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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on May 18, 2006, 09:25:36 AM
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Just thought I'd start a more interesting thread for some of us Gun nuts.
K98 Mauser 1944 (Yugo Capture)
91/30 M/N 1942
Nagant Revolver 1944
Steyr M.95 1918
Reproduction .58 cal Springfield rifle 1861
and soon,
Semi-Auto PPSH-41
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9 iron
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Year supply of burritos a bic lighter and a sign that says "Pull my finger".
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lessee here...off the top of my head...
BOLT ACTIONS:
Custom with Mauser-K98 action in 6mm Rem
Weatherby MkV in .30-06
Winchester Model 70 in .300WinMag
1906 Springfeild (remanufactured by SA)
SEMI-AUTO-RIFLE:
4 @ AR15s in various configs (5.56/7.62X39/7.62 NATO)
Norinko SKS with detach and folder
3 @ .22LRs Ruger/Remington/Winchester
M22 clone from Springfield Armory
Winchester 351 (look that one up :D)
LEVER-RIFLE:
Winchester '94 in .30-30
Winchester .22LR
HANDGUNS:
Colt .44 Walker Dragoon
Desert Eagle in .357
Smith&Wesson 4" in .357
Ruger GP100 6" in .357
Glock 9mm
Glock 10mm
Walther P38 (with the dirty bird)
Smith&Wesson 959 (I think that's the model, I hate it but it was my Dad's)
Undisclosed amount of ammo stashed underground in multiple undisclosed locations in weatherproof containers for when the SHTF.
You gun-nuts frighten me!
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Springfield Armory XD .45 ACP
Springfield Armory M1 Garand
Springfield Armory M1 Carbine
Springfield Armory M1903
Thompson M1928 .45 sub-machine gun
Mauser Karbiner M1898
Mosin Nagant 91/30 M/N
Type 99 rifle
Remington Model 870 12-gauge shotgun
Remington Model 870 Wingmaster 20-gauge shotgun
Remington Model 1187 SCS 12-gauge shotgun
Colt M1911 .45 pistol
Walther P38 9mm pistol
Luger P08 9mm pistol
Tolkarev TT33 pistol
To name a few.
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Kimber UltraCarry II .40 Cal :aok It makes purdy holes :rofl
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Just want to know where you guys live and when your going on your next vacation??also need your addresses:lol J/K
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A pointy stick.
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Taurus PT-99 9mm
Remington 12 gauge
unknown brand 4-10 & .22 (inherited.. older than I am)
A pair of handmade knives (inherited.. again, they're older than I am)
A diver's combat knife (a gift from the HMS Battleaxe crew)
A Shinai
A Bokken
A practice Epee (french grip)
Another practice Epee (pistol grip)
Also have a Taurus 85B3 (just a small 5rd revolver in .38) set aside for my g/f's birthday, and I've been drooling over a new Kimber .45 for awhile... just can't quite justify it... yet. :t
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hows that XD .45?? I want one ...they look real nice
heres a few rifles
the first one is a belt fed 9 mm: )
Click here to watch blast1-59 (http://media.putfile.com/blast1-59)
Click here to watch loose-77 (http://media.putfile.com/loose-77)
Click here to watch sks-50 (http://media.putfile.com/sks-50)
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Guess I need to move to TX..
:aok
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Originally posted by Curval
9 iron
LOL
Carbon shaft?
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I would use Weapons of mass Destruction:
(http://www.bestoday.com.au/albums/Funny-and-Interesting/WeaponsofMassDestruction_1.thumb.jpg)
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My arsenal will be back in Cali again but the 16 of June!
I cant wait to get my guns back here!
:D
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Originally posted by LePaul
LOL
Carbon shaft?
That's actually the current most popular choice amongst Amtguard (LARP) fighters. Originally, PVC piping was the core of their swords, but carbon fibre golf club shafts proved the best alternative... much more speed. Don't know if it's been changed, got invited to 1 event, and then asked not to come back... didn't miss it. It's a very neutered version of SCA heavy fighting (where broken bones aren't uncommon) whos "swords" are heavier than baseball bats... best comparison I can think of would be ww2 reenactors switching to simunitions instead of blanks.
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Daisy 880S
Crosman Pumpmaster
Taurus 6MM airsoft
:aok
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Bolties..
Finn m-39 with 4x scope. insanely accurate. (7.62x54) 1941 sako rework, 1896 Mosin receiver and bolt. it's been killin commies fer over 100 years.
Ishapore .308 Enfield 2A, clipped barrel, jungle carbine pattern, scoped 6x. Fastest boltie I've ever seen. 12 round mags.
And, another, just like the above with a sporter stock and an 8x scope. I like Enfields. ;)
1918 spanish mauser in .308 Small ring - carbine length. Beautiful weapon, nice sights. Accurate; shoulders quick. Great offhand shooter. My only boltie without a scope.
m-38 Russian Carbine, 7.62x54. korean war bringback; has a glorious history. My son in law got it for Xmas. Put a 'scout' scope on it this past x-mas. Good shooter, just the right size fer my runt son-in-law.
Semi's
1 russian SKS, 1 yugo (daughters) and a Chinese 'para'.. fun guns. The Russian is accurate.. the other two make the approrpriate noises. Fun to play with, excellent semi-auto 'trainers' for newbies.
STG-58C (FN-FAL) very nicely worked up and accurized. Scoped with a DSA mount and 4-8x Mil scope. upgraded iorn sights. Israli forward assist. 30ea 20 round mags and 3,000 + rounds of ammo. Gorgeous black walnut stock... a superb battle rife in .308
and, my new pride and joy, an M1, USN clone; unissued .308 barrel. NM sights, new CMP stock, August 1943 Springfield CMP receiver. Built this from parts. Stock has not been bedded yet. The finest thing I've ever held.. shoots as good off the NM sights as my enfields do off the scopes. I get better with it every time I take it out. No other rifle I've held; not even the FAL, gives me the same degree of confidence. Seems like we were destined for each other. I can't find a single thing I'm less than thrilled with about this rifle. Everyone should have one.
handguns..
No comment. they're illegal around here. ;)
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1984 Ruger Red Hawk 44mag SS 7 1/2" barrel
1979 Colt Pythone 357 mag 6" Blue Steel. 6 1/4 lb double action trigger pull and 4 1/2 lb single action.
1976 Ruger single six 22 cal/22 mag cylinder
25cal auto Sterling
1982 12g Remington 870 wing master 3" mag, full & mod barrels
1979 Ruger 10/22 rifle w/10rd & 25 rd banana clip
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Here is my arsenal. Not nearly as impressive as some
1. Remington Sportsman 78 .30-06 bolt action (shoots dime size groups at 100 yards :D )
2. Remington .308 semi-auto (can't remember model offhand)
3. Winchester .401 SLR
4. Winchester .38-55 (lever action with battle sights :D )
5. (2) bolt action .410 shotguns (ordered from a sears catalog in '60's)
6. Remington 12 gage double barrel shotgun (break action with hammers)
7. Remington 20 gage shotgun (break action with hammer)
8. Pieces of a old, single action revolver (have the frame and cylinder). This one is a mystery piece. I believe it to be a .32 caliber with a 5-shot (not 6) cylinder. It has an engraving of a bucking bronco and a rider engraved on the frame, just below the hammer and an octagonal barrel and has been in my family for a LONG time. I believe that the cylinder actually come out of the frame to load.
9. Various .22 rifiles (semi and bolt action)
10. .44 black powder pistol (fun to shoot, horrible to clean)
I think that's it. I would love to add an springfield M1A (something good out to 600-800 yards) and an M1 Garand . Someday
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Bolt action Rifles:
(2) Mosin Nagant M44's (one original with all parts and ammo pouch for belt, other in synthetic stock)
(1) Mosin Nagant M38
(1) Remington M91 (WWII copy of the Mosin Nagant M91/30 made by Remington)
(1) Remington M1917 (on its way, just bought it online)
(1) Springfield M1903
Semi-Auto Rifles:
(1) H&R M1
(1) Ruger 10/22
Lever-Action Rifles:
(2) M1894 Winchesters (1) .30-30, (1) .45LC
(1) Henry .22
(1) Ithaca .22 single shot
Shotguns:
(1) SxS Baikal 12 ga.
(1) Mossberg pump riot gun 12 ga. (extended mag tube, holds 8 rounds)
(1) Remington Wingmaster 20 ga. (my first gun, extra long barrel for goose and duck hunting)
Handguns:
(3) Remington M1858 Cap & Ball .44's, (2) with conversion cylinders to shoot .45LC
(1) Colt M1851 Navy Cap & Ball .36 cal. brass frame (engraved).
(1) Colt M1851 Navy Mason & Richards conversion to .38 Colt cal.
(1) M1860 Griswold & Gunnison .36 Cap & Ball
(2) Model 3 Iver Johnson Break-Top .32 cal. 5-shot revolvers (pocket pistols) (1) hammerless, (1) with hammer, both nickel plated.
(1) Iver Johnson .22 Target model 8 shot revolver.
(1) Rossi/Taurus .357
(1) Norinco 1911A1 .45ACP
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Winchester Model 70 300 Magnum
Winchester Model 70 30-06
Marlin 336C 30-30
Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt
Dan Wesson 44HV 44 Magnum
Colt Agent 38 Special
Winchester Model 190 22
Winchester Model 290 22
Knight Wolverine 50
PSE Phaser II
Model 670A Winchester, to be re-barreled to my own wildcat .270 Magnum.
In the market for a few others.
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you bastards better have all those safely secured
kills me to see folks with rifles behind doors..ect..
Hangtime..Im seriously thinking of parting with one of my battle rifles for a socom16
really really want one I think..havent got to shoot one yet...1,500 to 2,000$ not cheap...i dont think i would mind a used one
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
hows that XD .45?? I want one ...they look real nice
Shoots well and it's a breeze to clean. The ramp will accept hollow-points and jacketed rounds with ease. I've put about a thousand rounds through it and it's not jammed once. Great little handgun. :D
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Winchester Model 70, 7 MAG......kicks like a 12 guage
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
you bastards better have all those safely secured
kills me to see folks with rifles behind doors..ect..
