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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: tracer on May 16, 2006, 03:19:58 PM
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Hi AH players,
I currently am happily playing Warbirds, and have been lurking your boards now for a few weeks, especially your very excellent training boards. I was wondering how AH and WB compare. I'm not sure I can handle playing both, time-wise. I'm really tempted to give AH a try. For those experienced with both, I'd like to know how the 2 games compare and what features have you here by choice.
Thanks!
;)
tracer
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Dale made both and he says AH is better .
Bronk
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Try the two weeks free trial period and you will see for yourself AH is the best choice.
Lambo
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Before I started playing AH I did trials in AH, WB and FA... found AH to have the best flight model by far, built in voice made it much easier to be a new pilot then in the other games and finally the view model of AH is vastly supperior to any of the games...
Tex
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AH kicks the crud outta WB, and HT said it himself:
'I made both, AH is better'
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Hello
Just open your 2 weeks trial and go figure. You seem to be US player, so you may have action in WB, euro timezone it is maybe too low actionwise:) .
Before you go online, map your keyboard/stick same as you have in WB, helps a lot to get in game. Keymapper is easiest of every game i have tryed, even i was able to do that:eek: Mapping views is must!! Do not forget!! It makes world CLEAR. Do not forget ingame radio, voice is not perfect, but it works.(not same lvl as TS i mean)
AH has more players online, "about" same planeset as WB main, inflight dar, otto beeing off, but.... about same chances to kill buff as in WB:lol
Planes are flying more like "rails" in AH, WB having that "rubber"thingy feeling. Turn off all autothingy and extra help when you start AH, you just learn bad habits using those:D . And before go online, read helpfile!! You will get alt+ f4 "help" 60% sure if you ask help online. And, if you want you can play both, cheap today, but you may get killed 1-2 times when getting used to other game first 1-2 sorties.
puujiikoo
PS poster asked comparision/opinion, i know HT has made both, but saying AH is better just give you one more post and nothing else....
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Aces High is better, much better .
You will find more of everything in AcesHigh .
Be sure to install a custom sound pack .... Mitsu sound pack is very cool ....
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Originally posted by -pjk--
...Turn off all autothingy.....
Just had to laugh when I read this line!!!! :D
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Have played both must must admit I ain't been near WB in 3 yrs. I check WB players from time to time and there just isn't a comparison to the amount of guys here in AH. 500 + on a week end 350+ week days.
Yer Dale made both but since I changed to AH from WB fighter Ops and WB2 there hasn't been a single reason for me to go back. Loadsa guys in here. Lots of action from fighter, jabo, bomber, tank or Carrier gunnery command. Lots to do and it's cheaper.
The dot commands are an easy convert as are the KEY commands. Only the odd difference. You'll find them under "help" or in down loads "HELP"
2 weeks free.....check it out.
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people still play warbirds?
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Bronk - what flavor is that milkshake?
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tracer
(eh in AH = snofox in WB)
I believe that AH is now superior to WB, especially since the WW2 Arena in WB is dead. If you like that kinda gameplay, try our Allies vs. Axis theatre... it is more active than WBs version, and the graphics are much better. The Combat Theatre should be opening soon (two years LOL?) and that will be even more scenario like. On Fridays, there is the equivalent to the S3 series... you will love it; we have scenarios in AH and Snapshots as well. Enjoy them all. BTW, the Main Arena (arcade style) is far superior to WBs attempt. In AH, there are no phony baloney air starts, and all players are real, not drones.
As for the plane set: All early war Axis planes are much better modelled than in WBs. You will see a huge difference in the agility of the Zero and the 109 E and F. They are actually worthwhile flying in this game. The Wildcats are not uber in here. Watch out for the following though: The Ki 61 in AH is not nearly as maneuverable as it is in WB, so resist the temptation to get into a sustained turnfight. The P40 in AH is much more accurately modelled in AH, and lives up to its "lead sled" reputation during the war. It's good, but not excellent in a dogfight, as it is in WB.
I used to play both, but cancelled my WB account in December of last year after waiting for six months for iEN to come to their senses about the WW2 Arena, and the flight modelling of early war fighters. They haven't and they won't. I miss my old squaddies (Menacing Ferrets) a whole lot, but the game is not worth the candle anymore.
Enjoy tracer! You have come to a kick bellybutton game. After making the adjustment, you will agree I am sure.
