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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hangtime on May 17, 2006, 01:58:23 PM
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Holy crap... If I see one more documentary debunking the DaVinci Code I'm gonna go see the movie and tell everybody 'it's all true'.
I don't think I've seen so many millions spent on 'informative' propaganda regarding the entire fictional premise; EVER. History Channel, Discovery Channel, mainstream media and networks... why on earth is the church so terrified that a fiction novel, now a movie, is a threat to the church?
It's FICTION, fer crissakes... we GET it, now fer cripes sakes shaddap and enjoy the movie.
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The Church (Roman Catholic) is seeing some of its members who does not know their faith very well, start to believe it is true and not fictional. The bishops have asked there communities not to see this falsehood on Christ's life. I will not waste anymore time on this garbage, and I have changed my views on Tom Hanks and Ron Howard.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
... why on earth is the church so terrified that a fiction novel, now a movie, is a threat to the church?
No threat, its all about money ;)
that trial in England about whether or not Brown plagurized another book when writting the DaVinci Code was the best advertising a movie good hope for
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it's a bad bad thing to show Jesus as a family man with kids, bad bad.
how can you expect the priests to stay celibate with stuff like that going around.
all the Christians will lose their faith if Jesus was not a virgin.
thank god i'm a pagan.
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The History Channel and Discovery Channel are not owned, operated, or likely even influenced by the "church". Most people I know aren't "shrieking" about anything. You wanna hear some shrieking now write something similar about Islam. I don't think there were even any newspapers in the US that had the nerve reprint that cartoon from Europe? I'm betting no one here has the nerve to post it in this forum either.
The History and Discovery channels have jumped on this because the book and now movie have implied this story is the truth. Many people are fascinated and interested in the story.
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Originally posted by BTAirsol
The Church (Roman Catholic) is seeing some of its members who does not know their faith very well, start to believe it is true and not fictional. The bishops have asked there communities not to see this falsehood on Christ's life. I will not waste anymore time on this garbage, and I have changed my views on Tom Hanks and Ron Howard.
I recall the Pope saying Mel Gibson's movie was "the truth". The church has no problem with making silly remarks like that...but they get all defensive about the DaVinci code?
Bizarre.
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Originally posted by Curval
I recall the Pope saying Mel Gibson's movie was "the truth". The church has no problem with making silly remarks like that...but they get all defensive about the DaVinci code?
Bizarre.
IIRC, the pope was quoted as saying "that's how it was" after watching the movie. However, I think when questioned about that later he declined to and denied making any comment regarding the movie's authenticity.
It's amazing what a google search can turn up. Where the hell was the ACLU on this one? http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/14/152912.shtml
It's not the destination but the tangent that counts. ;)
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I thought most everyone knew DaVinci wrote in mirror image... How did they make a movie about that?
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John9001 my reply to your statement is from your name: Gospel John Chapter 9 verse 001: "As he past by he saw a man blind from birth"
My take to this:
Forgive them Father for they know not what they are doing (saying)
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Originally posted by john9001
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thank god i'm a pagan. [/B]
Dont ya mean Gods :D
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It opens in just a couple days...I can't wait to get in and see what all the hubbubb is about.
I have great respect for Ron Howard (who directed one of the best movies I have ever seen -- A Beautiful Mind -- ) and who doesn't love Tom Hanks?
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The book was OK, ending left me a little flat, but overall it was good. I'll go see this movie in the theater.... mainly because I got 2 free passes and this looks like the best thing for a while.
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Originally posted by BTAirsol
The Church (Roman Catholic) is seeing some of its members who does not know their faith very well, start to believe it is true and not fictional. The bishops have asked there communities not to see this falsehood on Christ's life. I will not waste anymore time on this garbage, and I have changed my views on Tom Hanks and Ron Howard.
like someone mentioned in another thread, christians often don't do so hot when it comes time to follow the written directions. ;)
why on earth would a christian, in good faith, condem an actor or a director for making a movie that is entertanment.. a thriller. No one.. the author, director, actors or producer is claiming the movie is gospel.
