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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Kazaa on May 21, 2006, 07:30:48 PM
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Hard enough with just the one gun, we need four. Not to mention the cool added armor :aok
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The Wirby would be nice.
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Oi, not again... *Puts on anti-LTARd armor*
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You know what I think would be cooler?
A BB gun.
Bring the BB gun to AH!!!1111
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Originally posted by OOZ662
Oi, not again... *Puts on anti-LTARd armor*
:D :D :D
Seriously, I've been requesting these vehichles since day one (5 yrs ago)
Yes, there were MORE Wirbelwinds produced in WWII than Ostwinds.
The Flak36 (German 88) would also be an excellent addition to the GV line up. As it is now there is nothing to defend against bombers other than Field guns and the Ostwind. The Ostwind is almost useless at hitting bombers at anything over 2k, the field guns only stightly better.
(http://membres.lycos.fr/fass3d/rnl/Wirbelwind.jpg)
(http://www.pkymasehist.fi/88_02.jpg)
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Looks like I have actually made a worth while thread this time :aok
Well I think it would be nice to have the top two in the GV game for Aces high, lightly perked of course.
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tsshhh...Dont insult me with your plastic TOYS....I am a real man, and I play with computers!
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Originally posted by Urchin
You know what I think would be cooler?
A BB gun.
Bring the BB gun to AH!!!1111
YEA! bring the BB gun to the paratrooper with the RE-TARDO colt
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Looks like I have actually made a worth while thread this time :aok
Well I think it would be nice to have the top two in the GV game for Aces high, lightly perked of course.
Why on Earth would they be perked ?
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I think we already have enough "mobile" (as in can shoot and move at the same time) AA gv's in game.
The bulk of AA had to be deployed from a tow truck set up and then used in a stationary mode.................
So Bring the Studebaker & trailer to AH................. then we can have both "GV'ers" and "trailer trash"..............
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Originally posted by Tilt
I think we already have enough "mobile" (as in can shoot and move at the same time) AA gv's in game.
The bulk of AA had to be deployed from a tow truck set up and then used in a stationary mode.................
So Bring the Studebaker & trailer to AH................. then we can have both "GV'ers" and "trailer trash"..............
Tilt nice idea, but don't deny the fact that A quad flack is totally needed in this game mate.
P.S: MOIL, 2/3 perks at the most mate, if not it would make the M16 & Ostwind not worth using. :aok
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No need for this but what about adding the loader and aimer ?
I want to schred some meatball !
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personally I'd like to see more manned and unmanned ack at the bases and strat targets, more 37mm or 40mm guns and 88's. I wish the bases were as well defended as the CV's
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Back to the subject at hand gents.
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Originally posted by Tilt
I think we already have enough "mobile" (as in can shoot and move at the same time) AA gv's in game.
The bulk of AA had to be deployed from a tow truck set up and then used in a stationary mode.................
So Bring the Studebaker & trailer to AH................. then we can have both "GV'ers" and "trailer trash"..............
I don't agree, not that your point isn't valid. The Wirbelwind was designed to travel with Panzer divisions to protect against attacking A/C.
The Ostwind did play a small part in this role, however was primarily used for defences at bases, camps & airfields.
I too agree that it would be nice to have "deployable" gun platforms for defense. The 88 would be perfect in this role as would the 20mm, 37mm and 40mm flak guns.
I am one of the worst pilots in the MA and I can kill an M16 with relative ease and the field guns at any base (except a Port)
*As stated, back to the subject*
I too agree that there should be more AA guns at any given base. While I don't want to take the fun out of guys furballing and having a good fight, over an enemy airfield might not be the best place.
During WWII, flying, attacking or just hanging around and enemy base was almost always suicide. The Jabo pilot of WWII had one of the most dangerous jobs when attacking these types of facilities.
In here (the MA) it's pork it up and business as usual. I know the flyboys hate the idea of being shot out of the sky by an AA gun, but in the same token you need to ask yourself "do I want to fly around this enemy base within ack range?"
