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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SkyRock on May 15, 2006, 08:13:47 AM
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caught a pony cherry picking so I nose down to get lil more speed to merge withhim and came up bout 800 off his 6. I followed this pony for a sector as he slowly out climbed and ran. as he was 3.5 out I turned and broke off as we were well past his back base. I started engaging some cons killed a yak and then as I looped back towards their base I noticed pony coming in with lots o smash. I saw him coming in on me 12 but I was at to[p and had no E. I tried to roll around HO but to no avail. It was the same running pony. The Ho had killed me eng so I glided slowly to earth as I wondered who this lame arse was that played it so cowardly. Was it pacerr, no we on same team now. Was it Sehob, no were on same team as well. It was a rook which meant it could be many but the curiosity was killin me. any guesses? (hint: cold mtn spring water is used in the brewing):rolleyes:
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
Those P51 mad L33t safe flying skills at it again. What else could he do skyrock, he's in a WWII BnZ plane your not supposed to turn em. Or wait he was out gas or bullets, or what were all the reasons people run... LOLHROTFFPAOMS:rofl
Hurry every one get in here before someone cries "Oh not another runner thread. :cry " LOLH
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You caught me:D
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Originally posted by mars01
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Those mad L33t safe flying skills at it again. What else could he do skyrock, he's in a WWII BnZ plane your not supposed to turn em. Or wait he was out gas or bullets, or what were all the reasons people run... LOLHROTFFPAOMS:rofl
Hurry every one get in here before someone cries "Oh not another runner thread. :cry " LOLH
At 3.5K out manuvers can be made to give you an advantage in an attack. I guess maybe the guy had a phone call or something. At any rate his attack on me was pretty lame as well coming in from the 12.
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Everyone makes fun of la drivers....but I gotta tell ya, I can see why folks fly um......they get sick of chasing these type of guys all over the map....
I myself like to fly the slow planes...after a while I gotta jump in LA cause people keep running from me!!
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Usual tactics of most runners. They run until you get bored and turn away from them, then turn too and attack you from behind. They call that "playing smart" :lol In fact that only way they can get somebody's six :rolleyes:
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Was not me 03,maybe it was spook,
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LOL Paccer.
I watched him vulch a field, when he was finished VOLCHING! in teh LAY!7 he tucked tail and ran back to base. zFomvg.
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I don't get why some people whine about the RunStang tactic... You can't TnB in a 51, only idiots try to knife fight splits and LaLas in a Stang.
The Stang does certain things well, and people complain when 51 pilots use the strengths of the plane to fight, and don't get sucked into a situation where the 51 is at a disadvantage.
How stupid is that?
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I don't know why everyone complains about running like a scared woman from a fight only to get pounced from behind. What's wrong with making my score bigger at the expense of gameplay and fun? Wow, you guys act like this is a game!!1 THis is WAR!!! I can't lose my Peepee-51!
:aok
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now just who is more stupid the guy that runs for a sector or the guy who chases him with little to no chance of catching him. coarse you can spend your 15 bucks anyway you like just like the runner does
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There's a difference between flying to a plane's strengths and just plain chicken-chitness. Real BnZ is a completely different animal and contrary to opinion requires a lot more aggresiveness than running like a scared little girl and not turning to fight until the enemy gives up chasing you.
And don't you go blamin' the Rooks for that. I see it all the time with Bish and Nit ElGays, Doras and Runstangs (had a Nit 51 bounce me the other night from 5k above--I was already at 15k to avoid that same thing!--MISS, and run like hell all the way back to base rather than zoom up and reverse for another pass, even though he already had like 5000x's the E as me).
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I don't get why some people whine about the RunStang tactic... You can't TnB in a 51, only idiots try to knife fight splits and LaLas in a Stang.
Many guys do and are successful in them without being timid little puzzies.
If you think that what skyrcok explained is tactics then you are confused. Extending to max 2k and continuing the fight are tactics. Running for a sector or more till the pursuer gets bored and turns, then coming back just to HO. LAME, LAME, LAME. And if that is how you fly, you are LAME.
now just who is more stupid the guy that runs for a sector or the guy who chases him with little to no chance of catching him. coarse you can spend your 15 bucks anyway you like just like the runner does
the guy that runs for a sector :aok
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I don't get why some people whine about the RunStang tactic... You can't TnB in a 51, only idiots try to knife fight splits and LaLas in a Stang.
