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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on May 14, 2006, 01:36:35 AM
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Musician/writer KINKY FRIEDMAN has collected 169,574 voter signatures in a bid to be accepted as an independent candidate for US state Texas at November's (06) mid-term elections.
The MARILYN AND JOE hitmaker delivered 11 boxes containing more than 3 times the number of signatures required to the secretary of state's office in Austin and urged officials to quickly validate his candidacy to stand as a potential Texas governor.
Friedman says, "The people of Texas are sending a message to the politicians who have run our beloved state into the ground. The people have spoken loud and clear. It's time to take our state back from the Republicans and Democrats who've caused this train wreck. We're going to make Texas great again. We cannot be stopped." Addressing the burgeoning crowd Friedman yelled, "I'm humbled by your support, and I won't let you down. Let the revolution begin!"
I'm proud to say I helped get those signatures. Things are going to change around here.:aok
(http://www.austinchronicle.com/binary/rae_freidman_bb.jpg)
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It's good to see a guy that sees a way forward which isn't dependent on a political party. I'm glad he's making progress, I wish him luck, and I hope his example inspires some real change everywhere.
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I wish i could help,...... but we need some 3 di + mutli sided die aswell....
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I look at that pic and I hear the dramatic silent film piano music, the girl tied to the tracks, the train coming, and him with an evil laugh as he spins the cigar between his lips.
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Your efforts paid off, rpm - congrats!!
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One has to wonder if someone as politically incorrect as Kinky could accomplish this anywhere else but Texas. For example, how well would Kinky's agenda play in California?
Nonetheless, I like Kinky and hope he wins it all.
Congrats for being a part of it RPM.
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Have you guys really looked at his platform?
He would play well in kalifornia... he is a liberal socialist at the core... take away the cigar and bad language and he is diane finestein.
he wants to spend more on teachers and public schools but is against vouchers... he doesn't want to test kids or teachers for ability.
He wants to increase massively social welfare on health care and wants to "push renewable resources" (read punish anyone who wants to drive conventional cars and trucks)
He is a pawn of the teachers union and socialized medicine and the junk science of the EPA. He is al gore. and hillary.. but so hip that the young commies and old hippie socialists can feel good about him.
Why the hell do you guys think rpm likes him?
lazs
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His top three issues, according to his website, are Education, Health Insurance and Renewable Energy.
Seems pretty clear the Texas Reps and Dems haven't done anything positive in those areas. How much worse will Kinky be as an Independent Governor with a Rep/Dem combo legislature?
I think he's worth supporting on the "mad as hell and not going to take it anymore" principle alone. Both the Dems and Reps nationwide need to be slapped in the face with the fact that the people can and will find other leadership if they have to do so.
Right now, the Dems and Reps figure the whole cake belongs to themselves. I think if an Independent took the governorship of Texas it might wake them up a bit.
You saw where Kinky suggests giving an extra $4.3 billion "found" in the state's coffers back to the people as a 15% property tax rebate?
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toad... what democrat in the world has not been in the pocket of the teachers union or wanted more socialized medicine or wanted to get people out of their cars?
He is a democrat of the worst kind... he embodies the principles of the party..
now... If your complaints about democrats are that they don't fight hard enough for socialism and big government then....
Kinky is your man...
plus... it sounds so cool to say you like em eh?
Nope... if you vote for kinky then you are pretty much saying that the democrats aren't rushing to socialism fast enough for you.
That is definitely NOT the message I would want to send to future politicians.
Also... if public schools and teachers are supported by property tax.... how is he gonna lower property tax and at the same time waste even more money on public schools and the teachers union?
lazs
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Wears a cowboy hat and hides his real name with a stupid sounding alias; is he seeking a job in a political office or a used car dearlership?
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Laz, not everything about Kinky appeals.
OTOH, we desperately need change and if he has a chance to shake up the Dem/Rep good ole boys club, I'm for him. I believe the D/R club feels they have exclusive rights to the job and as professional courtesy they swap the King title now and again.
Kinky will have a damn hard time trying to do anything he intends to do with a D/R Legislature opposing the new Independent.
He has painted himself into a corner or two, as you note with the teacher salary/property tax issue.
How much worse can he be? I want the National parties to get a huge kick in the rear when they lose the statehouse in one of the big electoral vote states.
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You mean, like when Jesse Ventura was elected?
/me looks around.
