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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mason22 on August 22, 2001, 02:22:00 PM
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i'm kind of a V-8 guy , but damn this town is full of these,
click here (http://geijn.lagcity.com/gti/index.html)
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Thats not Japanese, its German :confused:.
Besides, my Japanese vehicle has a V8 :p.
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Well... some Japaneese guys who seems to be very fond of his VW. The truth is that a Honda will run circles around that daft Golf any day :D
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"Ultimate Driving Machine". Nuff said.
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"Ultimate Ad Campaign" ;)
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Three letters:
W
R
X
;)
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Haven't driven a BMW have ya funked? Advice, do not! No matter what your income level, you will find a way to buy one, it handles like no other car I've driven (which includes 911's and a 944)...WRX? ain't that a front wheel drive car? Get outta here! ;)
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LOL they really sold you a bill of goods didn't they! ;)
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Actually, it happened by mistake...a friend over a year ago dropped off a 1992 525 at my house and used my truck for the week-end, the first day I drove this auto, it was like quality slapped me in the face, the way it hugged the road, the way the doors closed, the way it shifted...then I decided "Okay, maybe, just maybe they don't buy these for status symbols..."
Then the second day of driving it, while still admiring the handling, I looked down at the odometer (thinking this car had low milege) and it showed 198,500 miles...I was sold and started saving...
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Dunno Rip - the only car I can even think of to replace my '92 Prelude is 330 Convertible but it's just a tad beyond the means now.
My girlfriend drives Z3 and is bugging me to replace the car but I just can't find another perfect blend of driveability (BMW road hugging? you should try cornering with 4 wheel steering ;)) comfort and all the gadgets in the right place. 127K on the clock and my driving (just under 100 wherever possible and g/f not in the car ;)) and zero oil consumption + 32mpg... 15 feet of Japaneese finest engineering. My Big Beautiful Doll :)
p.s. I actually don't fancy Z3's handling - they've got it wrong in the steering ratios (IMHO) - the front wheels are somewhere far ahead and steering is very twitchy - very small movement of the steering wheel produce very small effect and another inch or so and you're cornering on two wheels... But it does sound beautifully and feels very solid :)
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: -lynx- ]
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Honda= front wheel drive
BMW=Rear wheel drive
You don't see too many circuit races with RWD cars...maybe Honda will wake up one day and realize that there's a market out there for RWD sports cars, Lexus has..and Audi is coming around too.
She got a 2000 Z3? They dumbed down the steering (soft steering) in that year..
I might add that I never test drove a Z3, wasn't interested since no back seat, but, I've heard they drive quite a bit different than the sister 300 series, someone compared its steering to a very fast go-cart. Dunno if thats good or bad..Hajo owns one though.
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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Speaking of which,
Who has the highest HP/Torque of any foreign or domestic in US?
Volkswagen
http://www.fantasycars.com/1/2001/Bugatti1001/bugatti1001.html (http://www.fantasycars.com/1/2001/Bugatti1001/bugatti1001.html)
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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Ripsnort - if Funked means the Subaru Impreza WRX, then it blows the stuffing out of your old-fashioned, stuck-in-the-mud, old man about town, long in the tooth BMW crap. :p It's also four wheel drive, not FWD.
The standard British edition (Turbo 2000) is four wheel drive BTW, mainly because it has 280 BHP under the bonnet (err...sorry I mean 'hood'). And that's 280 BHP on a very light car.
The WRX is available as a grey import from Japan over here (same as the US I'm guessing).
You'll also find that many European sports saloon racing series involve cars that are solely FWD.
BTW, most Japanese sports saloons are four wheel drive - mainly because of the brute force.
Nissan Skyline GTR anyone?
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Hell, most Japanese cars blow the hell outta their co-level competitors, such as 300 series in this case, just read this article, you'll know why HP doesn't hold much water in the car that has won Car of the Year award 9 of the last 10 years...it has nothing to do with HP.