The Stang does certain things well, and people complain when 51 pilots use the strengths of the plane to fight, and don't get sucked into a situation where the 51 is at a disadvantage.
How stupid is that?
They're not compaining about extension...its the failure to fight thats the point. Once he extended to, at most, 2.0, he had a choice. He could do a split S and remerge, nose to nose and immelman to start a real fight from there. Or, he could have run home.
When he refused a fight, but came back to go for the HO shot and a attempted pick, well, he ought to realize guys who like the fight arent gunna think much of it. Especially when the victim had sought out a disadvantged fight for a challenge.
And before you say it, yeah thats how they fought in world WAR two. This being a GAME, well, as the fighter guys like to say "Why not fight? Even if you die, you get a new plane!"
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I don't get why some people whine about the RunStang tactic... You can't TnB in a 51, only idiots try to knife fight splits and LaLas in a Stang.
The Stang does certain things well, and people complain when 51 pilots use the strengths of the plane to fight, and don't get sucked into a situation where the 51 is at a disadvantage.
How stupid is that?
give me 3.5k seperation and 1500 feet above alt adv and I will kill the bogety on my 6! That is lame u even trying to defend cowardly run tactics.
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Originally posted by icemaw
now just who is more stupid the guy that runs for a sector or the guy who chases him with little to no chance of catching him. coarse you can spend your 15 bucks anyway you like just like the runner does
I didnt call running stupid, although it is lame, pathetic, cowardly, lame..oh I already said that.
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No but he's calling you stupid :D
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I don't get why some people whine about the RunStang tactic... You can't TnB in a 51, only idiots try to knife fight splits and LaLas in a Stang.
The Stang does certain things well, and people complain when 51 pilots use the strengths of the plane to fight, and don't get sucked into a situation where the 51 is at a disadvantage.
How stupid is that?
not stupid at all actually. despite what most think the pony is an excellent turnfighter. it cant climb or accelerate as fast as some, so you do need to watch the energy difference between yourself and the enemy, but if the auxilary fuel tank is drained in the pony it is a very stable and capable turnfighter.
come by the TA some time, i'll show you some things. pony can actually pull off moves that a spitfire can't dream of. all just practise with any plane really. anyway, a pony with 50% fuel and combat flaps shouldnt be underestimated. just because the majority of dweebish MA pilots fly them in an *energy conserving* way doesnt mean that everyone does:aok
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This is the same guys that runs from a fight and then waits till ya engage in another fight,,,,then comes back and cherry pics!!...You know...like a guy named turn!!
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Why didn't you just put your plane into a tree, then you'd've found out who it was..... Oh..... Wait..... This is an SkyRock thread.
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Originally posted by Simaril
They're not compaining about extension...its the failure to fight thats the point. Once he extended to, at most, 2.0, he had a choice. He could do a split S and remerge, nose to nose and immelman to start a real fight from there. Or, he could have run home.
When he refused a fight, but came back to go for the HO shot and a attempted pick, well, he ought to realize guys who like the fight arent gunna think much of it. Especially when the victim had sought out a disadvantged fight for a challenge.
And before you say it, yeah thats how they fought in world WAR two. This being a GAME, well, as the fighter guys like to say "Why not fight? Even if you die, you get a new plane!"
I guess I should have read the initial post more carefully. Yeah I try not to run-run unless I'm out of ammo. Going bingo in the middle of a fight is a real drag.
Some of you guys responding to my post are really beyond jerks. Take a deep breath and try to get a little perspective before you flame.
Pooface I will look for you in the TA, can't say when I'll be there though, you know how it goes, family and all. Thanks.
I've been ok in the stang, my problem is realizing when the line has been crossed and I'm now fighting at a disadvantage. With so many planes, sometimes you forget the other's strengths, and going in without an understanding of the adversaries' advantages, regardless of the pilot's skill, will get you killed most often.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I guess I should have read the initial post more carefully. Yeah I try not to run-run unless I'm out of ammo. Going bingo in the middle of a fight is a real drag.
Some of you guys responding to my post are really beyond jerks. Take a deep breath and try to get a little perspective before you flame.
Pooface I will look for you in the TA, can't say when I'll be there though, you know how it goes, family and all. Thanks.