It's no different than me hoping in a fiter to meet incoming attackers that are at alt and speed. Now I try to climb up to them and get shot down, who's fault is that? There's? OR mine for putting myself in that position?
Point being, if said attackers want to attack a point of intrest of the enemy they should be prepared to be meet with stiff defenses.
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Tilt nice idea, but don't deny the fact that A quad flack is totally needed in this game mate.
P.S: MOIL, 2/3 perks at the most mate, if not it would make the M16 & Ostwind not worth using. :aok
Disagree. M-16 is much faster than the Wirbelwind, and can easily keep up with that M-3 troop carrier. So it has a place.
The Ostwind would have a longer overall range for pop-shots at low flying buffs that are still too high for the 20s or .50cals on the WW or M16, and still have a deadlier "single ping". If a HO from the 23mms from an IL2 is not guaranteed to kill a plane, raking a plane with a Wirbelwind is not a guaranteed kill either. One ping from the Osti, on the other hand, is about as certain as this game gets.
Now if I could only aim the dang thing . . .
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The only reason player controlled fleet puffy ack is so effective is the radar fused shells that AH models. To model 88mm AA guns correctly you would also need to model some sort of fuse setting/ course predicting computer in the FE, and control of a battery of guns. I'd really like to see the auto puffy AA modelled this way, so it became less accurate against distant or manouvering targets. I hate the magically targetted stuff we have now. However the only thing allowing a player to control it would add, is the ability to target the biggest threat.
Individually 88s would be more use against tanks. OTOH the US Army's M2 90mm AA gun did have radar fuses late in the war and could also be used against tanks. Personally though, I don't like the player controlled radar fused AA guns near fleets. Not sure I'd want them at airfields too even if it would deter vulching. Maybe just at big fields?
For airfield defence why not have some of those concrete AA towers the LW had on their airfields? Make it so you'd need a couple of 1k bombs or so to take one out. A few of those would make it harder for rocket or cannon armed jabos to take out the field's AA in a few passes.
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I think the bases are far too easy to cap.
I'm not sure how it was back in WW2, but if your right Grebbo then we need something done about it.
But then again, a base could be defended quite well with a few flacks & M16s no doubt.
Would be defended even better with some Wirbelwinds popping out of the hanger ! :aok
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I would have to rethink about what I said, the Wirbelwind should not be perked.
Is the 500lbs bomb perked lol no, nearly everyplane has one of them !
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Originally posted by Kazaa
I would have to rethink about what I said, the Wirbelwind should not be perked.
Is the 500lbs bomb perked lol no, nearly everyplane has one of them !
Perk teh 500lb bomb it is way over used!!!!! :D
Bronk
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Perk decisions seem moslty to be made based on game impact, not history or intrinsic power. I've read somewhere that HT looks at a platforms "deaths" or KPD in the arena as a significant factor in making those decisions.
As to why it should be perked -- well, I'd suggest that though a sniper rifle in skilled hands may be more lethal, widely distributed assault rifles end up causeing far more kills.
So, the volume and dispersion of fire from the 2x20s would allow FAR more kills than in the Ostwind. It could easily end up being the C-Hog of GVs.
On a larger scale, strengthening defense could only result in more land-grab stagnation, and would make the horde even more necessary for effective capture.
I can see no reason NOT to give it 4 perks.
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Originally posted by MOIL
Why on Earth would they be perked ?
you
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Originally posted by Simaril
Perk decisions seem moslty to be made based on game impact, not history or intrinsic power. I've read somewhere that HT looks at a platforms "deaths" or KPD in the arena as a significant factor in making those decisions.
As to why it should be perked -- well, I'd suggest that though a sniper rifle in skilled hands may be more lethal, widely distributed assault rifles end up causeing far more kills.
So, the volume and dispersion of fire from the 2x20s would allow FAR more kills than in the Ostwind. It could easily end up being the C-Hog of GVs.
On a larger scale, strengthening defense could only result in more land-grab stagnation, and would make the horde even more necessary for effective capture.
I can see no reason NOT to give it 4 perks.
At the end of the day mate, GV's do not stand a chance if you drop 1,000lbs bombs on there head from the skys above :p
I see you point non the less.
