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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: MarekPL on May 22, 2006, 04:52:04 AM
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PZL 11g"Kobuz" / latin. Falco subbuteo
http://www.muz-lotnictwa.krakow.pl/pzl11.jpg
PZL-37/II "Łoś" /Elk
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot215.jpg
PZL-50 "Jastrząb"/Hawk
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot063.jpg
PZL-45 "Sokół" /falcon
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/rys/rys156.jpg
more Polish plane
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/str003k7.htm
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most of these were obsolete even before the war started. they would only be used in special events.
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(http://www.airwar.ru/transfer/grishan///camms/ar/237/pics/213_3.jpg)
PZL P.11, Polish built, open cockpit.
(http://www.airwar.ru/transfer/grishan///camms/ar/36/pics/12_2.jpg)
PZL P.24, I think license built export version of the P.11 with a closed cockpit and heavier armament.
(http://www.wcm.com.pl/common/show_image.php?plik=481304mirage.jpg&max=370)
PZL P.23A, single engined light bomber
(http://www.jdburgessonline.com/images/pzl-p37/romanian/p37-thumb.jpg)
PZL P.37, twin engined light bomber
BTW, just in case anyone was wondering, the PZLs wouldn't necessarily be out of action after 1939 in AH- the Romanians used them, both as fighters and ground attackers, until after Stalingrad (rather effectively actually) and the Greeks used the fighters too.
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They were excellent turners and quite competetive in their day. Their only real flaw was there weren't enough of them. I suspect we will never see them in AH.
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WHY would you want to fly obsolete aircraft in aces cant fly far not even high you are a flying duck
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Because the war started in 1939, not 1943.
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so if you where flying that obsolete aircraft you would be hit with a newer one so arenas would have to be timelapsed
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Uh... Poland was the first to be invaded lol :P While a key PART of the war, it didn't play any significant part in the fighting on either side. France put up a MUCH larger fight and it caved almost instantly.
Not before we get all the French fighters, and chances are we'll never see them, either.
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Originally posted by But
so if you where flying that obsolete aircraft you would be hit with a newer one so arenas would have to be timelapsed
Theres many other aspects to this game besides the MA.
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ok but there is only about 5 arenas ive been to main and training your right i do need to try the other ones but i got less than 2 weeks
and where did you get your signature ive heard it somewhere but dont remember where
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Invader Zim :)
Try the AvA. Its a bit of a weird matchup now (Luftwaffe vs US Navy :huh ) but theres a lot of good HISTORICAL matchups in there. Where you don't just fly around as fast as you can cherry picking and vulching and then going on and on over channel 200 about how great you are.
Until the 1944 and 1945 plane sets come along :D
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P40 was obsolite by WW2 and dozens of people still fly it.
But yea the polish planes look really hard to get a kill in. Like flying that DC3 thing.
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Hmmm can the loadout on those planes be polish sausages so we have some food to eat on long flights?
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Originally posted by Treize69
Invader Zim :)
Try the AvA. Its a bit of a weird matchup now (Luftwaffe vs US Navy :huh ) but theres a lot of good HISTORICAL matchups in there.
Actually it was Luftwaffe vs Royal Navy that week. It was a historical matchup.
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I was emphasizing historical over the usual MA mess, not the current AvA setup :)
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Yeah, ill never understand the need some people feel to fly obsolete planes like the Spit1, Hurr1 or P40B in such a nasty late war enviroment as the MA.....
PS: Slow and good turner?? Sounds like something id really like :).
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that set up was depicting an actual battle that occurred in April 1944.
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Yeah, ill never understand the need some people feel to fly obsolete planes like the Spit1, Hurr1 or P40B in such a nasty late war enviroment as the MA.....
We cant explain why we do it. Its an aquirred taste for these planes. The bad sides are People come and shoot at us first because they think we are easy kills. But it has its good point, never a shortage of the enemy.
and imagine the recognition you get if you land 4 or 5 in a spitI or a P40B
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Originally posted by MarekPL
PZL 11g"Kobuz" / latin. Falco subbuteo
http://www.muz-lotnictwa.krakow.pl/pzl11.jpg
PZL-37/II "Łoś" /Elk
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot215.jpg
PZL-50 "Jastrząb"/Hawk
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/fot/fot063.jpg
PZL-45 "Sokół" /falcon
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/rys/rys156.jpg
more Polish plane
http://www.samoloty.ow.pl/str003k7.htm
there is no reason for any of this planes, even if war start in 1939.
Except 150 P-37 in line nooone of thos planes serve in 1939, last 2 never saw combat.
P-50 was only 2-3 prototypes, P-45 never left drawing board.
Useless on MA , no match for current LW planes we have now.
Im not saying ( as a Pole) its not nice to have them, but they are just useless
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Originally posted by ramzey
Except 150 P-37 in line nooone of thos planes serve in 1939, last 2 never saw combat.
Not by Poland maybe, but they were well used by Romania (both the ones they already had and the ones flown to Romania in Sept. 1939 by fleeing Polish pilots) until 1943 against the Russians. They served as both light attackers and recon planes until they were replaced by Ju87s and Ju88s during the rebuilding after Stalingrad.
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Originally posted by Treize69
Not by Poland maybe, but they were well used by Romania (both the ones they already had and the ones flown to Romania in Sept. 1939 by fleeing Polish pilots) until 1943 against the Russians. They served as both light attackers and recon planes until they were replaced by Ju87s and Ju88s during the rebuilding after Stalingrad.
yea, all 22 planes ;-) what a strike force
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PZL P.11 yes please.
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Low numbers is the problem with any French or Polish aircraft we could introduce. When you are knocked out of the war in less than a month, you usually don't have a lot of aircraft in service. At least not compared to the numbers some aircraft reached by 1945.
Considering only about 5% of the people in any arena/setup will actually use any dedicated attack plane we give them, low numbers shouldn't really matter as long as they actually saw combat.
"In September 1939, 22 (according to Romanian sources) or 27 (Polish sources) took refuge in Romania in front of the advancing German and Soviet forces. The airplanes were interned and 19 of them were armed and assigned to the 4th Bomber Group.
The group participated in operations from very first day of Barbarossa, when two were lost to Soviet AAA. Until the end of the campaign only one P.37 was shot down. But the lack of spare parts meant that few were serviceable. The PZLs claimed 4 VVS fighters shot down and 25 destroyed on the ground.
The P.37s were retreated from active duty, but in 1944, as the front reached Romania, all available forces were mobilized in a desperate attempt to stop the Red Army. Only one P.37B equipped squadron could be raised: the 76th, which was subordinated to the 4th Bomber Group.
After 23 August 1944, the remaining P.37Bs were again retreated, but this time for good."
from 'WorldWar2.ro Romanian Armed Forces in the Second World War'