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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Boroda on May 19, 2006, 12:32:21 PM
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http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20060517-082707-8587r.htm
It's an absolutely astonishing article. It really opened my eyes on evil intentions or Russian colonisators! Poor, poor Georgian people!
I must be frank and say that this article contains truth.
"Russia's withholding oil and natural gas from its neighbors was unacceptable."
Sure, it's unacceptable that Russians don't want to sponsor terrorist-supporters and pro-Western clowns.
"Several months ago, Russia banned all wine from Georgia. More than 97 percent of Georgian wine was sold to Russia. "
(this is partially untrue. In fact Georgia exported 400% of it's wine production to Russian Federation)
"Calling home to my brother and family, I receive more bad news every day. There is no economy. Unemployment is high."
Exactly, that's why there are almost a million Georgians working in Moscow only.
"Last week, the Russian government also prohibited importing Georgian bottled spring water -- arguably the best in the world, but I'm biased -- sending the economy even deeper into depression. "
Sure, 0.3% of Georgian exports were fake mineral water, made of best mineral fertilizers, sold to Russia. Probably it was the last straw that broke the camel's back. Now they will all starve, muahahahaha!
" I grew up under communism and its harsh, vicelike grip on my country. Drinking Coca-Cola was prohibited. Watching Hollywood movies might land you 12 years in a Siberian gulag. Reading Alexander Solzhenitsyn? You might as well drink arsenic the next morning and get it over with. "
It's really eye-opening! Damn, we had Coke in stores in Msk sometimes since 1980, it was rare, USSR had a contract with Pepsi instead. Watching Holliwood movies in theatres wasn't punished, you had to pay 70 kopeykas for an evening show, that's all. Solzhenitsin's best works were published in 1960s. Maybe Georgia had it's own laws in Soviet times? I didn't notice it visiting Georgian Black Sea coast every year or so. I think that guy really needed to drinc some poison when he was a kid.
"Cars stopping in the night; KGB officers in black leather coats branding Kalashnikovs, taking innocent people away in the dark. "
Georgian wine probably contains LSD or other halluciogenes. I agree, it was a right decision to ban it.
"My grandfather was executed in the Soviet Union during Stalin's reign of terror. Do gambling-crazed, oil-rich, nightclub hopping Russian citizens really yearn for their ignoble past?"
Hmm, wasn't Stalin a Georgian?... Maybe we should send a bill to Georgia for all his crimes?...
I don't feel like I am oil-rich or gambling-crazed. I do yearn for the past when there were no such hallucinations in media, and we could drink real Georgian wine instead of ersatz they try to sell now.
In 1799 Georgian king begged on his knees (real quote from his message to Russian Emperor) to be allowed to join Russian Empire. An act of charity pushed the Empire into a 50-years war, that still flames from time to time. Maybe it could be better to leave them alone and let them be slaughtered by Persians and Turks...?
Do you, Americans, take this clowns seriously? Or maybe your leaders do?
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Reread this line:
In fact Georgia exported 400% of it's wine production to Russian Federation
And ask yourself how you expect anyone on this board to ever take you seriously again.
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I first met Vice President Dick Cheney two weeks ago at a crowded party. When he found out I was from the Republic of Georgia, he said, "What can I do for you?" I answered quickly: "Defend my country from Russia."
We talked about the fact Russia was muscling the former Soviet countries in Eastern Europe, Ukraine, the Baltic States and Kazakhstan. On the eve of his five-day trip to Eastern Europe and Central Asia, Mr. Cheney told me the United States would do its best to encourage democracy and freedom in the post-Soviet era. He knew how millions of people were suffering under a modern version of the "Iron Curtain."
In his speech in Vilnius last week, the vice president voiced the harshest criticism of Russia from a U.S. official since Cold War ended. Russia's withholding oil and natural gas from its neighbors was unacceptable. "Tools of intimidation," he said. And of course Moscow denied it.
But the vice president is correct. Russia is bent on punishing several post-Soviet countries, struggling with their infant democracies but determined to conduct a free and open society.
