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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JimBeam on May 20, 2006, 10:52:02 PM
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Ok im getting a little fed up with all the complaining about the spit16's and how they should be perked. Its a great plane all around but in my personal opinion it doesnt have any characteristics that are so superior that it should be perked. I flew it abit when it first came out just like everyone else I dont fly it anymore because its to easy for me to kill 16s with my spit8 o doom:), and I hate being killed by 16s just as bad as anyone one else. The spit16 is a great plane its marvel of british fiter design, but it no way should it be perked, so enough of the camplaining besides you could be using that time spent complaining to practice not getting shoot down:)
I would like some feed back on the post to see if im the only one who fells this way.
Beamer
THROUGH THE LIPS OVER THE TONGUE LOOK OUT STOMACH BECUASE HERE SHE COMES!
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ack-ack
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lol ack ack yeah i kinda set myself up i know
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Yup, you'll get some "feedback" allright.
I agree in a way, I think if they perk the 16 they should un-perk the 14 & I like the 14 a lot. I don't really care for the 16 though, I'd rather fly the seafire.
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id rather fly my spit 5er ... but well with its ammo and boost porked ... its seafire for me too ...
the 16 out performs the 14 the perking should be reversed ... IMRO
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I think, and this is just my guess. I believe most that want the 16, lala and the such perked is due to over usage more than it's uberness. I think the ones that complain would like to fight other planes besides just the 16, LALA, NIKI's all the time.
I have no problem fighting those planes, but it sure gets old everywhere ya go, 90% of the planes are 16's and LALAs.
Plus I don't see why so many get upset about perking a plane. Why give perk points out if you never use them. I fly the CHog alot and if I die a few times I up a Mossy or P40. Go get 2-3 kills and I earn 15 perks or more which is enough for another CHog.
I understand all those that argue it's my $15 bucks let me do what ever. But on the flip side it's also my $15 and the CHog is perked and it's one plane I like to fly, but I don't whine that it's perked, I just deal with it. But like I said, I don't see the big deal in perking planes that get over used. It would keep the game more interesting for me if i was able to fight (or should say die) by a larger variaty of planes other than the same old stuff.
just my .02 cents. Not that it really matters.
:D
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Perk all the spits but the Mk I. That should stop the whines. Right? :)
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Perk everything RAF that's post-1930. That should take care of this problem of people having to fly the plane of their choice against other people flying the plane of their choice.
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
id rather fly my spit 5er ... but well with its ammo and boost porked ... its seafire for me too ...
the 16 out performs the 14 the perking should be reversed ... IMRO
Comparing planes for use at two different alt ranges.
Not much to choose between them up to around 20k, after that the XIV takes the lead and never looks back.
Just unfortunate all the MA fights are low alt, exactly what the XVI was desinged for. If they were 20k and up the XIV would hold the advantage.
Remember neither are at their max boost used in WWII.
XIV should get 21lbs to justify its perk cost.
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when i see a spit16, nik, P51 or an la7 in my sector i usually thank the lord for sending me free kills.
when i see a 5k FM2 or 109F heading right for me i know im in for trouble.
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Spit 16 is just too uber of a plane. In one flight, I won a 7v1 in a spit 16 and then a 3v1. Being able to win a 7v1 alone in it should not happen.
Flew it yesterday as was defending a base pretty much by myself against 4 from a cv. It was a 4v1; 2 zekes, a hog, and a seafire, and I still won that.
That plane deserves to what it can do. Plane can basically hover, has good guns, speed, ROC, great turning ability, great roll rate, and overrall not too many planes can outmove it.
Hell people usually complained about la7s before the spit 16 came out and a spit 16 can own a la7 hands down.
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Everything is situational. I kill spit 16's in seafires, la7, p51, and err... well whatever I fly. How is this possible? Because alot of ppl fly them is all. It is a good ride, but it's not something that is the 'best'.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Flew it yesterday as was defending a base pretty much by myself against 4 from a cv.
One of the best uses for the plane I think.
Perk the Mossie!!:noid
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The B 17 and B 26 can win in those odds too. Does that mean they're finally getting perked?
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when ever a b17 or b26 has a roll rate, climb rate and speed like a spit16, and is used so frequently (like some planes in arena), then ill say perk them.:aok
:lol
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1.How the hell is a Spit 14 perked and not the 16?
2.Why are the Corsairs perked not the 16?
3.Why is the Ta-152 perked not the 16?
4.Why is La-7 not perked (guns)
5.Why the hell is George Bush President?
:huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :D
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
1.How the hell is a Spit 14 perked and not the 16?
