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Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Sandman on May 18, 2006, 06:17:53 PM: I saw these at work. They are the joysticks that they use for testing flight software, etc.

http://hirevsims.com

(http://hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/fstjet/f18s03.jpg)

(http://hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/fstjet/f18s002.jpg)

(http://hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/fstjet/f18cdt02.jpg)

(http://hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/fstjet/f18cdt001.jpg)

I bet they're expensive as all hell.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: DiabloTX on May 18, 2006, 06:46:34 PM: Nice.

But you know, Shane only needs a mouse and a keyboard, right? ;)
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: LePaul on May 18, 2006, 06:53:11 PM: ...and no vox
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: DiabloTX on May 18, 2006, 07:05:37 PM: Quote
Originally posted by LePaul
...and no vox

Thank God.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: RTSigma on May 18, 2006, 07:07:01 PM: Does it have to look like a noodle? I mean, I have enough phallic symbols on my desk already!
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: DREDIOCK on May 18, 2006, 07:10:00 PM: Thats PERFECT!
thats EXACTLY what I'm looking for

Ok how much and where can I get one?
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: DiabloTX on May 18, 2006, 07:13:32 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RTSigma
Does it have to look like a noodle? I mean, I have enough phallic symbols on my desk already!

:huh
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Lord ReDhAwK on May 18, 2006, 07:17:37 PM: Hey IT,

Those are gameport connectors from the stick to throttle (pictured.) If you are running xp you will not be able to use them as they are DOS driven. Same problem we old CH Gameport users run into :(

I have an old stick that looks remarkably like that one. It is an old Suncom Raptor. It was gameport as well. I used to love that stick prior to my CH. Hehe, felt "good in the palm."

ReDhAwK
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Vulcan on May 18, 2006, 07:46:26 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lord ReDhAwK
Those are gameport connectors from the stick to throttle (pictured.)

No they are not gameport connections.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: brendo on May 18, 2006, 07:49:19 PM: they look like old school serial type connectors actually.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: ChickenHawk on May 18, 2006, 08:17:00 PM: Looks exactly like my old Thrustmaster F-15 stick. I'd still be using it if the hat switches were 8-way.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: SOB on May 18, 2006, 08:20:14 PM: ThrustMaster F15 stick?
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: AquaShrimp on May 18, 2006, 08:28:55 PM: The X-52s throttle is at least as good as that. Unfortunately, the stick itself is horrible (X-52).
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Edbert1 on May 18, 2006, 08:34:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RTSigma

Does it have to look like a noodle?

Dude! Loosen your grip already, you're squeezing it WAY too hard!
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: DREDIOCK on May 18, 2006, 08:34:50 PM: Quote
Originally posted by AquaShrimp
The X-52s throttle is at least as good as that. Unfortunately, the stick itself is horrible (X-52).

Noticed the same thing.
In checking it out at a store, the throttle I like.
Not real keen on the stick though.
Seems too flimsy
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Sandman on May 18, 2006, 08:44:28 PM: The pics above are F/A-18C stick and throttle. Here's the F15 stick:

(http://hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/fstjet/f15e01.jpg)

Check out the rudder pedals:

(http://hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/rudped/dtrudped/dskrp02.jpg)
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: SOB on May 18, 2006, 08:46:33 PM: Quote
Originally posted by AquaShrimp
The X-52s throttle is at least as good as that. Unfortunately, the stick itself is horrible (X-52).

That's 'cause they only copied the throttle design from ThrustMaster...the stick they designed themselves. ;)

I'd take that split throttle over an X-52 or a TQS any day though.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on May 18, 2006, 09:15:13 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Lord ReDhAwK
Hey IT,

Those are gameport connectors from the stick to throttle (pictured.) If you are running xp you will not be able to use them as they are DOS driven. Same problem we old CH Gameport users run into :(

I have an old stick that looks remarkably like that one. It is an old Suncom Raptor. It was gameport as well. I used to love that stick prior to my CH. Hehe, felt "good in the palm."

ReDhAwK

CH analog gear works just fine in XP.

The connectors look like D-25 old time serial port connectors or parallel port. Definitely too big for 15 pin gameport connections.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Vulcan on May 18, 2006, 09:15:36 PM: Quote
Originally posted by brendo
they look like old school serial type connectors actually.