Russia is trying to break the back of freedom with economic sanctions bordering on the bizarre. Several months ago, Russia banned all wine from Georgia. More than 97 percent of Georgian wine was sold to Russia.
The Russian government claimed the world-famous wine -- of which I consumed my fair share over the years -- was tainted, a ridiculous excuse at best. (Imagine the East Coast banning California Chardonnay.) Desperate winemakers in Georgia are scrambling to find international buyers, and the economy has already taken a direct hit. Which is, of course, what the Russian government wanted all along.
Calling home to my brother and family, I receive more bad news every day. There is no economy. Unemployment is high. Russia is strangling my country for one reason: America backs the Georgian people and its decision to become a democracy.
Last week, the Russian government also prohibited importing Georgian bottled spring water -- arguably the best in the world, but I'm biased -- sending the economy even deeper into depression.
This winter, Russia cut off gas and oil supplies to both Georgia and Ukraine. How many innocent Europeans suffered for that act, universally condemned as a cruel form of blackmail?
Russia is a bully, punishing its smaller neighbors with gross pettiness and petulant behavior. President Vladimir Putin -- who is well educated -- needs to take control. Many people assume he is a strong leader within the Kremlin. But in fact, he is not. The ultranationalists, led by head of the liberal union Vladimir Zhirinovski, the corrupt, homophobic, billionaire Moscow Mayor Yuri Lushzkov and leftist, the so-called "Black General" Albert Makashov, as well as the head of the Communist Party in Russia Genadi Zuganov are behind the crackdown on democracies, even inside the country.
They dream of restoring the Soviet Union to all its crumbling, dysfunctional glory. They dream of seeing the United States under a red flag (seriously). Communism is a latent virus in Eastern Europe, but forces are bent on seeing it become active again. (Why else would Moscow reward the corrupt dictatorship in Belarus and punish others who don't fall in line?) In Washington, Russian ambassador Yuri Ushakov -- a talented diplomat -- is bewildered by the recent turn of events. He told me last week during a daylong seminar with American-Russian business leaders at the Russian Embassy, that he doesn't understand the chauvinism of a few select politicians. He is of course, of a younger generation, as am I.
I grew up under communism and its harsh, vicelike grip on my country. Drinking Coca-Cola was prohibited. Watching Hollywood movies might land you 12 years in a Siberian gulag. Reading Alexander Solzhenitsyn? You might as well drink arsenic the next morning and get it over with.
A schoolmate of mine showed up one day in a pair of new Nike sneakers. For the next three weeks, he was mysteriously absent from school. The local police took him in for days of questioning. What connections did his family have in America to send him such a decadent present?
Torturing journalists. Killing opposition voices. I remember listening to the Soviet-scrambled Voice of America in a musty, dank basement, afraid we would go to jail. Cars stopping in the night; KGB officers in black leather coats branding Kalashnikovs, taking innocent people away in the dark. My own mother and father were arrested for something I had written against the government, and taken to jail. They let my mother go but kept my father in a cell with dozens of other prisoners forced to sleep standing up. He died of a heart attack a week later.
My grandfather was executed in the Soviet Union during Stalin's reign of terror. Do gambling-crazed, oil-rich, nightclub hopping Russian citizens really yearn for their ignoble past?
I was amazed the other day watching Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld field questions about Iraq, and watching protesters politely escorted out of the hall. In my day, they would have been executed in two hours as traitors by the Troika.
After my talk with Mr. Cheney, I was relieved to discover he knew what to do. I applaud his recent visit to Lithuania and standing up to the Russians. And I often wonder what became of that criminal pair of Nikes.
Tsotne Bakuria is a former member of the Georgian Parliament and visiting scholar at George Washington University.
yup. so bizarre. so common too. we utter such palaver. we're sumg. and all that is there can happen here. i hope not. but to say it's so improbable that to seriously consider it is silly, doesn't jive.
hap
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
And ask yourself how you expect anyone on this board to ever take you seriously again.