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Good points all
If anyone thinks for ONE second that any ground AA gun stands an ice cubes chance in hell of surviving a hail of bombs from Jabo's or bombers needs to have thier head examined.
Now, YES a few planes will get hit, but to stop an attcking A/C with an AA gun is virtually impossible. There is no way to stop the 500' off the deck carpet bombing Lanc's & b17's, let alone the ones at 5-6k.
People somehow have the impression that if HT were to add veh's like the Wirbelwind & 88 any plane flying near one would be simply cutt to ribbons.
This is not the case. First off, the Wirbelwind has quad 20mm guns, while they do spit a lot of lead, it is only for a short time. The magazines that feed each gun only holds 20 rounds each.
The gun is empty in only 6 seconds, reload is often. Unlike the Ostwind that (in game) can be fired indefinately or until empty.
The 4 20mm guns on the Wirbelwind are no more leathal than the 4 20mm guns on the Tiffy or N1K2J.
The 88 could be used for both air and ground targets just as it did in WWII. It should have to be towed and deployed just as it did in WWII. It would be nice to have "gun crews" for these weapons.
As it is right now someone can "join" as a gunner or observer, so why not as a spotter or loader?
There is lots of possibilities but to think that these particular weapons are going sway the game or make things unbalanced is totally insane.
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I agree with you 100% MOIL, I just wanted to see some new armor in the game thats all.
It's needed & if I must say way over due !
So what do you all think guys:
Yes or no to the Wirbelwind, with or without cool armor ?
Yes or no to the 88's AA Gun ?
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i say yes to both.
:aok
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Yes to both!
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lol yes to Both :aok
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I guess I'll have to jump on the "both" bandwagon:aok
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What now lol, do we just wait ? :rolleyes:
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No, we all chip in and get some of that Scotch that HTC loves. Then we'll get um drunk and talk them into putting these veh's in the game, no harm in that.
Either that or we all start posting summer vacation pictures until they cave
:O
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Originally posted by Kazaa
Click (http://www.2iemeguerre.com/blindes/flakpanzer_iv_wirbelwind.htm)
Hard enough with just the one gun, we need four. Not to mention the cool added armor :aok
NO!
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Originally posted by MOIL
No, we all chip in and get some of that Scotch that HTC loves. Then we'll get um drunk and talk them into putting these veh's in the game, no harm in that.
Either that or we all start posting summer vacation pictures until they cave
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Go halfs on the scotch MOIL ?
P.S: They are reworking the layout for the next patch, so lets not jump on there back if you know what I mean.
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wouldent that be a little overkill? 4 ostwind cannons on 1 GV plus about 10 or so other players with you...that would be INSANE...
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Originally posted by benytree
wouldent that be a little overkill? 4 ostwind cannons on 1 GV plus about 10 or so other players with you...that would be INSANE...
Those are NOT Ostwind cannons, the Ostwind has a single 37mm Flak gun and the Wirbelwind has 4 20mm cannons.
No that is not "overkill", many of the A/C in the game have 4 20mm cannons and some have 30mm cannons. Not to mention BOMBS ranging from 50lbs to 1000lbs.
So when one starts to talk about "insane" it is definately in the favor of the A/C and not the GV or AA gun.
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lol moil you tell them
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Originally posted by MOIL
Those are NOT Ostwind cannons, the Ostwind has a single 37mm Flak gun and the Wirbelwind has 4 20mm cannons.
No that is not "overkill", many of the A/C in the game have 4 20mm cannons and some have 30mm cannons. Not to mention BOMBS ranging from 50lbs to 1000lbs.
So when one starts to talk about "insane" it is definately in the favor of the A/C and not the GV or AA gun.
Except you can despawn at will ,there is no crew in your GV, you can protect your beloved GV under a foliage so resistant that the NASA should use it to protect the belly of the shuttle.
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Originally posted by straffo
Except you can despawn at will ,there is no crew in your GV, you can protect your beloved GV under a foliage so resistant that the NASA should use it to protect the belly of the shuttle.