Hangtime..Im seriously thinking of parting with one of my battle rifles for a socom16
really really want one I think..havent got to shoot one yet...1,500 to 2,000$ not cheap...i dont think i would mind a used one
If you want to shoot an 18 inch barrel version let me know, the scout and socom are pretty similer.
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i'm a ninja
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
If you want to shoot an 18 inch barrel version let me know, the scout and socom are pretty similer.
Yup, one of my rigs is an A4 upper with a collapsing stock, holographic sight, a 16.01 inch barrel and a 4-rail FF tube. I got a picture of it around here somewhere....
...ahhh here 'tis...
(http://www.edbert.net/images/2006/m15d.jpg)
The FSB is a flip-up. Shoots like a dream I gotta say. A real fun plinker!
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Originally posted by Curval
9 iron
and those laughable pink shorts
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Springfield:
1911A1
SOCOM 16
M44 carbine russian
ROMAK 3 romanian
Mossberg 590
Thompson 1927A2 Deluxe
AK-47 romanian
Keltec .380 (wife's zip gun)
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I see know reason to list my weapons online, big brother will know what to take when he come to confiscate.
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
Hangtime..Im seriously thinking of parting with one of my battle rifles for a socom16
I really enjoy the semi-auto's. Know a coupla guys with socom's. very nice, indeed.
But I'd never ever part with a worked up battle rifle. ever. nope. nuh-unh, no freakin way.
why?
'cause nothin sez lovin like the thumpin of those old masterpieces of iron and wood. they are living pieces of history, entrusted to me for a few generations of wonder and joy. there are always exceptions.. both the enfields had been hacked up by a bubba.. they are mere shodows of the glorious pieces they once were. those i'll part with.. the SKS's.. who cares. But the m-39, the m-38, the Mauser and the M1...
never.
Semi's are great.. but a real, big caliber battle rifle is another creature; from an era where marksmanship and finesse, fieldcraft and reach far out weigh the modern concepts of close engagement, numerical superiority and volume of fire.
But in your shoes.. I'd keep the BR and add the socom as an extension to a mousgun collection. but, that's just me; and on this subject most shooters consider me certifiable. ;)
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40 desert Eagle . I need a M4 wife said I could one hehe:t
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Originally posted by Dago
I see know reason to list my weapons online, big brother will know what to take when he come to confiscate.
Big brother already knows... big brother knows everything
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Originally posted by 101ABN
Big brother already knows... big brother knows everything
That is true, plus why would they even need to know. They'll just kick in every single door anyway in their neverending effort to save us from ourselves.
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Wichester M-70 Featherweight in .280 Remington.
Ruger M-77 in 6.5x55mm Swedish.
Taurus Model 431, with 3 inch barrel, in .44 special.
Winchester semi-auto .22.
Browning Auto-5...Belgium made...in Sweet 16. (Ah...the memories!)
Remington Model 7 in .260.
Ruger semi-auto .22.
Plus some others I'm ashamed to admit I own.
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Nice, i love the civilian M4's. Im torn which one I like best on the Bushmaster website.
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Two Bushmaster M-4's
One AK-47
One SKS
One Israeli M-14 sniper rifle w/Nimrod scope, Harris bipod, cheek rest & certificate of authenticity
One Ruger P-90 .45 auto
One Para-ordnance P-14 signature series .45 auto
One Ruger Blackhawk .44 magnum
One Ruger Blackhawk .357 magnum
One Texas defender .410/.45 long colt derringer
One Davis (yuck) .22 magnum derringer
One Mossberg Mariner 12 gauge
One Winchester 20 gauge (can't remember the model without opening the safe)
One Ruger 10/22
One Winchester model 94 30-30
One Thompson .50 cal muzzle loader
One Benjamin .22 caliber air rifle
I think I have others but I can't remember without opening my gun safe & I just don't feel like fighting through the storage room to open it.
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Originally posted by Edbert1
lessee here...off the top of my head...
BOLT ACTIONS:
Custom with Mauser-K98 action in 6mm Rem
Weatherby MkV in .30-06
Winchester Model 70 in .300WinMag
1906 Springfeild (remanufactured by SA)
SEMI-AUTO-RIFLE:
4 @ AR15s in various configs (5.56/7.62X39/7.62 NATO)
Norinko SKS with detach and folder
3 @ .22LRs Ruger/Remington/Winchester
M22 clone from Springfield Armory
Winchester 351 (look that one up :D)
LEVER-RIFLE:
Winchester '94 in .30-30
Winchester .22LR
HANDGUNS:
Colt .44 Walker Dragoon
Desert Eagle in .357
Smith&Wesson 4" in .357
Ruger GP100 6" in .357
Glock 9mm
Glock 10mm
Walther P38 (with the dirty bird)
Smith&Wesson 959 (I think that's the model, I hate it but it was my Dad's)
Undisclosed amount of ammo stashed underground in multiple undisclosed locations in weatherproof containers for when the SHTF.
You gun-nuts frighten me!
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Are you fricking kidding me????
You have a Walker Dragoon?
What number?
I paid $38,000 for mine some 21 years ago.
I just love the the way they shoot, The ultimate hand Canon.
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Originally posted by rpm
A pointy stick.
You need the bucket of mud to make this weapon truely effective ;)
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1857 Enfield muzzle-loader musket .58 cal.
For Civil War Re-enactments and when I'm ready, black powder hunting!
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Just started mine last Christmas, bought myself a Henry Golden Boy .22 LR. Just a plinker but great fun.
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Crossman Slingshot.
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An official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!!!
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I am of the one shot one kill, mode of operation, currently no hand guns but that could change, anytime
one- Thompson 50 cal. Muzzleloader
one- Investarms 54 cal. Muzzleloader
one- CVA kit 50 cal Muzzleloader
one- Model 1100 12 gauge slug and modifed barrel
one- Mossberg 500 12 gauge
one- New england arms .223 HB
one- Ruger 10/22 Hvy Barrel
one- Thompson center encore Rifle .223 and 7mm Rem Mag barrels
one-Marlin 22. semi-auto
Thats it, list subject to change at anytime
:aok :aok
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Originally posted by MrBill
Are you fricking kidding me????
You have a Walker Dragoon?
I guess I should have said it was a cheap Italian replica. Shoots great and you are right about how much fun they are. But if I had a "real" one I would not shoot it, I'd have guessed they were worth six figured nowadays.
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Looks like I just found my next batch of studs to take to Iraq:aok
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Not many here, but here goes:
Remington .22 lever action
Remington .243 700 model, 1975ish year-wise. (most accurate of any gun ive fired)
Remington .243 (cant remember what kind)
3 old 12 guages. Old enough that I, nor my dad or grandad knew the brand
No name 7mm
Homemade rife w/ K98 Mauser action 8mm
30-30, can't remember brand
There's a few more that I can't remember off the top of my head. They never get to come home from the farm, so I don't get to use them all very often.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
An official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle!!!
Okay, I will admit I have one of those. An old and good friend gave it to me for Christmas back around 1980, kind of a joke, but a cool gift anyway. Have had a blast with it over the years.
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Homemade Bow fashioned from a hazel branch, 6' long, prepared with bee's wax and flexible sealant. fairly accurate up to 100 yrds with a maximum tested range of 185 yrds.
2 X .177 calibre air rifles. much weaker than the bow
Austrian throwing knife
8 year old lab/spaniel cross that barks at the post man but is afraid of water.
so far the most i have needed have been attached to my body already.
i use a left-shoulder-forward boxing stance, leading with the left and finishing with the right.
i would happily see another human or any stinging critter die burning in pain, but i dont like killing or hurting 99% of nature and its populace.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
Homemade Bow fashioned from a hazel branch, 6' long, prepared with bee's wax and flexible sealant. fairly accurate up to 100 yrds with a maximum tested range of 185 yrds.
2 X .177 calibre air rifles. much weaker than the bow
Austrian throwing knife
8 year old lab/spaniel cross that barks at the post man but is afraid of water.
so far the most i have needed have been attached to my body already.
i use a left-shoulder-forward boxing stance, leading with the left and finishing with the right.
i would happily see another human or any stinging critter die burning in pain, but i dont like killing or hurting 99% of nature and its populace.
the best bows from your part of the world are made from the podicarpus (yew) bush. do tell about your hazel bow it sounds intertesting.
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Ruger M77 mk1 .300 Win Mag
Browning A-5 12 gau Light 12 (made in Belg in 1925)
Glock 22 .40 S&W w/ tritium sights
Kel-Tec .40 S & W
Ruger 10/22
and a Global Hawk if I need it
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yOOO jolly...
U guys get global hawks at beale yet?..wondern when i will be restricted from flyn out of lincoln?..lolo...I heard awhile back they were maybe getn drones up there?
great range on the east side of base..300yds:) fire as fast as you want
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Originally posted by storch
the best bows from your part of the world are made from the podicarpus (yew) bush. do tell about your hazel bow it sounds intertesting.
the medieval 'Longbow' as it was known dominated the battle field for nearly 300 years of European wars. this is the legendary 'yew' bow of which you speak, and its maximum range was in excess of 350yrds.
The longbow is carved from a large section of the yew trunk, or a very thick branch. to create such a weapon takes skills far beyond my understanding.
A full power medieval longbow would be almost impossible to use for the new archer. the masters of this weapon would have built up specific muscals in thier arms and backs to cope with drawing and stringing the bow that an average strength adult male would need to work up over a period of years before these tasks become even possible.
The hazel bow, a design i have created myself and used close to 50 times, is carved out of a single branch from the tree. hazel grows verticaly upwards in concentrated areas and is not only extremely flexible when green, but also superiour to any other English tree in terms of being virtually dead straight, and lacking in imperfections in the grain.
After taking a 7' length approximately 2" in diameter from the forest, the bark is stripped and the leaves and knots cut off. After a day of airing in the garden shed you begin the shaping stage.
To shape the bow I use a hunting knife and sand paper. the ends are whitted down to a fine point and taper outwards to the full thickness of the branch 2' from either end. The result is a 2' section of 2" diameter bow with a 2' section at either end that thins down to a point. It looks like a giant cocktail stick.
The next stage is to decide which 'way' the bow will curve. Any natural piece of flexible wood will have a stong and weak way to flex. you pick the strongest, or hardest way to bend the bow as this will give the most power when sturng and fired. After choosing the curve, the bow is flexed into a light bow shape under pressuse, and then locked with bailing twine.
