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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Guppy35 on May 16, 2006, 05:10:41 PM
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Out mowing the lawn today and thinking about what I'd like to see added to AH and the reasons why I think they’d make sense. Tried to figure on a couple birds for each country. They aren’t uber birds but they’d be fun and good additions to any scenarios that might be run over time.
U.S.
-B25C-Early version with rear fuselage top turret, not rear guns, glass nose. Comparable to the B25B of Doolittle fame and used by the USAAF, USN, USMC, RAF, Russia etc. Covers the RAF 2 Group 43-44 Channel Ops. Covers US Pacific, Aleutians and MTO Ops. Also usable by the Russian folks.
-P39-Yeah I know it's been asked a million times, but in the overall scheme of things it covers an important time frame from Pearl Harbor to 1944. And some of us old AW folks got to be friends with on old MTO P39 pilot who flew that sim with us and for that reason alone a P39 would be fun. But of course the use by the Russians makes it very viable too and in the MA, TAC air war scheme of things its survivability would be much better.
RAF
-Beaufighter-Used in all theaters of the war by RAF, USAAF, RAAF. Good for any number of scenarios and just a tough looking bird with a big punch.
-Wellington-Nice to have an early war Bomber Command twin engine bird.
Luftwaffe
-He111-Used everywhere. Scenario use all over the place from Russia to England to the Med and North Africa
-Me410-Late war twin with a big punch. The cool factor comes into play for the Luftwaffe Junkies.
Japan
-Ki43 Oscar-A big gap filler for the early-mid war timeframe and beyond. Fits for all those Flying Tiger/Rangoon scenario ideas better then the A6M that wasn’t there.
-Ki46 Dinah-Japan needs a good twin engine recce/fighter. Again a bit of the it’s cool factor and potential scenario use.
Russia
-I-16 Mosca-Early war fighter. Lends itself to scenario play and I have to believe there would be lots of the furballer types who’d love to take on the late war birds in it just for kicks. Allows for a potential Spanish Civil War scenario along with the He111, 109E, CR 42 etc.
-Pe-2-A nice fast Russian attack bird to go with the Yaks, LA’s and Sturmi’s.
Italy
-Fiat CR-42 Falco-Early Italian fighter that saw service in the B of B, MTO and Russia if memory serves. Another that would be fun for the guys looking for a challenge against the late war birds. I have visions of FT filled with I-16s and CR-42s turning and burning. Good scenario uses and seems like it would be a lot of fun to try and succeed in it.
-Savoia-Marchetti (SM-79) bomber. Gotta give the Italian’s a bomber to play with. An other good scenario addition whether it be B of B, North Africa or MTO in general.
Finland
Brewster Buffalo-If for no other reason then because the Finnish AH contingent adds so much to the game and I think it gets old filling in FM2s or F4Fs for the Buffalo. Of course it allows for Midway scenario use and RAF or Dutch use in Burma.
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Nice list Dan.
I would only add/change a few things.
Add the G4M2 'Betty' so the Japanese have an early/mid-war bomber.
Add the Ki-44-II-Otsu Shoki 'Tojo' so the Japanese have a richer mid-war fighter set. This is my lowest priority change.
Change the Ki-46 to the Ki-45 as the Ki-46 wasn't armed with more than a tail gun until later in the war, though the Ki-46 at the RAF museum is a truly beautiful aircraft.
Change He111 (though it is needed eventually) to Ju188A-2 as the He111 overlaps the Ju88A-4 to a large degree and we need a mid/late war German bomber. The Ju188 played a large role from 1943 on in regards to German bomber ops.
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I still want my A-Hog. :cry
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you forgot the british swordfish! i cant believe you! the swordfish was a british torpedoe plane (i think) ive flown in one and its amazing
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Originally posted by benytree
you forgot the british swordfish! i cant believe you! the swordfish was a british torpedoe plane (i think) ive flown in one and its amazing
Would rather have the BARRACUDA. :aok
(http://avions.legendaires.free.fr/Images/Gbarracuda.jpg)
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Naaah, swordfish which was used as a torpedo plane to sink the Bismark. We really need a bi-plane that was used in WWII, I think it would be awesome!
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The CR.42 on Dan's list is a biplane.
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What I was trying to do was look at the overall and add evenly for all the countries with stuff that made sense both for MA use and potential scenario use.
There are two open cockpit birds with the 1-16 and CR-42. Throw in the Ki-43 and you've got some real lightweight turners for the furballers and with the twin engined birds and bombers the strat guys get something too.
And the history buffs, of which I am one, get a bit more coverage for the entire wartime era not just the late war uber rides.
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Great job man, don't wanna know how long it took ya to research all that!:aok
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Dan you forgot the plug for the MK XII.
No list can be complete without it.
:D
Bronk
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I know that it would be an MA hangar queen, but (and you know it's coming...) Judy Judy Judy.
With the possible exception of the B7N Grace, I don't think any Carrier Strike plane will see much action in the MA. Yet even accepting that I think the D4Y deserves inclusion so as to give the IJN some teeth in mid war Carrier Duels.
-Sik
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Bumped to get it past all the post-war jet requests from a second account created soley to annoy the forum community.
Would like to see some of the odd birds make it in to the game as well.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I know that it would be an MA hangar queen, but (and you know it's coming...) Judy Judy Judy.
With the possible exception of the B7N Grace, I don't think any Carrier Strike plane will see much action in the MA. Yet even accepting that I think the D4Y deserves inclusion so as to give the IJN some teeth in mid war Carrier Duels.
