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Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: LePaul on August 24, 2001, 11:16:00 AM
Ok, who watched the interview with Connie Chung?  Did you squirm and shake your head through it like the rest of us?

My girlfriend, who steers clear of politics, was besides herself watching this guy try and try to change the topic, chant rehearsed lines and generally be non-cooperative.  I think the Democrat on the O'Reilly Show after said it best...roughly put, "An unmitigated PR disaster".

Do you think a lot of it was also that the interview was with a female?  I kinda think had he been interviewed by a male, he might have come across a bit differently.  But Chung was very good and very direct.

A very very bad for Mr Condit.  I think we just witnessed political suicide.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: mrfish on August 24, 2001, 01:08:00 PM
in it's day, 'little red riding hood' was a parable meant to teach girls to avoid avaricious men (through symbolism of course).

maybe this event and the clinton thing are good modern lessons for girls trying to take shortcuts to the top by bangin' their local politicians. if they'll cheat on their wives with you while holding the public trust, you have no idea what else they are capable of.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: jihad on August 24, 2001, 01:46:00 PM
Yeah, I watched it. His nickname should be *Stonewall*, as far as political suicide goes you hammered that nail.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Ripsnort on August 24, 2001, 01:50:00 PM
Whats ironic is the libs out there demanding the truth, where were they when the big head hancho was doing the same thing as this guy?

Truth? What do libs know about truth?  They didn't demand it with Clinton, but now, they do(Yeah, so what, the girl is missing, does that make 'wanting the truth' any more realistic?  For crying out loud, CLinton LIED in a federal court, this guy has NOT lied in a federal court)
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: LePaul on August 24, 2001, 02:40:00 PM
I'm going to savor this brief brief moment in history...in that Jihad and I agree on something   :)

Its nice to know that despite creed or political leanings, we can all clearly see that what Condit is doing is just plain lame.  That's the nicest way I can put it.

Amazing how Mr Gephardt, who has as adamant supporter has now traded horses   :)  No one wants to ride that sinking ship anymore.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: AKDejaVu on August 24, 2001, 03:06:00 PM
What amazes me is how many people are amazed when a politician acts like a politician.

AKDejaVu
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Checkmate on August 24, 2001, 03:22:00 PM
Checkmate: Raises his galss toward AKDejaVu   ;)
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Thrawn on August 24, 2001, 03:43:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Whats ironic is the libs out there demanding the truth, where were they when the big head hancho was doing the same thing as this guy?

Truth? What do libs know about truth?  They didn't demand it with Clinton, but now, they do(Yeah, so what, the girl is missing, does that make 'wanting the truth' any more realistic?  For crying out loud, CLinton LIED in a federal court, this guy has NOT lied in a federal court)

Wow, nice hijack attempt!   :D
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: jihad on August 24, 2001, 04:11:00 PM
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Originally posted by LePaul:
I'm going to savor this brief brief moment in history...in that Jihad and I agree on something    :)

Its nice to know that despite creed or political leanings, we can all clearly see that what Condit is doing is just plain lame.  That's the nicest way I can put it.

Amazing how Mr Gephardt, who has as adamant supporter has now traded horses    :)  No one wants to ride that sinking ship anymore.

 We're probably closer on a lot more issues than you think - the biggest difference between us is I'm not blinded by any ideology, I try to look at issues realistically before I form my opinions.

One opinion we probably differ on is peoples sex lives are their OWN business, the only thing I find more distasteful than Clinton or Condit lying about their extramarital affairs is the medias and Republicans <mostly> vicarious obsession with other peoples sex lives.

I could go on about dubyas extramarital affairs in the past but whats the point in it?
  ;)
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Kieran on August 24, 2001, 04:38:00 PM
The point is you're gonna miss out on all the fun! j/k

Condit doesn't need to look at the screaming passengers next to him to know his political fortunes are going down in flames...
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Gman on August 24, 2001, 05:47:00 PM
I wonder if Condit used the same guys who the Clintons used to rub all their enemies out.

Nah.  They're democrats, they wouldn't actually hurt anyone.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Cobra on August 24, 2001, 08:58:00 PM
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Originally posted by jihad:

 I could go on about dubyas extramarital affairs in the past but whats the point in it?
   ;)


Maybe because none of them have disappeared??

Cobra
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: fscott on August 24, 2001, 10:18:00 PM
What *EXACTLY* was Condit supposed to have admitted to that he hasn't already?