Now its really starting to look like a bow. The next stage is to carve the inside edge of the handle (the full thickness center section) right down to almost half way through the bow. This provides a strong leading edge to the bow, totaly natural and uncraved, and also ensures that the inside edge of the bow will compress and not hinder the draw, or make it only possible for a super strong man to use.
Finally, with the bow still held under tension in a slight curve, rub a bee's wax candle over the entire surface of the wood. This helps to lock in the flex and moisture of the bow (which after 1 days airing will be perfect) and also stop the freshly craved wood from splintering under pressure. After the wax another sealing layer is added. I like to use rubber glue from a bicycle repair kit, but any non-pourous sealant or varnish will work. The effectiveness of this layer is doubtfull, but it helps to lock in the wax layer, and also makes the surface of the wood look more profesional.
Another day to let the preservatives fuse with the wood fibres and the bow is ready to be strung. The straining twine is removed, and the shape or a slight curve should remain. The bow is strung with high tension bailing twine (the thin orange stuff not the thick nylon green stuff) in the same manner you would string a shop bought bow. the ends have notches carved in so you can string and de-string in seconds using carefully messured loops in the twine(never leave a bow strung when not in use)
Finishing touches include a handle made from soft wool twine binded round the middle shaft. No sighting, arrow notching or balance implements are added, you rest the shaft of the arrow on your grip-hand knuckles and sight looking right down the arrow shaft.
Projectiles are crafted from 0.7m lengths of 6mm dowel and fletched with goose feather binded on with cotton and some super glue.
From under 20 yrds a well made effort will drive an arrow clean through 500ml paint can, although you're likely to destroy your flights attempting this.
Standing 150yrds apart i was able to drop an arrow at the feet of a friend who was unable to hit me from the same range with a .177 air rifle when we did some tests a few years back.
thats the quick reference version. :D
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I used to have an MP5 and a Glock.
Now I only have few knives and a spear gun.
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Glock 17 with tritium sights.... still working after 11 years!
Colt Govt 1991 .45ACP
I'd like to buy a composite bow for some summer fun...
Service weapon: Glock 26
Oooh btw, I popped my cherry and fired full auto for the 1st time this monday. It is normally forbidden to fire bursts at our training range but I had the opportunity to try a HK MP5 SD... I asked to the colleague on the line to make a lot of noise and I let it rip ;). Not spectacular at all with the noise suppressor and no muzzle flash, and really easy to control (the gun is quite heavy for a 9mm SMG). Just like Counter Strike Source :aok
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Hmmm,
I had a M16 for 14 years but the Army kept it when I got out.......
Other than that I have a pile of ratan in the shed, and 36 years swining a stick. I hit 25 years as a KSCA this year.
Gunns (short for Gunnarsson)
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Originally posted by USRanger
Looks like I just found my next batch of studs to take to Iraq:aok
Ill go again... anything to get off this rear detachment crap.:aok
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sounds like a very nice bow BF. I've considered making one myself I have just never actually atken the time to do so. We have podicarpus here so that would most likely be my choice were I to make one.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
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Standing 150yrds apart i was able to drop an arrow at the feet of a friend who was unable to hit me from the same range with a .177 air rifle when we did some tests a few years back.
Great write up Bat, just had to laugh at this part ;)
Also what trees native to the NE US would work for this?
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I have a few firearms scattered around the country.
lazs
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My toy closet is small, but eccentric...:D
Moderns:
Browning (FAL) Hi-Power 9mm
Ruger 10/22
Marlin 12ga pump
Browning Citori GTI, 12 ga, extended chokes, fitted stock
Thompson-Center Contender w/ 14" .44 mag bull barrel
Ruger Super Blackhawk, .44 mag
Dan Wesson, cased, 4 interchangeable barrels, .38 cal
Reproductions:
Pepperbox 38 cal
Percussion pistol .45 cal
Thompson-Center Hawken flintlock .50 cal
Off the Wall Stuff:
Handmade Mongol Horsebow, plus one dozen self-made stone-tipped arrows, and one dozen self-made iron-tipped arrows. Knapped the stone points myself, bought the reproduction iron heads.
Hand-and-a-half bastard sword, @ 4' overall, with orangewood grip and cast brass hardware
Hand-forged Falchion
1918 French Bayonet
8' leaf-bladed spear
...and one 2" caliber potato cannon! :aok
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Standing 150yrds apart i was able to drop an arrow at the feet of a friend who was unable to hit me from the same range with a .177 air rifle when we did some tests a few years back.
I hope that doesn't surprise anyone lol...btw, putting some animal sinew on the back the bow will add to it's power. As the bow is drawn it stretches the sinew which stores some of the energy of the pull. The romans used this technique I'm not sure who else might have.
I have a friend who likes to pressure flake his own arrowheads but he hasn't attained the skill level needed to fabricate his own bow or arrows yet. I know he would talk your ear off if he had a chance.
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Bat,
You and a friend actually SHOT at each other? You stood still and let another guy take aim and fire at you? Your friend stood still while you drew a bow on him and let fly?
I'm a little amazed, but really just curious.
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Originally posted by Goomba
Bat,
You and a friend actually SHOT at each other? You stood still and let another guy take aim and fire at you? Your friend stood still while you drew a bow on him and let fly?
I'm a little amazed, but really just curious.
we used to shoot each other with one pump for our bejamin and sheridan pelletguns, with wrist rockets, bows and arrows and ultimately shotguns with the shot replaced by modelling clay. sadly we grew up before the advent of the paintball gun and it was the only way to realistically play army or cowboys and indians. kids today are far too soft.
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Originally posted by storch
we used to shoot each other with one pump for our bejamin and sheridan pelletguns, with wrist rockets, bows and arrows and ultimately shotguns with the shot replaced by modelling clay. sadly we grew up before the advent of the paintball gun and it was the only way to realistically play army or cowboys and indians. kids today are far too soft.
Hehe, yep I did the same thing. Crossman multi-pump airguns with just one pump and loaded with BBs. If you wanted any real distance you had to learn some trajectory. If it hit it might raise a little blood blister from the sting of the impact, but thats about it. Once while trying to capture a barn from a team of guys with such rifles we accidentally shot out the glass from the screen door. Ooops. :)
I've still got some pucker marks on my back where I got hit by a shotshell loaded with rock salt. Jeeze that burned. I thought I was gonna die. Had a good laugh about it later though. Safety police would have a cow nowdays.
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didn't they make it illegal for subjects to own bows a bunch of centuries ago so that they couldn't poach in the kings forrest or incite insurection?
lazs
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That was the french at againcourt. they make it known that after they won the battle the english would be never again allowed to own a bow and that their middle fingers would be cut off to make it impossible for them to ever again employ a longbow. the french lost.
which lead to the famous middle finger salute, for centuries; the appropriate salute of an englishman to a frenchman.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
That was the french at againcourt. they make it known that after they won the battle the english would be never again allowed to own a bow and that their middle fingers would be cut off to make it impossible for them to ever again employ a longbow. the french lost.
which lead to the famous middle finger salute, for centuries; the appropriate salute of an englishman to a frenchman.
hey, pluck you buddy!
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heh.... i was pretty confident the worst the pelet gun would do from 150 yrds is make me itch a little, likewise, should the arrow have been dead on target my friend would have the good sense to move. at those ranges you have time to watch the arrow be fired at 45 degrees up, light a smoke, and then move out the way as it comes back down.
animal guts sound like a good method, but i dont fancy butchering a couple of bunny rabbits just for thier stringy bits, or at the most a small meal.
edit: oh also, Lazs, you're almost correct. should i be seen walking down the street with the bow strung i would be arrested, and possesion of a homemade weapon and/or projectiles of any kind in public would result in alot of attention from the law, if not prosecusion.
freakin *****whipped government.
ya know, at a swimming pool in France, the water slide was 30 ft tall.
the ladder up and platform had no saftey rails and the french kids would go up running and dive down the slide.
in England that pool would be closed down even before the accident happened.
Darwin is being overruled in my country at least.
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Originally posted by lazs2
didn't they make it illegal for subjects to own bows a bunch of centuries ago so that they couldn't poach in the kings forrest or incite insurection?
lazs
on the contrary, it was illegal to do anything on a sunday except archery and going to church. apparently 40% of the whole population around then were battle trained in archery:eek:
and hangtime, yeah, the middle finger and the index finger held up, you usually wave it while chanting something too lol
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made a longbow with my grandpa once (he has a massive yew tree in his garden and they were trimming it down)
read up on the net about it first, and you basically take the branch, and cut a section from the outside, making sure that you get the core and the outer wood, one resists compression and the other is quite elastic. we didnt dry it out for ages or anything, and we didnt pay too much attention to it, it was really just something fun for a day or two, so it wasnt fantastic quality, but even so, the thing was bloody powerful! put an arrow, basically just a sharpened stick with very basic flights right into another tree trunk. cant imagine what it would do to a person.
always great fun making weapons:D
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I have no doubt that the english kings allowed themselves and their armies bows... I was talking about their subjects.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I have no doubt that the english kings allowed themselves and their armies bows... I was talking about their subjects.
lazs
Isn't there a rule about posting trolls here....oh wait, they don't seem to apply to lazs. Carry on.
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so bows were never banned in england? Must be thinking of robin hood or something... Maybe that Swiss guy.....
lazs
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Ruger P345
Zastava M59/66
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animal guts sound like a good method, but i dont fancy butchering a couple of bunny rabbits just for thier stringy bits, or at the most a small meal.
That'd be sinew lambfries, not guts. And you can get it without slaughtering anything yourself, but if you'd like to go out and kill a few hundred bunnies be my guest. I would just go to a stockyard & see if they would sell a bit.
I just thought since you went through all that trouble making it, you might want to make it more historically accurate & more powerful at the same time.
More Power....argh - argh - argh.
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Originally posted by lazs2
so bows were never banned in england? Must be thinking of robin hood or something... Maybe that Swiss guy.....
lazs
LOL.. Laz, for about 300 years nearly every single able-bodied subject in the kingdom was an exceptionaly well trained archer. Those with slightly higher birth status received training in basic weapons skills.. sword, pike or cavalry. But every serf was an archer.. mandated by law. ..and their expertiese with the english longbow was legendary. A longbow shot at 200 yards could penetrate the heavy armour of the day and fell a knight with ease.. at 100 yards a shot could penetrate 6" of oak plank or even plate armor.. heavy knight cavalry charges at English Longbowmen was suicide. It was the era's 'machine gun', 'sniper rifle' and 'artillery' all rolled into one.