No true christian of faith could possibly have his faith challenged by an entertainment... is your faith so fragile that it is challenged by a mere fictional book or movie? WTF?
Religious Intolerance seems to know no bounds.
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Hang, yes there are those that believe what they see on the screen. It is sad that this happens, that is why the bishops have asked their community to know the truth and not be led astrey.
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Your guide to the documentaries/hype:
Opus Dei: "O my God! Don't Believe this". These guys have a record of engaging in heavy media campaigns, especially to protect their own image. They want you to believe they're not scary.
History Channel: Someone's gotta show the documentary that will be bundled in the deluxe 3-dvd edition. Content's gotta come from somewhere.
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Ha....my mom called me up the other day asking if i wanted to committ blasphemy with her. Apparently our local catholic priest insisted we are committing blasphemy if we go see this movie. As someone pointed out in the mass, its FICTION.
And besides, if they devouted this amount of energy to prosecute pedophile priests as they do telling us what movies we can and cant watch, they wouldnt have any problems.
So pass the popcorn...we're gonna go see it.
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Originally posted by BTAirsol
Hang, yes there are those that believe what they see on the screen. It is sad that this happens, that is why the bishops have asked their community to know the truth and not be led astrey.
It is amazing that so many are happy to watch something like Howard's "Pearl Harbor" that they know is false (based mostly on books they've read that are not nearly as well known as the Bible) and are not swayed in the least in their knowledge of the facts. I suggest that the Catholic church (of which I am a former member) is less secure in its membership than most history clubs are in theirs.
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It is hilarious. I cannot believe anyone is actually taking the book/movie this seriously. OMG! It just occurred to me! Someone is going to create a religion around all this. I bet Tom Cruise would fund it!!
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
It is hilarious. I cannot believe anyone is actually taking the book/movie this seriously. OMG! It just occurred to me! Someone is going to create a religion around all this. I bet Tom Cruise would fund it!!
lmao ... Id Zink Mel Gibson would be my vote :D
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Originally posted by lukster
IIRC, the pope was quoted as saying "that's how it was" after watching the movie. However, I think when questioned about that later he declined to and denied making any comment regarding the movie's authenticity.
So he lied. Nice.
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its all a conspiracy and puplicity stunt. The studio made a secret deal with the Pope, and the Catholic church gets a percentage of the ticket sales.
Two months from now it'll be "DaVinci who?" :lol
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I seem to remember that some (not here) belived that Blair Witch Project was a documentary too..
Would have been cool tho
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Originally posted by Curval
So he lied. Nice.
Maybe you didn't understand what I wrote. I said he was quoted as having said "that's how it was". Very presumptive to assume the quoter was telling the truth or accurate.
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Imagine how much more $$ they gonna make because of all the free publicity from catholic church.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
why on earth is the church so terrified that a fiction novel, now a movie, is a threat to the church?
The Church is not threated. It does like the truth to be told.
hap
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Originally posted by john9001
it's a bad bad thing to show Jesus as a family man with kids
no. it's a bad thing to lie.
hap
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Originally posted by Curval
I recall the Pope saying Mel Gibson's movie was "the truth". The church has no problem with making silly remarks like that
i saw the Passion of Christ. What part was a lie?
hap
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Originally posted by Hangtime
why on earth would a christian, in good faith, condem an actor or a director for making a movie that is entertanment.. a thriller. No one.. the author, director, actors or producer is claiming the movie is gospel.
never forget, the church is made up of sinners.
as far as claiming to be true, that's the beef some have and that's due to Dan Brown's claims in the book.
hap
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Originally posted by Dinger
Your guide to the documentaries/hype:
Opus Dei: "O my God! Don't Believe this". These guys have a record of engaging in heavy media campaigns, especially to protect their own image. They want you to believe they're not scary.
What is Opus Dei? http://www.opusdei.us/sec.php?s=8
looks like good people to me.
hap
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Originally posted by LePaul
And besides, if they devouted this amount of energy to prosecute pedophile priests as they do telling us what movies we can and cant watch, they wouldnt have any problems.
You are right.
