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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SMIDSY on May 16, 2006, 06:48:03 AM
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a thought just occoured when i was just reading the message boards for an FPS. a person suggested that there be more gore in the game, but many said that it would be innapropriate.....let that sink in.....no gore in a game where you kill people because it is innapropriate? which then got me thinking: when you see modern war footage, you rarely see dead bodies and when you do, it is very briefly and never very graphic.
am i the only one who believes that if a nation does not have the fortitude to see what war is, they should not go to war?
please discuss this in a civilized manner as it is a serious subject.
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If you want to see war, join the army.
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but is it right to order somebodies death but not be willing to pull the trigger yourself? or at least see it for yourself?
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I do not want Al Gore in AH2 even if he did invent the internet.
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There is a difference in what you see in a GAME and what reality is like.
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You have a point to a degree, but you also run the risk of desensitizing people as well.
I would think that when a noob gets his first taste of war it is overwhelming in many ways, then as the noob becomes a seasoned vet they are more or less desensitized to it so that they can deal with what they have to do.
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am i the only one who believes that if a nation does not have the fortitude to see what war is, they should not go to war?
Nations sometimes must go to war, I was in the Army, Armored Cavalry for 22 years. There things you just don't need to see on the news or in a game.
Those of us who have been there, we still see it for you... you wouldn't like it.
Cavalry
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The powers that be are simply hiding the horrors of war so future generations wont be afraid to do battle.
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Originally posted by SMIDSY
when you see modern war footage, you rarely see dead bodies and when you do, it is very briefly and never very graphic.
It depends on where you go to see the footage. You are not going to see "gore" on the 1800 news. However there are plenty of places on the Internet where you can see unedited footage.
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It's so as not to send one part of the audience/teeming masses running to mama's skirt in fits of repression, and the other into fantasmagorical seizures of bloodlust and general disregard for the tacit gentlemens' agreement that is 'society'.
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Yes SMIDSY, we have. I haven't, I say we in a general sense.
Political correctness is as far from common sense as a thought can be moved. All that garbage about games & music "causing" violence in real life is B.S., if it affects anything it's because parents; if there are parents instead of A parent which is an intregal part of the problem, say "where's junior? I haven't seen him all day."
Well folks that's because you're using video games, Ipods, PC's, TV's ETC. as babysitters. Television & games and such are not the problem, it's the guidance that is lacking to go along with them.
All those school shootings could have been prevented, not by outlawing guns or violent video games; but by a firm butt whipping that was backed up by law enforcement & the courts instead of bleeding heart political correctness cry-babies saying "that poor child has rights!" & dragging parents into court for abuse. Those same political correctness advocates then cry foul when the little hellions go out and commit crimes!
Common sense was the first murder of the new millenia, you can see it on these very forums. All forums really & in the paper & just talking to people; they have lost their freaking minds. The general population is so brainwashed now into the "capitulate & all will be fine, don't lower yourself to their level" mentality. It sickens me to see people victimized because they wouldn't help themselves & then, if they survive it, they go on to say it wasn't the criminals fault, they blame violent video games or rap music or society.
Wake up and smell the smoke before you burn to death people; the house is on fire!
If it seems hard for you to "see it from their side"; DON'T TRY TOO! see it in the simplest most direct form you can & don't over-complicate it, because if you do, your simply trying to find a way to swallow BULL-*censored* to pacify someone else & coddle their sensitivities so they won't be offended. Here's a novel idea, go ahead and offend them. If you think someones kid is a rotten snot, tell them so. You are not in the wrong, they are for raising their child that way.
You may think I have digressed from the point of the opening poster, but I haven't, it's all intertwined. I don't know if it's the "devil" as put forth in the christian bible, but something is happening & it is tricking people into becoming no better than dogs that have been beaten to the point where they just roll over & piss on themselves whenever they are confronted even if they have done nothing wrong.
The great American Samuel Adams has a few quotes I love & will repost them here:
“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”
“Mankind are governed more by their feelings than by reason.”
“How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!”
“A general dissolution of principles and manners will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader.”
"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
People shouldn't confuse kindness for weakness & they should not want peace so much that they forfeit their own thoughts & feelings for the sake of it. So the next time someone approaches you & proceeds to spew the utter stupidity that is political correctness, kindly tell them to **** - off, after all, you have a right to freedom of speech too, use it.