-Sik
Have the Kate though. Trying to look at it for what would help both the scenario world and the MA or AvA. Seems silly to have to sub a 110 for a Japanese twin and Zekes for Ki 43s vs the Flying Tiger types.
Think in terms of adding to every countries arsenal too. Gotta help everyone and not just by adding whatever "Uber" flavor of the week shows up ala B29, Meteor, F8F etc.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
[I-16 Mosca] (a)llows for a potential Spanish Civil War scenario along with the He111, 109E, CR 42 etc.
-Savoia-Marchetti (SM-79) bomber. Gotta give the Italian’s a bomber to play with. An other good scenario addition whether it be B of B, North Africa or MTO in general. (And SCW)
:D :aok
Ok, Tiff ... I start picketing HTC on my off days now.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Have the Kate though. Trying to look at it for what would help both the scenario world and the MA or AvA. Seems silly to have to sub a 110 for a Japanese twin and Zekes for Ki 43s vs the Flying Tiger types.
Think in terms of adding to every countries arsenal too. Gotta help everyone and not just by adding whatever "Uber" flavor of the week shows up ala B29, Meteor, F8F etc.
Dan,
I'm with you on what and why you're requesting the planes that you're requesting. But the Kate just isn't a viable strike plane for anything after 1942. Having to rely on the 110 and Zekes as substitutes isn't optimal, or even good, but on the other hand, there are subs that work. There isn't a sub that can fill in for a Japanese mid war CV strike plane.
So it really just comes down to personal preference. I'm more interested in the CV duels, while you're more into the Army Side of things. I should also point out my Bias as a former CAP CM, who found that the two most glaring weaknesses in the IJN planeset (From that event's perspective) were the lack of a mid war "E" fighter, and the lack of a Mid war Strike plane).
The D4Y is far from Uber and in fact would be a hangar queen in the MA (I know I confused the point by talking about the Grace). In fact, the only Uberplane I think I've ever really argued for inclusion was the Yak-9UT (I can't help it, I love the elephant gun).
However, using your parameters, my list would look like this:
US: P-39 (great for USSR as well). TBD Devistator (Let the U.S. Feel the love of that POS in early scenarios and events).
Japan: Ki-44 Tojo or J2M (Show me the Shokie!), D4Y (zoom zoom).
Germany: Dornier Do-217 (A good mix of speed and payload, If we were just going by scneario/event use, I'd definately go with the He-111) Me-410 (hey, twins are cool). Bonus: Ju-87G (elephant guns!)
Great Brittian: Beaufighter, Swordfish (though I'm not a big bipe guy, I am a total Navy dork).
Soviet Union: Mig-3 (a total handfull to fly by most reports, but with some speed and rare high-alt numbers for a Russian bird). Pe-2 (works for me). Bonus: Il-2M3 (elehphant guns!)
Italy: Reggiane Re 2000 series (I don't care which one, I just like the P-35 connection lol). S.M. 79 (gives them a bomber).
Austrailia: Commonwealth Boomerang. C'mon, it would just be fun.
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Some great views of restored Russian I birds at Waneka.
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/i16wanakabg_1.htm
(http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/i16refbg_1.jpg)
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The I-16 would be nice, but the MiG-3 is a far more important plane. Thousands more were built, it was instrumental in the air defense of Moscow (with great success at high altitudes against German 109's), and a lot were used on the front lines (though mostly by pilots of low skill who didn't know how to fly it).
The MiG-3, like the Corsairs and Thunderbolts, is purely a high-altitude fighter/interceptor. When used down low, it's not nearly as effective as it can be; however, it's still very nimble (though it's prone to stalls).
It's one of those high risk/high reward planes that's a lot of fun to fly once you get the hang of it. And honestly, how cool would a squadron of MiG-3's meeting a squadron of 109F-4's at 20,000+ be?
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Erm, many, many, many more I-16s were built than MiG-3s. The MiG-3 was a comparatively rare VVS fighter as I recall.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Some great views of restored Russian I birds at Waneka.
http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/i16wanakabg_1.htm
(http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/images/i16refbg_1.jpg)
that is a sexy plane:cool:
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Nice Guppy!
So far the best wishlist I've seen.:aok
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Originally posted by Fruda
The I-16 would be nice, but the MiG-3 is a far more important plane. Thousands more were built, it was instrumental in the air defense of Moscow (with great success at high altitudes against German 109's), and a lot were used on the front lines (though mostly by pilots of low skill who didn't know how to fly it).
Yes, but they performed so poorly anywhere BUT up at high altitudes that they were limited to high-alt recon after Moscow. From Ospreys "Russian Aces" book:
The final days of the MiG-3 era found the 402.IAP attacking the enemy bridgehead over the Taman peninsula in early 1942
Even the much-maligned LaGG-3 series (supposedly, though doubtfully, nicknamed the "Lakirovannyi Garantiroannyi Grob", or "Guaranteed Varnished Coffin") had a much better combat record than the Mig-3. And it lent itself to the modifications which would lead to the highly succesful La5, La5F, La5FN, and La7 series. The MiG was a dead end.
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I-211 was a pretty good plane according to what little i've read about it, but the soviets weren't into producing redundant designs. Same reason the later Sukhoi attack plane never got into production
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Guppy´s list + Karnak´s list + Yak7, Mig3, LaGG3 for Russia + J2M for Japan
that list would mean that we can cover basicly any theatre and that we have a planeset that is competetive with virtually any game out there...
Tex
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We must have the Henschel Hs 129 the greatest anti tank aircraft in world war 2