Chung: Did you kill Levy?
Condit: No.

You folks need to *STOP AND THINK*, and quit jumping aboard the media bandwagon who crave anything that relates to sex.

Condit simply avoided answering questions about sexual relations with Levy because it is NOT RELEVANT to the CHUNG INTERVIEW.
 
Condit knows that admitting to sexual relations to Chung would DEGRADE into a media frenzy of reports about WHAT KIND OF SEXUAL RELATIONS.

Something like this:

Chung: Did you have sexual relations with Levy?

Condit: Yes..

Chung: what kind?

Condit: (giving in to what the media and the googly-eyed public wants to hear) Oh hell, we did the old 69, numerous times, no cigars though, pepperoni.. 18 inch pepperoni sticks. I F*CKED her at least 300 times within the span of 5 months. My 13-incher pounded that snatch like a meat tenderizer.

Now YOU ALL TELL ME what does this kind of nonsense have to do with the CHUNG INTERVIEW?

Condit answered the questions that the POLICE asked.  Just because an investigator says he *FEELS* Condit is being evasive is NOT proveable.  This man is only trying to protect his PERSONAL DIGNITY, of which hardly nothing is left due to our wonderful media.

Now before you media slobs cite examples from the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, please understand that the Clinton scandal WAS ABOUT SEX.

The Condit/Levy is NOT.

I cannot understand the public's fascination with hearing the details about one's sexual relations with another.

These are the only questions he did not answer directly.  Because he has no obligation to, ONLY to the police, of which he DID answer.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Maverick on August 24, 2001, 10:54:00 PM
Fscott,

yep yer right. Clintoon was about sex. Condit is about more than sex. It seems he may have taken a page from another great democrat. Perhaps he just drove her off a bridge. No, HE didn't kill her, that nasty old water killed her!   :p

In all seriousness this is more about sex, It's likely to be about sex and murder.  :eek:

Mav

This could be the start of a new democrat survey. Two out of three democratic politicians not only have affairs but remove the other half of the afair,,,, permanently!  :D
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Fatty on August 24, 2001, 11:06:00 PM
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These are the only questions he did not answer directly. Because he has no obligation to, ONLY to the police, of which he DID answer.

Interestingly enough, the police chief today equated his cooperation with them as on par with his cooperation with Connie Chung.

Aside from calling every woman involved in this a liar, this is why people have a problem with his conduct.  From the beginning, he could have helped find a missing girl.  From the beginning he distanced himself from the situation as quickly and inexplicably as possible.

Is he legally bound to do more than he has done?  Absolutely not, pending a possible grand jury on obstruction.  It does, however, make him a coward and a selfish bellybutton of the utmost degree, and a politician is most definately accountable for that (though not as often as we might like).

[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: Fatty ]
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: fscott on August 24, 2001, 11:09:00 PM
Mav. No.

The point is what did you people expect Condit to admit to?

Did you all think he was going to get on national television and admit to killing Levy? Of course no one was expecting to hear that... they all were expecting to hear intimate details about their sex life!

How many times and how many ways he and Levy did the wild thing.  That's what everyone wanted, and now everyone is pissed and dissapointed.

There's nothing else to it. He answered the only relevant questions that we needed to hear.  Did you kill levy?  No. Do you know what happened to her?  No.

Put it this way, since 80% of you people have committed some form of adultry, whether it be against your wife or your current lover(s), would you all be so willing to step onto the pedestal of justice and announce to the local police, "hey I had sexual relations with that chic just last night... sorry to hear she's missing..."

Hell no...

80% of you would high tail it on a long vacation in the Alps, even if you had nothing to do with person missing. Why? Cause no one wants to be a "suspect".  

80% would keep your mouth SHUT until the police were tipped off about your relations. Then of course you would just willingly spill all the intimate details about your relations.

Sure...

And now you expect the same of Condit? Gimme a break.

[ 08-24-2001: Message edited by: fscott ]
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Fatty on August 25, 2001, 12:09:00 AM
Yes.  I would expect that much more than 80% of us would be extremely anxious to help locate a woman we were sleeping with who was missing, rather than making a useless attempt at saving our psuedo political career.

But then again maybe you're right, she was just an intern after all, right   :rolleyes:
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Sandman on August 25, 2001, 12:31:00 AM
It's laughable the way the media frenzies over this.