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Used to be an avid WBer, left about the time WBIII came along. Tried AH back in AH1 days but wasn't impressed, so I was out of online flying from 2001 until 2005. Finally went ahead and gave AH a long term try- have been here for about a year and haven't looked back.
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Thanks for all of the good responses, sounds like lots more players than in WB's on an average day, and the different flight modeling would be interesting to try. I was wondering PJK about stick setup on the X52 if it could be similar to what I'm used to in WB's, cuz once things get "busy" I kind of use the controls without thinking much about what keys are programmed to which function. Sounds like there's decent carryover between games, though I'm not sure about the "autothingy":rolleyes:
Well eh (snofox), the ferrets are very much alive and well, especially in the WWII arena 2 nights a week and in the big Sunday S3's. I usually fly against them (I like being the underdog), the short icons are fun. Thanks for the planeset comparisons.
I also fly WB's in a squad I'm pretty attached to, can't picture at this time giving those guys up, we kinda rely on each other. Bottom line is give AH a try, find out for myself, which is what I thought but it never hurts to ask around. Thanks for the good feedback. See ya soon.
tracer
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Flew WB for 4 years, switched to AH when it came out, never looked back.
Take the time to remap controls similar to WB. It will make the transition easier.
Your going to love the AH mapping interface once you get the hang of it.
Plan on spending some time in the Training arena once you get fired up.
Damage has been turned off in the TA, however you will hear the hits.
And cockpit, wings, etc will show bullet holes on most planes. Timing & FM changes are going to be the biggest adjustments. Lots of good sticks in there most evenings. And with luck you'll run into a trainer or 2. If you don't, just give trainers@hitechcreations.com a shout.
Major differences, Customer Service, AH has the best, bar none, any online game ever. Big statement, but HT has made it true. Just email or call, and they'll help.
# of people online, 450 - 650 people online at once does change gameplay.
Tends to bring out the hordes. You'll see those numbers every night.
Daytimes tend to run 100 - 250 with early morning US being the lowest.
Mid afternoons being the highest.
Unlike WB there isn't much offline, so with the exception of bombing practise or shooting a drone or 2 its not a lot of help.
Come on in, the waters fine!
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Hi tracer
Autothingy i mean: auto takeoff, auto combat trim and stall limiter
:D . Go to settings to check those, i am not sure what is default set.
I use same stickset in AH/WB/WW2OL,(+ 0 damper 0 deadband)
puujiikoo
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The greatest frustration I have is FM's and rear views in simms other that AH. The FM's in AH are constantly manipulated for accuracy and HTC is very open to real flight data and they are very accessable.
Take a look at the 6 view in WB and IL2.
In even a P-51D with a bubble canopy they 6 view is aweful and the ability to access these views in WB is as if the pilot is on lithium. Just bizarre with no historic proof of any of it. It kills the enjoyment of ACM IMHO and makes IL2 almost unplayble.
In fact when I bought my new machine I invested in IL2 PAC fighters only to find out the game was an afterthough. You cannot match any historic performance figures and the engines constantly overheat when running at less than mil power when flying straight and level. It is a unpleasant experiance to say the least.
And oh yes, don't let me forget the stability. In IL2 Oleg Maddox has decided that .50 call machine guns should make the entire aircraft wobble as if the aicraft were suspended by a string from the canopy.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
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Major differences, Customer Service, AH has the best, bar none, any online game ever. Big statement, but HT has made it true. Just email or call, and they'll help.
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Only played flight sims for 2 years, never tried WB...but I can 100% attest to the incredible quality of teh customer service. Prompt response, excellent help even when a computer or setup problem isnt AH's fault.
Designer and network manager post their email address, and write back same day (usually). Designer and programmers go to the arenas regularly, both in character and in shades. They respond to BBS postings, as appropriate (they DO have a business to run, an actual day job....). If you show up at the door, you get a tour and handshakes from the honchos.
And if you find some obscure bit of data that could warrant a rethink of some part of a model, they're open to it -- especially if you're not a jerk about the presentation.
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There you have it! :aok
Give the 2 week trial a go; you'll no doubt get hooked. You may want to consider flying morning hours, eastern time zone at first...the play is still intense with
150 - 200 players and you can get a good feel for the battle without having to deal with hordes in excess of 500+
Good luck and welcome aboard.
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Just a quick pointer from one who made The Transition- don't jump into your WB ride of choice and expect it to fly the same. I had to learn the 109G6 all over again, was frustrating as all heck.