It is now apparent that the bishops as a body, meaning the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), were incapable of doing what the National Review Board has done. It is inconceivable that the bishops and bureaucracy of the USCCB could have produced the forthright analysis and program of reform that the NRB issued in Washington on Friday, February 27. The NRB has done what the bishops should have done. The report is a great gift to the bishops and to the Church. Now the question is whether the bishops are capable of receiving the report, and acting on it. If not—and the initial responses are not encouraging—they will, as the report suggests, further undermine the confidence of the Catholic faithful in the authority, competence, and moral integrity of their leaders. That is the “Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States.” The report leaves no doubt that clerical sex abuse opened a window, exposing to sight a much larger reality of nonfeasance and malfeasance in the leadership of the Church.
hap
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Hap wrote;
The Church is not threated. It does like the truth to be told.
http://ncronline.org/NCR_Online/archives/031403/031403i.htm
Under penalty of excommunication or suspension, a Pennsylvania bishop imposed a gag order for all his priests, forbidding them from voicing public disagreement with diocesan policy.
The priests said that Adamec imposed the order after priests were publicly critical about possible church closings and about the way the diocese handled a 1994 sexual abuse lawsuit. In that suit, Adamec was criticized for paying more in attorney fees than to the victim of abuse by now-defrocked priest Francis Luddy. The diocese refused the paper’s request for comment on the gag order.
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ny-ny/Egan-Pre-2002.htm
Now that the case has hit the public square, it is expected that church lawyers will move to have a gag order issued.
http://ln-s.net/A3-
The Roman Catholic Diocese of Burlington said Judge Ben Joseph's decision to remove a gag order involving church paperwork in a recently settled case make it difficult for the church to have a fair trial.
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http://ln-s.net/A3:
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The faults of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops are grave. They are, in cases, beyond comprehension.
The only suitable resonse for the sex scandal would be mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxiums culpa.
hap
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People are sensitive about any "perceived" denigration of their faith.
In this case, the problem may be the perception that the "Da Vinci Code" is not truth masquerading as fiction, but is fiction masquerading as truth.
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wow
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Shuckins wrote;
In this case, the problem may be the perception that the "Da Vinci Code" is not truth masquerading as fiction, but is fiction masquerading as truth.
When, it is like all good fiction, fiction sprinkled with fact.
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Originally posted by Hap
What is Opus Dei? http://www.opusdei.us/sec.php?s=8
looks like good people to me.
hap
The Opus organization is a sectarian and mafia-like fundamentalist movement.
My closest experience with it is that two of my coworkers at my latest job were know to be in the Opus and while they failed to show up most days and I never saw them actually do anything work related in three full years they were never warned, disciplined or fired. One day, while they had officially been given extra vacation so they could go to Rome for a couple of months when the late Pope died, the middle managers were called upon this situation in a meeting with the staff and they just mumbled that it wasn't the place or time to talk about that.
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Ponder on this.
What if Jesus actually had an heir. How does that become bad?
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What I've been told by those who read the book, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is the basic premise of the book is that Jesus did not die on the cross, but went on to sire a family.
This assaults the basic fact of any Christian faith, that Jesus died for all our sins and was ressurected.
There is no equivelant that can be expressed for any other major religion, since there is no Messiah in Islam, Judiasm, others. The best equivelant for Islam would be to write a book and make a movie showing that Mohammed was not a prophet, but was rather a crazed, violent pedophile. Imagine the outrage THAT would provoke.
Oh wait....
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"I been up, I been down.
Take my word, my way around.
I aint askin for much.
I said, lord, take me downtown,
Im just lookin for some tush.
I been bad, I been good,
Dallas, texas, hollywood.
I aint askin for much.
I said, lord, take me downtown,
Im just lookin for some tush.
Take me back way back home,
Not by myself, not alone.
I aint askin for much.
I said, lord, take me downtown,
Im just lookin for some tush."
- frank beard, bill gibbons & dusty hill (ZZ Top)
Muhahahahaa
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yah got me, Angus.
I havent a freakin clue.
This is approaching the stupidity of the cartoon prophet horror show.
more evidence cultists and religionists should have their voting rights revoked.