Edited for punctuation & a couple spelling mistakes.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
Political correctness is as far from common sense as a thought can be moved. All that garbage about games & music "causing" violence in real life is B.S., if it affects anything it's because parents; if there are parents instead of A parent which is an intregal part of the problem, say "where's junior? I haven't seen him all day."
All those school shootings could have been prevented, not by outlawing guns or violent video games; but by a firm butt whipping that was backed up by law enforcement & the courts instead of bleeding heart political correctness cry-babies saying "that poor child has rights!" & dragging parents into court for abuse. Those same political correctness advocates then cry foul when the little hellions go out and commit crimes!
The Columbine shooters were both from intact, two-parent families. Additionally, the theory that insufficient violence (spanking, paddling, whipping @ school, and again @ home) would've prevented it, is conjecture at the very best. Ancedotes such as, "Back in my day they had these paddles..." is not science. If we're going to use ancedotes... well, Nintendo was my baby-sitter. My parents never spanked me past 4 years old, and I was never grounded. I live a successful and moral life.
If you have to beat goodness into somebody, you're already screwing up.
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I'll only reply with this one remark & I'm laughing while I do it; You admit they spanked you and you turned out right, but you seem to be trying to argue an opposition point :rofl
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I had typed out a bunch of crap in response to gratuitous gore and then it occured to me: "A bunch of guys were participating in an FPS on-line forum discussing manhood" and I started laughing too hard to finish the paragraph.
Things are pretty screwed up these days, but I don't think it's for the same reasons you're citing.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
I'll only reply with this one remark & I'm laughing while I do it; You admit they spanked you and you turned out right, but you seem to be trying to argue an opposition point :rofl
Are you saying that the mental facillities are the same between a 4 year old and someone in middle school, junior high, or highschool? What's that saying when they interview parents about their kid messing up? "He used to be such a good child!" :)
Let me clarify exactly what I'm saying. It doesn't matter if there are 1 parents or 2. A single, good parent, setting a good moral example will not have to beat goodness into their children or worry about ultra-PC parents interfering with how they raise their children.
A single, or intact married couple, raising a child and setting a bad moral example... it doesn't matter how often they beat in the goodness. It will have the exact opposite result, and the child will turn out just like the immoral parents.
Just saying, lead by example & not stern words & fists/belts/switches :)
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I'm still trying to level-up in RL. It's hard, the end guy is tough.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I'm still trying to level-up in RL. It's hard, the end guy is tough.
I've been told tier 3 armor sets are in the new raid instance in the 1.11 patch. Those should help the 60-70 run after the expansion.
...i'm on the wrong BB for this convo...
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How would blood and guts on your canopy enhance the gaming experience?
For every interview I have seen veterans talking of blood and guts on the nose of a B-17 while flying to Schweinfurt, I have seen fighter pilots saying they shoot down airplanes and don't think of the pilot until later.
During the hunt they are shooting down a zero, not killing Ishi Yamaguchi.
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And obscenity isn't exclusively explicitit.
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mathew brady only did that stuff because he was a world champion huffer.
you'll never get rich or popular that way & going out to the green zone is dangerous.
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Originally posted by indy007
The Columbine shooters were both from intact, two-parent families. Additionally, the theory that insufficient violence (spanking, paddling, whipping @ school, and again @ home) would've prevented it, is conjecture at the very best. Ancedotes such as, "Back in my day they had these paddles..." is not science. If we're going to use ancedotes... well, Nintendo was my baby-sitter. My parents never spanked me past 4 years old, and I was never grounded. I live a successful and moral life.
If you have to beat goodness into somebody, you're already screwing up.
And to Brenjen in his reply. It has nothing to do with whether a child is spanked or not. It has to do with parental apathy. There was a case of 2 brothers who played D&D in their closed room for well over 36 hours at a time, only coming out to eat and go to the bathroom. When they finally went out and both committed suicide their parents were SHOCKED! 36 hours locked in a room playing a board game didn't even get their attention but now they are completely surprised that there was something wrong with these boys. Then they want to blame it on the game.
The biggest problem with mental illness is the complete apathy of the people closest to the afflicted person. As someone who has had family experience with it I've heard this excuse to many times before, "there was nothing i could do". The truth is they didn't do anything except close their eyes and hope it goes away.