I've been ok in the stang, my problem is realizing when the line has been crossed and I'm now fighting at a disadvantage. With so many planes, sometimes you forget the other's strengths, and going in without an understanding of the adversaries' advantages, regardless of the pilot's skill, will get you killed most often.
just ignore some of the tools:aok ;)
as for fighting at a disadvantage, dont back out of the fight, record what happens, and fight your way out. if you die watch the film, see what happened. fighting at a disadvantage and getting your arse handed to you for a while is, i find, the best way to learn advanced ACM's.
it can be hard at the beginning, and it isnt fun to lose a lot, but you cant learn if you cant lose. infact, some of my best AH moments have been going into a massive fight, 10 on 1 in a cruddy ride, at a huge disadvantage, and using that disadvantage as an aggressive tactic. you'd be surprised how many people in AH are so desperate for a kill that they forget all about tactics and intelligence, come swooping straight in for you, only for you to pull a nice slow barrel roll to avoid their BnZ attack, and nail them in the cockpit from 50 yards as they try to come up again:cool:
(did that to some poor 262 pilot last night in an f4f no less) :D
there are more advantages than just the 'i have more alt and speed than you' mentality. you can use slow speed to your advantage, it's just trial and error. like i said, record your fights, see what you did wrong, and change that thing the next time.
that's how i taught myself the rolling scissors, just trial and error, watching old films, using my views and such. i'll look for you in the TA:aok
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Originally posted by TinmanX
Why didn't you just put your plane into a tree, then you'd've found out who it was..... Oh..... Wait..... This is an SkyRock thread.
LMAO I know who it was because I recorded it! It was Coors!
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Some of you guys responding to my post are really beyond jerks. Take a deep breath and try to get a little perspective before you flame.
We'll cmon now, you missread the post and come off as if you support the LAME style of fighting, then when you are called on it you get mad and call everyone jerks.
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Yeah, ya jerk.
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More crybabies. Whaa you typed not nice words to me :cry :rofl :lol :D
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That was a joke.
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I know scotty, so was mine hence the :D
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I don't get why some people whine about the RunStang tactic... You can't TnB in a 51, only idiots try to knife fight splits and LaLas in a Stang.
How stupid is that?
You can't TNB in a P-51? accordig to AH you sure can :D
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Originally posted by Glasses
You can't TNB in a P-51? accordig to AH you sure can :D
I've been corrected as above and will attend remedial P-51 classes with the honorable Pooface.
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If I'm not gaining on a runner I will usually turn away and regain Alt. It's not worth the time to chase some guys. Sure they will come back with E/Alt but so what.
I had a similar situation last nite, only I was the one who extended.
I'm in a Pony D with 4 kills in the can and get into a disadvantaged situation with an LA at about 300ft alt. So I drop the nose and extent. I trim it into a shallow dive and the LA gives chase. Now he could have chased me all the way home and I could have cared less. He was not gaining on me. At about 2K back he turns away left so I parallel him and we both bag some alt. We re-engage with me slightly higher. Turns into a real nail-biter of a stall fight and I finally got him with my last few rounds.
(wish I'd have filmed it. I keep forgetting to turn the recorder on.)
I could have taken my 4 kills home and there is nothing wrong in that.
The LA could have chased me the whole way which would have been a waste of time for him. But he didn't. His turning away resulted in the fight getting re-engaged and it was a lot of fun for both of us. At least I think he had fun. I sure did.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I've been corrected as above and will attend remedial P-51 classes with the honorable Pooface.
:lol :aok
nah, not so much remidial classes, i'll just give you some tips :)
turnfighting in a pony with 100% fuel can make it hard, the auxilary fuel tank offsets the centre of gravity, and makes the plane a lot harder to control on the edge of the stall. that's why most people take 50% and droptanks:aok
that and just some basic energy retaining BFM's and some nice simple ACM's should do you a world of good;)
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I seriously doubt Coors even reads the BBS. Even if he does, I doubt even more that he cares one bit for what any of us might think of his tactics or his flying style. He's been flying P-51's that way for many years, and he plays to win. Period. If you DO manage to corner him, dont be surprised if he still hands you your butt on a silver platter. He can TnB a Pony if he wants to. After this long I doubt he feels the need to prove his skillz to anyone.