Nope, still looks pretty much the same as it ever was.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Also... if public schools and teachers are supported by property tax.... how is he gonna lower property tax and at the same time waste even more money on public schools and the teachers union?
lazs
Last I read is that he is looking to support education with casinos.
I've had pretty much the same opinion as you on Kinky lazs. Too early yet though to decide on who to vote for. I know he espouses immigration reform but I don't know what he really means by that or plans to do yet.
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Originally posted by Suave
Wears a cowboy hat and hides his real name with a stupid sounding alias; is he seeking a job in a political office or a used car dearlership?
Dunno, why don't you ask "Ma" Ferguson or "Pappy" Lee O'Daniel?
Let's get some real answers to the real problems facing Texas:
Alternative Energy: Biodiesel. Simple, economical, environmentally friendly.
Education: Texas has the 8th largest economy in the world, but we're 1st in drop-out rates and 49th in education spending in the country. We need reform.
Healthcare: Texas ranks rock-bottom in providing for the basic needs of its youngest and poorest residents. More than one fifth of Texas children have no health insurance at all.
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Originally posted by rpm
Dunno, why don't you ask "Ma" Ferguson or "Pappy" Lee O'Daniel?
Let's get some real answers to the real problems facing Texas:
Alternative Energy: Biodiesel. Simple, economical, environmentally friendly.
Education: Texas has the 8th largest economy in the world, but we're 1st in drop-out rates and 49th in education spending in the country. We need reform.
Healthcare: Texas ranks rock-bottom in providing for the basic needs of its youngest and poorest residents. More than one fifth of Texas children have no health insurance at all.
You do realize why we have some many dropouts and inadequte insurance right? How many of those 500,000 that recently marched on Dallas do you suppose are here legally?
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I predict that Kinky will crash and burn. Any time an outsider tries to challenge a massive and powerul corrupt system, the system kills them.
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I haven't even read Kinky's platform and to be honest, thought he looked like some kind of John Wayne type dude. That wasn't what mattered.
What's cool here, or at least cool to me, was that rpm decided to get involved. And his involvement no doubt had a tangible effect on Kinky's success. It's a money-where-your-mouth-is kind of thing... and kudos to rpm for that. Why? Because of sentiments like this:
"Any time an outsider tries to challenge a massive and powerul corrupt system, the system kills them." - Yeager
That's pretty fatalistic. Yet at the same time, realistic. Because of the fatalism.
The only way to turn that around is through efforts not unlike the one displayed here by one grocery clerk, in one county, in one state.
Bravo, dude.
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term limits
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I never woulda thunk that Kinky could threaten so many outa staters. ;)
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Originally posted by rpm
I'm proud to say I helped get those signatures.
So did I.
Originally posted by rpm
Things are going to change around here.:aok
I only wish I beleived you.
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Why the hell not? :)
culero
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Originally posted by Arlo
I never woulda thunk that Kinky could threaten so many outa staters. ;)
Heh...I'm surprised none of 'em have started trotting out some of his non-PC music history yet ;)
culero
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It will be interesting to see what he does if he wins
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Originally posted by Meatwad
It will be interesting to see what he does if he wins
Not likely though. He's pretty liberal in a largely conservative state. His numbers are quite low right now and I haven't heard him say much that is likely to change that. Never know what can happen though.
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i hear they have secret photos insinuating his daughter is a lesbian:noid :noid :noid :t :furious
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I have to ask......
What impartance IF any would an indie gov do?
I ask this based on the fact that the Grand Ole Party and the democrats still control the state senate.....
He can introduce laws all he wants but they don't have to vote on them...
He can submit all the budget plans he wants but they don't have to approve them....
He can veto all he wants to but that's not going to get anything done either right?????
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Maybeperhaps he'll get the red and blue girls into bed with each other to protect themselves from the evil indie governor. Extreme reactions prolly require extreme actions. ;)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
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He can veto all he wants to but that's not going to get anything done either right?????
Not necessarily, Gunslinger.
For instance, George Bush got to be governor of Texas running against a popular Democrat incumbent, and had to work with a Democrat-controlled legislature. Yet, he accomplished things from his platform like concealed weapons carry permits (it was illegal to carry pistols in Texas before his administration) and reforms in the penal system (after which we've had lower crime rates BTW) that the Democrats were on record as being against.