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I guess i'm just a simpleton, but I figured this work of fiction was just meant to be enjoyed. I was just gonna watch it, be entertained (hopefully), and then get back to reality. Aww, what the hell, I'm gonna go ahead and still do that anyhow. Still, it leaves me wondering...was I sleeping when those aliens from ID4 attacked, or has that yet to happen?
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Originally posted by Shaky
What I've been told by those who read the book, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is the basic premise of the book is that Jesus did not die on the cross, but went on to sire a family.
This assaults the basic fact of any Christian faith, that Jesus died for all our sins and was ressurected.
There is no equivelant that can be expressed for any other major religion, since there is no Messiah in Islam, Judiasm, others. The best equivelant for Islam would be to write a book and make a movie showing that Mohammed was not a prophet, but was rather a crazed, violent pedophile. Imagine the outrage THAT would provoke.
Oh wait....
You may stand corrected.
The premise is that after Christ took one for the gipper, his common law wife; pregnant, esacaped and evaded to egypt and from there; to france. The 'grail secret' is the record of christs blood line.
...and the whole thing is just a fiction; based on fictious events, with fictional key players and suppositions, all thoroughy debunked by scholars and historians outside the church, and even more vehmently, by theologians inside the church.
But, the truth is not enough... the catholic church is acting like it's holy water suppy is threatened.
It's nuts!
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Not that I believe anything in the Davici Code..but HMMMMM..the church worried? What is it really trying to hide?
Though I believe I am a Christain..I have some doubts about some things..especially when all our translations of the scriptures come from groups that have been tied to politics like the Catholic church. What was edited or added in? Thats what I want to know.
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Shaky wrote;
What I've been told by those who read the book, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, is the basic premise of the book is that Jesus did not die on the cross, but went on to sire a family.
I've read the book. It's a mystery/thriller, and it is very good.
Jesus' marriage and procreation is just a plot construct. I don't recall the book claiming that he did this after he was crucified or before. Regardless, the crucifiction a very minor part of the plot, compared to the claim that he had children.
More to the point, and probably a greater source of the churches' ire, is that older religions were co-opted and suppressed by the Roman church. This is actually a historical fact, but apparently one of which Rome isn't proud.
This assaults the basic fact of any Christian faith, that Jesus died for all our sins and was ressurected.
Do you need to believe in Jedi Knights to enjoy Star Wars movies? The suspension of disbelief is a necessary part of enjoying fiction.
There is no equivelant that can be expressed for any other major religion, since there is no Messiah in Islam, Judiasm, others. The best equivelant for Islam would be to write a book and make a movie showing that Mohammed was not a prophet, but was rather a crazed, violent pedophile. Imagine the outrage THAT would provoke.
I fail to see the parallel between a husband and father, and a "crazed, violent pedophile".
It makes as much sense as protesting a book you haven't read or a movie you haven't seen....
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I did not say I was actively protesting it :p Much ado about nothing, I'd think.
As was mentioned by others, this is a work of fiction. Being a free man, in a free country, I have no problems with a work of fiction being released.
Being a free man, in a free counrty, I also have no problems with people expressing their opinion on the subject.
Oh, and regarding Mo....was he crazed? Well...sanity is often an opinion, so I'll leave that to the student to decide.
Was he violent? Most assuredly yes.
Was he a pedo? Again, the record speaks for itself.
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The Hot Zone was full of crap too
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Hap, I'll give you this:
Opus Dei is the only organization I've seen that's brought apostate Catholics back into the fold. When the bishop's Opus Dei, all the baptised atheists and secular humanists have to do what they can to support the non-Borg priests.
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Originally posted by Dinger
Hap, I'll give you this:
Opus Dei is the only organization I've seen that's brought apostate Catholics back into the fold. When the bishop's Opus Dei, all the baptised atheists and secular humanists have to do what they can to support the non-Borg priests.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
"non borg priests"
I wonder if we'll ever find out the stuff the mufuti mafia have pulled off? The church's own mission incarnate force.
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(http://sperone.free.fr/images/extraz/PICS6/biblewarninglabel.jpg)
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Funny thing to me is I thought exactly of that image when I first heard about God & Co, around 6 or 7 years old.