As for actually GETTING him to turn and fight, its not that hard to do. Extended extending is a common enough tactic in Pony drivers. They are just waiting for you to turn around. So rather than chasing them halfway across the map, once you have some distance between you put the plane into a shallow climb and get some alt, then turn and let him chase YOU if he wants to. Let him climb up to where you are, let him chase you, and let him follow you back into territory thats friendly to you. Once he's close enough reverse back into him and give him the choice of "extending" right into enemy territory where he'll be low and have a long run home, or try to reverse and run right there and give you a chance at a shot. Just be sure thats what you want. Its all fun and games while you are making fun of the lamer runtard, but then when you catch him and he kicks your arse, its not so funny anymore. :) Rather embarassing actually.
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Originally posted by Glasses
You can't TNB in a P-51? accordig to AH you sure can :D
SYSTEM: A whine has been recorded.
Bronk
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I seriously doubt Coors even reads the BBS. Even if he does, I doubt even more that he cares one bit for what any of us might think of his tactics or his flying style. He's been flying P-51's that way for many years, and he plays to win. Period. If you DO manage to corner him, dont be surprised if he still hands you your butt on a silver platter. He can TnB a Pony if he wants to. After this long I doubt he feels the need to prove his skillz to anyone.
As for actually GETTING him to turn and fight, its not that hard to do. Extended extending is a common enough tactic in Pony drivers. They are just waiting for you to turn around. So rather than chasing them halfway across the map, once you have some distance between you put the plane into a shallow climb and get some alt, then turn and let him chase YOU if he wants to. Let him climb up to where you are, let him chase you, and let him follow you back into territory thats friendly to you. Once he's close enough reverse back into him and give him the choice of "extending" right into enemy territory where he'll be low and have a long run home, or try to reverse and run right there and give you a chance at a shot. Just be sure thats what you want. Its all fun and games while you are making fun of the lamer runtard, but then when you catch him and he kicks your arse, its not so funny anymore. :) Rather embarassing actually.
nice big brother defense.
i know coors kicked my butt a few times too....
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you say you nosed down to him. who was cherry picking who?:huh
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How about this situation.
Trying to take an enemy field wth less numbers than the defenders.
First flight in with a 109. Alt 6k. Get to field and a friendly is being chased on the deck by 4 cons. Dive in, scare 1 off, kill 2, check 6 and now your being chased by a con. Drag him a little away from the field, get into a great turnfight, and your on his 6. Getting ready to fnish him, check 6, and see cons, 2 low , and 1 high all 400 - 800 back. Get your wing blown off before you get a shot in.
2nd flight in with a 109. alt 6k. Get to field and a friendly is beind chased by 4 cons. dive in again to clear him, but this time see 2 co-alt cons follow your dive. Clear allies six, kill 2, get blown away.
3rd flight in with a pony 12k. Get to field, see your buddies being ganged.
BnZ a bunch, kill 2 n1k's, 1 La, 1 Pony, 1 Hurri Mk2. Run out of ammo, hit the deck and announce on range rtb ammo. check 6, see 2 la's drooling, thinking to themselves.. "look at this puh-z runstang." see 2 friendlies that you saved earlier engange the la's, and they break. RTB and land your kills.
Check dar and dot radars. Notice that friendlies are now over enemy airfield with cap, and enemy dar is only 1/4 of grid instead of full.
4th flight in.. B24's for town.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
caught a pony cherry picking so I nose down to get lil more speed to merge withhim and came up bout 800 off his 6. I followed this pony for a sector as he slowly out climbed and ran. as he was 3.5 out I turned and broke off as we were well past his back base. I started engaging some cons killed a yak and then as I looped back towards their base I noticed pony coming in with lots o smash. I saw him coming in on me 12 but I was at to[p and had no E. I tried to roll around HO but to no avail. It was the same running pony. The Ho had killed me eng so I glided slowly to earth as I wondered who this lame arse was that played it so cowardly. Was it pacerr, no we on same team now. Was it Sehob, no were on same team as well. It was a rook which meant it could be many but the curiosity was killin me. any guesses? (hint: cold mtn spring water is used in the brewing):rolleyes:
So what was his name or did ya get schooled by a noob?
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I think he just need a little exercise. You know beer belly and all.
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
you say you nosed down to him. who was cherry picking who?:huh
He came in from 12k i was at 5k but nosed down for speed to merge at bottom of his dive. :aok
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Trying to take an enemy field
First mistake :D
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I seriously doubt Coors even reads the BBS. Even if he does, I doubt even more that he cares one bit for what any of us might think of his tactics or his flying style. He's been flying P-51's that way for many years, and he plays to win. Period. If you DO manage to corner him, dont be surprised if he still hands you your butt on a silver platter. He can TnB a Pony if he wants to. After this long I doubt he feels the need to prove his skillz to anyone.
