everyone would hate him and blame him for everything anyways
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Originally posted by moneyguy
i guess it wouldn't really matter who was pres...everyone would hate him and blame him for everything anyways
The nation is polarized. You can expect that roughly 50% of the people will dislike the president, no matter who it is.
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This BBS can not be very representative of the general US public. It belongs to a wargame and has very few females (and no american) so one would expect it I guess. :)
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Those polls don't mean much. Bush has lost the approval of a lot of conservatives. He's a spend and spend more Republican and it doesn't well with a lot of conservatives. There are many other issues that hes failed to live to as well. The best news for the Democrats is the middle 1/3 of the country left the Bush bandwagon some time ago.
However, Howard Dean is doing a terrible job as DNC chairmen. Fund raising for the Democrats is down. Like Bush and the right, Dean and the left are having their own spat. If they nominate a die hard lefty they won't win in '08.
Overall these polls maybe good news for someone like McCain in '08.
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Originally posted by Bruno
Overall these polls maybe good news for someone like McCain in '08.
I hope not. I'm liking that sell-out less every damn day.
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it's all part of Nov 06 ..
the press states over and over again that Bush is bad, the country is failing and no one likes him (though the tax cuts continue and we were 80 something points from all time new DJ high last week :)), joe six pack gets it in his pee brain 'bush is bad, the minority like him.. I do not want to be in the minority... bush is republican .. do not want to be in the minority .. I will vote dumacrat... beep beep .. joe can't vote the issues as the dems don't have any and joe wouldn't understand them anyways..
the problem I have with Bush is that he does not grand stand every good thing and take all the credit for it though he may have had nothing to do with it and bite is lower lip during the bad times while blaming others like slick did .. now that's the makings of a great pres :)
the Bush legacy maybe determined by a dumbacrat ...
if/when one gets in the big house and withdraws our forces from the middle east while claiming it was all just a big oil right wing republican mistake/lie .. Iraq could end as a huge expensive failure ... and the dems hail themselves as some sort of heroes .. well at least until the 1st Iranian mushroom cloud blossoms over NY or LA..
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Originally posted by Eagler
.. Iraq could end as a huge expensive failure ...
Heh .. you say that as if it still has a chance to be hailed as a resounding success. That time came and went. Iraq is indeed hugely expensive ... and as time goes on, it's proving itself not to be the success this adminstration has decided it is, no matter what. It's damage control time. Practically any change of guard at the top will be an improvement. And using political rhetoric to predict the choices the next administration (if Democrat) will enact based on the choices the Bush adminstration made and how they enacted their policies (especially in light of the fact that most are agreeing they weren't better choices, nor was the management of, than the previous administration) is a spurious argument, at best. But with the jingoism I see involved in support of the current administration, it's to be expected.
Sorry, bro. I'm not convinced.
But that's ok, looks like things may come out in the wash in the end. Maybe in the nick of time. Time to go back to "America first." :)
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Originally posted by Eagler
well at least until the 1st Iranian mushroom cloud blossoms over NY or LA..
Republicans never tire of fear mongering.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Republicans never tire of fear mongering.
that's not a republican exclusive. getting hard to figure out who the players are anymore without a program.
then, there the little problem of the propensity for 'em to talk outta their asses.
the voice is muffled, but the stench is unmistakable.
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He is pushing his brother Jeb to run, if we end up with another Bush or Clinton i'm going to lose my mind
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I kept hoping Bush would rise to the occasiojn but he never has, it would be foolish to think he may still yet.
And I agree with whoever, no more Bush....no more Clinton for Gods sake either. McCain is worthless and so is Kerry. We need someone completely seperated from either party and we will never see that. We are screwed.
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For the first time in my life, I find myself speculating regarding the final demise of our once grand republic and it's a long time yet to the next presidential election... if we ever have one again.
Somebody once pointed out that 6 month prior to Klintons election he was a national unknown. Same for Carter. State govenors seem to be more electable than former senators or congressmen to the oval office.
but, seems a pretty reasonable assumption that if there is one.. it'll be state govenors on the ticket.