The average English Military Archer could fire 12 to 15 arrows per minute and hit a man-sized target at a minimum of 200 yards. The maximum range was about 400 yards with flight arrows. An archer could not even consider himself skilled at his art if he could not shoot 10 arrows a minute.
Needless to say, the English kings did indeed fear their own archers.. the Magna Carta being presented to the king by nobles backed by Archers... establishing the precedent of obtaining from government certain guarantees of rights, upon pain of rebellion by an aggrieved and armed populace.
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I happen to be one of the best shots with a rubber band you will ever see.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
... establishing the precedent of obtaining from government certain guarantees of rights, upon pain of rebellion by an aggrieved and armed populace.
That sounds very familiar, also why the British government has little to worry about now and why ours envies them.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
That'd be sinew lambfries, not guts. And you can get it without slaughtering anything yourself, but if you'd like to go out and kill a few hundred bunnies be my guest. I would just go to a stockyard & see if they would sell a bit.
I just thought since you went through all that trouble making it, you might want to make it more historically accurate & more powerful at the same time.
More Power....argh - argh - argh.
thank you for the sugestion, i was peviously aware of the use of sinews and other natural materials but had never decided to employ such methods.
whats lambfries?
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It was my attempt to be a S.A. as your response seemed also to be an attempt at same - my apologies.
Lambfries are um, fried testicles. :(
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Originally posted by Edbert1
That sounds very familiar, also why the British government has little to worry about now and why ours envies them.
The parallels are hauntingly familiar... the archer/farmers of the era were expert marksmen, capable of penetrating the best armor of the period 12 times a minute from 100+ yards out.
hehehhehhehhe.. boggles the mind what the diane finsteins of the 1200's would think about a buncha pissed off welsh farmers with bows.
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red ryder BB gun. thats my only weapon...besides my bow...and maybe my brothers paintball gun...and his pellet gun...dotdotdot...dotdotdotdo t....
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I am known as a non-pro-guns from many a debate.
But, I must Confess:
Brno .22 handgun (rifled, 1-shot with a good sight, - for slaughtering)
(Even the short cartridges drop a lamb, the long ones will drop a bull)
Marlin .22 magnum rifle, bolt action 7 bullet mag, 4xscope (For slaughtering big bulls and sniping geese and seagulls. Doesn't need to be much bigger for 4x scope Record shot is a goose through the heart at 150 metres)
Baikal 12 gauge single shot 2 3/4" Shotgun for killing the bastiges if they fly of the ground :D
(Dropped gulls by the hundreds with this one. Since it is non automatic and well narrow in the barrel, a 42.5 G BB shot will break a gull's wing at quite high altitude. Then they spin to the ground like a wingless aircraft in AH :D )
I envy those who have a Tommygun, awww, - but I wouldn't have any use for it. Always wanted a nice handgun as well, but I'm against them so...;)
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Sadly, no modern toys here... just old soot shooters!
1847 Walker Colt .44 cap n' ball
Bought this because it packs enough punch to dent just about anything. Though it does go through powder like mad if I get a little POWER crazy. 55-grain charges can make a pound of powder disappear quick!
A pair of 1851 Colt Navy .36 cap n' ball
Just for plinking. Both are accurate, neither eats powder, and punching cards ala John W. Hardin is great fun!
Percussion Hawken .50 front-stuffer
A virtual twin to the first BP weapon I ever fired. Not terribly accurate (minute of garbage can at 100 yards) and like the Walker it'll gobble up powder, but still a kick to shoot. At night it'll throw sparks and flame a good two foot from the muzzle.
Flintlock Kan-Tuck-Eee .50 front-stuffer
Bought it from a friend who mistakenly ordered a flint model instead of a cap. Even worse than the Hawken with powder consumption, but a LOT more fun to shoot! Scares the crap out of people who aren't used to having something blow up mere inches from their face! LOL The sound, though... oh my, my, my! Nothing quite brings it back like the "Cla..PAH!" of a rock-scraper going off.
Had my firearms cherry popped on an ancient Marlin .22LR auto vs. milk jugs and soda cans. Two years later my uncle introduced me to the wonderful stench of blackpowder smoke. Been hooked ever since! Especially with modern ammo, at least locally, going for almost a buck and a half per shot. With BP, I spend about .20 cents a shot. And it SMELLS BETTER! :D
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Originally posted by Dago
I happen to be one of the best shots with a rubber band you will ever see.
I'm not bad with a rubber band either. They come in handy for breaking the
family cat's concertration in stare-down contests.
Excel
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LoL
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Originally posted by Brenjen
It was my attempt to be a S.A. as your response seemed also to be an attempt at same - my apologies.
Lambfries are um, fried testicles. :(
im definitely lost, you have no appologies to make to me.
mmmmm testicles.
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angus... no problem.. most people who want to ban things don't want the bans to apply to them. They have a "real need" usually. and.... unlike everyone else....
They can be trusted.
lazs
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
mmmmm testicles.
yoink!
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deep fired lamb's nuts or roasted pig nuts, which do you think is tastier?
the answer is they both taste like crap, and look worse, but dont ever try raw bulls balls.
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Lamb nuts get roasted in the southern states of the USA. Never tasted any.
In my country we cook them and the make sour. Delicious ;)
And Lasz:
"angus... no problem.. most people who want to ban things don't want the bans to apply to them. They have a "real need" usually. and.... unlike everyone else...."
I want our countries ban for multy-round handguns to continue (the only one allowed in one-shot .22), and I'd rather have none (although I want one) than the ban being lifted.
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soooo... the guns you have right now are the most you would accept to be legal in your country for the normal subject? Your guns are allright?
Someone elses choice needs to be banned tho?
lazs
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Multy-round handguns that you can stick in your pocket are banned.
That has resulted in practically none being in circulation.
So, the average thug usually only carries a knife, while the average everybody in his house might possibly have a shotgun or a rifle perhaps.
We can have everything except automatic rifles and handguns. There is quite a bit of hunting going on you see.
You have to go through quite a filter to get guns though, and if you slip in their usage, you're out.
Result is that guns usage in felony is practically none. And still you can be a gun owner and have your hunt.
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Originally posted by Angus
Multy-round handguns that you can stick in your pocket are banned.
That has resulted in practically none being in circulation.
So, the average thug usually only carries a knife, while the average everybody in his house might possibly have a shotgun or a rifle perhaps.
We can have everything except automatic rifles and handguns. There is quite a bit of hunting going on you see.
You have to go through quite a filter to get guns though, and if you slip in their usage, you're out.
Result is that guns usage in felony is practically none. And still you can be a gun owner and have your hunt.
It hasn't worked anywhere else, enjoy it while you can. Criminals are not going to obey the law. Gun ban laws only effect the law abiding citizen. When some fruit in your country goes in & wipes out a motel lobby with a shotgun then those will get banned. It's a domino effect & I'm glad we're fighting it here in the U.S. We are gauranteed the right to bear arms & no limitations or restrictions were placed on that right.
Long live freedom.
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All mine are modern
Deer rifles
Sako .300 mag trigger job with a Zeiss 4-14 30mm tube
Remington .270 700 great gun for the hill country Doctor scope 5-12
Savage 22.250 varmint with a zeiss 8-20 that gun will shoot out to 500 yards all day
winchester 94 44 mag
sks russian
mini 14 pos rifle broke the extractor last week i never really inderstood why people like that gun
Shot guns
Browning over and under 12 ga
bennelli m1 super 90 HK one 28 inch barrell and a 24 inch, Tube extender pistol grip stock for turkey and hogs, this gun is for mexico and has had over 50,000 rounds down it.
Winchester model 12
remington 870 truck gun
bennelli super black eagle 12ga
Pistol
STI .40 rangemaster with a c-more red dot and rail
glock 23 17
SW model 41 .22 c-more red dot
Para .45 trigger job, this is better than the kimber
Kimber widebody .45
Ruger red hawk .44
Bows
Hoyt protec
Thats what i kill all my deer with havent shot a deer in texas with a long gun in 7 years.
Looking for a AK and a storm in .45
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BTW thank god for TEXAS had a cop pull me over the other day as i was going to the range. We had a great chat and i showed him my babies. He didnt give me a ticket and he is going to come out to our range next month for a family shoot.
Almost didnt remeber my little guns
Remington speedmaster .22
winchester model 52 .22
rossi pump .22
10/22
browning auto .22
charles daily .22 mag bolt action
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My truck...
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Brenjen:
"It hasn't worked anywhere else, enjoy it while you can. Criminals are not going to obey the law."
Rubbish. It actually works quite well. Like I said, the thugs in our country are generally NOT armed with firearms. But also because the small arms have always been banned ,so there are hardly any ones in the circulation. That's the whole point.
BTW, the last fatal gunwound in our country actually WAS from a handgun.
The father of the shooter, aged 11 or so, was a merchant sailor and had smuggled a pistol from somewhere. The boy thought it was cool and brought it out to some kids, - it was maybe a grudge, or just cowboys and indians. Anyway, the gun was small enough to allow him to travel quite a distance with it without being spotted. (He even got a ride in a car on the way)
So, it was hot and he shot a 10 year old through the head.
I am not for total gun bans, but IMHO we could do without the little "anti-personel" ones.
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Originally posted by Angus
Brenjen:
"It hasn't worked anywhere else, enjoy it while you can. Criminals are not going to obey the law."
Rubbish. It actually works quite well.
Like I said, I'll say it again; enjoy it while you can. You're going back to "it works in my country" & I'm saying, that will change, it has in every other country & city that attempted it.
When you give up part of your freedoms for a little bit of security you're just inviting more control further down the road. It's been proven in many socialist countries that it will not work. Hardly rubbish. Rubbish is saying, "I'll only give up some of my rights, they'll respect the rest of them if I give up just these few"
If you like it, good. I wouldn't put up with it. Those oppressive laws are what revolutions were designed for. The population should not be put on a leash by their govt. & led around by the nose "for their own protection"
If the boy in your story had shot the other kid with an arrow by playing the indian, would the kid be any less dead?