As for actually GETTING him to turn and fight, its not that hard to do. Extended extending is a common enough tactic in Pony drivers. They are just waiting for you to turn around. So rather than chasing them halfway across the map, once you have some distance between you put the plane into a shallow climb and get some alt, then turn and let him chase YOU if he wants to. Let him climb up to where you are, let him chase you, and let him follow you back into territory thats friendly to you. Once he's close enough reverse back into him and give him the choice of "extending" right into enemy territory where he'll be low and have a long run home, or try to reverse and run right there and give you a chance at a shot. Just be sure thats what you want. Its all fun and games while you are making fun of the lamer runtard, but then when you catch him and he kicks your arse, its not so funny anymore. :) Rather embarassing actually.
Once I've caught him and forced him to fight, he's an easy kill for me ;) I flew with/against him in AirWarrior as well. He flew with the same style there as he does here.
The only hard part is getting him to fight heh. I feel the same about many others that fly the same way. Just the other day Ezeepkns jumped my Tempest with a Me-110. He had all the Aces, alt, speed etc.....and still got his butt handed to him :D
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The LA7. Ive yet to see one approach and try to avoid a HO. They work for it above all else.
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Just love these "He wont fight the way i want him to fight" whines. Cracks me up. Some people aint going to play into your hands, deal with it...
I love it when people chase faster planes than the one they're in - really stupid! think about it, just for a couple of seconds think a little bit in to the future...
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I don't get why some people whine about the RunStang tactic... You can't TnB in a 51, only idiots try to knife fight splits and LaLas in a Stang.
:huh :huh :huh
that is the dumbest comment ive read on this board
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Originally posted by Pooface
just ignore some of the tools:aok ;)
...snip....
like i said, record your fights, see what you did wrong, and change that thing the next time.
that's how i taught myself the rolling scissors, just trial and error, watching old films, using my views and such. i'll look for you in the TA:aok
Another tip -- if I've just been owned by a non-jerk good stick, I'll often throw a salute then PM and ask what I did wrong. I get a lot from that, especially the subjective stuff I wouldnt pick up on my own -- like "you were too aggressive after the first merge, and when you burned the E you werent aggressive enough."
IIn my experience, almost all the guys who really know their stuff are very open to this appoach and respond helpfully. As I think about it, the most irritating MA'ers are the midrange wannabes out to prove something that isnt true about their skills....
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Originally posted by Spatula
Just love these "He wont fight the way i want him to fight" whines. Cracks me up. Some people aint going to play into your hands, deal with it...
I love it when people chase faster planes than the one they're in - really stupid! think about it, just for a couple of seconds think a little bit in to the future...
Wow, you have the IQ of a kitchen utinsel as well! I actually only called this out because of the reasoning behind this particular running incident. Many run because they don't know what to do. I never post comments about noobs running because they probably don't really know what to do to stay alive when someone is "really" after their arse. There are, on the other hand, some in this game who are vets and should have by now at least attempted to learn some counter acm's for situations when they don't have the advantage. Instead they sink into a deep cauldron of lameness in the feeble attempt to keep their rank looking good. While it is reasonable to "go through a period of learning" where timidness seems an option but in the concept of a "game" lets not waste time sightseeing virtual Trinity countryside, LETS FIGHT! Just so you know I am not just picking on Coors, here is the rest of the A-list of lamers:
pacerr
sehob
Glasses
all 190D pilots hee hee jk
SHawk would make this list accept he will go to the DA to fight
any other A-list lamers that I'm missing? Please feel free to add to the list of A-list score twit runners
next week we'll have the A-list of suicide idiot vulchers followed by A-list of camper dorks:aok
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Round it out with A-list of out of control egos:aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
(hint: cold mtn spring water is used in the brewing):rolleyes:
Almost a decade and nothings changed :)
If you're making a list, there are a few Shills I can think of.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
The LA7. Ive yet to see one approach and try to avoid a HO. They work for it above all else.
I second that.
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Wow, you have the IQ of a kitchen utinsel as well!
Lets try and not get into personal slag-offs eh?
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Originally posted by Simaril
Another tip -- if I've just been owned by a non-jerk good stick, I'll often throw a salute then PM and ask what I did wrong. I get a lot from that, especially the subjective stuff I wouldnt pick up on my own -- like "you were too aggressive after the first merge, and when you burned the E you werent aggressive enough."