2.Why are the Corsairs perked not the 16?
3.Why is the Ta-152 perked not the 16?
4.Why is La-7 not perked (guns)
5.Why the hell is George Bush President?
:huh :huh :huh :huh :huh :D
Why are you whining?
Bronk
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Originally posted by LEDPIG
2.Why are the Corsairs perked not the 16?
hmm don't know?
Originally posted by Roscoroo
id rather fly my spit 5er ... but well with its ammo and boost porked ... its seafire for me too ...
what you think Roscoroo? ;)
had some fun fights last night, Gooss, Roscoroo, and others......~S~
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I don't know Bronk but your avatar made me forget all about it:D
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Ledpig you have a PM.
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Forget the Spit XVI. I hope HTC gets around to perking the Tempest immediately. That plane is unfair and just scary good.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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I thought the Tempest already WAS perked?
1.How the hell is a Spit 14 perked and not the 16?
2.Why are the Corsairs perked not the 16?
3.Why is the Ta-152 perked not the 16?
4.Why is La-7 not perked (guns)
5.Why the hell is George Bush President?
1. Can't really answer that as I don't fly Spits and haven't run into enough XIV's
2. C-Hog because A) there were only a couple hundred built, and B) as has been stated before at one point the whopping majority of kills were being scored by C-Hogs, unbalancing the MA in a way the 16 and ElGay never have.
And the F4U-4 is an absolute MONSTER compared to any other prop plane in the game. Don't give the "no cannons" bull. Anyone who don't respect Ma Deuce is due to be rudely reminded just how nasty the .50 cal can be. I'd LOVE to have an unperked F4U-4, but you want to talk about unbalancing the main that'll surely do it.
3. See my first reason for the C-Hog.
4. Because other than guns and the ability to run from a fight there's really not much special I've seen about the La-7.
5. Because there's a LOT of stupid people in this country.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
when i see a 5k FM2 or 109F heading right for me i know im in for trouble.
So very true. Beware the P40. Saw one coming at me on fuball island the other day and just knew that the end of my sortie was fast approaching despite having already despatched 3x7's and 2x16's.
If someone has the balls to up a P40 or similarly low rated plane, you'd better belive they also have the balls to fly the crap out of it and make you look silly to boot.
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Originally posted by Saxman
1. Can't really answer that as I don't fly Spits and haven't run into enough XIV's
2. C-Hog because A) there were only a couple hundred built, and B) as has been stated before at one point the whopping majority of kills were being scored by C-Hogs, unbalancing the MA in a way the 16 and ElGay never have.
And the F4U-4 is an absolute MONSTER compared to any other prop plane in the game. Don't give the "no cannons" bull. Anyone who don't respect Ma Deuce is due to be rudely reminded just how nasty the .50 cal can be. I'd LOVE to have an unperked F4U-4, but you want to talk about unbalancing the main that'll surely do it.
3. See my first reason for the C-Hog.
4. Because other than guns and the ability to run from a fight there's really not much special I've seen about the La-7.
5. Because there's a LOT of stupid people in this country.
1: Which MA do you fly in? Try flying any evening of the week that ends in 'y' ... *edit* apologies here, thought you were talking about the XVI, not the XIV! There's tons of 16's flyin' because it's a DANG good plane, and it's relatively new to our hangars...every night I run into more and more of 'em. Not too many XIV's...er 14's though. Why bother below 25k alt?
2: Hmm...about as many as N1K's and LA-7's made, yeah?
F4U-4 a monster? It's like...9th in acceleration at sea level; the Spit XVI, Ki, most of the 109's and lots others fight vertically better than the -4 hog. Without flaps it's way down the list in turning...with full flaps it's not even in the top dozen. Without cannons it's not going to get kills very easily unless you can line up an unloaded shot, and it's slower than both Ponies, the LA, K-4, Dora...Kweassa's and Mosq's data all say it's a good plane on paper, but not the uber perked ride that I keep hearing about. Do you think the F4U-4 would win a fight 1-vs.-1 co-alt at normal dogfight altitudes vs. a Spit 16 if both pilots had equal skill in their rides?
I'll go play with it more in the DA and HTH to see if I can justify perking it while the LA-7 and Spit XVI are free rides. For now though it's like the TA-152...in the "why is this thing perked?" category.