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/comparisontests/2001/January/200101_comparisontest_bloodwarmers.xml?&page=1 (http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/comparisontests/2001/January/200101_comparisontest_bloodwarmers.xml?&page=1)
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Rip I'm sure they are nice cars. Just a bit overpriced/overhyped. So I like to make fun of them. ;)
You have a good point about RWD. FWD is better for most driving, but if you are trying to put down a lot of horsepower on a dry road, RWD has some dynamic advantages. Also, FWD in a high-powered car means the outer halfshaft joints have to transmit torque while dealing with suspension motion and big steering angles, which tends to cause early failures if you drive harder than the "average" driver.
On the other hand, in Touring Car racing FWD Integras and Accords have been beating RWD 3-series BMWs for years. ;)
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PS I think 4WD is the best, but it has weight and friction penalties. As for the WRX, it is ugly, but it is quick. If I can fit into one (I have headroom trouble in small cars), I'll give a full test report as soon as I can get the loan approved. :D
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Dowding, if indeed the WRX is 260 HP, then t's not even in the same classification as the 300 series,(We would measure BMW M3 in that HP class if indeed,)
Even the BMW 330iT, the all-wheel drive model (40% front, 60% rear) loses time because of penalites funked stated above.
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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Originally posted by Dowding:
Ripsnort - if Funked means the Subaru Impreza WRX, then it blows the stuffing out of your old-fashioned, stuck-in-the-mud, old man about town, long in the tooth BMW crap. :p It's also four wheel drive, not FWD.
The standard British edition (Turbo 2000) is four wheel drive BTW, mainly because it has 280 BHP under the bonnet (err...sorry I mean 'hood'). And that's 280 BHP on a very light car.
The WRX is available as a grey import from Japan over here (same as the US I'm guessing).
You'll also find that many European sports saloon racing series involve cars that are solely FWD.
BTW, most Japanese sports saloons are four wheel drive - mainly because of the brute force.
Nissan Skyline GTR anyone?
The american version of it is 227 HP, just compared it next to my 330 which is 225 HP. Numbers show that the 330 is a hair faster, at 6.3 seconds in 0-60, than the WRX...tell 'em to lose that AWD and they'd go a bit faster! Incidently, BMW 330 max speed is 155, I'll race ya long course! ;)
(http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1722739&a=13481434&p=53210030)
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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what rip said.
the novelty period doesn't wear off with a bmw. it's been a few years here and i still look for reasons to go out.
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Actually the last 330 test I saw showed that the top speed was electronically limited to less than 130 mph. Hell my bone-stock 30 mpg Civic is faster than that. :D
WRX numbers are more like 5.6 sec 0-60, low 14 sec 1/4 miles, 130 mph top speed. Pretty similar to the BMW, but $15k less.
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Well, I did not want to buy a BMW at first, I was trying to find a ride that matched the ride of it, so I tried :
Volvo's
Mercedes (too much $$!)
Honda's
Audi's
Lexus
Didn't try Subaru's, they look like very nice cars.
Test drove the 330 last...had I not driven the 330 and if the 330 had FWD, I think Honda TL type S might have been the car I bought, drove a TL (they didn't have the type S in yet) and was a great car. Just something about hitting 2nd gear and smoking the back tires of the car around the corner made it feel better, but then again, I'm reliving my teenage years (62' Ford Falcon with 302 Boss and Hearst in-line shifter, flat 13.0's at the track)
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Rip are you getting an auto or a stick?
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Actually the last 330 test I saw showed that the top speed was electronically limited to less than 130 mph. Hell my bone-stock 30 mpg Civic is faster than that. :D
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
Dinan sells a software download to remove the governer set at 128 mph, which I have an appointment set up to have them do this (allows 155 mph).
Still looking for 0-60 numbers on the net, so far for WRX it only lists "Low 6" for numbers, still searching...yes, the price is significantly lower!