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it is very strange that a similar movie about Islam would cause riots, death & destruction around the world ....
now tell me again how all religions are the same?, you know, an opiate for the masses??
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Ah...school appears to be out for the summer, for some of you have no class.
Seriously guys, you're gonna have to trot out a newer argument than your standard "You believe in a fairy tale so I must be smarter than you" line. That one's getting pretty stale. In various forms you use it in nearly every thread, and with nearly every subject.
It also proves the point that you're not really atheists for, evidently, you worship yourselves.
Bye-the-bye, remember all those times yo mama told you how smart you were?
Well...she LIED.
Mothers are like that. Yes they are.
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
(http://sperone.free.fr/images/extraz/PICS6/biblewarninglabel.jpg)
:huh Despite the eye catching presentation, I love the holy scriptures.
hap
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Every few years a movie that has something to do with Christianity causes a big hugabaloo....Passion of the Christ, now Da Vinci, and unfortuntaley, every time we have to listen to all the extremists on both sides freak out about it and make fools of themselves.
I too am "Da Vinci saturated", I wish they would all STFU already. If they dont want to see the film, dont. If they do, go ahead.
...and next week....
Worship as you please, in your own way. The sun will rise in the morning.
Btw, Ben Hur, that was all real right?
And whats this about Blair Witch not being a real doc? thats a releif, I was so worried about those kids. ;)
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Ponder on this.
What if Jesus actually had an heir. How does that become bad?
It is bad because father god screwed that Maria virgin. His son doing the same to another Maria (he must have been living in south america with all these Marias), only that one was far from a virgin. (what was the holy ghost doing at that time?... I can only imagine)
If He had a son, the Churche would have to explain what happened to him. It can't, or at least couldn't back then whe it was formed and they knew that would lead to hundreds of people claiming they are decendents from Jesus. In a couple of generations that would be thousands of people, All of which will fight the bishops for the leadership.
It was far easier (and in accordance with the forming cristian religion) to avoid this difficulty altogether. If he had a son they should have killed him to avoid this.
Bozon
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Originally posted by Angus
Ponder on this.
What if Jesus actually had an heir. How does that become bad?
I didnt realize this was that big of an issue. All the pictures i've seen he has lots of hair, kinda long maybe, could use a haircut those damn hippies
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Originally posted by Shaky
and someone correct me if I'm wrong,
Shaky, on this BBS (or anyother) you really dont have to ask, people are real good about correcting things. ;) If you're wrong they'll let ya know
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This is why I just worship my body. It makes life so much easier.
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Originally posted by BTAirsol
Hang, yes there are those that believe what they see on the screen. It is sad that this happens, that is why the bishops have asked their community to know the truth and not be led astrey.
i hope your not gonna suggest that Vader wasnt really lukes father....I dont think i could handle that!!
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It is kinda funny how many people in here hate Ron Howard for messing with the George Welch story, or Hate the movie U-571, or hate "We Were Soldiers" cause the ending was wrong... the list goes on..... suspend your beliefs people... suspend your beliefs.
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The Catholic Church speaks(http://adamnieman.co.uk/posters/father_ted.jpg)
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
(http://sperone.free.fr/images/extraz/PICS6/biblewarninglabel.jpg)
hahahahaha love it
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With as many secrets the catholic chuch has in its closet you wonder why they are nervous. Or any other religion for that matter. Dont toss rocks in a glass house dont ya know and all that rot.:noid
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
i hope your not gonna suggest that Vader wasnt really lukes father....I dont think i could handle that!!
That is not possible. However it has been proven that Padme was really Anakins aunt.
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The Church should very well be worried. I saw a show the other night on HBO that made a very good point. History is pop culture.
Why is Paul Revere a national hero? Longfellow wrote a poem about him, and Longfellow happens to be one of the best known American authors.. uh... ever... but why not a gentleman by the name of Israel? His ride to warn the colonists was 15 times longer than Revere's. The whole problem being, the midnight ride of Paul Revere sounds alot better in a poem. So eventually, it weaves its way into the history of our nation.