As for your number 3...there was a day when everyone was HO'ing with the Chog and pretty much just flew that. I don't mind the small perk pt. cost of it, but there's more planes to fly now than when that was happening. And Tyffies/Hurri-C's have taken over its old role quite nicely now :lol Some folks feel that unperking it would make the -1 and D hogs hanger queens, which would be a shame. I disagree because of the nice values assigned to these when you're wanting to earn points; heck, I like the D-hog better than the Hellkitty, and it's worth more points to fly the Corsair over the F6F :aok
About your 4th point; it's a shame that the LA-7 gets so abused by folks that just want to zip in, take a bad shot and run away...wash, rinse, repeat. It's really an amazing fighter in the right hands, very versitile, but that's the same of many planes available to fly.
n/c on the 5th point, although I tend to agree with Einstein about the universe and mankind's stupidity being infinite, and he wasn't quite certain about the universe.
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Originally posted by Warspawn
Do you think the F4U-4 would win a fight 1-vs.-1 co-alt at normal dogfight altitudes vs. a Spit 16 if both pilots had equal skill in their rides?
I'm not sure using this example is a valid reason for unperking the hog, or perking the 16. The 2 planes are suited to different styles of fighting. As an example, the Tempest won't beat a Hurri in a stall fight if the pilots are equal. This only means the Hurri is a bit better in that type of fight, not that the Tempest shouldn't be perked.
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Its not that the spixteen should be perked. Its that the multitudes should fly something else once in awhile. Its one of those planes that attract people because its got green lights in most of the catagories. Therefore you see more of them than anyother plane type, even more than La7s.
Aces High...featuring the Spit16, and a few other planes of ww2.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
...that the multitudes should fly something else once in awhile.
Why should they? It's their money and they can fly what they want and not what you want. Spend less time caring what others fly and you'll enjoy the game more.
ack-ack
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spit 16 is a good plane, fuel consumption sucks in though, but just like the lala its good for base defence. by the way started useing the la7 for shets and giggles lately, and holy crap....no wonder why its used so much.....
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Why should they? It's their money and they can fly what they want and not what you want. Spend less time caring what others fly and you'll enjoy the game more.
ack-ack
And the other side of the coin would be. It's my money and i want an unperked CHog or how about a 262...So unperk all the planes then.
See where I am going with this, that arguement can go both ways. Perking a plane doesn't make me fly what someone else wants me to fly. All it does is make me think before I up this ride do I care about possibly losing perk points. (Me personnally, It doesn't effect me one bit)
So to me the arguement it's there money or don't dictate to me what I fly has no valid point. no one is dictating anything by perking a ride. All it's doing is making you use your little perky points. So why have perk points if you aren't going to use them.
Unless there is some secret Perky Point Bank somewhere you guys are exchanging them for Real money, in which case fill me in on where it's at. :D
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Sorry Hondo, allthough I dig your avatar I just can't, in good conscience, cut you in on my nearly exclusive sweet deal. The perkies are exchanged according to how many people show up to divide the funds. The last exchange was 2 perkies to the dollar because only a few of us were there, the exchange before that was 5 perkies to the dollar with a good number of guys there...see where I'm going with this?:p
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Originally posted by Warspawn
Do you think the F4U-4 would win a fight 1-vs.-1 co-alt at normal dogfight altitudes vs. a Spit 16 if both pilots had equal skill in their rides?
undeniably........
( withholding all the uberwonderboy spitflyers who are like a bot.......:D )
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:rofl Brenjen, I knew there had to be bank out there somewhere...Going to get my Magnifing Glass and Sherlock Holmes cap and do some detective work...LOL
Hmmm more i think about it, I believe this calls for my Inspector Gadget outfit...LOL..
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Unperk everything except Migs & Sabres :D
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Originally posted by Warspawn
Do you think the F4U-4 would win a fight 1-vs.-1 co-alt at normal dogfight altitudes vs. a Spit 16 if both pilots had equal skill in their rides?
Yes, on the deck, up high, anywhere.
I'll be in the TA most evenings during the coming week. Stop by for some fun. If you miss me, look for Murdr, I'm sure he'll be happy to fly with you.
My regards,
Widewing
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I just flew the Spit16 a few times in MA. First sortie I landed 6 kills. I mainly owe this to being in a furball and it was easy to zip in and out of the horde. Next 2 sorties I flew I died very quickly against Filth in 1v1 both times(he was in an F4U). I know I'm not that good of a virtual pilot, maybe average at best. And I know Filth is excellant. But if the Spit16 was as uber as most people think then I feel like I should have had a better chance than what I did. I may not fly it much and they are a joy to kill. IMO, leave it unperked.
Lambo
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
And the other side of the coin would be. It's my money and i want an unperked CHog or how about a 262...So unperk all the planes then.