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the polls said dewey would beat truman by a LANDSLIDE.
you neo-libs need to relax, no matter how much you hate boosh you will still have to wait until 08 for hillery to save the world
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As long as the fanatical right stomps it's feet and decide's it's all their way or nothing and the fanatical left does the same ... then the nation suffers the effect of a stratified government that's more interested in it's respective agendas than the countries needs. No wonder the quality of elected chief execs is continually degrading. Good job guys. :aok
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Regarding the economy, with oil prices and interest rates rising, the sale of big ticket items is gonna drop. This may be the beginning of the Bush recession... you heard it here 1st.
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Originally posted by john9001
the polls said dewey would beat truman by a LANDSLIDE.
you neo-libs need to relax, no matter how much you hate boosh you will still have to wait until 08 for hillery to save the world
What the hell is a neo-lib?
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Someone who sits across the ailse from a neo-con. It's all about seating charts.
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Can it still be called a democracy when less than 50% of the citizens agree with their leader?
Or it's already called a dictatorship?:t
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Can it still be called a democracy when less than 50% of the citizens agree with their leader?
yes. GWB will exit the office of President no later than Jan 20th, 2009, 12:00 noon EST.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Regarding the economy, with oil prices and interest rates rising, the sale of big ticket items is gonna drop. This may be the beginning of the Bush recession... you heard it here 1st.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1066.cfm
Revenues have been pouring into the Treasury at record rates. In the last 12 months, tax receipts have skyrocketed 14.5 percent, more than four times faster than inflation. And in the previous 12 months, they jumped nearly nine percent, almost three times faster than inflation.
It is especially worth noting that the government is collecting more money from capital gains taxes and dividend taxes. As the Wall Street Journal noted, “…capital gains receipts from 2002-04 have climbed by 79% after the reduction in the tax rate from 20% to 15%. Dividend tax receipts are up 35% from 2002 to 2004, even though the taxable rate fell from 39.6% to 15%.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1066.cfm
Too bad we are spending it four times faster than we get it
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anyone who like a politician is young or stupid
gov BOHICA will get elected pres BOHICA
jay leno will make fun of him, 74% of the country wont like him & we'll all pay our taxes & go on with our lives, except Ripsnort who (this is the one big surprise) will be maimed in a cotton candy related brawl at a little league game
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
yes. GWB will exit the office of President no later than Jan 20th, 2009, 12:00 noon EST.
Really?
Are yah sure??
No possibility of any *cough* 'dire national security crisis' causing a lil hitch with the *ahem* 'election process'?
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Originally posted by john9001
the polls said dewey would beat truman by a LANDSLIDE.
And the Bush- Kerry race was closer than Truman- Dewey.
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If Bush will go hard line on the illegal immigration problem like most Americans want you'll see his ratings sky rocket. I think most are unhappy with him because of his weak stance on this.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
And the Bush- Kerry race was closer than Truman- Dewey.
And ... well ... the buck stopped with Truman. ;)
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Originally posted by Sixpence
Too bad we are spending it four times faster than we get it
"we" are not spending it, your govt is spending it, all that "govt funding" has to come from somewhere.
term limits.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Republicans never tire of fear mongering.
Exactamundo. That's all Karl Rove knows...well, he does know slandering, too.
So what are the big Republican issues on the pre-midterm elections agenda? What issues will they come up with to stir up the disillusioned far right enough to actually get out to the polls and vote Republican?
a)Homosexual adoption
b)Flag burning
c)English only national anthem
d)Immigration
Instead they should be tackling issues like:
a)Alternative energy sources
b)Retooling FEMA
c)Invasion of privacy by the NSA
You know, things that really matter.
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"Instead they should be tackling issues like:
a)Alternative energy sources
b)Retooling FEMA
c)Invasion of privacy by the NSA"
Hmm, actually, I'll give you point A. That is a legitimate concern that should be addressed immediately. B & C? Garbage Democrat talking points. Nothing more.
You don't feel illegal immigration is a legitimate concern?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Regarding the economy, with oil prices and interest rates rising, the sale of big ticket items is gonna drop. This may be the beginning of the Bush recession... you heard it here 1st.
I'm seeing it starting around October. Just a guess.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Ahh yes, it's the republicans that are in control so everything is their fault. Newsflash!!!!!! Even being the minority party the democrats have enough power to hold agenda items up in commitee for ever.
This has to be the greatest response from Bush fans. Really when they have the house, senate, white house and SC it's sad that things still get blamed on the democrates. When you have the majority in everything and you still can't find a way to compromise with just a couple democrates to get thier vote then maybe your not the leader you claim to be.