I could easily see the same things happening to religion, especially since it's open to alot of interpretation.
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Back to my worshiping of Zeppelin (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=zeppelin&page=4&lv=0&so=0)
Muhahahahaa :D
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I'll watch the Davainci code, and I'll enjoy it, why? Because I can.
Say what you want about a sombody attacking your religion if you want to, all your doing is proveing to me how much faith you actually have in your religion.
ITS A MOVIE, ITS A SCIFI MOVIE, GE OVER IT!, in about a year it'll be on the scifi channel at 9pm on a wednsday night. right after stargate sg1.
Anybody feeling like their religion is being attacked by a scifi movie really needs to get a grip.
I have been putting up with this caca on teh news for 3 days now and I'm over it.
( done venting now)
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
(http://sperone.free.fr/images/extraz/PICS6/biblewarninglabel.jpg)
Bet you ain't got the kahones to slap that label on the koran and repost?
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Originally posted by lukster
Bet you ain't got the kahones to slap that label on the koran and repost?
AFAIK, the koran is not in the same leauge with regards to the disclaimers.
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Originally posted by indy007
The Church should very well be worried. I saw a show the other night on HBO that made a very good point. History is pop culture.
Why is Paul Revere a national hero? Longfellow wrote a poem about him, and Longfellow happens to be one of the best known American authors.. uh... ever... but why not a gentleman by the name of Israel? His ride to warn the colonists was 15 times longer than Revere's. The whole problem being, the midnight ride of Paul Revere sounds alot better in a poem. So eventually, it weaves its way into the history of our nation.
I could easily see the same things happening to religion, especially since it's open to alot of interpretation.
Bingo - we have a winner.
You are exactly right. Most of The United States of America history has so much to do with appearances. Seems we didn't escape our roots as much as we thought. We're still a bunch of prudes putting on airs and that's the painful truth of it. The only difference between the USA and Europe is the business model. And that's another painful truth.
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Wanna bet ....?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/301_1148015445_koranwarning.jpg)
Muhahahahaaa :O
Now shall I hit up my book of "Morals and Dogma of Freemasonry " Too ???
and perhaps my issue of Ewe monthly and Biggins .... :D
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Not quite the same Roscoroo. You're label on the Koran is not even half as derisive. Still, I'll give ya some credit. Be curious to see how long it stays there. Maybe I'll link it to some "other" forum.
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I was getting low on bait ..
Can borrow a cup of worms :D
All i have to say is Most Religions have killed more people over meaningless stuff then all the ww's ...
I wont get into a religious argument (as for everyones free to believe what they want to) but I can shure enjoy poking fun at them :rofl
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A movie (fiction) based on a book (fiction) contradicting another book (fiction) which contents are accidently basis for some religion (fiction). Let's try and have a factual discussion about it all... Yawn
If you need something to worry about do so about the total lack of chemistry between the main characters in said movie, that's a reason for concern...
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
All i have to say is Most Religions have killed more people over meaningless stuff then all the ww's ...
Got the facts wrong Roscoroo. Should you want to verify what I say, the book "Unspeakable : Facing Up to Evil in an Age of Genocide and Terror" by Os Guiness is an excellent starting point.
As a child, he lived in China at the outbreak of WW2 in the pacific. A bright guy who writes in an even tone. Tells the truth.
hap
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well.... there are some religions who would still slaughter people by the score over a movie that made fun of their religion.
The christians grew out of that but some others still live in the dark ages.
lazs
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
I wont get into a religious argument (as for everyones free to believe what they want to) but I can shure enjoy poking fun at them :rofl
AMEN :aok
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Sorry, Had to fish it out of the toilet first..but here it is with the label..too bad you can't read it
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c224/daveman123/Quran.jpg)
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When is the Gospel of Judas going to be put in the New Testament? Would say never, as it gives an alternate history to that in Matthew, Luke, John and Mark. Reeks of censorship by the Church.
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Originally posted by Thud
If you need something to worry about do so about the total lack of chemistry between the main characters in said movie, that's a reason for concern...
not to mention i could have walked out at the hour mark, and still known how it ended.