Website says serial and USB... hmmmm :) USB....
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Sandman on May 18, 2006, 09:18:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Vulcan
Website says serial and USB... hmmmm :) USB....

Winner!
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: AWMac on May 18, 2006, 10:21:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RTSigma
Does it have to look like a noodle? I mean, I have enough phallic symbols on my desk already!

P3NIS ENVY?

Ghey.... Broke Back Joystick heh.

:confused:
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: rpm on May 18, 2006, 11:00:09 PM: Quote
Originally posted by AquaShrimp
The X-52s throttle is at least as good as that. Unfortunately, the stick itself is horrible (X-52).
The X52 stick is too big on top. 4 buttons, 2 hat switches and a rotary spread out too far to use with ease. Things start going wrong when you try to switch views in a rudder turn. I've unintentionally dropped ord more than once doing that.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: DREDIOCK on May 19, 2006, 01:20:57 AM: Am I the only one that gets suspicious when I see the words
"call ***-***-**** for pricing?

Why not just put the flippin price on the page?

bet they'd sell alot more that way too
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Sandman on May 19, 2006, 01:25:35 AM: I'm not sure they're interested. These sticks aren't built for gaming. Probably one of those, "If you have to ask, it's too much for you" kind of things.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Wmaker on May 19, 2006, 01:42:50 AM: Seriously wow!

Damn...of course they are many reasons why those are like they are and normal consumer products are like they are. As I'm strugling with dying pots myself right now...damn I wish normal pc joysticks would be like that!
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Nilsen on May 19, 2006, 03:46:27 AM: I want this:

(http://hirevsims.com/aces03.jpg)

Quickest way to get away from wife-ack
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: aztec on May 19, 2006, 04:31:55 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Lord ReDhAwK
Hey IT,

Those are gameport connectors from the stick to throttle (pictured.) If you are running xp you will not be able to use them as they are DOS driven. Same problem we old CH Gameport users run into :(

I have an old stick that looks remarkably like that one. It is an old Suncom Raptor. It was gameport as well. I used to love that stick prior to my CH. Hehe, felt "good in the palm."

ReDhAwK

Ahhh but they will work in XP...spent a year asking questions researching and going without AH until I stumbled assfirst into away to get Speedkeys and CH gear to function in XP.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Edbert1 on May 19, 2006, 05:43:28 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Wmaker
As I'm strugling with dying pots myself right now...damn I wish normal pc joysticks would be like that!

Look into the use of hall sensors. I have them in my Uber-II-NXT modded Cougar.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Lord ReDhAwK on May 19, 2006, 05:56:43 AM: Quote
Originally posted by aztec
Ahhh but they will work in XP...spent a year asking questions researching and going without AH until I stumbled assfirst into away to get Speedkeys and CH gear to function in XP.

Well share the wealth man! I have tried everything I can find and havent been able to get it to work correctly.

ReDhAwK :rolleyes:
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Reschke on May 19, 2006, 08:50:57 AM: These guys came out with one a couple of years ago that was a direct copy of the Cougar. Then there was a guy posting on the frugalsworld forums about getting them (those shown here in the pictures) built for gaming uses but supposedly the man who runs HIREV wasn't going to do it if people started fussing about the products.

Read this thread and make your own opinions.

http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=82917
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Sandman on May 19, 2006, 09:55:42 AM: $1800 for an F/A-18 HOTAS.

:eek:
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Cthen on May 19, 2006, 10:20:58 AM: Quote
Ahhh but they will work in XP...spent a year asking questions researching and going without AH until I stumbled assfirst into away to get Speedkeys and CH gear to function in XP.

Care to share Aztec? I have a perfectly good CH analog stick throttle and pedals collecting dust.

Cthen

post/pm or email me ... xcthen@gmail.com

thanks
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: ChickenHawk on May 19, 2006, 10:50:08 AM: Quote
Originally posted by SOB
ThrustMaster F15 stick?

Hmmm, now that I think back on it, it probably is a Suncom. Got it packed away and can't easily get to it. What ever it is, they don't make many that sturdy anymore.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Westy on May 19, 2006, 11:29:24 AM: "I have a perfectly good CH analog stick throttle and pedals collecting dust."