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Got a nail gun…quite effective…compressor’s a bit unwieldy…keeps the neighborhood kids away.
Got a lighter looks like a gun…good for taking out stogies.
Got a super soaker …cat suppression.
Got a Guns and Roses cd…makes a good coaster.
Got wicked flatulence…crowd control.
Secret weapon of last resort… ‘F’ bomb.
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You're not getting it.
"I'm saying, that will change, it has in every other country & city that attempted it"
We didn't attempt any special gun law. It was always there basically.
So, no generations of handguns in therotation. Basta.
If you belive in the freedom of holding automatic rifles and handguns, who have no practical use at all, where do you draw the line? Hand Grenades and Dynamite?
We are not a socialist country BTW, and you don't have to go socialist to avoid the poo and arm every nuthead in the country.
A country that doesn't have any problems with people getting shot dead all the time should bloody well stick on it's course, no matter if somebody steps in and sais:
"that will change, it has in every other country & city that attempted it", - or in other words, surrender, - although it works and has been, it won't so drop it now.
Then the silliest of them all..
"If the boy in your story had shot the other kid with an arrow by playing the indian, would the kid be any less dead?"
Depends on the bow, but I'd pick the arrow.
BTW, how do you think that a 11 year old travels 10 miles, mostly by getting a ride, with a lethal bow with him. Or even a hunting rifle for that sake? Now, let me guess, he got where he wanted because he had the gun in his bag along with some toys and stuff....
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Originally posted by Brenjen
Like I said, I'll say it again; enjoy it while you can. You're going back to "it works in my country" & I'm saying, that will change, it has in every other country & city that attempted it.
When you give up part of your freedoms for a little bit of security you're just inviting more control further down the road. It's been proven in many socialist countries that it will not work. Hardly rubbish. Rubbish is saying, "I'll only give up some of my rights, they'll respect the rest of them if I give up just these few"
If you like it, good. I wouldn't put up with it. Those oppressive laws are what revolutions were designed for. The population should not be put on a leash by their govt. & led around by the nose "for their own protection"
If the boy in your story had shot the other kid with an arrow by playing the indian, would the kid be any less dead?
pssstt... in a land filled with laws to protect us from ourselves... consider "I'll only give up some of my rights, they'll respect the rest of them if I give up just these few" the next time yah put on a helmet and fasten yer seatbelt. ;)
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Some people will just never get it.
If I were a criminal, I would come to your country & arm the other criminals, because after all you need a market for sales & your admitted lack of these types of firearms is a market.
I never said your country was socialist at all, you're one of those twist plain words to fit your own agenda types.
So you would feel better if the kid was killed with an arrow. That to me is the silliest of them all.
"BTW, how do you think that a 11 year old travels 10 miles, mostly by getting a ride, with a lethal bow with him."
ROFLMAO, you can't be serious with that question. It's simple to travel with a bow here, even for an 11 year old....maybe even ESSPECIALLY for an 11 year old. Ever hear of sawed off weapons? No of course not, that wouldn't fit into your pre-formed opinion mold.
And where do you come up with the "in other words surrender"? Your twisting the plain meaning of what I said yet again.
Get used to crawling on your hands & knees begging your absolute ruler for every little thing because it's coming.
I'm not replying to you anymore, there is no discussion when someone twists words to fit into their own little world ignoring the common meaning & intent.
Good day sir & good luck, may your chains sit lightly upon you.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
pssstt... in a land filled with laws to protect us from ourselves... consider "I'll only give up some of my rights, they'll respect the rest of them if I give up just these few" the next time yah put on a helmet and fasten yer seatbelt. ;)
That is the only law I break on purpose. The govt. of the United States or it's individual states; has no legal right to force someone to wear a seatbelt or a motorcycle helmet for that matter if they are over the age of 18. If a childs parents are not going to force the under age child to buckle up, the govt. should I.M.O.
As adults our rights end where someone elses begin & I doubt anyone flew through a windsheild because of a lack of a seatbelt & killed someone else with their body. If the impact was that severe they'd probably die seatbelt or no seatbelt.
I think they should also get rid of the mandatory insurance law or force the insurance companies to write your next of kin a check at the end of your life for the full ammount you paid over the course of your life minus any funds they had to pay for you. For me, so far, they would owe a pretty penny since I have never had to use any form of insurance in my adult life.
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Well, good you won't reply, hehe.
Ok, live with it, that in MY country we don't have the same guncrimes as in yours. Nor with crime generally.
So, forgive me as not seeing it as an improvement for the country to take a test and open the flood of smallarms, just because some wisearse sais that keeping them out is definately a lost battle.
On the flipside, when every idiot in the country can easily get a .45, and it's an established fact, then maybe it's futile to mess with regulations. If every thug in the country could be expected to pack a fast punch, maybe the good guys should to.
Some battles are lost, some are won, and ours has not been lost.
And for the kid. I'd rather be shot at with a home-made-from-a-tenyearold-wooden-bow-and-wooden-arrow (made those myself, and even got hit) than a .38 or .45. Or do you pick up kids and drop them off at the playground with a shotgun or a HP bow in their arms?
If you miss points, you miss them.
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what might be considered normal seen walking down a country lane in england may also get you arrested in a major city.
I'm sure its the same for america.
only thing is your 'countryside' and 'major citys' are up to 3000 miles apart.
an 8 year old kid walking down the road with a shotgun in an outback texan comunity might not even raise an eyebrow, the same aged kid in a city would result in an incident.
the over generalisations in these arguments are absurd.
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an 8 year old kid walking down the road with a shotgun in an outback texan comunity might not even raise an eyebrow, the same aged kid in a city would result in an incident
That's an over generalisation Bat :D
It depends entirely on the state & city & 8 year old, I don't know how it is in England but here in the U.S. a specific city might have a total ban on all guns in a state that has little or no gun control laws.
If you are living in America & don't want to be around guns, you can move to a place where they have very strict gun control laws.
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Angus, lets keep some things in perspective here.
What works on a small island sparsely populated with a homogenous ethnicity will not necessarilly work in a large nation with a high population made up of dozens of sub-cultures.
I do not know how many square miles Iceland is, but it would probably be a small state here. Also the polpulation of your entire country is less than just one of the suburbs of Dallas Texas.
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There is no way to discuss anything when someone will leap from "a kid got killed" to "I'd rather he was killed with a bow" to "I'd rather be shot at by a home made bow" :rofl
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got a Colt 1911-A1 that my grandfather used in WWII (still shoots straight too), also a Colt Goverment Model from the 90's, Glock 22 (.40 cal) that i use for work, .380 cal Kel-Tech for carry gun (i call it my noisey cricket), and a Winchester 30-30 (because its cool). anyone who wants to take em is gonna have a tough time trying. :noid
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
what might be considered normal seen walking down a country lane in england may also get you arrested in a major city.
If you carry a firearm in plain view on public property in NZ your asking for big trouble from the police. It don't matter whether it's a rural or urban setting or whether the gun is real or a toy or your a kid or an adult, the police will react the same way.They will be all over you like a rash. Mostly I blame this over reaction on the proliferation of cell phones in the hands of busy-body, ignorant, hysterical people, who think that a kid with an obvious toy gun; or people with real guns in legitimate and innocent situations are a threat to the public and should be reported to the police. And of course the cops can't pre- judge the true situation from a phone call, they have to respond to all firearms related complaints the same way, armed and with caution.
Excel
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"Angus, lets keep some things in perspective here.
What works on a small island sparsely populated with a homogenous ethnicity will not necessarilly work in a large nation with a high population made up of dozens of sub-cultures."
Exactly. So therefore I don't agree with statements like
"Like I said, I'll say it again; enjoy it while you can. You're going back to "it works in my country" & I'm saying, that will change, it has in every other country & city that attempted it."
And drop an opinion like
"On the flipside, when every idiot in the country can easily get a .45, and it's an established fact, then maybe it's futile to mess with regulations. If every thug in the country could be expected to pack a fast punch, maybe the good guys should too."
(fixed one typo)
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so angus... are you against homicide or just homicide caused by handguns? How bout self defense? for that or... only for that if handguns aren't used?
How do you know what your homicide rate would be if handguns were allowed?
In the states when we allow people to carry concealled handguns our homicide rate stays the same or drops. Do your knife weilding criminals only carry knives when they break into a place or do they use em on the street too? How do you defend against them on the street?
Where do you stop? well... in the U.S. we call "arms" small arms that don't have explosive charges except for propellant... That is good enough for me... Hand grenades? might be a little tough on the neighbors in a fire or rescue workers eh? Rockets... same deal. We even have restrictions on how much powder you can store without the a fire/explosion locker. sensible stuff.
Seems that if a crook wanted a short weapon that was concealable he would just buy an illegal handgun or.... like in most countries with handgun bans.... saw off a shotgun or rifle and have a much more deadly weapon than a handgun.
I have never understood the reasoning that said that "if we give up these rights they will stop there" or... "it is a good idea to disarm people for their own good" or... "if we take the guns from the people then crooks will behave better"
or... "my guns are ok but yours are evil and need to be banned"
lazs
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Yeah Excel1 it works the same way here. I converse with a chick from N.Z., she wroks at the U.S. embassy there, great gal, likes to hog hunt with a bow...she's supposed to stop in Memphis on a business trip & I'm going to try to catch her. Should be interseting conversation.
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I know this.
1. Our homicide rate is much much less than yours.
2. Capitale crime in general is also much less.
3. That applies to most of the western world.
4. Lots of conceilable arms in the bad hands make bad stuff much easier.
5. I can easily say I can protect my home without having a handgun.
6. You nead the same license for a bow as a hunting rifle up here.
7. If you're a true crook here, it's still quite hard to aquire a conceilable weapon. NB, same to the ammo, unless you just stick with .22!!!!
8. Better armed crooks increase homicide rate. Logical isn't it.
9. I still can enjoy hunting and pot shooting.
10. I gladly sacrifice my "right" to have a handgun for the freedom of knowing that almost no criminal at all has one.
BTW, the first armed bank robbery in this country was done by a U.S. citizen. :D
The last one was done with a Fireaxe. Rather unsuccessful.