Great suggestion, Simaril, I will try this.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Spatula
Lets try and not get into personal slag-offs eh?
Well the use of the word stupid seems to set the tone don't you think?:aok
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Originally posted by navajoboy
nice big brother defense.
i know coors kicked my butt a few times too....
I heard about that, 2 beers and then what happened. :aok
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Well the use of the word stupid seems to set the tone don't you think?:aok
Im not calling anyone in particular stupid. It was more general than that.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I second that.
Then you've never fought me.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Great suggestion, Simaril, I will try this.
- oldman
Is there anyone you have ever NOT saluted? You are probably the only person I can honestly say I have NEVER seen lose their temper.
:D
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Originally posted by SkyRock
Please feel free to add to the list of A-list score twit runners
next week we'll have the A-list of suicide idiot vulchers followed by A-list of camper dorks:aok
Strangely, those guys would make all three lists. I guess if you're lame, you're lame in everything you do.
Oh, and Glasses isn't timid, he just shreaks and yells so much about uber allied fawk yeah flaps and flight models that he's too busy holding down the mic key or typing whines to fight.
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I HATE RUBNNERS@@#
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Originally posted by Stang
Strangely, those guys would make all three lists. I guess if you're lame, you're lame in everything you do.
Oh, and Glasses isn't timid, he just shreaks and yells so much about uber allied fawk yeah flaps and flight models that he's too busy holding down the mic key or typing whines to fight.
LMAO, I know I just put his name in there to piss him off, undoubtedly it's real easy to do! hee hee:D
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Originally posted by Stang
Oh, and Glasses isn't timid, he just shreaks and yells so much about uber allied fawk yeah flaps and flight models that he's too busy holding down the mic key or typing whines to fight.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
You mean he can become more of a whiner than on the bbs?:O
Bronk
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I HATE RUBNNERS@@#
So did your dad. Did you say rubbers or runners?:huh
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I HATE RUGBURNS@@#
Fixed it for ya Supa
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Fixed it for ya Supa
Bronk
hehehe:aok
btw,another fine,fine avatar sir <>
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Where has the old, good, difficult-to-achieve, Situational Awareness gone? In, a multi-threats situation you cannot obviously loose sight of a Pony fast climbing away. Why does it seem so obvious? ;)
Heya Spatula, old rusty hand :)
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You guys that support the timid technique used by the pony are obviousely just as timid in your tactics.
Anyone who plays this game agressively and puts their pretend airplane on the line can see this. So all you timid little fliers keep flying timid, just don't cry when you are called a timid.
Anyone that needs to extend out of visual range, past 2k for that matter, is not fighting but running and cherry picking. That is just fact.
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So, outclimbing somebody of 2K, coming down and smashing him in pieces means timid flying? Does this "timid flying" theory apply only in the horizontal plane or in vertical as well? And what about oblique angle extending? :)
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Anyone that needs to extend out of visual range, past 2k for that matter
Your not reading Gatt, if you are in a 1vs1 and you have to fly farther than 2k away from a plane on your six before you reverse you are timid little safety dancer:aok
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Originally posted by Simaril
IIn my experience, almost all the guys who really know their stuff are very open to this appoach and respond helpfully. As I think about it, the most irritating MA'ers are the midrange wannabes out to prove something that isnt true about their skills....
Or dis-prove something that is true about their deficiencies.
"WAH! you cherry picked me!"
(look behind you dumarss)
"WAH! you ganged me!"
(If you didn't want to get ganged why'd you come to the party?)
"WAH! Your a cheater!"
(your just pathetic)
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"WAH! you cherry picked me!"
(look behind you dumarss)
"WAH! you ganged me!"
(If you didn't want to get ganged why'd you come to the party?)
some more justifications for the horde mentality
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Ignore them, Gatt.
There's a small clique who seem intent on hijacking every thread and turning into the same pointless crap. They're bored. Pity them.
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There's a small clique who seem intent on hijacking every thread and turning into the same pointless crap. They're bored. Pity them.
Your out of line Doc. My responses are totally on topic, there is no hijacking.
I guess I'll run around all of your posts and tell everyone to ignore you because your an #######.
So you too support extending past 2k and call that fighting LOLH. Figures.
:lol
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DA anyone?:D
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"I just felt like running"
FOREST GUMP
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Originally posted by mars01
... My responses are totally on topic, there is no hijacking.