Please, you know how many times I lost my Osty or tank trying to hide under this so-called foliage you speak of. Lets not kid ourselves, if you think for one sec the "trees" are some kind of "super protection" from bombs and bullets you're sadly mistaken.
As for the de-spawn at will part, I don't see what the big deal would be?
I guess what your saying is I or anyone else should stay in place until the bomb hits and blows me to smithereens? Ok, that sounds fair, then how can a bomber pilot drop bombs 100' off the deck from 3 seperate bombers? I didn't know one pilot could fly AND drop bombs from 3 seperate planes? There is no "crew" in the bombers either!
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Originally posted by MOIL
Please, you know how many times I lost my Osty or tank trying to hide under this so-called foliage you speak of. Lets not kid ourselves, if you think for one sec the "trees" are some kind of "super protection" from bombs and bullets you're sadly mistaken.
You admit using this exploit ...
As for the de-spawn at will part, I don't see what the big deal would be?
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Being a wimp in a game where all death are virtual ?
I guess what your saying is I or anyone else should stay in place until the bomb hits and blows me to smithereens? Ok, that sounds fair, then how can a bomber pilot drop bombs 100' off the deck from 3 seperate bombers? I didn't know one pilot could fly AND drop bombs from 3 seperate planes? There is no "crew" in the bombers either!
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who was 1st the chicken or the egg ?
My very own opinion : be a man ,spawn a plane.
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First off, trying to take cover under some cartoon foliage IMO is not an exploit. I have never heard of a "foliage exploit" if this is true I have never heard of it and please feel free to fill me in.
Note: now I have heard of people hiding thier tanks in the sides of shore batteries, but I have NEVER done this myself nor know how to, nor do I want to.
2nd, I think you can have yourself a little poll and ask the MA how many times Moil and crew have been bombed and carpet bombed and ask how many times we "towered out" Go right ahead, I dare ya.
If there's any one person or squad that has been on the receiving end of bombs for the last five years it's been us.
As to your other quote "being a whimp" for towering out, please, IMO that is a slightly gamey move, and the dive bombing Lanc's 100' off the ground isn't????
3rd, in WW2 there was a hell of a lot more ground soldiers, AA crews, tank platoons and so forth. I guess we'd have to call them no where near brave enough to be a man cuz they wern't in a plane?:rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rolleyes: :rofl :lol
BTW, I do up planes, quite frenquently I might add. I just do not have the interest in A/C that I do GV's and AA guns.
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Originally posted by MOIL
2nd, I think you can have yourself a little poll and ask the MA how many times Moil and crew have been bombed and carpet bombed and ask how many times we "towered out" Go right ahead, I dare ya.
I see some LTAR doing this at least once per week, from memory LTARSql look to love to do this
You will soon have one or two film, I'll start filming now.
Look like your squad member have an attitude problem when you're not online.
As to your other quote "being a whimp" for towering out, please, IMO that is a slightly gamey move, and the dive bombing Lanc's 100' off the ground isn't????[/B]
When in a Jabo I'm diving on a Osty just to see it disapear I call the player all kind of names I can and whimp is the more moderate word I use.
3rd, in WW2 there was a hell of a lot more ground soldiers, AA crews, tank platoons and so forth. I guess we'd have to call them no where near brave enough to be a man cuz they wern't in a plane?:rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rolleyes: :rofl :lol[/B]
There isn't any ground soldier in AH.
Plus it's not WWII it's AH.
BTW, I do up planes, quite frenquently I might add. I just do not have the interest in A/C that I do GV's and AA guns.
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GV in aH is a parody.
Btw when were you last killed in a field gun ?
I guess if you can land your kill you're not quite dead ...
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Straffo:
"Btw when were you last killed in a field gun ?
I guess if you can land your kill you're not quite dead ...
Yesterday as a matter of fact and you'll have to talk to HT on that one.
I wouldn't mind one bit if I lost my kills when the field gun got killed, would only be fair.
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You see ,at last we can agree on something :)
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;)
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Originally posted by straffo
No need for this but what about adding the loader and aimer ?
I want to schred some meatball !