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angus... I bet I could go to your country and aquire an illegal handgun in a few weeks.
My guess is that you are young and in fairly good shape. The trap most young men fall for is that they don't see themselves as victims of violent crime because.... well... criminals are cowards for the most part... they go for weaker victims... old, infirm, women, children etc.. You have never felt the fear that these people have felt.
My parents used a handgun to stop what could have been a very bad situation by a very bad man who had no gun. Just not having a gun did not make him helpless against a 77 year old couple tho. He was quite willing to attack them both until the makarov came out.
Would he have attacked you? maybe... probly not... even if he did...he might not have prevailed. chances are tho... he woulda looked elsewhere.
I am saying that if you sold handguns at your local hardware store your homicide rate would not go up. You can't prove me wrong because no country that banned handguns has ever had a significant reduction in homicide.
In the U.S. the homicide rate for whites with firearms is quite low. socio economic factors come into play... handguns are not the cause. They can effect a cure tho to some small extent.
I say make handguns freely available to the law abiding and dramaticaly increase the penalties for gun crime... best of both worlds.. the unarmed crooks will be facing armed "victims".
lazs
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Angus, again...PERSPECTIVE!
The USA is ranked #6 in the world for total murders and Iceland is #61:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur
But that is out of perspective due to disparate populations. If viewed as per-capita the USA falls to #24 and Iceland climbs to 42:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_percap
But again that is out of perspective in my opinion, since our national statistics are built from the nation as a whole. there are places here where no sane person should tread, places where even the cops are afraid to go at night. They come in in the daylight and fill out the forms and attach toe-tags. But those areas are not representative of the whole country.
Take my home (Suburb of Austin Texas) for example. Per capita murder rate in the same year was one out of ~85,000 which puts us significantly ahead of Iceland. We also have a number of large (percentage wise) communities of illegal aliens and government housing projects. I can assure you that as a red-as-red-can-be county that the gun ownership per capita is higher here than most counties in the country too.
All I am saying is that when it comes to violent crime, there are a lot more things that influence it's commission than gun ownership.
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All I am saying is that when it comes to violent crime, there are a lot more things that influence it's commission than gun ownership.
I'd say that's an understatement edbert, lol
It all boils down to the old saying, "guns don't kill people, people kill people" A gun is only a tool & is as bad or good as the person using it.
Personally I'd rather be shot than bound at the hands and feet & shoved through a wood chipper...does that mean I would support banning wood chippers? Or locking away psychos that would like to shove me through one? :rofl
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Oh, that's a nice link. TY.
Did you check armed robberies and rape too?
Did you notice that the US is on the top of what we used to refer to as the "western" nations, or the first world.
We look at ourselfs as a coutry, so do you. Being that small, just a single murder a year might double the rate. Looks like a high one if you ask me.
No guncrime though. Not even a single wound.
Well, there is space, USA still has 250% the rate.....
And Lazs:
"My guess is that you are young and in fairly good shape. The trap most young men fall for is that they don't see themselves as victims of violent crime because.... well... criminals are cowards for the most part... they go for weaker victims... old, infirm, women, children etc.. You have never felt the fear that these people have felt.
My parents used a handgun to stop what could have been a very bad situation by a very bad man who had no gun. Just not having a gun did not make him helpless against a 77 year old couple tho. He was quite willing to attack them both until the makarov came out."
Young, yes (40 :D) and fit, sort of. Don't lock the house, and only take the car keyes out on party weekends. No fear.
(In the Capital you don't do this though.)
And as for your parents, - were they in or out? Well, they were lucky that the punk didn't have a S&W in his pocket.
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From Brenjen:
"It all boils down to the old saying, "guns don't kill people, people kill people" A gun is only a tool & is as bad or good as the person using it.
Personally I'd rather be shot than bound at the hands and feet & shoved through a wood chipper...does that mean I would support banning wood chippers? Or locking away psychos that would like to shove me through one? "
Firstly, the bullets kill people (sledge hammer :D)
Secondly, there is no reason being afraid of people with a wooden chipper in their pocket. Let me guess, you watched Fargo too often?
Thirdly, would you rather prefer bein attacked by some punk sporting a magnum 45, or a punk with nothing than his fists?
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Angus, we'd rather be allowed to make that decision... rather than having the decision made for us by government.
Here, we've learned that firearms is the guarantee to free will the hard way.. and won a revolution. The presence of several million guns in the population gives pause to any illegal ursurpation of power over the people, foriegn or domestic. Lastly, For us, punishing the criminal makes more sense than punishing the gun... a mere tool; in itself no more dangerous than a knife or woodchipper.
In some places the local government agrees with us, others it does not. It's a very, very big country (comparatively ;)).
Regardless, the fact remains.. criminals don't like victims capable of 'equalizing' the situation, and will move on if the prey can defend themseleves.
I'm glad your little country is secure in it's domestic affairs.. sounds like a very beautiful and safe place. It also sounds very vulnerable. You must be very glad the United Nations and Denmark insure your national sovreginity.
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BOOMBA CLASH
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Bolties..
Finn m-39 with 4x scope. insanely accurate. (7.62x54) 1941 sako rework, 1896 Mosin receiver and bolt. it's been killin commies fer over 100 years.
There were no commies before 1917 i think.
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Hangtime:
"Here, we've learned that firearms is the guarantee to free will the hard way.. and won a revolution. The presence of several million guns in the population gives pause to any illegal ursurpation of power over the people, foriegn or domestic. Lastly, For us, punishing the criminal makes more sense than punishing the gun... a mere tool; in itself no more dangerous than a knife or woodchipper."
Seems to work rather differently in the old 1st world then.
NB, they all have guns, just less. And yet you seem to have more deaths, crime and people in jails. Bugger!
Then:
"Regardless, the fact remains.. criminals don't like victims capable of 'equalizing' the situation, and will move on if the prey can defend themseleves."
So, are you talking about in the streets, or at home? Now here's a thought, any home up here might actually have firearms, you'll never know.
But handguns? nope.
And does the bandit have a gun? 99%+ no.
Finally:
"I'm glad your little country is secure in it's domestic affairs.. sounds like a very beautiful and safe place. It also sounds very vulnerable. You must be very glad the United Nations and Denmark insure your national sovreginity."
A little info.
Safe place yes, but so are many other, as some parts of the USA ;)
Vulnerable? to what?
UN and Denmark? You're joking, you must know that the US was here, but they left the patch they were on. Our independence came without a fight on our side, - the Danes were conquered by the Germans, but the Brits beat them to catch Iceland. So, TY Brits :aok
Maybe that's what you mean by vulnerable. Vulnerable to hostile paratroopers? Well, there is the Police, the Special force (oops, armed and trained worldwide somehow) and our coastguard who actually faced a threat some years back...(funny story)
Would a lot of handguns make it safer?
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1 Wrist rocket. (astounding how accurate you can hit somethign with a ballbearing)
1 Sword
Chitload of knives.
2 fists
Soon to be added 1 WWII Japaneese infantry rifle
Knowledge of how to make things go "boom"
And when angered. a mean nasty and ruthless disposition with the ability to ignore pain of any kind ;)
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:rofl
I also forgot one.
Knowledge of how to make a molotov coctail :rofl
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Lazs do you have to troll in EVERY gun thread?
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Sweet BGBMAW! I like it, is the stock aftermarket? .308 is my favorite calibre but it easier to lug .223's around; Plus my M-14 weighs as much as both my M-4's put together lol
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angus.. not sure you are getting the point. Are you saying that if we took away the handguns that our homicide rate would decrease by that amount? That would make us one of the least violent countries in the world.... less than yours. Nope... if we got rid of handguns our rate would probly increase... If your people were allowed to choose.... your rate would not go up.
As for my parents.. it was in their yard. If the bad guy had a smith and wesson then it woulda been whoever was the better gunfighter I suppose... certainly the old man would not have been better off to NOT have a gun.
I don't get the arguement... are you saying that if handguns were illegal that the criminals would just say.... "ok.. I better obey the law." ?
or... are you saying that there simply would not be any handguns to be had?
or.... that no criminal would chop up a rifle or shotgun to make it concealable?
for whatever the reason... we have a large group of very violent lawbreakers in our country... Right now... firearms stop from 1.5 to 3 million crimes a year. they are worth it to us and... we believe... a human right.
lazs
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
BOOMBA CLASH
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you suck at putting doors on. why has it scraped a big line on your nice floor?
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I'm not the one you are asking but, are you talking about the throw rug the dog is sitting on? Or is that a scrape in the linoleum?
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Originally posted by BGBMAW
BOOMBA CLASH
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HK-91? or some varient of it? i like it :aok
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Looks to me like a FAL clone.. carbine length. Nice folding stock.. who's rear sight is that?
Brenjen.. there's no hiding from a .308 The extra weight is worth it.
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lazs:
"angus.. not sure you are getting the point. Are you saying that if we took away the handguns that our homicide rate would decrease by that amount?"
No. Wouldn't be too sure there. I am saying that if WE'D let them loose, OUR homicide rate would go up.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Looks to me like a FAL clone.. carbine length. Nice folding stock.. who's rear sight is that?
Brenjen.. there's no hiding from a .308 The extra weight is worth it.
My guess...FAL with an Israeli (or clone) upper receiver.
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Springfield Armory : ) BEAST
not sure Furball what you mean....the dogs sitting on a throw rug
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angus... why would your homicide rate go up? is there something evil about your country that is unlike any other?
If countrys that ban handguns don't see a significant reduction in homicide then why would the reverse be true?
Some of the most evil people on earth live in D.C. the homicide rate is very high and they have very restrictive gun laws.... do you think that a reduction in these laws (more firearms) would make it even more homicidal?
you seem to have a very low opinion of your fellow man. This seems to be a common thread amungst the gun banners... they all seem to beliefe that only certain elite humans are capable of making good decisions.
lazs
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Lazs:
"angus... why would your homicide rate go up? is there something evil about your country that is unlike any other? "
Because there aren't any significant numbers of conceilable firearms, or firearms at all in the circulation. Try to grasp that. The gunlaw is and was strict, and the walls are mostly holding.
In your case, you have the whole country flooded with armament of all sorts, and bans and restrictions are firstly going to affect the honest citizens, and for a long while. And local bans don't do much, when the access is totally different in the next state.