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Originally posted by Clifra Jones
And to Brenjen in his reply. It has nothing to do with whether a child is spanked or not. It has to do with parental apathy. There was a case of 2 brothers who played D&D in their closed room for well over 36 hours at a time, only coming out to eat and go to the bathroom. When they finally went out and both committed suicide their parents were SHOCKED! 36 hours locked in a room playing a board game didn't even get their attention but now they are completely surprised that there was something wrong with these boys. Then they want to blame it on the game.
The biggest problem with mental illness is the complete apathy of the people closest to the afflicted person. As someone who has had family experience with it I've heard this excuse to many times before, "there was nothing i could do". The truth is they didn't do anything except close their eyes and hope it goes away.
I fought a 10 year struggle with a kid and a wife... the kid going down the tubes, the wife enabling her. saw every diagnosis.. 'bi-polar', 'addiction', etc.
never ceased fighting for her.. and that meant fighting both of them. One knew how to work the system, the other convinced she was 'sick'.
Kids fine.. nothin wrong with her. never was, beyond the empowerment granted kids acting out in our sick society. If i had i time machine, I'd go back and shoot dr. spock.
and I agree... if i took the 'easy way out', and surrendered that child to society with it's 'i did everything i could' PC BS, she would have been lost.. dead today.
parents need to take back complete control and total responsibility and for and of thier children. not only do a heluva lotta kids need their tulips kicks soundly and often, a heluva lotta parents need their tulips kicked too.
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guys, this has nothing to do with columbine. please get back on topic.
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Gore in video games has nothing to do with how manly we are.
End of discussion.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
If i had i time machine, I'd go back and shoot dr. spock.
Why the devil would you want to shoot Mr Spock?
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Why the devil would you want to shoot Mr Spock?
He said Dr. Spock.
Here's the diff: Mr. Spock is fictitious. Dr. Spock, however, was not.
Or did you forget the tags?
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Why the devil would you want to shoot Mr Spock?
An obvious predisposition to hate those with pointed ears.
Evander Holyfield is on his list...
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with the playstation 3 and the xbox 360 its goin to be hard to keep heavy gore out of the games, even the grass is fully 3d. It does desensatize us to violence but of course im old enough to know its just a game. The younger kids are the ones i worry about. Look at the media as a whole. 10 years ago you couldnt say "*****" on tv, now there say everything but the f bomb. I have listened to hot 97.1 for years(not the last few years music now sucks, last time i heard somethin good i was is high school). Now on hot 97.1 they can say the n word. Comedy central plays movies uncensored at midnight, i was watchin south park they other day and they played the whole movie in full. Im older so i dont care but what about these kids growing up. There horrible. I have seen 12 year olds doin drug and haveing sex, whats the world coming to.
Hang time i agree parents need to raise these kids. If i pulled a 1/4 of the stuff these kids pulled when i was growing up(in the 90s) i would have got my bellybutton kicked. Yes there is a thing called child abuse but a solid smack in the mouth wont kill him. I seen what these kids do today and its parent abuse. I seen a 14 year old kid smack his mom and call her a *****. I came up and told that little punk if he does it again and hes goin to have a problem, mother turns around and says its OK. Wheres the respect. You got these young girls no older then 17 dressed like a hoe. I dont noe how they let her out the house, skirt is so short a little wind will show u the whole deal. Theres no excuse for things like this.
Gore in the games isnt needed but like at how real they look now. If im plyin a shooter and put a load of bullets on a enemy i expect him to be riped apart. Back in the n64 days u could get around this, u shoot the enemy falls with alot red coloring on him and he disappears. Now it looks so real that u cant cut corners like that. I saw some of the e3 games on tv and there amazing. U dont need gore but u do need realism, games like gran turismo 4 have great graphics but when im goin 100mph and hit a wall the car should be destroyed i should bounce off the wall and keep going.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
An obvious predisposition to hate those with pointed ears.
Evander Holyfield is on his list...
i have an elf snuff film library.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
He said Dr. Spock.
Here's the diff: Mr. Spock is fictitious. Dr. Spock, however, was not.
Or did you forget the tags?
ok who the devil is Dr. Spock then?
bet it turns out to be one of those things only a geezer would know.
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Dr. Spock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Spock)