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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on May 24, 2006, 01:00:34 AM
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Demographers told Northwest trustees last night that, based on growth projections, by the fall of 2015 Northwest ISD will need to add 17 new elementary schools, four new middle schools and two new high schools.
That's 20 miles from me in north Texas. When I was a kid they had less than 1000 students and so did we. They expect our county to double in population in less than 10 years.
I grew up in the country where it was peaceful and quiet. You could leave the keys in the car, sleep with the front door and windows wide open and not have to worry. My closest neighbor was over a mile away. Now there are 100's of people living within a mile of me.
I'm thinking of busting up whats left of my grandfathers ranch into lots, taking the money and finding me a couple hundred acres in the middle of nowhere. My sister and her family are thinking of doing the same thing with their place. But, where IS the middle of nowhere nowadays? Montana and Wyoming are full of Hollywierd types and Alaska is just too **** cold.
I'm thinking about Mexico. Anyone have any experience with living there and what all is involved? I'm also open to suggestions on alternate locations.
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Southeastern Oregon has a lot of nothing.
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I hear Mexico is kinda empty lately.
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SOB, I've considered that. I used to haul out of Center, Oregon and it was nice country.
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Central and Northern Nevada is very nowhere.
It's the most unpopulated place I've ever been to.
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I hear Canada has lots of empty space too.
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the wild west is not nearly settled yet
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Goodluck RPM. You can take the man outta Texas, but you can't take Texas outta the man.
I almost moved to Arizona last winter. I thank God every morning that I didn't.
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Yeah, I know Diablo. I really hate the thought of selling and moving from my family home. But, my ancestors did just that more than once.
Thought about out by Snyder or Seymore but the area there is so desolate. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be in the middle of the desert or Gilligan's Island.
The only reason I'm considering Mexico is retirement value. I can make my nestegg go much farther there and there is some very pretty countryside. I'm just not sure of all the legal mumbo jumbo that's involved for an American to live there. Of course there are still security concerns there as well.
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Plenty of room here RPM.. Only 4,5 million "people" and lots of land :)
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RPM,
I wouldn't consider buying in Mexico. The emmigration situation would not be as easy as you would think. If you MUST go to Mexico consider a long term lease rather than buying. If you think you can buy property within 50 kilometers of the coast, forget it. Mexican law prohibits ownership of that property by non Mexican citizens.
Frankly there isn't much in the way of a good buy in coastal property anyhow. There have been far too many Norte Americanos going down there and throwing money around. Property prices including leases are not cheap. The last time I went to a smaller "resort" area (Rocky Point) the prices were such that I could have spent a weekend cheaper in San Diego and could have drunk the water. Cabo is simply insane, not that the countryside is very much to look at anyhow.
I'd sincerely recomend something stateside.
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Thanks for the offer Nils, but I'm allergic to lutefisk.;)
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Mav, I've heard 2 versions of that story before, this makes 3. I'm not sure I'd want to be near Cabo or Cancun anyway. Too many turistas. I was actually thinking around Monterrey or Jalisco areas. Just far enough across the border you miss all the hoopla, but still somewhat civilized and the weather is very nice year round.
I still kick myself for not buying the house we looked at in Ocho Rios, Jamaica back in '99. I could have bought that estate for $50,000 USD (cheap) but I wasn't ready to sell out back then. The house was awesome, had about 15 acres of land and Mick Jagger owned an estate less than a mile down the road (considerably bigger than the one we looked at).
Oh, another reason I want to move? Today I get a delenquent tax statement for $400 on some mineral properties I own. Seems they "forgot" to mail me a bill on that, but I owe the penalty and interest anyway. I tried to explain to him I paid ALL my taxes on the same day and even asked the clerk to look to make sure all my accounts were paid.
The tax guy actually got pissed at me for asking them to waive the P & I. "Well that's tough, but we don't do that.":furious
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RPM do what Mav does!
Buy a large RV and live anywhere you want for a few days at a time then move on to change the scenery!
Mav is living the American Dream!
:aok
Mac
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I've done the RV thing when I was in construction. It ain't bad, but at $3 a gallon and no sign of going down I don't think I could sustain that lifestyle for long with an 8 mpg behemoth.
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Sounds like you have a lot of options rpm, which is nice.
Phoenix metro is turning into easter California.
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Get yourself a solar powered RV...