This "interview" reflects poorly on both the media and Condit. I can't understand why he agreed to an interview only to continue his same story. Chung knew which questions were off limits before they even started and Condit kept to his script. This is just a reason to sell advertising. There was no new info. Condit has allowed himself to be a pawn in the media machine.

If it's true that Condit is a bit of a shark and he's had multiple affairs, and I believe it is true (but still irrelevant), Condit would be a complete idiot to single out one and kill her.

This man had nothing to do with her disappearance. He's a victim of circumstance.

Let's face it. Politicians are just people. They have all the faults that we do. So he's failed at monogamy. Big deal. Happens every day and millions of adulterers don't find themselves on television because of it.

I predict that we will never know what happened to Levy. We'll know what happened to Condit. He'll be back home in California making six-figures for some corporation. There will be interns there also and some bimbo will sleep with him again only to sell her story to the press for her 15 minutes of fame while they rehash the Levy story again. Then if we're really lucky, Condit will also get a ticket for drunk driving and we'll get to hear about Levy again. Or, he'll get a divorce and we'll hear about Levy again. Or, he'll get remarried and we'll hear about Levy again.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Nash on August 25, 2001, 05:47:00 AM
It's right out of the pages of some Greek tragedy or, hell... Wolfe's Bonfire of the Vanities. Condit the poor stupid sonuhvasqueak... his vice got him in way over his head.

Hell of a story though - can't blame the media exactly. I mean.... we eat this toejam up. We LOVE it! It is a media zoo and a dogpile of epic proportions. Good fun. Ohhh but poor Chandra is missing! What will we do?! Spare me. Like you really give a toss. Tack up any missing persons posters lately? Donated to the 'cause'? Cheeyah right. Anyways, I was half expecting Connie to lose it, stand up in frustration and scream to Condit "JUST TELL THE PEOPLE!! YOU HUMPED HER DAMNIT! THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!!"

Now *that* woulda been some fine TV. I totally wish it happened that way. Why not? The whole thing has got this creepy voyeuristic element to it. I say run with it for all it's worth!

I honestly believe that if you view this whole sorry episode any other way you are completely deluding yourself.  :)
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: capt. apathy on August 25, 2001, 10:17:00 AM
i have to agree with fatty.
while i don't cheat on my wife of 17 yrs.
i cant imagine hiding an embarassing personal secret to be a higher priority than helping find a missing girl.

and for the record, yes i am a democrat and yes i still think clinton was a sleaze for cheating on his wife & lying.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: mrfish on August 25, 2001, 01:25:00 PM
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Originally posted by Nash:
Hell of a story though - can't blame the media exactly. I mean.... we eat this toejam up. We LOVE it! It is a media zoo and a dogpile of epic proportions. Good fun. Ohhh but poor Chandra is missing! What will we do?! Spare me. Like you really give a toss.


lol- no kidding...."a girl is missing, that's the important thing" spoken with shakey jaw and big determined eyes is the big phrase lately. it's especially hitting when accompanied by a sound strike from the orchestra and those big kettle drums. every dopey soccer mom they stick a mic at in front of safeway says the same thing..."that poor helpless seduced little innocent girl..."

brings to mind an image of a 3 yr old in pig tails with a lollypop, not a woman in her mid 20's whose doctor daddy no doubt got her an internship in washington through one of his golf buddies where she was sleeping with a man she knew was married and supposedly commited to public service! levy is 2 years younger than my wife for cryin out loud, she is not a helpless little girl.

the public loves this stuff because we're sick of politicians being scumbags and we want the guy crucified more than any concern over chandra. they aren't "just people like you and me" they are public figures chosen because they claim to represent the best of us and as such they know their lives are subject to scrutiny. they are supposed to be above all that and they are supposed to have their mission in mind and be able to control simple desires.

otherwise, why would political campaigns spend so much time trying to convince us of the candidates righteousness.

might as well have campaigns like this then if you want your politician to just be some schmoe off the street:

 " hi i'm louie scaglia, tile salesman, and i got my house foreclosed a few years ago as part of a judgment to pay back taxes i tried to skip. i left my old wife for a new one and i cheat on her and my taxes. i never really liked kids much and i say if you can get a dollar the 'easy way' then go for it. ya gotta do what ya gotta do aye? i really like a good six pack and a hot broad. i hear washington is a good gig or whatevah so send me ok? sincerely, aye 'tanks! louie..."
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Creamo on August 25, 2001, 01:34:00 PM
It does, however, make him a coward and a selfish bellybutton of the utmost degree...