Ditto :( After nbot being able to use my CH gear I bought the X45 and throttle but it hasn't cut the mustard. If I could use Speedkeys and my old CH analog gear with XP it would be wonderful.
The only two means I discovered for doing that were a dual boot system (Win98Se on another partition but I already have XP running programs I don't want screwed up with so I haven't tried that) and the other method was the XP "boot disk" which did not work for me. My gear (Pro Throttle and F6 fighterstick) is not recognixed at all. Bring it to a Win98 machine and it is. Go figure....

http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/index.php?showforum=27
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: aztec on May 19, 2006, 04:02:32 PM: OK folks....due to a work injury and the resulting fixed income I have been unable to upgrade to USB gear. After considerable research I discovered some people were building dual boot systems and flyinh on 9x.
I decided to try it, (nothin to lose).

I built a 10 gig partion on my HD and put 98SE on it. Then installed XP on the remaining 30 gigs. (I don't want to go into too much detail about dual boot systems as probably alot of you already know about it and that info is readily available by searching here or at the CH Hangar. Will be happy to share what I've learned on the subject if anyone is interested though). The KEY thing here is XP, with the NTFS file system can read the Fat32 file system of 98 but not vice versa.

Anyway...this went slicker than Owl poop, but 98 would not recognize the existence of a stick no matter what I tried. Well I frustratedly decided to try once again to fly AH using XP and just my stick and keyboard, (which sucks). When I went offline and tried to fly all the sudden my XP keymap was acting strange....reason was, even though I was in XP, without Speedkeys even installed on XP, it was reading my Speedkeys files from Win98. Yeefarkinghaaaa!

So all ya gotta do is build a dual boot system, can use a seperate HD if you want or can partition. Install 98, or ME First!!!, then XP. Install Speedkeys on 98. The only time you have to boot to 98 is to edit Speedkeys.

This was a cosmic accident but it works.
One thing I'd do different, (and will at some point)....you certainly don't need a 10 gig partition to install a bare bones Win98 but I had to planned to play AH on it as well. All you need on the 98 side is Speedkeys.

Sure hope this helps, GL! and !

PS Hiya Edbert and Westy!! Long time no see old friends. Good to see some old farts still around. :) BTW Westy, the XP boot disk would not work for me either....as I have said I went without my AH fix for a year because I just could not get comfortable using just my stick and keyboard.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Westy on May 22, 2006, 07:16:10 AM: Thank you Aztec!! I really appreciate your taking the time to explain what you did. And it is good to see you still about in these parts too :)

~~Westy~~
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: Edbert1 on May 22, 2006, 07:20:22 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Westy
And it is good to see you still about in these parts too :)

Ditto aztec! Although I'll accept the old fart moniker mine have not turned to dust like other old farts from back in those days. Not to name names but...Dago!
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Post by: Gunslinger on May 22, 2006, 04:50:36 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Nilsen
I want this:

Quickest way to get away from wife-ack

You do realize that those are EXTREMELY uncomfortable to sit in. The padding is only about 1/2" thick if that. Not to mention a live one will make you experience 14Gs strait up. You will crap your pants right before you pass out and wake up right before you land in a pile of your own self defication?

AND I don't care what eagl says the...the way the seat is reclined in the F16 is WAY more comfortable than the F15 (wich is only about 15 degrees or less of tilt) Give me a computer chair any day of the week. Hell give me a lazyboy with built in keyboard and HOTAS.

:aok
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: SOB on May 22, 2006, 08:13:50 PM: "Hell give me a lazyboy with built in keyboard and HOTAS."

:)

(http://www.matthoffman.us/dl/front-sticks.jpg)
(http://www.matthoffman.us/dl/bottom.jpg)

The box on the bottom houses an 8" sub. :D It looks quite a bit more used now after five or six years, but i'm thinking about getting it re-upholstered.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: aztec on May 23, 2006, 03:10:51 PM: Hello again Edbert and Westy, you guys are welcome and it was my pleasure! BTW laughed my bellybutton off Edbert, you didn't name the same person I wouldn't have named either. Dang...he's gotta be 115 by now don't he?:p , ~~! guys....even Dago.;)~~
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Post by: slimm50 on May 23, 2006, 03:45:28 PM: Someone tell me what Aztec said.
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: slimm50 on May 23, 2006, 03:46:50 PM: LOL, SOB.:D
Title: Now THIS is a flight stick
Post by: aztec on May 23, 2006, 04:08:44 PM: Quote
Originally posted by slimm50
Someone tell me what Aztec said.

LOL...sorry, was in a hurry. Read Edberts last post Slimm, might help.