(http://www.jboats.com/j44/images/j44broch.jpg)
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How about Alaska?
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Originally posted by rpm
Montana and Wyoming are full of Hollywierd types and Alaska is just too **** cold.
Dang Holden, I like the way you think. I'd love to turn into Captain Ron.
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I might be mistaken, but don't you have a well or two on your property, rpm?
What's the bpd on that? And would the city/new owner have to purchace your forecasted royalties?
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BPD, Barrels Per Day? My wells are mostly natural gas and are measured in million cubic feet. The best one is producing around 150mcf a month.
If I sold the place I would sell surface estate only and keep the mineral rights. I'd be a fool not to. My mineral rights cover much more land than I own and it's all in The Barnett Shale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_Shale) which has been called the largest onshore reserve of natural gas in the world.
I also own a couple abandoned wells that we are considering turning into disposal wells where they pump saltwater (a production waste byproduct) back into the zone 3,000 - 5,000 ft down. The going rate is 4 cents a gallon and there are tankers lined up waiting hours for their turn to unload 8,000 gallons each. The problem is all the legalese required to get a permit.
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Ive got another option for ya rpm, In new mexico there is a lot of empty land and the biggest city there has 400,000 people. Just throwing in something.:aok
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Yeah, there's always the problem of the water... and the legalese over what to do with it (it's the same with natural water here). Some folks are even saying that the water needed to produce oil will run out before the oil does.
Anyways... That's great to hear, rpm, I thought it was you...
My suggestion? Ohio. Ya can't beat it.
Har har.
Oregon sounds about right to me.
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Originally posted by rpm
BPD, Barrels Per Day? My wells are mostly natural gas and are measured in million cubic feet. The best one is producing around 150mcf a month.
If I sold the place I would sell surface estate only and keep the mineral rights. I'd be a fool not to. My mineral rights cover much more land than I own and it's all in The Barnett Shale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_Shale) which has been called the largest onshore reserve of natural gas in the world.
I also own a couple abandoned wells that we are considering turning into disposal wells where they pump saltwater (a production waste byproduct) back into the zone 3,000 - 5,000 ft down. The going rate is 4 cents a gallon and there are tankers lined up waiting hours for their turn to unload 8,000 gallons each. The problem is all the legalese required to get a permit.
Anyone in the "energy" business is EVIL!
rpm = Bush
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now thats not very fair, no that im defending the bush or anything but someoens gotta be in the oil and gas business to keep cars and styff running, not evil, not good.
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What cracks me up is all the furor the locals are in about pumping the saltwater nearly a mile underground. They are saying it will contaminate the aquifer and freshwater wells. Where do they think it came from to begin with? It's putting it right back into the zone it came from. Now if they pumped it 500-1000ft down, yeah... you'd have a problem.
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Originally posted by Mr Big
rpm = Bush
Huge difference Nuke. I was born in Texas, my wells actually produce and I didn't go bankrupt.
Now stop it or I'll start poorly compairing you to Billary.;)
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I'm thinking about Mexico.
Yeah, good luck with that, unless you have money falling out your butt so you can live in a gated Americanized community. Those places are more expensive & exclusive (& crowded) than Beverly Hills. If you can't afford that or don't want to live in one of those places, you'll end up a much hated target by the general population whether you are a good person or not, unless you are dark enough to pass for a metizo & speak fluent mexican with no accent & can convince them you're not an American you'll be burglerized or robbed or worse. My advice; pay off the local cops A.S.A.P. & pay them well.
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Sounds like the same sort of problems as up here. For one thing, we're dealing with a couple of rivers (not an ocean) from which the water is being pulled out of.... and people are starting to get pissed off about that. Then it's being dumped. The thing is, it's being dumped very carefully like you say.
Some are considering heavy taxes on water usage. I don't know where my thinking is on that. Because I don't know of what use that will be, or what effect that would have.
But I do tend to get a little alarmed when I read that oil up here will last 100 years or so, but that the water that enables the drilling will last a third of that time.
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Tell me about it, we have enough water for maybe 20 years if Rio Rancho keeps growing at the rate it does (one of the fastest growing cities in the Us) and we are worrrying about oil when half our water already goes to Texas. Id rather be albe to drink some water than drive a car.
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Originally posted by rpm
Huge difference Nuke. I was born in Texas, my wells actually produce and I didn't go bankrupt.