State does not mean country you see, so just imagine how much harder it is to get a gun and ammo into a far-away island, than simply from the next state.
A friend of mine lived in Oklahoma. It didn't take him any scrutiny or anything to buy a .45. He's not even a US citizen. He was absolutely baffled about this, and I think he bought the gun in the beginning as a joke!
For us to get a license, you have to take a course, have a clean record, minimal age of course, exam, police interview, and then get two "clean" people to back you up. Then you can go shop, everything between .22 and 30-06 or so, and 12 gauge, even automatic up to 5 shots, and 5 shot pumpguns as well. But no automatic handguns.
We don't live in the world of armed felons, and don't want to.
Then answer this. Why is your homocide rate so much more, as well as rape and armed robbery, not to mention assault with a lethal weapon resulting in wounds. Is there anything evil about your country or could it be that crap like that is easier due to the fact that most people can be expected to be overarmed?
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WMD: Brain + balls.
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Angus, you live in the equivalent of a "gated community."
You're well isolated on a small island with a homogeneous population.
You've got a tiny little "old boy" network of a community with common mores and values.
I think that has far more to do with your homicide rate than the presence or lack of presence of guns.
I think that's your "secret to success".
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We have guns. Lots of them!
Just not the ones you can slip into your pocket or purse.
And it's not just about homicide, but all sorts of crime.
And if you ask me, the odd barroom brawl is just as common here as anywhere else. ;)
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Originally posted by Angus
We have guns. Lots of them!
Exactly.
You have a relatively tiny ~300,000 person population and only ~7% of those were born "off island". Heck, Louisville, Kentucky has a population the size of Iceland's.
Ancestry is common, societal mores are common; heck, with a population that small a large part of it is probably related somehow.
Again, your "secret to success" isn't the presence or lack of presence of handguns.
It's that your entire society is very small, of a common fabric, sharing common values and isolated on a small island.
Like I said, you're the equivalent of a "gated community" here; check the crime stats for our gated communities. They're very low. Very low.
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See Rule #2, #5
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Once guns are freely available, there's no way to keep them out of the hands of criminals.
Correction. Once guns are freely available, there's no way to keep them out of the hands of honest citizens. When they are not freely available, only the criminals have them.
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See Rule #2, #5
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doublepost
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Remington 700 PSS 308 with Parker Hale Aluminum bipod, NSX scope. Real tack driver.
L1A1 with a lot of Fed and Cali (at the time) mods. Everything but the upper receiver being changed to new.
SigSauer P220-45 w/Tritium NiteSites, Barstow Stainless barrel.
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See Rule #2
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Originally posted by beet1e
Refer to my account of Qatar ^ where guns are not freely available, and no-one gets shot. Once again, you're falling into the "my perspective" trap.
It's all about the Second Ammendment for us pro-legal gun owning Americans. You don't like our being able to buy guns legally....fine, you've stated that and am glad you have a system you live in as a British citizen that you like.
But you know what? As an American living here in America, I kinda like the ability to buy a gun legally if I choose to.
Perhaps it is you that fail to see.
But then you can always move to Qatar so you can feel more "safe".
After all, by your reasoning, Qatar is "safer" than England because of less gun violence.
Did you stop driving yet? Crossing the street? Get rid of the knives, or other objects that can be used as weapons? Do you smoke? Drink alcohol?
My goodness, how do you sleep at night worrying about possibly being killed?
Oh, since it's all about guns only, go ahead and move to Qatar where you'll be safe. England has more gun violence than Qatar after all.
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Back in Romania, i did a officer school/military service ,during Ceausescu's comunist regim,
we had shooting training in the winter ,was damn cold. I remember we lost 1 (0nly one) empty cartrige , and they keept all of us there until 2nd day to find the cartrige, Was found in the hat of one of the guys, it jumped from MG. They were soo restrictive,cuz that bulet could be ussed to kill Ceausescu,
Stupids comunists,!
But in US is too eassy to get a loaded gun in your hand , (not soo eassy here in Canada)
imop, Gunz and boxes of rounds in "sale ", in Wall Mart, next to "kids toy" is the stupid side democratic freedoms
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...and yet the death toll from guns is a very small one here in the US.
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Originally posted by ghi
Back in Romania, i did a officer school/military service ,during Ceausescu's comunist regim,
we had shooting training in the winter ,was damn cold. I remember we lost 1 (0nly one) empty cartrige , and they keept all of us there until 2nd day to find the cartrige, Was found in the hat of one of the guys, it jumped from MG. They were soo restrictive,cuz that bulet could be ussed to kill Ceausescu,
Stupids comunists,!
But in US is too eassy to get a loaded gun in your hand , (not soo eassy here in Canada)
imop, Gunz and boxes of rounds in "sale ", in Wall Mart, next to "kids toy" is the stupid side democratic freedoms
Yeah freedom is just to much for some to handle so lets just throw away those rights you don't like.
:rolleyes:
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See Rule #5
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Beet's positon on anything is based upon whether or not he wants it/uses it/likes it himself.
As long as the things he wants are available to him, the things other people want are of no importance and can be taken away from them with his cheerful encouragement.
Beet's a dedicated troll, in case there's anyone that hasn't figured that out.
Continue as you see fit.
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Originally posted by Toad
Beet's positon on anything is based upon whether or not he wants it/uses it/likes it himself.
As long as the things he wants are available to him, the things other people want are of no importance and can be taken away from them with his cheerful encouragement.
Beet's a dedicated troll, in case there's anyone that hasn't figured that out.
Continue as you see fit.
Sounds strangly like most 7 year old kids I have been around.
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LOL Toad! I've already said - I have never suggested that Americans be deprived of their gun rights, or be disarmed. And you won't find a thread anywhere on this board where I have. You've got what you want, we've got what we want. Also Bermuda is happy, Iceland is happy, Germany is happy, Japan is happy, Qatar is happy...
Oh wait, are you saying there were Brits who wanted handguns? because whereas I do recall the 1990 poll tax riots, and the 2001 Countryside Alliance march on London in protest at the ban on hunting foxes with hounds, I don't recall any protest in response to the 1997 gun "ban".
But as you're here, please explain to me why a panel of democratically elected politicians has seen fit to ban gun ownership in America's capital city.
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benny hill ..why dont you beat it... dont feed the troll
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Marlin 30-30 lever action deer rifle......and a garden rake.
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The point you continually miss Beet is that it isn't the guns.
If it were, please explain the crime rate in Switzerland wrt to Iceland or GB.
Further, you have never showed any respect for the desires of anyone but yourself. Is your dentist a threat to public safety? Why should he have to go to the Czech Republic to practice his hobby? You don't care a whit, though... your ox isn't being gored.
It's not about lives, either. You don't support banning the most indiscriminate, highest numerical killer in England: alcohol. Tough luck for your fellow citizens that perish due abuse of a beverage YOU happen to like. Can't ban that; Beet would be unhappy. Guess they'll just have to keep on dying.
As for gun banning in DC, it would be most likely because they are knee-jerk, law-passing politicians much like the ones in England after Dunblane/Hungerford. Both were feel good actions that had no statistically significant effect on crime/homicide rates. All they have done is deprive honest people of a simple right (in the case of the US) or pleasure (in the case of England.) Of course, you still support something shown to have no effect whatsoever on homicide rate in England.
So, troll, the bottom line is that you are happy with your situation and tough darts for anyone else that lives where you live that doesn't like it.
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Originally posted by ghi
Back in Romania, i did a officer school/military service ,during Ceausescu's comunist regim,
we had shooting training in the winter ,was damn cold. I remember we lost 1 (0nly one) empty cartrige , and they keept all of us there until 2nd day to find the cartrige, Was found in the hat of one of the guys, it jumped from MG. They were soo restrictive,cuz that bulet could be ussed to kill Ceausescu,
Stupids comunists,!
But in US is too eassy to get a loaded gun in your hand , (not soo eassy here in Canada)
imop, Gunz and boxes of rounds in "sale ", in Wall Mart, next to "kids toy" is the stupid side democratic freedoms
Not really.. ammuntion and guns are locked up and inaccessible to children in every wal-mart i've ever been in. And hockey sticks, bow and arrows, shoes with cleats, baseball bats and all manner of dangerous 'toys' that can kill are readily available in Canada.. or Romania.
PEOPLE kill people. And, they've been doing an outstanding job of it without guns for thousands and thousands of years.
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angus... your friend bought a .45 in OK? So tell me.... How many people has he shot and killed with it so far?
I noticed that you didn't reply to my statement that I could get a handgun in your country in two weeks no problem... I have said the same to beetle... I can get a handgun in england in two weeks no problem.... It would be illegal of course but....
And that is the point... you don't have handguns (visible) being used in crimes because the penalties are high not because they can't be found.
How many murders do you have with rifles and shotguns... how hard is it to saw one off to conceallable size? 15 minutes? Why don't your crooks do that?
I enjoy shooting handguns and I also believe that they are a great defensive tool... It is none of your business. If you try to take em away from me I consider that to be a threat on my life and my human rights.
That is why it is difficult to have a "civil" conversation on it. I do not believe that you have the right to decide what firearms your countrymen are allowed to own. You only have the right to decide what ones you and your dependents can have.
lazs
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See Rule #2
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OOpsie ?!?!
Anyway:
"Like I said, you're the equivalent of a "gated community" here; check the crime stats for our gated communities. They're very low. Very low."
Then you should check our stats from countryside vs city. Murder rate last year..s 0%
Armed robbery 0%.
Armed anything 0%.
Very close to your gated communities I'd say. It always goes worse when people stash together tightly.
But can you still support your belive that adding conceilable firearms to the fray and loosening up on the stiffeness of the government in allowing those necessary gadgets for home protection will lower crime rate? I saw nothing.
And since our country is after all, so "gated", why is the USA still the highest one in capital crime of all the old 1st world nations? They're all "gated" or small I guess....
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Originally posted by Toad
So, troll, the bottom line is that you are happy with your situation and tough darts for anyone else that lives where you live that doesn't like it.
I'm happy with the way things are, WRT gun legislation in GB. I think most people are, or else how do you explain that whilst there was a 400,000+ strong march on London in protest at the ban on hunting foxes with hounds, there was no equivalent wave of protest WRT the ban on handguns? The 1997 ban on handguns was enacted by a democratically elected government. If this piece of legislation went against the core values of the British public at large, how then do you explain that the government that passed it was reelected in 2001, and again in 2005?