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Anybody know the reason why $ has been devaluatiang lately?
http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/graph120.html
(Not an anti-American remark, but an honest question)
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Originally posted by Yeager
I kept hoping Bush would rise to the occasiojn but he never has, it would be foolish to think he may still yet.
And I agree with whoever, no more Bush....no more Clinton for Gods sake either. McCain is worthless and so is Kerry. We need someone completely seperated from either party and we will never see that. We are screwed.
If I may correct you Yeager. We allow ourselves to be screwed.
And Hang, no one will vote for a politician unless they are a sell-out. We demand they lie to us, or we will not vote for them. No one wants to hear the truth. Well, the majority of people do not want to hear the truth. Of course, "the truth" is different to different people, depending on the news service they rely on. Sheesh. How can anyone make any decisions on who to vote for?
We have politicians who just flat-out lie to us. We have media services, so called "news agencies" who all have a political slant "If it ain't newsworthy, make it up!".
Could you imagine a law which holds politicians accountable for thier claims/promises when they run for office? Hehe. That would be a trip. :)
How about news agnecies who actually reported the news? Whoa. That would be different. Of course, they would fail miserably as poeple want fanfare, conflict, lies, and more lies!
We, the people, have created this mess. The politicians and news services are only giving us what we want, or what they believe we want. And we do not have the backbone to stand up and declare, "We are not going to take it any longer". We are simply a pathetic lot. And this microcosm proves it everyday.
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Originally posted by mora
Anybody know the reason why $ has been devaluatiang lately?
http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/graph120.html
(Not an anti-American remark, but an honest question)
And the Canadian $ in now 91c to the US dollar.
Saves me $4 a month for AH(compared to years ago..:D )
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Anthony Zinni would get my vote even though he's not LP. But of course he'll never run for a political office.
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Originally posted by mora
Anybody know the reason why $ has been devaluatiang lately?
the USA is trying to compeat with china on the world market.
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Originally posted by Sandman
The nation is polarized. You can expect that roughly 50% of the people will dislike the president, no matter who it is.
Great first its global warming, now its global freezing! :P
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Originally posted by Sandman
The democrats are clueless, but they're not the ones in control of Congress and the Presidency.
It doesnt matter who is in charge of what, they all suck... none of those losers have to eek out a living under the laws they pass.
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Originally posted by rpm
Exactamundo. That's all Karl Rove knows...well, he does know slandering, too.
So what are the big Republican issues on the pre-midterm elections agenda? What issues will they come up with to stir up the disillusioned far right enough to actually get out to the polls and vote Republican?
a)Homosexual adoption
b)Flag burning
c)English only national anthem
d)Immigration
Instead they should be tackling issues like:
a)Alternative energy sources
b)Retooling FEMA
c)Invasion of privacy by the NSA
You know, things that really matter.
Yes and the democrats don't use fear at all. We should not be afraid of global warming, or the NSA, or secret prisons in Europe, or prisoner's rights to our courts in CUBA. Nope no fear at all here.
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Originally posted by parker00
This has to be the greatest response from Bush fans. Really when they have the house, senate, white house and SC it's sad that things still get blamed on the democrates. When you have the majority in everything and you still can't find a way to compromise with just a couple democrates to get thier vote then maybe your not the leader you claim to be.
Me thinks you assume too much sir:
1. I'm no Bush fan, I just hate democrats
2. The SC doesn't write or create laws and it's only recent that two conservative judges were appointed (and by show of hands can anyone tell me if that was easy to get them appointed as well would they have ever BEEN appointed without the gang of 14 deal?)
3. Republicans have a narrow margin in house and even smaller majority in the senate.....that usually means the comittees are split as well
4. The same can work both ways, it only takes pair of republicans to cross the isle on a vote.
No. 2 alone proves my point. There are judges that are STILL waiting on approval from the judiciary committee. Having a majority doesn't mean much if your bills get bogged down in procedural matters.
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at least klinton knew how to play to the polls. Say anything... get those numbers up.
We have never been so prosperous in recent memory. I don't care what his numbers are... I like the guy and know he will not be swayed by who likes him this week.
lazs
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I think its spelled "Clinton"
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Nope. Klinton. And, it's Kalifornia. It's a quiet, subtle statement indicating disgust for socialist leaning views or practices by the person that types it that way.
A policy that I agree with whole heartedly.