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What. Ever.
I am not an #######, I am THE #######. Thank you very much.
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what are the odds that mars was really good at turn fighting in bf1942 or ww2 online
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I think some of you take this waaaaaaaayyyyyyyy too seriously.
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Running has it's merits. Lots of times I find myself running, not from the plane who's trying to catch me but from the five planes behind him.
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Flatbar that is all well and good, but not the issue. The issue was a 1V1 engagement where an agressive P51 player would have made a fight out of it, using his plane to all it's advantages.
Leaving the engagement and comming back cherry picking, and in this instance HOing, is not fighting, it is just plain LAME.
If that is the player style the defenders of the "Run" or I should say runners aspire to, fine. But they shouldn't cry when they are called out on it. That is all.
what are the odds that mars was really good at turn fighting in bf1942 or ww2 online
No very good since I only played AWIII briefly and AH. :aok Gaurantee 1 thing tho, if you get behind me, your going to get a fight. Not some grapefruit snooze fest you guys aspire to.:D :aok
I am not an #######, I am THE #######. Thank you very much.
Yep you are proving that more and more:lol
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Originally posted by mars01
Flatbar that is all well and good, but not the issue. The issue was a 1V1 engagement where an agressive P51 player would have made a fight out of it, using his plane to all it's advantages.
I fly a 110 almost exclusivly, not too many run from me and some of the best 1v1 fights I've had were against P51's.
If somebody decides to run from me then I'll just look for another target. If the runner decides to come back I'll turn into him and shoot him in the face since he's not interested in any real fight using ACM. Four 20mm's and 2 30mm's are very effective in that situation :t
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Originally posted by Flatbar
... If somebody decides to run from me then I'll just look for another target. If the runner decides to come back I'll turn into him and shoot him in the face since he's not interested in any real fight using ACM. Four 20mm's and 2 30mm's are very effective in that situation :t
Actually, you need a decent SA to do it. And thats good. But thats exactly what a lot of cherries usually lack :)
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I've had P-51s run from 1v1 engagements against my 1-Hog.
It's always funny to see a conga-line of 1 red plane running from a dozen greens (or vice-versa). Reminds me of the end credits of Benny Hill. :D
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Originally posted by Saxman
I've had P-51s run from 1v1 engagements against my 1-Hog.
It's always funny to see a conga-line of 1 red plane running from a dozen greens (or vice-versa). Reminds me of the end credits of Benny Hill. :D
Oh Cod! That music and the boobies!!!!
I sure do miss BH.
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Hiya Gatt :) Always good to see some crusty old-skool vets still kicking :)
Guess people are talking about 3 issues and some are confusing them. 1. The issue of this thread pertaining to a specific engagement; 2. The general issue of the run away tactic. 3. Generally being a "timid" pilot.
I cant comment on the specific engagement cause i wasnt part of it. There could be any number of reasons why he chose not to engage - timidity being one of those. Who knows?
I think any tactic is a perfectly valid tactic. But people who only have 1 or 2 tactics up their sleeve (whatever they may be) are normally easily dispatched. The mark of a good pilot is knowing which tactic to employ when, to maximise you chances of killing your opponent.
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P-51s out turn D-9s and Hogfires outturn spits.
It's easy not to be timid when the Poonaniestian in AH can do things it couldn't with
W0N T3H W4R 1337 FL4PS. :D
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Just out of curiousity SkyRock......
What do you really hope to achieve with this thread?
Dave
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Originally posted by Nomak
Just out of curiousity SkyRock......
What do you really hope to achieve with this thread?
Dave
Nothing. Was just tired of hearing about toolshedders.:aok
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Nothing. Was just tired of hearing about toolshedders.
LOLH :aok
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Originally posted by Glasses
P-51s out turn D-9s and Hogfires outturn spits.
It's easy not to be timid when the Poonaniestian in AH can do things it couldn't with
W0N T3H W4R 1337 FL4PS. :D
SYSTEM: Glasses has landed yet another whine.
Bronk
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Originally posted by FiLtH
The LA7. Ive yet to see one approach and try to avoid a HO. They work for it above all else.
Thats cause Shane hasn't been around in quite awhile.
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In all the years that I have played this game, there is only a handfull of people that I know that can really fight the P-51 ... and one of them posted in this thread ... IceMAW ... 99% are a disgrace to the plane and its abilities.