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Ive been in bolth places ...
AH has the best customer service ........... bar none
WB has an evil darkside that makes alot of us shy away from it (its not the player base )" And thats All I have to say about that"
The AH Main arena changes thru out the hours .... late at night is my fav time to fly
(From the witching hour on in Pacific time ) the fights get really good and most of the players are in there joking and having fun ... along with taking the time to help new players get adjusted .
Tune the "all "channel to 200
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Well eh (snofox), the ferrets are very much alive and well, especially in the WWII arena 2 nights a week and in the big Sunday S3's. I usually fly against them (I like being the underdog), the short icons are fun. Thanks for the planeset comparisons.
S3's are excellent! I really admire what those guys do over there. We have the Friday night Squad Operations. Been having 250 players or so lately. It is the most popular event in Aces High.
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Originally posted by tracer
I also fly WB's in a squad I'm pretty attached to, can't picture at this time giving those guys up, we kinda rely on each other. Bottom line is give AH a try, find out for myself, which is what I thought but it never hurts to ask around. Thanks for the good feedback. See ya soon.
tracer
Bring your buds along with you. You can have your squad in here and enjoy this advanced flight sim while doing so. Our squad came over as a group years ago.
Hope this helps. :)
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Once again all our your opinions are much appreciated, especially those of you with recent WB experience. I'd definitely seek out help from the AH training staff, from reading the boards I already have a few in mind. Some of your training videos posted are excellent.
The time and thought that goes into a WB S3 frame is amazing. The targets and timing is laid out by the officers coordinating the frame all week. At the squad level, we usually get our objectives by Friday. This set of 5 frames (5 weeks) is mid WWII, with massive formations of heavy buffs (B17/B24's) taking off from British airfields and rendezvousing at waypoints out over the channel, then heads for targets in France. My squad flies high alt long range sweeps in P38J's with drop tanks (no L's yet) ahead of the bombers to clear out perched 190's/109's, and drive them down. All done with almost no radar help, realistic clouds, and limited short range icons. It's a pretty tense 3 hour frame, we communicate on Teamspeak, (free with WB's). The Axis fliers put in an equal amount of planning and effort to try and stop the bombers - very "12 O'clock High" like at times when it all comes together. We then escort the buffs out of Indian territory where they are picked up by units who were on V1 intercept duty for the ride back to base in 'ol England.
I'm just looking to be a better pilot, and it sounds like there's lots of experience to be gained in both games. Again, your thoughts and viewpoints are greatly appreciated, I should be active in AH soon.
tracer
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Just wait til ya discover what we have here
http://www.ahevents.org/site/ (http://www.ahevents.org/site/)
This is were you can find the down and get your paws wet info on all the AH special events ...scenario's ...squad ops ....Racing.... ect ect Drool drool ...ect
We spend zillions of hours putting in time to try to bring ya the best events to participate in from simple 1 hour (close escort /snapshots) to huge multiframe 3+ hour Scenarios ...
We have Alot of exciting New stuff (currently in our "War Room" getting developed ) thats not even posted in the AHevents pages too .
Whistles quietly and points to sig quote VVVV
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I've downloaded the latest AH2, and I'm now trying to setup the X52 for AH very close to the way I'm used to it. Trying to figure out AH's way of setting things up at the moment. Also pretty busy in real life right now, not much time for this, but making my way in slow but sure.......
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Let us know if we can help. You can find trainers in the Training Arena (TA) pretty much all the time. Or, just send us a message at trainers@flyaceshigh.com if you want to set up a speciffic time. We understand RL time constraints.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Flew WB for 4 years, switched to AH when it came out, never looked back.
Ditto, tried it when it was open beta and stayed a loyal WBer until the 99 con when they showed us demos of WBIII, was also about the time AH went open beta. I have never, even once regretted the switch. AH has it's warts but there simply is no equal anywhere for any price.
You have gotten a lot of good advice, i cannot add much except that I suggest you leave automagic combat trim ON for a while (turn the other autothingies off for sure). I could also add to lower your expectations for yourself for a while. This game has about the steepest learning curve of any game I can name. it is not that the game is that hard, it is the players. The MA is full of stone-cold killers! Seriously, there's plenty of noobie-fodder to be found, but you cannot tell sometimes until it is too late, and you are PWNed by some of the best sticks to ever roam the virtual skies!