My point isn't whether or not what he did as governor here was good or not (I liked it, YMMV), but that the governor has a bully pulpit by virtue of his election. Used effectively, it can be productive of results he seeks.
culero
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Originally posted by culero
Heh...I'm surprised none of 'em have started trotting out some of his non-PC music history yet ;)
culero
"In the past, when I was a musician, I suppose I've been stoned a number of times. I've been involved with a whole lot of beautiful women, you know, and I had a great time, and I don't regret any of it. And you know, I've never killed anybody. I mean, hell, even Ted Kennedy can't say that. So, I've got nothing to hide really and I'm looking forward to this race very, very much."- Kinky Friedman
That's what scares the Republicans. There's nothing they could dig up that he won't whole heartedly admit to. Yet another reason I like Kinky.
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He looks like Hec Ramsey
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Originally posted by rpm
That's what scares the Republicans. There's nothing they could dig up that he won't whole heartedly admit to. Yet another reason I like Kinky.
It'll be interesting to see how the female demographic in Texas reacts to "Get Your Biscuits In The Oven And Your Buns In The Bed" :)
Funny thing is, that reaction might surprise some folks elsewhere....and give 'em yet another reason to envy Texans :lol
culero (can you imagine what they'd say in Noo Yoark?)
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Ok... so you want change for change's sake? It will "shake up the parties" to get a candidate in who wants to lock in the teachers unions stranglehold on education (and doom vouchers and choice) and.... join hillaries "it takes a village" crowd with lot's and lot's more socialized medicine?
you guys looked at the lottery and schools in other states? We have it in kalifornia... the lottery gives 3% of the earnings to schools.... the state then cuts the money they give schools by that amount. guess we shoulda expected a shell game from gambling syncicates huh?
kinky is not the message I want to send. The message kinky sends is.... you guys aren't rushing toward big government socialism fast enough...
Why would I want to send that message (which they would love to hear by the way).
so what does that leave? you like his music? so what? You like that he talks dirty? can't help you there.... I liked ventura and arnies message a lot better... they were real alternatives to politicians that were much worse on the ballot but kinky?
may as well dress diane finestien in cowboy garb.
lazs
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kinky is not the message I want to send. The message kinky sends is.... you guys aren't rushing toward big government socialism fast enough...
Exactly.
I could careless who the Governor Texas is. However, to vote for a leftist 'song and dance man' just because is as silly as 'voting for the lesser of two evils just to say you voted.
If you want change make the politicals know they can't take your vote for granted. If they don't earn your vote, write some one in who has or don't vote at all. At the same time make yourself heard until some one realizes there's a real place for 'alternatives' to step up and run. Voting just to vote and voting change for change's sake is silly and will just ensure things stay as they are.
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hey... rpm likes him...
I rest my case.
lazs
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Lazs, you know where I come from politically, I have been a registered Libertarian for about 20 years.
I understand those of you who say that Kinky is less than ideal, and frankly I'd be a little worried if he had a 0.001% chance of actually winning. That being said I signed his petition and intend to cast my ballot for him. What we have here in Texas is a strange mix of the traditional right/left debate. Texas' Washington delegation is solidly Republican, almost 90% so if you take out those districts which are >50% Mexican. The same is generally true for the State level. But what most voters in texas do not seem to understand is that nearly all State level offices held by Republicans are held by FORMER Democrats.
See, in Texas, like much of the south, it was pretty much impossible to win an election as a Republican since the Republicans were the party of Lincoln. You may laugh but it is true. For about 100 years after the raping and pillaging by northern troops any association with the north was political suicide, and that included the "R". Reagan did a lot to end that, and for the last ~25 years or so the state has been allied pretty much with the conservative movement. The conservative leanings are not new, even when our Washington delegation was all Democrat it was still made up of "conservative Democrats". if you ask me we still are. Our Governor, Lt. Governor, Comptroller, and most senoir officials are all former Democrats, they have not changed their tax-and-spend mentality they have only changed their party affiliation.
I just got my property tax assesment. I am goint to owe almost $7K this year. That does not include the 8.25% sales tax or the estimated $1,000 I'll have to pay to drive to work each day on the "new" toll roads that our "conservative" governor has championed.
I have given up on the Republicans at the state/federal/local levels. they talk a lot about fiscal responsibility but they are as quick to give my money away to foreign interests and those who refuse to work, and to sell my children's heritage to the highest bidder as Billary/Teddy/DiFi/Vincente would even dream of.