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PS I don't mean to compare the WRX to the BMW. They have a lot of differences beyond performance and price. Other than the performance I would say the BMW is a lot more car, and certainly much better looking.
I don't think the Honda Accords or any of the Acura sedans are that great. Honda engineers are best at small, light cars. I wish they would stick to that instead of trying to cater to America's thirst for luxobarges and Suburbanites' Useless Vehicles.
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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0-60 numbers from Road & Track, Car and Driver, Motor Trend were all under 6 sec. For some reason Subaru only claims 6.1 or something like that. I guess they have conservative engineers.
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What amazes me is how they managed to get 227 HP out of a 4 cyl. engine! Gawd!
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Originally posted by funkedup:
0-60 numbers from Road & Track, Car and Driver, Motor Trend were all under 6 sec. For some reason Subaru only claims 6.1 or something like that. I guess they have conservative engineers.
Ah, rgr that, BMW claims 6.3 for the 330, but C&D had it at 5.9...I noticed that Suburu is about 900 lbs lighter too! (Rip starts ripping out leather interior, Walrus hide dashboard, 12 speakers....)
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Number of cylinders doesn't mean all that much. But the displacement is only 2.0 liters and 227 hp from that is very good.
The main thing that makes that possible is the turbo and intercooler. It's got WEP basically. :)
Honda and Ferrari build some engines that get more than 100 hp / liter without a turbo, but they both use high revs and variable valve timing to pull that off.
Also remember that these are peak HP numbers. The power curve is usually pretty peaky. At low RPMs a larger displacement engine will probably have more power, even if it can't match the peak figure. So these engines need close gear ratios and a good driver to keep the engine in the optimal rpm range. Even better is a 6-speed transmission which is becoming more common.
The most amazing thing about these 100 hp/l engines is that they don't blow up. 100 hp/l has been possible in racing for 35 years or so, but those engines only had to last a few hours. The new engines can go 100,000 miles without a tune up. Scary!
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Not sure about that weight thing. I thought they were both around 3200 lb?
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Answer me this: I have a 'direct drive 1:1 5th gear"...ie, no overdrive, but a direct 1:1 gear, what does that buy me?
MPG is 29 in city, 21 around town, reports from others is they avg. about 27 mpg overall.
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I've owned a '93 BMW 525i, a '93 Nissan 300ZX, an '86 Jaguar XJ6, a 92 Pontiac Grand Prix, a '96 Dodge Caravan, '98 Volkswagen Jetta (Wolfsburg) and too many late model VWs to list.
I currently own 2 '71 Chevy Blazers, 1 '74 Chevy pickup, 1 '92 Audi 100CS (A6) Wagon and 1 '01 Acura Integra.
By far and away, the car with the most class and style combined with fit and handling was the Jag. Its not even close. The Jag, however, is a mechanical nightmare. Unless you can get one and replace the stock engine/tranny/driveline with a Chevy 350/TH400 combo, they will never be reliable. It looks like Ford may have helped them improve considerably, but that still needs to stand the test of time.
The BMW 525i was a decent mesh of style and sportiness. The fit was good, but much of the interior was too cold. I never really warmed up to this car and got rid of it after only 1 year.
The 300ZX was one of my favorites. If it was a Twin Turbo, it would have been my all-time favorite. It had the most neutral handling of any car I'd ever driven. But it suffered from being too heavy (think it was the heaviest of all the cars listed). And 225 HP just wasn't quite enough HP for it.
The Grand Prix was a "Richard Petty Limited Edition" that had a 3.4 L engine in it with a 5 speed transmission. It was rated at 210 HP and felt like it. The downside was it was front wheel drive and suffered from torque stear. It would actually pull you 3 feet to the right on a hard start.
The 98 Jetta was a pretty nice car, but things started falling off after a year. I got rid of it before anything noticable hit the ground. It was tight, handled well but only had 115 HP. It was peppy to 30, but was useless between 30-60. It handled extremely well and had one of the roomiest trunks of all the cars (BMW was perhaps the roomiest).