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Originally posted by lazs2
at least klinton knew how to play to the polls. Say anything... get those numbers up.
We have never been so prosperous in recent memory. I don't care what his numbers are... I like the guy and know he will not be swayed by who likes him this week.
lazs
ding!! ding!! ding!!
as Skuzzy stated, the problem is the average joe can't handle the truth and wants it all sugar coated, wrapped in a 30 minute sitcom timetable - from the Iraq war to making a million dollars - a bunch of "Deal or No Deal" fools
take the Iraq war, take the insurgency out of the mix, leave in zero wmds found, say we were out a year and a-half ago with Iraq running its own show - Bush would be a worldwide hero. Our enemies know us better than we know ourselves..
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Nope. Klinton. And, it's Kalifornia. It's a quiet, subtle statement indicating disgust for socialist leaning views or practices by the person that types it that way.
A policy that I agree with whole heartedly.
;)
so everytime he spells my name wrong...
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Really?
Are yah sure??
No possibility of any *cough* 'dire national security crisis' causing a lil hitch with the *ahem* 'election process'?
I am confident that no "dire crisis" greater than the one that didn't stop the election of 1864 will rear it's head.
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nope nelson... when I spell your name wrong it simply means that.... I don't care.
unless of course I do it in a clever way that makes you look effeminate or stupid and then...... I care.
lazs
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^Blaz CLaaazz ,lass ,lassy ?
it just lean you don't respect the other, but I don't expect anything from else an open minded guy like you.
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I think you have a fan club lazs, maybe you oughta sell tshirts. ;)
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Originally posted by lazs2
nope nelson... when I spell your name wrong it simply means that.... I don't care.
unless of course I do it in a clever way that makes you look effeminate or stupid and then...... I care.
lazs
:D
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I don't claim to know enough about whether the Bush legacy will be positive or negative. I wish I had the same confidence that some of you do, but I am encumbered by needing facts instead of just parroting what friendly politicians say.
For example, take the Nixon administration. Very high approval ratings, he made tremendous strides in foreign relations, and in general was on his way to being one of the best respected presidents of the 20th century. One scandal, however, was the difference between a generation of kids with Nixon as their middle name and shame.
It works both ways. As low as the president's approval ratings might be now, there's no way to know how history will remember him until 10-20 years from now. While I personally disagree with a lot (A LOT) of his domestic policy changes (read: The erosion of the constitution, etc), I think it's equally possible that history will remember him as being "the guy who stuck it out and made the tough decisions" regarding extra-national threats. It's fashionable to focus on the WMD story, but that doesn't change the fact that a 100% KNOWN hostile world leader (who used outlawed chemical weapons on his own people, invaded and attacked other countries, and more) is out of power.
I know a bunch of you think that I'm some sort of weeny "liberal commie scum" for some reason, but disrespecting the office of the president and judging before the facts are in are both no-no's in my book. I disagree with a lot of things he's done, but I will stand when he enters the room, I will be polite, and I won't post any asinine elementary school insults that extremists on both sides lob back and forth. "Bushie"? You're absolutely entitled to your disagreement, it's protected by the constitution, but you look silly when you take someone's name and modify it to be perjorative. C'mon.
Very well put.
Trueman also managed very low approval ratings yet now is commonly viewed as a pretty good president.
Actually even with Watergate Nixon is now being viewed in a more positive light
There are alot of parallels that can be made With Andrew Jackson,
Encarta- Andrew Jackson (http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761569591/Jackson_Andrew.html)
Now how Bush, or Clinton is viewed 50 or 100 years from now is anybodies guess
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but you look silly when you take someone's name and modify it to be perjorative. C'mon.
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Ok, ok.....
whats a "perjorative" :rolleyes:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pejorative
Most folks would be able to decipher this tricky "slight misspelling" code I used, but I understand that you must be too busy, Yeager.
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lol, I didn't even know it was misspelled. I forgot what a pejorative was.
anyway, thanks ;)
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Originally posted by SOB
Don't be silly, Sandman. Regardless of whether they're in control of congress or the white house, or whether they are even in the general vicinity when something bad happens, it's always the Democrats' fault. They hate America, kick puppy dogs, and eat babies.
Close they Hate America, kick pit bull pups and they Kill babies.
BTW it's not always the Democrats fault. Just 90% of the time. The other 10% they helped.