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They're not homogeneous societies like yours, they don't have the population of a small city like yours, they aren't isolated on a small island like yours, the population has a smaller number of blood relatives than yours.....
...... significant differences.
VERY significant differences.
Iceland is an isolated, unique situation.
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Originally posted by Curval
See Rule #2
Curvy, I'm dissapointed in you. You're not the type gets sencured...cencured...censure d...yer hand slapped fer bein out of line. Shape up there mister.
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Originally posted by beet1e
there was no equivalent wave of protest WRT the ban on handguns?
If you were a member of the Countryside Alliance at that time, you'd have been advised NOT to protest as their leadership felt they had best take a very low profile in order not to risk losing ALL guns.
Englishman have no 2nd Amendment, so knee-jerk, meaningless political reactions can remove handguns as legal posessions.
The fact that the banning made absolutely no difference in homicide statistics is probably lost on the sheeple/electorate. It seems lost on you at least.
I have no input to your politics or laws, nor would I care to have any. Pass any law you like; I just think it's pretty stupid to ban something to no effect and then crow about it.
Oh...and they'll come for your particular vices sooner or later. Alcohol can't be far behind as a threat to public safety.
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Originally posted by slimm50
Curvy, I'm dissapointed in you. You're not the type gets sencured...cencured...censure d...yer hand slapped fer bein out of line. Shape up there mister.
lol
I'm a bad bad person.:t
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Originally posted by Toad
They're not homogeneous societies like yours, they don't have the population of a small city like yours, they aren't isolated on a small island like yours, the population has a smaller number of blood relatives than yours.....
...... significant differences.
VERY significant differences.
Iceland is an isolated, unique situation.
Yup. Very isolated. But still a group of humans. Cut 'em off from food and water, remove or marginilize the police / civil authority.
Betcha they discover the value of a gun.
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Lord of the Flies.
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Originally posted by Toad
If you were a member of the Countryside Alliance at that time, you'd have been advised NOT to protest as their leadership felt they had best take a very low profile in order not to risk losing ALL guns.
The countryside alliance march had nothing to do with guns. It was in protest at the ban on hunting foxes with hounds. Like I said (more than once) there WAS no protest at the gun "ban". Can you say... nonissue?The fact that the banning made absolutely no difference in homicide statistics is probably lost on the sheeple/electorate. It seems lost on you at least.
I am already on record on this board as having said that the gun "ban" (and I use quotes because it wasn't really a ban) made little change - in fact the words I used originally were "bugger all difference". The 1997 legislation was passed because the govt. feared that if it did nothing and there was another atrocity like Dunblane, they would get the blame. Oh...and they'll come for your particular vices sooner or later. Alcohol can't be far behind as a threat to public safety.
I think it's time you paid another visit to Britain in order to keep up with the times. The opposite of what you said is true, and we now have 24 hour drinking. Of course, licensed premises don't have to stay open 24 hours, but it's nice that the pub stays open till midnight on a Friday instead of 11pm.
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Originally posted by Toad
If you were a member of the Countryside Alliance at that time, you'd have been advised NOT to protest as their leadership felt they had best take a very low profile in order not to risk losing ALL guns.
Ahhh... the Countryside Alliance. Yes, they WOULD have all been out there protesting but they were afraid. lol
Just how many members did they have in 1997...the year they were FOUNDED?
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Yep, I was wrong there; had my dates mixed up.
They were founded after the law passed.
I'm sure you can't see THAT as a reaction to such a pointless law.
In any event the present gun owners I've talked to in England offered the sentiment I mentioned above.
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South African style stock
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Here's how far it's gone in England; the police have decided to proceed with prosecution of these two ladies. The people concerned were on private land over which there were rights of way for the public.
It's posted on a Gun Dog board I visit and readers are encouraged to "pass it on".
I think it serves as a wonderful reminder of the law of unitended consequences and of the inflexible idiocy of the government.
Dear All
A situation has arisen in the Hertfordshire Area that I believe all Gundog members should be made aware of and one that could have serious implications for the manner in which gundogs are trained in the future.
On 29th January 2006 two ladies, Jacqui Crew and Sue Jones, went to Symmonshyde Woods near Hatfield to train their gundogs. Prior to doing so they contacted the local farmer and sought his permission to go to the woods for this purpose. That permission was readily granted.
They took with them dummies and a starting pistol and during the afternoon gave their dogs a number of retrieves.
They were approached by two local police officers who immediately seized the starting pistol and informed them that they were being reported for their possession of the starting pistol. According to the ladies the officers were brusque and aggressive towards them and refused to listen to any explanation. When the ladies telephoned the farmer using their mobile in the presence of the officers they refused to speak to him.
They were clearly shocked and upset by what had happened and wrote to the local Chief Superintendent complaining about the actions of his officers and demanding the return of the starting pistol. They did not receive any response, indeed the letter was not even acknowledged.
Within the last few days they have both received through the post a summonse to appear at Hatfield Magistrates Court next Wednesday. The offence is:
On Sunday 29th January 2006 at Hatfield without lawful
authority or reasonable excuse had with you in a public place,
namely the Public Picnic Area, Symmondshyde Wood,
Hammond Lane, Hatfield an imitation firearm revolver.
Contrary to Section 19 The Firearms Act 1968.
The receipt of this summonse has come as a terrible shock to both of them and they have sought and obtained legal advice. The case will be adjourned this coming week until September in order that they can mount a vigorous defence to the charge.
There are two major issues that I see in this case, the first is the status of the land upon which the training was taking place. The two ladies clearly believed that they were on private land hence they had asked permission to be there. The second and more worrying aspect is the starting pistol being interpreted as ‘an imitation firearm’ in these circumstances. I do not believe that parliament envisaged this section of the Act being used against two ladies training their gundogs on a Sunday afternoon.
I am concerned about the outcome of this case for Jacqui and Sue but I also feel the implications for every Club or Society in the country could be far reaching. Most of the people that I know that train dogs often use a starting pistol to do so. Everyone needs to be aware of this case so I would ask you to communicate it to as many as you can.
If anyone had experienced similar situations can you let me know in order that I can pass it to the defence representative.
The Kennel Club and BASC have also been informed.
And just so you know that not ALL Brits think like Beet, here's a comment that sounds as if common sense is still alive in England.
Well, I shall carry on using mine and chance a spell in clink.
I'm sick of living in a society that picks on the innocent and law abiding because it is too incompetent to deal with those who are a real threat.
We are awash with petty laws supposedly to protect our freedoms and liberty, which in reality are conducting a war of attrition against those very things.
Real guns are very frightening - and I speak from experience, having nursed patients (under police protection )who have been shot.
I live in a city with a rather unfortunate reputation for gun crime. But I will always fight for the right to pursue hobbies/sports/interests etc in a law abiding manner.
The spirit of the law is as important as the letter of it. Jeff is right - common sense is not all that common - but it is still legal - at the moment. This case is spectacular in its stupidity. Its our taxes that are being wasted yet again.
And that's from a woman.
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"Blessed are the Peacemakers...but you must rest the hammer on an empty chamber."
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Originally posted by Shuckins
"Blessed are the Peacemakers...but you must rest the hammer on an empty chamber."
"God made man...Sam Colt made them equal."
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Threads like this always start out soooo cool. I would love to post my arsenal but what’s the point.
If you like guns why feed the same people over and over. It’s always the same argument. It gets so old I never even trudge through these anymore.
If you hate guns/disagree with the current U.S. position on them. Then stay out of the thread. There is no point in posting from either side, its not like anyone is going to change anyone’s position.
Now, back to the arsenal!
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Mostly shotguns, but rifles and handguns as well.
Currently in the process of adding a 20 Ga O/U.
(http://www.skbshotguns.com/images/fixed%20comb.jpg)
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This is a easy one for me. All my gun's are browning's. The one I like the best is my 270 safari with a boss system on it.The 300 mag is next on the list don't have that one yet.
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HK USP .45
Benelli M1 Super 90 12ga
Russian SKS
Bulgarian SLR 90
Lee Enfield bolt action .303
Ruger 10/22 Delux (Bought way back before Ruger became a bad man)
2005 PSE Primos with NRG Hybrid cams and 60-70lb limbs
2004 PSE Spyder Rimfire with 60-70lb limbs
200? PSE Nova (pawn shop special)
64" Oak long bow.
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Its not my entire arsenal and I have posted this pic before but it fits the thread. This was the last time I had them out and lined up for a photo Opp.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/kevykev/GunLineup005.jpg)
Thats only a dozen, I have over 50 long guns. Too many to list :D
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For the most part, Hangtime is correct.
But it wasn't the bow that was the death of the heavily armored Knights, it was the gun. A bow could not pierce a piece of standard armor, except for the PERFECT shot. Hitting right at the point where it wouldn't deflect in any direction but would pierce because it has nothing else to do.
The Knights of that time were more worried about joints and their infantrymen then anything else. It was only bad luck that an arrow would bounce off the armor, but catch a weakpoint at the joint.
Second generation guns could easily penetrate ANY armor. It got to the point where every armor maker would test his armor with a pistol at extremely close range. Every piece of armor sold would have a dent in it from the test firing of a pistol. If the pistol penetrated the armor, the armor was scrapped.
Anyway, the centuries of Bowmen militia was perfectly mirrored to the american militia of riflemen. Just like the Bowmen, every single american back then knew how to use a rifle, and how to use it accurately. This gave us a byproduct that we had (somewhat) effective soldiers when needed. It's just that it wasn't (necessarily) mandated that we know how to use firearms. It just came from the lifestyle.
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I left for lunch a bit ago, drove 5 minutes to "A Gun Store". 5 minutes of paperwork, a few minute phone call on the background check, and a few more to run my credit card through... walked out with one of these:
(http://www.lipseys.com/eImages/Ta85B2.jpg)
Taurus 85B2. 5rd .38, 2" barrel.
It's my girlfriend's birthday present. Was kinda hard to find something that will actually fit in one of her purses. :huh $325 new, tax & everything. Now I've just gotta get her signed up for concealed carry class, and she's ready to go.
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This one is done.