The Audi and Minivan were bought for my wife. She makes me drive them if there is a chance of single women seeing me. It makes her feel more comfortable.
I just purchased an Acura Integra GT-R (2001) last month. Its a small car with a decent 170 HP engine. The thing is a monster beteen 4000-7000RPM. Unfortunately, it doesn't handle all that well for a small size frontwheel drive. I mean, its decent... but the VW beat it. Of course, the VW didn't have the HP to even touch it in any kind of straight.
I think most of the cars I've owned have been pretty decent... each with a very distinct set of pros and cons.
The only cars I know I'll stick with forever are my Chevy Blazers and "The Truck". These are my babies... everything else is just transportation.
AKDejaVu
PS.. if you can't get a girl's attention by driving an '83-'86 Jaguar, you might as well go gay. This car would even be a babe magnet for SOB.
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LOL about the Babe Magnet for SOB!
Anyway, my 99' Ford Explorer had 4 recalls in 1.5 years, 2 of them life threatening, will never own another Ford product again most likely...used to be a Ford man, but they pissed me off with false advertisement "FORD-Quality Number One" and all their friggin' recalls.
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BTW.. that VW engine you linked too isn't that bad... but remember when Oldsmobile was pumping 1200 HP out of the Quad-4? Hehehe.. every dog has their day.
Oh.. and you can't use the "inneficiency" argument on all-wheel-drive cars. There are too many years when an AWD car simply kicks everyone else's ass. I think the Audi Quatro Sport started the trend. The Mitsubishi whatever continued it... as does the Subaru. Given enough horsepower and a small enough frame... AWD is going to kick some serious ass.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Rip are you getting an auto or a stick?
Sorry, missed this one, Stick! With Sports package!
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Good Rip, you're alright then. :D
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Bah!!! YOU wussies and your cars. Get a truck! :D I (and notice I said "I") own a 1986 Toyota 4x4. If Rip came up to me an asked to trade his BMW for my Truck....I couldn't do it. Don't get me wrong the truck is not good by today's standards, it has slow acceleration, slow overall top speed (only about 110 max), and the old 4cyl 4.0 liter engine is starting to burn alot of oil. But the good thing about this truck is the gas mileage and the fact that no matter where you wanna go, it will get you there.....it may take awhile but it WILL get you there. :)
BTW I was so happy about a week ago when the truck hit 250,000 miles on it. :)
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Beefcake ]
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and BTW Rip, my Dads dodge 3500 Ram would KILL your BMW, and maim your Ford 250 :D
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Subaru is made for rally (WRC-group or A, some are in N too) and its not "too" comfortable car.
BMW is much better for everyday use and more comfortable.
btw I'm going to see "Neste Rally Finland" (former "Rally of the thousands lakes") this weekend.
Grönholm, Auriol,Panizzi, both McRaes, Saintz,Delecour, burns, Mäkinen, Loix, Kankkunen, Schwartz, Thiry and couple old farts like Alen and Blomqvist and loads of younger drivers are going to see who's the daddy :D
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YOU wussies and your cars. Get a truck! I (and notice I said "I") own a 1986 Toyota 4x4.
I thought you said you owned a truck? Hell... the kids in the neighborhood play with Toyotas on the dirtpile at the construction sight at the end of the block. Their a little more durable than the Tonkas they normally play with.
:D
the old 4cyl 4.0 liter engine
You sure about that?
AKDejaVu
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DjV maybe its size of oilpan ? :D
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Originally posted by Beefcake:
and BTW Rip, my Dads dodge 3500 Ram would KILL your BMW, and maim your Ford 250 :D
BMW yes F250...AHAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA AAAAAA
:p
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Oh please, dont make me start talking about the vette...