Now stop it or I'll start poorly compairing you to Billary.;)
But Bush invaded Iraq, so he got all that oil! :lol
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A little different scenario here. The natural saltwater comes from the zone, is carried to the surface by the gas and siphoned off into storage tanks. They then pump it back down into the zone at a disposal well. It's not like freshwater is being used and contaminated.
Now during the drilling process, it does require lots of water for lubrication and circulation but they usually buy water from landowners with ponds. It's illegal to pump water out of a stream in Texas. The state owns all the surface water in lakes and rivers. It's a $10,000 a day fine.
One of my neighbors was accused of pumping out of a creek to irrigate his crops during a drought and was fined by the state. He appealed and won when they introduced a video tape of him driving his pickup down the dry creek bed that ran thru his property.
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Originally posted by Mr Big
But Bush invaded Iraq, so he got all that oil! :lol
Where's the oil check to pay for the invasion? Remember that one?
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Move down under, we have thousands of miles of bugger all, and only about 20 million people, 95% of which are all packed along the east coast.(mostly because the rest of Aus is just one big Texas style desert)
English is our national language, and climate wise it should be a simple matter to match Texas.
We allso have great beaches, good beers, excellant wines and a laid back enough lifestyle to enjoy them all, cheap real estate too.
There are even natural gas and oil fields here, so you could continue in the same 'job'.
US\AUS emmigration is one of the less complex moves ( I think both countries are cool with dual citizenship even, I have a sister who recently became an American citizen, and Im pretty sure that didnt involve losing her Aussie citizenship)
Politically, millitarily, and to a lesser extent, ecconomically, we are firmly tied to the USA and are wellcoming to her people.
Its an awefull long way to move, but it may have it's up sides.
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Not a bad suggestion. I considered it in the 70's. There was a company recruiting drivers to pull roadtrains. They had a 3 year deal that was pretty sweet.
I'd love to learn to surf and there's no better place better. I hear Aussie women are nice as well.:aok
What are land prices like?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Get yourself a solar powered RV...
(http://www.jboats.com/j44/images/j44broch.jpg)
best idea so far :)
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austrailia allways sounded kind of good to me..... nice big empty country with rugged individuals.
I could even stand the queen being on my money and driving on the wrong side of the road because australia has a great tradition of hot rodders and V8 cars... the gas costs too much because of socialism but... not the end of the world.
nope... the real problem came when they gave up their firearms rights. I can't begin to tell you how much that changed my opinion of australia and its people... I suddenly realized that australia was..... just another british country.
lazs
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There's still cheap land to be had.. we were looking into this place.
http://wyominglandrush.com/bbBrooksRanch.html
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nope... the real problem came when they gave up their firearms rights. I can't begin to tell you how much that changed my opinion of australia and its people... I suddenly realized that australia was..... just another british country
I couldn't agree more, as America slipped into the well of socialism & liberalism I thought the wide open freedom of Australia could be the right choice for a move, good people, english language...basically all the good points mentioned above & then they went & threw all that greatness & freedom away with that willy-nilly gun ban.
At least they kept out the pesky "want to be a good neighbor & live away from everyone else American types" too bad they are getting all the others instead :)
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RPM,
You don't have to drive the RV everyplace all the time. You get to one spot, park a while and use smaller transportation like I do with my motorcycle to go see the sights. It's great. I can go anywhere I want in the country and at the end of the day I still sleep in my own bed.
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I understand Mav. I worked highway construction for 5 years and lived out of an 28ft camper. Met a lot of people that are doing that. I'd love to trail the NASCAR circuit. It's a great way to live. There are even resorts that have RV attached homes. Those are pretty cool.
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Originally posted by Maverick
RPM,
If you think you can buy property within 50 kilometers of the coast, forget it. Mexican law prohibits ownership of that property by non Mexican citizens.
This hasn't been true since NAFTA.
Mexico is quite nice actually. Depends on where your money comes from. If you need to work there, life will be hard, but if you get a monthly check it can be very nice :)
h
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Goodluck RPM. You can take the man outta Texas, but you can't take Texas outta the man.
I almost moved to Arizona last winter. I thank God every morning that I didn't.
Actually I loved living in Arizona was stationed there nine years and sometimes wonder why I came back to Texas.
RPM there is still a lot of sparsely populated land in the Texas Hill Country.