NOOOO I didnt do anything do you, why do you have to be so mean to me?!? :cry
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Anyways I would also enjoy having more gv's in the game. But also I think the jeep is a great addition since I take drives across the countryside when I get bored in the game. I just switch to my control pad for easier driving
:D
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I dont necessarily need to see more GVs in the game (some would be nice :) ) but I still think we need more ack and guns at the bases and strat targets. some pilots stories I have read online and books tell how dangerous it was to do straffing runs on enemy bases, the amount of flak and gun fire was extreme. The first flight through had the best chance, but it was murder and harder for each flight after as the gunners got their ranges down and the ack became more accurate and lethal.
I liked to see at least 3 more 37mm guns, some .50cal positions and about 4-5 88's added to bases/towns/strats. And I think most if not all of those positions should be manable.
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Couldn't agree more:aok
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straffo:
I see some LTAR doing this at least once per week, from memory LTARSql look to love to do this
I beg your pardon? When did I do this? You might want to rethink this statement. I have bailed from a damaged Ostwind no longer able to fight. I have bailed from damaged armor unable to fight. I have bailed from a Tiger under carpet bombing Lancasters, but that was long ago when I had no perkies. But in NO WAY do I bail to prevent a death. I will sit there with the trigger down till the very end doing my best to make sure my assailant dies too. If you want to point fingers, bring something to the table besides your memory. It seems to be in error.
LTARsqrl <>
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In fatc .... you're completely right ,after re reading MOIL post , it happen didn't transleted his 1st sentence correctly.
Please accept my apologies.
Hé Moil , look like I fumbled again :D
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:D
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Originally posted by straffo
When in a Jabo I'm diving on a Osty just to see it disapear I call the player all kind of names I can and whimp is the more moderate word I use.
so let me guess ..when u land a plane and see an enemy plane in
for the vultch.. you stay on the runway and die? or do you tower out?
right you tower out.....
how is this any different from a gv towering out before death?
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Originally posted by soupcan
Originally posted by straffo
When in a Jabo I'm diving on a Osty just to see it disapear I call the player all kind of names I can and whimp is the more moderate word I use.
so let me guess ..when u land a plane and see an enemy plane in
for the vultch.. you stay on the runway and die? or do you tower out?
right you tower out.....
how is this any different from a gv towering out before death?
How about because he cant respawn, start shooting , and have a chance of hitting other ac in the span of 10 seconds. While on the other hand ,GVs can.
Bronk
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and u cant up another a/c in 10 sec?
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Learn to read
he cant respawn, start shooting , and have a chance of hitting other ac in the span of 10 seconds.
Read it slowly and let it sink in.
Bronk
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Originally posted by soupcan
Originally posted by straffo
When in a Jabo I'm diving on a Osty just to see it disapear I call the player all kind of names I can and whimp is the more moderate word I use.
so let me guess ..when u land a plane and see an enemy plane in
for the vultch.. you stay on the runway and die? or do you tower out?
right you tower out.....
how is this any different from a gv towering out before death?
What Bronk answered :)
Plus I can't name any plane having a 37mm point upward.
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Originally posted by straffo
Plus I can't name any plane having a 37mm point upward.
I can't name one that only shoots 2 rounds a second but I can name one that has two 40mm pointed downwards if the pilot so desires.
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I say yes to both... but there is another german tank/ mobile artillery, it was ment to be a "tank stoper/buster" it had a 74 or 78mm gun on it (cant remember wat 1 thou possibly a 79mm) but it was lightly armoured, it supported panzer crews as far as i kno, but im prob wrong, oh well...
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Originally posted by Bronk
Learn to read
thanks for the tip o wise one
surely the road to enlightenment is to hurl insults
and repeat thyself.
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Originally posted by soupcan
thanks for the tip o wise one
surely the road to enlightenment is to hurl insults
and repeat thyself.
If it helps you to figure out the difference between:
A. u cant up another a/c in 10 sec?
B.he cant respawn, start shooting , and have a chance of hitting other ac in the span of 10 seconds
Then yup, since your first post was so condicending I figured I'd reply in kind.
Bronk