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btw DjV first car (AFAIR) with 4WD in serie-production was British "Jensen Interceptor FF" which were using Ferguson's 4wd system. Heh it also got somekind of ABS and Antiskid system too :eek:
Year was in middle of sixties... :)
edit:
Friends own few rare Volvos:
Valp c202 4x4 "Van", more recent version c303 with rised axles and TP21 command-car. Those cars really turn heads when they are in public places ;)
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Staga ]
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I didn't say the Audi Sport was the first AWD car. It is the first one that blew every car away off the line. Hell.. the Quattro had been out for a few years already... Subarus for quite a while longer.
None of them did 0-60 in under 5 seconds though... that was the Audi Sport's job ;)
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Answer me this: I have a 'direct drive 1:1 5th gear"...ie, no overdrive, but a direct 1:1 gear, what does that buy me?
MPG is 29 in city, 21 around town, reports from others is they avg. about 27 mpg overall.
Rip, if I remember right newer BMWs have a 1:1 5th gear couple with a fairly high final drive ratio. Check the numbers, I'd bet your ratio is less then 3:1. Also, compared to similar cars with a conventional OD, your transmission gear ratios should be much lower (higher numerically). And when you think about it, speeding up the driveshaft with a normal OD only to slow it down again in the rear-end seems kinda silly.
What doeas it buy you? Well, I suppose you'll have less frictional losses as the driveshaft is spinning slower. Other than that, it should behave just like an ordinary 5-speed.
btw, got a bimmer myself, the great-granddaddy of yours :)
(http://plaza.ufl.edu/shamblin/brian-and-tii.jpg)
ok, no thats not mine (and that aint me either), but it will look like that someday.
back on topic, the engine sound on that rice-burner is hilarious :) and realistic too!
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Regurge ]
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I actually watched the video now, and it's pretty lame.
There are plenty of Hondas that will run mid 12's if they have a blower and a bottle like the Fartvergnugen machine there.
Looks more like a racist thing than anything to do with car performance. If they are trying to make fun of guys who spend lots of money on cosmetics instead of performance parts, they could do it without the ethnic or brand references.
I've seen plenty of white guys driving "riced-out" VWs around here that can barely hang with my stock Si even though they wasted $7-10k more than I did. Those posers are just as lame as the ricers IMHO. Even worse if they are making weak bellybutton movies like that. ;)
[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Nice car Regurge, is that a 2002? There is a big club of 2002 owners here in the PNW, they're great cars!
Found out that the 1:1 ratio in 5th allows better torque than a regular OD gear. These cars LOVE high RPMS, manual states for break in period:
"Do not exceed 4500 rpm or 100 mph during the initial break in period".....
Man that gonna be hard!
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http://www.bmwlemon.com/ (http://www.bmwlemon.com/)
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i was curious if the 'hopped up' lil 4 cyl car thing was an unfortunate nationwide trend or just another californism.
especially in the sunset distric here i see these purple hondas with giant fins and metallic yellow rims bouncing along sounding ridiculuous. muffler missing??
granted, mostly they are highschool kids but when i was in highschool my first car was a 73 lemans that went, ya know, fast and it was primered, not due to fashion but as combat against the rust and in preparation of that ever elusive paintjob.
i'd a been laughed at showing up in some little silly 4cyl with a big pink fin......<shakes head>...kids....
oh yeah and what's with people putting the big nike logo on their back window? are they really advertising nike or does that mean something else - like look i'm a pimp?
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I went to a car show a couple of weeks ago that had some 500 cars at it. The funniest part of the whole thing were some high school kids that had entered their tricked out '86 Honda Accords. Talk about out of place.
AKDejaVu
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Here is a quality site: http://www.riceboypage.com/ (http://www.riceboypage.com/)
Check the Hall of Shame (all volumes).