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Originally posted by culero
(can you imagine what they'd say in Noo Yoark?)
Yup.
"you ain't no boss of me, cuddlinghunk. you want biscuits and buns, you gotsta pay for 'em. there's a diner across the street. knock yer self out."
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Originally posted by Edbert1
I have given up on the Republicans at the state/federal/local levels. they talk a lot about fiscal responsibility but they are as quick to give my money away to foreign interests and those who refuse to work, and to sell my children's heritage to the highest bidder as Billary/Teddy/DiFi/Vincente would even dream of.
Well said Edbert. i would also add the Perry and Company has had almost 6 years to fix property tax issues and school financing and have done next to nothing except spend money on special sessions that solved nothing. Why would I want to keep a governer like that?
And Carol Keaton "whats my last name this year" Strayhorn is as much of the problem as Perry
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I applaud anyone who gets politically active. I don't like kinkys platform, but then again I don't like the democrats platform. I vote Anti-abortion followed by the right to keep & bear arms. But then again, I voted for Ross Perot so what do I know about winners?
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Originally posted by rpm
Dunno, why don't you ask "Ma" Ferguson or "Pappy" Lee O'Daniel?
Let's get some real answers to the real problems facing Texas:
Alternative Energy: Biodiesel. Simple, economical, environmentally friendly.
Oh so spare me. Do a little real research. None of these technologies can produce energy at a cost that makes them at all economically viable. There is enough oil in the world to last us a very long time. The problem is that the left is dead set against the US getting it out of the ground. Not for Enviro reasons but purely for political ones. Environmentalism has very little to do with the environment and everything to do with international leftist/socialism.
Education: Texas has the 8th largest economy in the world, but we're 1st in drop-out rates and 49th in education spending in the country. We need reform.
You want to fix public education? The best thing you can do is to throw out the teachers union. Look it up. The best schools in the nation with the highest paid teachers are NON UNION SCHOOLS. They have the highest test scores and the lowest drop out rates. The union doesn't care a wit about your child's education.
Healthcare: Texas ranks rock-bottom in providing for the basic needs of its youngest and poorest residents. More than one fifth of Texas children have no health insurance at all.
Again, this issue has very little to do with health care and everything to do with attacking market capitalism. We should follow Romney's example in MA. Buy health INSURANCE for the poor and elderly. Allow small business to buy into the plan for a larger premium. His plan may actually work. You know what though, before he got it approved the leftists wanted to amend it with thier own little ideas. Know what they were? Penalties for small businesses. Now why do you think they wanted to do this? So that the plan would not work. The last thing they want is for the issue to go away before they can transfer more wealth away from the private sector, where it actually does some good for people, into the public sector where it keeps people poor and dependant on leftists.
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Originally posted by Edbert1
I have given up on the Republicans at the state/federal/local levels. they talk a lot about fiscal responsibility but they are as quick to give my money away to foreign interests and those who refuse to work, and to sell my children's heritage to the highest bidder as Billary/Teddy/DiFi/Vincente would even dream of.
I can undestand your frustration Edbert. Most of the national Reps have abandoned Reaganist Conservatism. GW's dad was the first and his son is no better. The neo-cons are no better than the neo-coms(commmunists) if you ask me.
But, There are places where it works. Come to N.E. Florida. This is a pretty much wholy Republican run community here and we are doing great. Economy is rocking and unemployment is nearly non-existant. Hell, AOL just laid off 400 people and we should have no problem absorbing these folks into the work place. I just hired a guy away from them not 1 month before the lay off. If there is one thing we need here its Technology people.
I tell folks from all over if you have marketable skills there's a job for you here.
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It is tempting, I have a number of friends in Florida, and 15+ years in IT. But my family immigrated to central Texas back when it was a Republic (before the Civil War for you victims of Government schrewels). I cannot bear the thought of being away from the land my great great grandfather ran cattle on, and the hunting in Florida leaves a little to be desired if you don't like the flavor of gator. If only we could get rid of these yanks, wets, and Kalifornians it'd be a far sight better place again.
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edbert... I really have no problem understanding Texas problem with republicans after Lincoln...
I also have no problem understanding why they left the democrat party... I believe the democrats left Texas not the other way around.
Kinky is simply more of what is bad about government..
clifa makes excellent points... Get rid of the teachers union.... allow parents to have school vouchers... forget biodiesel except as a sideshow and forget socialized medicine except for pilot programs of buying insurace for the destitute and more inclusive group plans.