I thought it's obvious. Most of the crap they export to Russia is cheap fake, made of ethanol, water, sugar, lemon acid and artificial colour. I didn't see real Georgian wine anywhere except some Georgian restaurants for maybe 10 years. That's why this "wines" got banned. I prefer wine from Cyprus, or Southern Russia (Kuban').
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How can you export 400% of something?
:huh
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Georgia? kuba? Russia?
You would think they would be able to make a decent red wine...
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Originally posted by Stang
How can you export 400% of something?
:huh
You probably don't know that in early-90s Estonia held the first place as a world's biggest Titanium exporter. Before the border with that former Republic was set - they made lots of money on "exporting" metals stolen and smuggled from Russia.
It's a fact that Georgia exports to Russia more wine then they produce. They use progressive modern technology of producing "wine" from wood-spirit.
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Originally posted by Boroda
It's a fact that Georgia exports to Russia more wine then they produce. They use progressive modern technology of producing "wine" from wood-spirit.
:rofl
silly russians... something must have got lost in translation between Wine and Pine
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wine whine
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Boroda is the son of a high-ranking soviet army official and he wonders why he never saw the horrors of ordinary people living under the iron curtain. :rofl
SOME had it good back then.. no wonder he wants it all back. :t
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Actually managed to try Georgian wine the last time I was over there. Tasted like I swallowed battery acid and 1/2 a lb of salt at the same time.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Boroda is the son of a high-ranking soviet army official and he wonders why he never saw the horrors of ordinary people living under the iron curtain. :rofl
SOME had it good back then.. no wonder he wants it all back. :t
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Never never contradict boroda when it comes to booze. He is the all knowing about it, just ask him, or wait for him to tell you anyhow. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Stang
How can you export 400% of something?
:huh
Commie math.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Commie math.
:lol
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Heh Broda yer biggest threat is from China.... they have you right where they want you...
Russia died years ago... under Putin it dies even more day by day.
Russia used to be a Contender in the World but now they are just drunk Russians fighting to hold on to the lil stuff they had before.
Russia died with Andropav... Gorbie and now Putin... The last strong Russian Leader was Brez.
America no longer has the fear of Russia, but you need to watch your back... China could run you over.
"Na zdorovje"
~tick-tock~
Mac
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Did Gergians not tryed to kill their president few times tho?
I believe he lives in Germany now.
Well anyway,they wanted independence,they got it.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Heh Broda yer biggest threat is from China.... they have you right where they want you...
Russia died years ago... under Putin it dies even more day by day.
Russia used to be a Contender in the World but now they are just drunk Russians fighting to hold on to the lil stuff they had before.
Russia died with Andropav... Gorbie and now Putin... The last strong Russian Leader was Brez.
America no longer has the fear of Russia, but you need to watch your back... China could run you over.
"Na zdorovje"
~tick-tock~
Mac
Russia has seen much worse days:)BTW Brezhnev could berely speak,lol.
I dont even think that HE ran the country.True about Chine tho,it is scary.
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Boroda is the son of a high-ranking soviet army official and he wonders why he never saw the horrors of ordinary people living under the iron curtain. :rofl
SOME had it good back then.. no wonder he wants it all back. :t
Funny. I don't understand what lead you to such conclusion. My Father is a retired colonel, definetly a "comrade Colonel", but not a big brass-hat.
Horrors under iron curtain? What surprises me is that the guy speaks utter nonsence, about "KGB wearing leather coats and carrying Kalashnikovs". I wonder how he didn't mention white bears in the streets.
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I wouldn't presume to step into a disagreement between a Georgian & a Russian on how it was in the U.S.S.R. but it seems 99% of the Russian population that had access to media outlets said it was exactly the way the Georgian described it.
Of course, I think if Russia & the U.S. were smart; they'd get together & do something about China before it's too late. I would rather split the world between the U.S. & Russia & face off against each other in a cold war fashion again, at least you knew where you stood; any nonsense between other countries in the realm of influence of one or the other of the superpowers got stopped by one of them before it flared out of proportion.
We could just do it with a sly wink & a smile behind closed doors, no one even has to know.