See where I am going with this, that arguement can go both ways. Perking a plane doesn't make me fly what someone else wants me to fly. All it does is make me think before I up this ride do I care about possibly losing perk points. (Me personnally, It doesn't effect me one bit)
So to me the arguement it's there money or don't dictate to me what I fly has no valid point. no one is dictating anything by perking a ride. All it's doing is making you use your little perky points. So why have perk points if you aren't going to use them.
Unless there is some secret Perky Point Bank somewhere you guys are exchanging them for Real money, in which case fill me in on where it's at. :D
Hondo, I think SpaceMonkey is simply taking issue with Filth's remark that "the multitudes should fly something else once in awhile", not necessarily perk planes in general.
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Hub i kinda thought that, I was just showing the other side of the coin per his reply about my 15 bucks I should be able to do whatever I want.
There are several things in this game that either don't allow you to do whatever you want whenever you want, or henders you in some form or fashion in doing so. I don't agree with the way Filth stated what he said, I understand what he would like to see, as would alot in here.
I respect everyone doing there thing, fly want they want, but almost every game made you just don't get to do what ever ya want every minute of the game.
I just feel by perking the over used planes (as they did with the CHog)would help balance the arena out in the aspect of seeing a larger variaty of planes to fight against. I just don't get why so many get upset when you talk about perking certian planes. It's like Oh My God...I haved saved up 10,000 perk points and I'll be dammed if i am going to spend em....LOL
Anyway, it really doesn't matter to me what HT does. Either way i will always try to have fun in the game. Whether it's killing spits and lalas all the time or killing a larger variaty. I just adapt to whatever.
But it would be nice to see less of em tho
:D
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Ack personally I dont care that there are so many spit16s out there as far as gameplay, its just that with such a list to choose from, its a shame we see the same planes in such numbers all the time. But then again Im pro-rolling plane set. Believe me I enjoy the game! I think I squeeze about as much fun out of it as is humanly possible!
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I don't know about you guys, but I see way too many FM2s out there ... I say PERK THE "MILDCAT" !!!!!!!!!
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too many noobs.
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Put FesterMA furball island back in the rotation. Limited early plane set and bombers disable. Also do the same for donut's fightertown.
Wishful thinking :>
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The Tempest is perked? When did this happen?
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Probably while you were powerlevelling your gay little elven pwincess over in World of potatocraft, candyass.
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Fireball lvl 20 PWNS~!@
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So if HTC called the Spit LFXVIe the Spitfire LFIXe would you all quit whining? That's all it is. It's a Spit IX with an American built Packard Merlin 266 instead of a Rolls built Merlin 66.
Keep in mind one thing when you whine about the Spit XVI. The guys who fly it tend to stay in and fight, which is a far cry from the LA7 drivers who blow through at light speed and run for the hills after their head on pass.
16s fall apart nicely when you shoot em too.
So lets say you perk the 16. What's next after that to whine about? No doubt some other plane will become the choice of the run and HO crowd. It's not like there aren't other choices.
How bout quit whining and fly? Or Don't fly if you can't handle the Spit 16 drivers. Who the heck really cares?
Unperk em all. I'm not going to fly the uber birds anyway cause they don't interest me. But why continually look to limit what folks can fly? It's still up to each person playing the game to find the fun. And if they can't find it, then it's probably time to do something else don't ya think?
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Personally I am in agreement with SFCHONDO on this, what is the point in having perk points when theres only 3-4 planes to spend them on. I think the best thing to do IMHO would be to perk all of the late war models of the whole planeset. That would at least give a reason to perking the TA152 . I think it would definately help out the ENY factor for the country with the least players as well because there late war models would be cheaper. Right now we only have about 3-4 fighters that are perked that ppl actually fly, and theres only 1 bomber and 1 gv that are porked, what the heck am I supposed to do with 5,000 bomber points. I guess I can up AR234's and dive bomb cv's all afternoon but thats a little gamey isn't it.
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Those darn 16's! Only uber dweebs fly that super uber spit dweeb plane.
La7 with a newb at the stick is what i dont like about main. Try 5 newbs in a la7 ho'ing running for what 21mins thats not fun to me. Five newbs in 16's is what i call fun...
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Even though the spit 16 can outperform the la7 easily in almost every aspect except running and ho'ing? :rolleyes:
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IMHO any thread started about perking planes should be perked itself
say 100 perks for starting the thread and then 10 perks for replying to the thread going up by .01 for each post and .65 for each multi post. Then 100 perks to the thread starter when and if the thread gets locked. Finally 1000 perks to the person or persons that caused the thread lockage.