If you think things are bad now.... imagine how it will be under kinky.
Think kalifornia where our sewer rates will be from 50-150 bucks a month and...
today I seen the collection system regs put out by the EPA... I am looking at a mandated document that will cost everyone in kalifornia an additional 6-40 bucks a month for the sanitary sewer collection system monitoring program put in by democrats and..... it is useless repetition of programs that were basicaly free before.
lazs
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Kinky's not more of what's bad in guvmint. Kinky's not even a known quantity there yet. But from the sound of him, he's certainly not representative of what's wrong with guvmint right now. ;)
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Oh so spare me. Do a little real research. None of these technologies can produce energy at a cost that makes them at all economically viable. There is enough oil in the world to last us a very long time. The problem is that the left is dead set against the US getting it out of the ground. Not for Enviro reasons but purely for political ones. Environmentalism has very little to do with the environment and everything to do with international leftist/socialism.
Biodiesel costs around 60 cents a gallon to produce from old cooking oil. I'd call that economically viable.
You want to fix public education? The best thing you can do is to throw out the teachers union. Look it up. The best schools in the nation with the highest paid teachers are NON UNION SCHOOLS. They have the highest test scores and the lowest drop out rates. The union doesn't care a wit about your child's education.
Texas schools have slid to the bottom of the barrel since Bush was in office. We're barely above Mississippi in the rankings. Something has to be done, but vouchers are the most idiotic plan I've ever heard of. What good will that do in my county where there are no private schools to ship little johnny off to? Keeping our teachers at the bottom of the national payscale can't help, either.
Again, this issue has very little to do with health care and everything to do with attacking market capitalism. We should follow Romney's example in MA. Buy health INSURANCE for the poor and elderly. Allow small business to buy into the plan for a larger premium. His plan may actually work. You know what though, before he got it approved the leftists wanted to amend it with thier own little ideas. Know what they were? Penalties for small businesses. Now why do you think they wanted to do this? So that the plan would not work. The last thing they want is for the issue to go away before they can transfer more wealth away from the private sector, where it actually does some good for people, into the public sector where it keeps people poor and dependant on leftists.
I haven't seen Romney's plan. Sounds like it may have possibilities. When I was a child growing up in Texas we were allowed to buy health insurance thru the school at a reduced cost. Today that is no longer offered to students. Something needs to be done besides screaming tort reform and allowing insurance rates to skyrocket while the insurance companies build the strongest lobby in Austin.
And Laz, if you have the answers, PLEASE move to Texas and run for office. It might be interesting to hear you debate the issues with the real players in the game.
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Originally posted by rpm
Biodiesel costs around 60 cents a gallon to produce from old cooking oil. I'd call that economically viable.
Gotta chime in here... is that figure sustainable? There's a limited amount of used cooking oil to pull from, and a very small pool of biodiesel users. Americans consume something like 350 million gallons of gas each day. How many gallons of cooking oil are used each day? I read that about 5 gallons of cooking oil are used per american each year, which, multiplied by 300 million (roughly the population of the US) is 1.5 billion.
That's 4.3 days of driving on 100% discarded cooking oil, adjust upwards slightly when you mix it with petroleum.
Biodiesel is very cool, and I'm thinking of maybe getting a diesel as my next car so I can run it on things other than gas, but a long term biodiesel strategy for the nation (instead of just a few hobbyists) is going to need more than used cooking oil, and that will change the economics drastically.
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i don't see what the problem with "biodiesel"is, back in 1962 when i was in the marines we had "multi-fuel" trucks, they would run on anything that would burn, corn oil, banana oil, peanut oil, etc.
the trucks had a specific gravity sensor in the fuel system that would adjust the mixture for what even was in the fuel line, you could mix any fuels in the tank and the truck would sort it out, you could even burn gasoline in it but you had to add motor oil with the gas to lube the pumps.
i think people that say biodiesel won't work don't want it to work.
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You silly fuel...Think one step of the war machine & invest
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John, nobody is saying biodiesel doesn't work technologically. That'd be stupid, I've seen plenty of cars running on salvaged cooking oil.
The problem is creating enough of it on a national scale.
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Ahh, but we could. Take all those agriculture subsidies that we are shelling out for farmers not to grow and make them grow corn, soy, peanuts or sugar beets. It's a win - win situation.