Not to mention it's beautiful.:aok
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yeah, around the Davis Mountains is beautiful country.
i went out there a number of times for the Texas Star Party a few times & was impressed every time.
NW Nebraska also....
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Grew up in Nebraska AND was stationed in AZ for quite some time. Love both places except the desert just got tiresome. I ALSO moved back to Texas and and hating life with out an auto that is without A/C. I'd love to eventually settle in the "Great West" of montana, utah, or wyoming.
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Originally posted by lazs2
austrailia allways sounded kind of good to me..... nice big empty country with rugged individuals.
I could even stand the queen being on my money and driving on the wrong side of the road because australia has a great tradition of hot rodders and V8 cars... the gas costs too much because of socialism but... not the end of the world.
nope... the real problem came when they gave up their firearms rights. I can't begin to tell you how much that changed my opinion of australia and its people... I suddenly realized that australia was..... just another british country.
lazs
You do realise that guns are NOT illegal in Australia right?
I have a .22/250, a .270, 2 .22s, a .308, a .303, a 12 guage and a .30/30 not ten feet from where I sit right now...every one of them perfectly legal.
I allso have a concealable weapons permit, and can quite often be found with a Baretta 92 or Browning Hi-Power on my person (would prefer a 1911, but it's a work licence and .45s arent allowed:( )
I probably spend as much time on a range as you do, some of it compulsory for licence requirements, most of it for the pure fun of blasting holes in stuff.
Quite often I share the range with cops, if guns were illegal here I'm pretty sure one of them would have said something by now.
What they banned was assault weapons, pump action shotguns (now that one is beyond me) and semi-autos.
They allso made it a mandatory requirement for firearms owners to have a licence and register their guns.
Apart from close encounters with the porcine kind in dense scrub, I havent missed the semi-autos at all, and the .30/30 is fast enough for that kind of work anyway.
There were a lot of AKs, SKSs,SLRs (FN-FAL), AR15s and 18s, M1s and countless small .22 semis handed in (along with enough M2 .50 BMG machine guns to fit out a rebuilt B24:huh), but you got to keep any bolt action, lever action or break-barrel weapons.
They allso gave ridiculous amounts of compensation for guns handed in, usually WAY above market value. I got $1500 or so for a pair of non-functional, total junk SKSs and a rusty old M1 carbine.
The SAC and SPAS 12, $1400 each, a bit more than twice what I paid for them a few thousand rounds ago.
The only right we gave up was the right to have nutters armed with Chinese assault rifles roaming our tourist spots, dont think they'll be missed much either.
It was way to easy for any idiot to get whatever gun they liked beforehand, I personally, at the grand old age of thirteen, walked into the local gunshop, handed over a couple hundred bucks, and walked out with an Australian Automatic Arms SAC (pretty much a mini SLR chambered for 5.56 NATO and using M16 mags) and two thousand rounds, plus two spare mags.
Came back the next day and bought a Franchi SPAS 12 and 500 rounds.
I hadnt even produced any ID and I walked out of there packing more firepower than any cop in town.
I was too young to drive, drink, vote or join the military, but they were fine with me walking out of the shop one day with an assault rifle and the next with a combat shotgun...dunno about you, but I find that whole scenario a bit disturbing, what if I was some nutter out to go postal?, they had no way of knowing.
That kind of thing cant happen anymore.
BTW
.(http://gc.stud.tue.nl/oz/photos/maps/Australian_Flag.sized.jpg)
Take note of the Union Jack in the upper left corner , same spot you guys have all those stars.......something vaguely familiar about it??
Hate to break it to ya Laz, but we are, and allways have been stuanchly proud members of the British Commonwealth.
Doesnt mean we dont think Brits are all limp wristed whinging tea fetishists, but thats beside the point ;) They are our limp wristed, whinging, tea fetishist mates......who we whup at every sport they ever invented and several they didnt.
Anyone got any pliers? This hook kinda hurts :)
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What they banned was assault weapons, pump action shotguns
In the U.S.A. we call that a gun ban. Heck, I called it a gun ban when the liberal left voted in an assault weapon import/threaded rifle barrel/bayonet/magazine ban. It was the height of stupidity. I'm glad Bush allowed it to go away without looking back.
I'll just never understand gun banners or the people who award multi-billion dollar settlements against tobacco companies. If you take the person who is actually responsible for using the tool or product out of the picture; then ban cars, they kill more people than guns every year. Or how about alcohol? I have never heard a legit reason for that other than I like it & I want it & look how many people die because of that.