Wow, isn't that the kiss of death.

Little does he know, he's the first person I've ever heard Fatty call an amazinhunk. That's down right character condeming, heh.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: capt. apathy on August 25, 2001, 02:16:00 PM
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might as well have campaigns like this then if you want your politician to just be some schmoe off the street:

" hi i'm louie scaglia, tile salesman, and i got my house foreclosed a few years ago as part of a judgment to pay back taxes i tried to skip. i left my old wife for a new one and i cheat on her and my taxes. i never really liked kids much and i say if you can get a dollar the 'easy way' then go for it. ya gotta do what ya gotta do aye? i really like a good six pack and a hot broad. i hear washington is a good gig or whatevah so send me ok? sincerely, aye 'tanks! louie..."

 

The honesty would be a refreshing novelty.  I would love to see a politician just come out and say exactly whets on his mind with out checking with advisors or taking a poll first, I’m not sure I would even care what he was saying as long as it was honest. (Check out the movie 'bullworth', it's based on this idea)

It kinda reminds me of this panhandler I saw last week (we got loads of them here in Portland) his sign said "I'm not a liar, just saving up for a beer and a hooker", I gave him a buck.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: mrfish on August 25, 2001, 02:40:00 PM
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Originally posted by capt. apathy:


It kinda reminds me of this panhandler I saw last week (we got loads of them here in Portland) his sign said "I'm not a liar, just saving up for a beer and a hooker", I gave him a buck.

heh - i guess this is off the topic - but we have many in san francisco too. at least 6 regulars on my block alone as well as whatever blows through.

one of them has a sign with that on one side "i won't lie, i just need a beer" and on the other side it has the other go-to slogan "even a smile helps" he used to use "i just need 26 cents for some soup" but people got used to it.

a guy in the financial district used to use "i only need $14 dollars for aids medicine" then when he didn't die for 11 years people started confronting him and he changed it to a simple "anything helps".

you got taken by advertising man, that street pitch is ancient and aimed at the guys who would normally not go for it - every day drinkin' types. it was an advertising milestone for the bum movement when that slogan became popular -

 they use whatever works on whoever is walking down the street. my favorite is a bum on market street that has a little teddy bear holding a sign that says : "just another day in paradise" he can hold the same pathetic look for like 12 hours too - he is a master. he really coat-tailed on the p. collins song and it's been raking in the dough for him for 7 years that i know of.  

just an aside - sorry- back to condit bashing  :)
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: capt. apathy on August 25, 2001, 03:33:00 PM
ya, fish i know it was a scam.  i guess my point was i was just glad to see something different than the same old same old.  some of them guys are real pro's though a local tv station up here hired an actor to stand at a freeway off-ramp in rags and a cardboard sign in the 4 hours he was there he averaged 23.50 per hour tax free. and a couple years ago i saw a guy who i had just seen an hour b4 with his sign get into a fairly nice buick (less than 5 years old)and drive off.
so when i want to help out i usually give it to the church or a soup kitchen or the like.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Cabby44 on August 25, 2001, 07:09:00 PM
Nash, yer outta yer mind.  Let me use a term that used to be popular with the Liberal/Newage crowd:  Don't project YOUR thoughts/feelings onto the  rest of us.  In other words, speak for your self.....
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Nash on August 25, 2001, 10:21:00 PM
Lol - cabby, yer a funny guy, you know that?

I mean that in the best possible way. You always bring a smile to my face. "Liberal/NewAge"... You *slay* me dude! That is some good stuff.

I dunno why but I got this total mental image of Archie Bunker when I think of you. That guy was hysterical too. I love it - don't go changing.

Btw, I left open the fact that there could be other interpretations of this saga, I merely said that any other interpretation was delusional.

  :)

[ 08-25-2001: Message edited by: Nash ]
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Toad on August 25, 2001, 10:30:00 PM
To me the issue is that a relatively high ranking member of the national government lied to the local police in a missing persons case. Repeatedly.

End of story. End of need for such a person in government, national, local or dogcatcher.

I like to foolishly believe that a man worthy of such a national office would immediately and truthfully answer the questions of the authorities investigating the case.

But that's just idealistic old me.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Nash on August 25, 2001, 10:35:00 PM
Toad! You're P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-N-G.... er, I think.

Ah crap... I just don't have the comedic timing.