I agree that there's not enough used oil to go around, but if they start mass producing fuel grade oil there will be.
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IIRC, though, right now it takes more energy to grow/process those crops than they produce in ethanol or other forms of energy.
It's a net negative use.
If they get the enzyme process down to where you can use the ag waste for ethanol it'd be a net positive in a big way. We're not there yet though.
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80% of the cars in Brazil run on ethanol, that did not happen overnight. It took years of work, not years of saying "we need a energy policy"
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These are the things that give me hope that things will change:
Iogen Corporation announced today that Goldman Sachs & Co. of New York has invested $30 Million (CDN) in its renewable cellulose ethanol technology.
"Goldman is the first major Wall Street firm to make a commitment to cellulose ethanol," says Iogen CEO Brian Foody. "Renewable fuels like cellulose ethanol are one of the main options President Bush recently highlighted to reduce America's dependence on foreign oil.
Goldman's investment gives it a minority stake in Iogen, the only company to be operating a demonstration facility that converts agriculture materials like straw, corn stalks, and switchgrass to ethanol. Goldman joins the Royal Dutch/Shell Group as a major investor. The funds will be used to accelerate Iogen's commercialization program.
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The Shell Group of Companies has formed a joint venture with Iogen of Canada to produce ethanol from waste materials like rice straw, a company official said yesterday.
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Just remember, ethanol and biodiesel are 2 different fuels. While corn makes great biodiesel, it makes a so-so ethanol. I'm not sure about cellulose's properties, but sugar beet ethanol is 5 times more efficient than corn.
Basicly, any vegetable oil will make suitable biodiesel. You just have to remove the glycerin.
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Thread resurrection! I just read something in Wired that's relevant to this discussion:
Fuel by the numbers
Gallons of biodiesel that can be made from one acre of soybeans: 50
Arable acres in the US: 427 million
Gallons of gasoline used by the average American driver in a year: 464
Drivers in the US: 198 million
Arable acres needed to make enough biodiesel for all of them: 1.8 billion
This suggests that it isn't currently feasible to produce enough biodiesel domestically to fully supplant petroleum consumption. We either need a better crop to produce it from (I don't know where soybeans fall on the scale) or to plan for acquiring it from elsewhere.
Food for thought....
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That sounds like an awfully low number of acreage. That's probably the number of acres in soybean production as of now. There are plenty of suitable desolate areas that could be put into production with proper irrigation.
Soybeans are not the only source of suitable oil, either. There are numerous crops that produce usable amounts of oils that aren't being used today. Remember this technology is still in it's infantcy. While I doubt that we could ever get to 100%, I believe we could feasably get to over 75% with the right leadership. This is what the Secretaries of Energy, Agriculture and Transportation should get together on.
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i read that sugar beet & sugar cane are teh best (evar) for making fuel out of
:noid :noid :noid :furious :rolleyes:
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kinky is a flaming liberal who loves nothing better than telling people what to do and growing government..... no wonder you like him rpm.
He does talk dirty tho so that makes him really cool. Who cares how much socialism he adds to your life so long as you can talk dirty right?
I would never be able to run for office. I would be glad to debate the likes of kinky tho. friggin liberal.
lazs
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I say we Merkins run up to CanDUH and vote...vote for the most extreme thing you can possibly think of...like CanaDuhs common language should relly be French, Oui, err Eh? Lets vote on leagelizing Herion in major CaNucks Cities... All Lesbian Hockey Players wives can Marry each other... and Nash can find that LumberJack he once had...
Mac
Nash, What's happening in Canuckland?
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Originally posted by lazs2
kinky is a flaming liberal who loves nothing better than telling people what to do and growing government..... no wonder you like him rpm.
He does talk dirty tho so that makes him really cool. Who cares how much socialism he adds to your life so long as you can talk dirty right?
I would never be able to run for office. I would be glad to debate the likes of kinky tho. friggin liberal.
lazs
So what your saying is Kinky has the cajones to stand up and run and you have the cajones to sit at a keyboard and whine on a BBS.