Rice comes in many flavors:
(http://www.raf303.org/funked/computer.jpg)
(http://www.raf303.org/funked/355-turbo.jpg)
(http://www.raf303.org/funked/cav_1.jpg)
(http://www.raf303.org/funked/probe.jpg)
[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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I saw the title of this thread and thought I'd be looking at Sport Bikes. :D
Looking to purchase a middleweight and debating between the Honda CBR600F4i and the Yamaha YZF600R.
Any opinions from owners???
Enduro
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heh, you guys crack me up...
anyhow, here's my ride: V8 baby! vroooom.
(http://www.gmc.com/sierra/ht/images/landing_truck_photo.jpg)
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Mason is a liar. I saw his car when we were in Austin. Here's Mason's Camry:
(http://www.raf303.org/funked/camry_18sec.jpg)
Check out that dial-in time!
[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Funkedup.. that rice-boy web sight is classic. Thanks for the link.
AKDejaVu
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What makes me laugh is three or four spoke 15-16inch alu-rims with painted drum-brakes inside.
I drive old Peugeot with Fondmetal rims but at least I got disks around. Nice to have when braking down from 200kmh :D
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My favorite was the Ferrari 355 with the Porsche "turbo" emblem on it.
Who would paste a "turbo" emblem on a 400hp $130,000 car? I think that takes the cake.
The cross-drilled brake rotor "spacers" were pretty funny though :D
AKDejaVu
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I like the BMW in terms of comfort level.
But comfort level is low down on the list at my time in life. ;)
I could afford a Impreza Turbo on a 97 plate, but the insurance costs for anyone of my age would be impossible for me to meet.
Unfortunately I'm banned from driving for a year since being diagnosed as epileptic, so it's all academic. :)
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Originally posted by Enduro Rider:
I saw the title of this thread and thought I'd be looking at Sport Bikes. :D
Looking to purchase a middleweight and debating between the Honda CBR600F4i and the Yamaha YZF600R.
Any opinions from owners???
Enduro
Pick the new ZX-6R has hte ponies and with the new suspension is a real performer. But then again I am very biased towards the Kaw's. And they look so damn perty in green.
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for a new car, for 30 grand you cant beat the 2001.5 passat with quattro and v6
my dad had to pick between the WRX and the passat, but for 5 grand the passat won..
leather, sooo much nicer, looks better, more trunk, better sound, more luxury, though it does have 35 less hp and doesnt accelerate nearly as well as the wrx. its still good enuf tho.
i found an awesome bmw 540i 1995 for 10 grand, but since im 22 they wanna charge me 2800 a year for insurance which i cannot afford :(
the insurance would be 2/3 as much as my my payments on a 2 year 8000 loan! sick.
Golly-geeed insurance.
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Zigrat, age has its benefits...no accidents, no tickets in 20 years (only had one accident in my life, a illegal alien stole a Continental in CA and drove it to WA, ran a red light and I hit him as I crossed the intersection, with my motorcycle)...my insurance will be $799 a year. :)
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for a new car, for 30 grand you cant beat the 2001.5 passat with quattro and v6
Hmmm... That is if you can stand the daftest dashboard lights colour. I test drove it and... couldn't :D
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FYI: You can get a 185 hp 300 series BMW for cheaper than a VW Passat or a 225 hp version for just a hair more...brand new.
[ 08-28-2001: Message edited by: Ripsnort ]
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.....
"Small-Blocks for small minds." :cool:
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the passat is nicer than the 3 series imo
the 5 series is another story. i hate the looks of the 7 series it looks like something an old man should be in.
btw i like the color of teh dask lights in the passat its pimpin lookin!!!
ohhh and i would never buy a new 5 series, tahts dumb. if i had that kind of cash i would buy that mig 15. bmw is a nice car but it cannot do mach .92 :)
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bmw is a nice car but it cannot do mach .92
I believe the M5 can. :D
AKDejaVu
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Here's mine (except the color, mine's green):
(http://media3.motorcities.com/01E29482907749B.jpeg)
V8 heh heh. :D
Toyota reliablity too. :p