There has to be a line drawn when people are forced to take responsibility for their own actions & stop blaming inanimate objects. People kill people.
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Australia consumes more beer per capita than any other country, but that may not be good. there could be supply & demand trouble when the foster's guys see what the oil guys are doing & realize they're on an island....:noid :noid :noid :noid :cry :mad:
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so bluedog... you are saying that if I were a citizen there i would have no problem with getting a concealled carry permit for my Kimber..oops nope that'a a semi auto.... how bout my 340PD smith or say.... my cut down 44 ruger magnum?
You say that the only thing that changed is there are no bands of cheap ak 47 thugs running around... was that a big problem? How many M1 garand thugs were running amuk? 1897 tech pump shotgun guys?
Looking into my gun safe...It would appear that half or more of my guns would be illegal and.... Not even the deadliest ones at that... just ones some woman in the U.N. doesn't like and....I don't want $1500 for any of em unless I can go buy a better example of the same thing the next day
So... I can bring all my revolvers and carry em right? I can keep my pump remington 30-06? How bout my semi auto shotgun? None of my semi auto pistols except whatever it is that you have... berreta? yuk. I have a couple of nice 22 semi auto pistols... why would they be banned?
Sorry... Just seem like a very sweeping ban to me and.... I can't help but feel that the regestration is simply the next to last step in confiscation... I don't think you guys will fight it much if it happens.... someone will shoot an old lady or two with a high powered rifle and that will be it.
lazs
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I think the australians were worried about the roos shooting back.
They've been forever scarred by hollywood.
EDIT: RPM.. How about NE New Mexico? I went through there 30 years ago and said "I have GOT to come back here!" Tall pines, pasture land, very pretty country.. and isolated. At least it was in the 70's.... wonder what it's like now?
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Originally posted by Mr Big
Anyone in the "energy" business is EVIL!
rpm = Bush
Bobby Ewing wasn't evil
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Skip right past Mexico, Costa Rica is that spot. Very nice country, friendly to americans, and relatively cheap.
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Handguns are differant Laz, if you have a permit , it doesnt matter if it is semi auto, wheelgun or a flintlock for that matter.
I'm not saying I think banning semi autos was a good idea, I do think restricting who can and cant have one was.
Just saying, dont get the idea Aussies have no guns, that just isnt true, far from it.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Handguns are differant Laz, if you have a permit , it doesnt matter if it is semi auto, wheelgun or a flintlock for that matter.
I'm not saying I think banning semi autos was a good idea, I do think restricting who can and cant have one was.
Just saying, dont get the idea Aussies have no guns, that just isnt true, far from it.
Sounds like the thought of 10,000 enraged aborigines with FALS scared the crap outta yah.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Bobby Ewing wasn't evil
The thread was about RPM finding a new home. Mr Big can't turn off his boosh bashing switch long enough to participate.:rofl
How the hell you been Gainsie?
Lowe.:)
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SRY messed up,
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Ya know, I hadn't thought of Northern NM. I really enjoyed the Farmington area, but isn't that area the holistic Mecca? Don't need a buncha crystal huggers for neighbors if I can help it.
Costa Rica sounds excellent. I think the cost of living is pretty good there and it only drawback is hurricanes, but heck I've ridden those out before.
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blue...you can email me if you like... perhaps I am reading the wrong stuff.... it appears that they chance of me getting a permit to carry a handgun is near impossible in your country and that most of the firearms I have would be illegal to own.... and... that everything I own would have to be regestered by the government and they could come and get it at any time.
Who exactly were you afraid might have these fireams? can't help but think it was me you had in mind. Can't help but think that the new laws were just not the end of it except that now..... they know who owns what and where to go to round em up.
lazs
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RPM build a log cabin in Kentucky, study Law by candlelight and hell run for the Presidency!
You'd have it made then.... save the South from itself!!!
Free America!
Mac
BTW I want IN also!
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A log cabin? I used to live in one of those (no joke, it was a drafty son of a gun), but never studied law by candlelight. But I'll tell ya what, I'll put you on the ticket for VP. We could be a truly bipartisan ticket and set some sheeit straight.:aok
How about Gunslinger for SecDef and Nash for Secretary of State? (We'd have to forge some papers for Nash, tho.)