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As a Texan living in the Dallas / Fort Worth area for 37 years, I can tell you that all the political parties are a bunch of pansies. They are all self centered and don’t really give a crap about the state or the country. There attitude is “what can I gain from this and not how can I help”. We have one of the worst education systems due to the moronic idea that we should not teach the subjects but teach on how to pass the state test so we can get more federal money that the schools and teachers will never be able to take advantage of because the funds are put into the general fund so the politicians can blow it on self motivated crap legislation. The children are not learning the subjects; they are learning how to get by. This is unsatisfactory. Dallas ISD requires that all school principles have to be fluent in Spanish!! Don’t we speak English in this country? We spend more time and money trying to appease the illegal aliens than we do taking care of the citizens. The attitude of most not all Hispanics in this state is ridicules. Most refuse to speak English yet they are happy to cash that government check. No I am not a racist, I know a lot people of all ethnic back grounds that are great U. S. patriots but unfortunately the bad out weighs the good in this state.
Prime examples of their attitude are the quotes from Hispanic leaders:
Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas: "We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population. I love it. They are ****ting in their pants with fear. I love it."
Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets; “Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. Through love of having children, we are going to take over.
Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council. "They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over. We are here to stay."
Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico, "The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot."
Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party, “Remember 187--proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens--was the last gasp of white America in California."
Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor, “We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country. I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, "I'm going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back."
Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton, "California is going to be a Hispanic state. Anyone who doesn't like it should leave."
Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, "We are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California."
Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University: "We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos . . .”
More examples: On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum. The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived in this country. They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held upside down. As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon. Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the match.
Did you know that Mexico regularly intercedes on the side of the defense in criminal cases involving Mexican nationals? Did you know that Mexico has NEVER extradited a Mexican national accused of murder in the U.S. in spite of agreements to do so? According to the L.A. Times, Orange County, California is home to 275 gangs with 17,000 members, 98% of which are Mexican and Asian.
I remember hearing about the immigrants that came through Ellis Island. They wanted to learn English. They wanted to breath free. They wanted to become Americans. Now too many immigrants come here with demands. They demand to be taught in their own language. They demand special privileges--affirmative action. They demand ethnic studies that glorify their culture.
The U.S. congress and the people of this country have let this attitude go unchecked because we are a lazy country and believe that it will not affect me and if we ignore the problem it will go away. It hasn’t!
I am a U.S. Marine. I served from 1987 to 1992. I am a Dessert Storm Veteran. I pay my taxes. I obey the law. I have not only the God given right but I have earned the right by serving my country to speak my mind. I have earned the right to have what most illegal immigrants demand and get, but I do not.
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Whoa now, before you get that race-riot going good and strong, take a few minutes to read http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/hispanic.asp to learn more about those quotes.
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Hmm, I read the site and some are just as bad if not worse.
Ok, from http://www.snopes.com:
The is an excerpt from a statement by Augustin Cebada of the Brown Berets de Aztlán, a paramilitary offshoot of the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (MEChA), delivered during a Fourth of July rally held outside the Federal Building in Westwood, California, in 1996:
We're here today to show L.A., show the minority people here, the Anglo-Saxons, that we are here, the majority, we're here to stay. We do the work in this city, we take care of the spoiled brat children, we clean their offices, we pick the food, we do the manufacturing in the factories of L.A., we are the majority here, and we are not going to be pushed around.
We're here in Westwood, this is the fourth time we've been here in the last two months, to show white Anglo-Saxon Protestant L.A., the few of you who remain, that we are the majority, and we claim this land as ours, it's always been ours, and we're still here, and uh, none of this talk about deporting. If anybody's going to be deported it's going to be you.
[SHOUTING] Go back to Simi Valley, you skunks! Go back to Woodland Hills! Go back to Boston! Go back to the Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You're old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you; leave like beaten rats.
You old white people, it is your duty to die. Even their own ethicists say that they should die; that they have a duty to die. They're taking up too much space, too much air.
We are the majority in L.A. There's over seven million Mexicans in L.A. County alone. We are the majority. And you're going to see every day more and more of it, as we ... we manifest as our young people grow up, graduate from high school, go on to college and start taking over this society. Our people ... are ... the vast majority of our people are under the age of 15 years old. Right now we're already controlling those elections, whether it's through violence or nonviolence. Through love of having children we are gonna take over.
This is an excerpt from a statement by José Angel Gutiérrez, then an Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of Texas at Arlington (and a former leader of the La Raza Unida political party) at a Latino conference held at the University of California, Riverside on 14 January 1995, regarding the effects of California's recently-passed Proposition 187 ballot measure (which sought to bar illegal immigrants from public education and other social services provided by the state):
The border remains a military zone. We remain a hunted people. Now you think you have a destiny to fulfill in this land that historically has been ours for forty thousand years, and we're a new Mestizo nation. And they want us to discuss civil rights. Civil rights! What law made by white men to oppress all of us of color, female and male! This is our homeland. We cannot, we will not, and we must not be made illegal in our own homeland. We are not im-mi-grants that came from another country to another country; we are migrants, free to travel the length and breadth of the Americas because we belong here. We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. [laughter] The explosion is in our population.
This is a sentence taken from a statement given by Art Torres, a fomer California State Assembly member and State Senator, at the UC Riverside conference referenced above:
It is an honor to be with the new leadership of the Americas, here meeting at UC Riverside. So with 187 on the ballot, what is it going to take for our people to vote, to see us walking into the gas ovens? It is electoral power that is going to make the determination of where we go as a community. And power is not given to you; you have to take it. Remember: 187 is the last gasp of white America in California. Understand that. And people say to me on the Senate floor when I was in the Senate, 'Why do you fight so hard for affirmative action programs?' And I tell my white colleagues, 'because you're going to need them' [laughter].
Mario Obledo was a co-founder of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) and the La Raza Lawyers of California bar association, and he formerly served as California's Secretary of Health and Welfare. We don't know exactly when and where he first made his controversial statement about California's becoming a "Hispanic state," but he has confirmed he said it at least twice: during an appearance on Ray Briem's talk radio show in May or June of 1998, and again on Tom Leykis' talk radio show:
Obledo: "We're going to take over all the political institutions of California. In five years the Hispanics are going to be the majority population of this state."
Caller: "You also made the statement that California is going to become a Hispanic state, and if anyone doesn't like it, they should leave. Did you say that?"
Obledo: "I did. They ought to go back to Europe."
On 15 February 1998, Mexico's national soccer team scored a 1-0 victory over the United States team in the CONCACAF Gold Cup championship game before a crowd of 91,255 at the Los Angeles Coliseum. News accounts of the match noted that some of the large number of fans who turned out to root for the Mexican team whistled during the playing of the U.S. national anthem, booed the U.S. team, and threw debris at U.S. players:
The pro-Mexican throng that filled the entire Coliseum — including areas without seats because of construction — booed the Americans and showered them with debris on several occasions.
"It seemed like we were playing in Mexico City," said U.S. forward Preki, a native of Yugoslavia who gained his U.S. citizenship Oct. 25, 1996. "When we played down there in Mexico City, the crowd wasn't as bad as it was here. I think that was a shame.
"When they were playing the United States (national) anthem, all these people were whistling (the international version of booing). I assume all these people are living in the states. I think they should respect the national anthem. "
I am not interested in or trying to causing race-riots. I believe that there is good and bed people in all ethnic groups. I am interested in protecting U.S. citizens no mater what their ethic back ground may be. The problem is the attitude of the legal and illegal immigrants coming in to our great Nation.
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Originally posted by Schism
...a statement by Augustin Cebada of the Brown Berets de Aztlán, a paramilitary offshoot of the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (MEChA), delivered during a Fourth of July rally held outside the Federal Building in Westwood, California, in 1996:
...an excerpt from a statement by José Angel Gutiérrez, then an Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of Texas at Arlington (and a former leader of the La Raza Unida political party) at a Latino conference held at the University of California, Riverside on 14 January 1995, regarding the effects of California's recently-passed Proposition 187 ballot measure (which sought to bar illegal immigrants from public education and other social services provided by the state)
Mario Obledo was a co-founder of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) and the La Raza Lawyers of California bar association, and he formerly served as California's Secretary of Health and Welfare. We don't know exactly when and where he first made his controversial statement about California's becoming a "Hispanic state," but he has confirmed he said it at least twice: during an appearance on Ray Briem's talk radio show in May or June of 1998, and again on Tom Leykis' talk radio show:
Obledo: "We're going to take over all the political institutions of California. In five years the Hispanics are going to be the majority population of this state."
Wow, 1995, 1996...1998 that's some current stuff right there. As I recall 187 didn't fly and it's been 5 years since May or June 1998 and Hispanics are not the majority population of California.
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rpm... I can't run for office in Texas. I do not think that running for office in kalifornia with no money would be a good use of time.
If I can point out to someone that you may have fooled that kinky is a flaming socialist liberal and save him from voting kinky... Then, my time here is not wasted.
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