Nevermind.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Cabby44 on August 25, 2001, 11:29:00 PM
Nash:

There you go again......
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Nash on August 25, 2001, 11:40:00 PM
Anyone get cabby's reference there?

Brilliant!

Were you doing that little nod of the head thing and making "ha ha ha" noises while you typed that?

Doesn't matter... Absolutely PRICELESS!

Now just add something like... like... "Now Edith make me a gawdamn sammich!"... something like that. Er... But no... no  - you're the artist here. I'm just making a suggestion.

You need an agent, I swear to god.

[ 08-26-2001: Message edited by: Nash ]
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Yeager on August 26, 2001, 01:18:00 AM
Guy is a diddly face pure and simple.  Reminded me of bubba like a slap in the face!

Im tiring of the whole political scene in this country.  If they need an bellybutton whooping then Im game.  Locked and loaded!

Keep your barrel clear and your powder dry!

I can tell you the 2nd amendmant has a purpose but you wouldnt believe me.  What a surprize you dimly lit bulbs are in for!

Yeager  :)
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: mrfish on August 26, 2001, 02:41:00 AM
i tried to start a revolution in a previous thread and we didn't get very far. toad commited the military on our behalf though!
 ;)
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Sandman on August 26, 2001, 07:45:00 AM
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Originally posted by Toad:
To me the issue is that a relatively high ranking member of the national government lied to the local police in a missing persons case. Repeatedly.

I don't believe Condit lied to the police. He lied to the media, sure.

Even the DC police spin the case. After their interview, they stated,  "Before the interview, Mr. Condit was not a suspect. During the interview, Mr. Condit was not a suspect. After the interview, Mr. Condit is still not a suspect."

Here's the rub though... Missing person cases don't have suspects. Being missing is not in itself evidence of a crime.

I grew up in the 18th Congressional District. With regard to Condit's political record, we've been happy with him. He's on his 7th term. That fact that he's an adulterer hasn't seemed to limit his effectiveness has a politician. This roadkill about wanting leaders suitable for crucifixion misses the point. We want effective representation at the capital. Condit has filled that bill.

Nevertheless, his credibility is shot because he chose to evade the Levy family. Which means we'll get some idiot who's entire platform and reason for running for the 18th District will be his "purity." As if that shrecking matters.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Toad on August 26, 2001, 10:48:00 AM
Well Sandman, in his first two "interviews" with the DC police he denied having an affair with Levy.

In the third "interview" with the DC police he admitted having an affair with Levy.

That's not lying? Or does it depend on what your definition of "is" is?

 :rolleyes:
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Maverick on August 26, 2001, 12:53:00 PM
Fscott,

It seems you like this guy. I don't know him at all nor do I care to get to know him.

I have held this thing at a distance throughout the whole sorry mess.

I didn't watch the "interview". I had no need to. I had every expectation that he would stonewall just as much as he has been all along. It is foolish to think that he would admit to ANYTHING that would place him in jeapardy in a court of law. I am sure he demanded to know te questions ahead of the time of the interview and had told Chung what he would and wouldn't answer. I am also sure he consulted with more than one lawyer about what to say and not to say while on or off camera. I would not expect otherwise.

Chung had no qualms about interviewing this sleaze and only did it for the name recognition and the "ratings" push it would give her career. Condit figured he could get this thing "tried" in the media and have it blow by if he played a good part on the TV. After all, he has two examples to follow after. clintoon got out of having much of anything stick to him and kennedy got away with murder. Why shouldn't it work for condit???

I still say the major factor here between clintoon, condit and jackson is that condit's paramour got disappeared. That makes him one up on kenedy who used the old, "it was just a traffic accident" that killed his bed buddy. So far as long as no bidy surfaces there is likely to be little chance of a prosecution for condit, UNLESS he screws up and actually admits to something. I am sure he has enough money to keep plenty of legal advice on hand to avoid that.

As to dignity...... hah.

Last note. Please do not equate me or my life to this individual or his actions again.


Mav
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Sandman on August 26, 2001, 01:54:00 PM
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Originally posted by Toad:
Well Sandman, in his first two "interviews" with the DC police he denied having an affair with Levy.

In the third "interview" with the DC police he admitted having an affair with Levy.

That's not lying? Or does it depend on what your definition of "is" is?

  :rolleyes:

All I've managed to find is that the DC police were unhappy with his lack of candor by not revealing everything he knew. This is not the same thing as lying.

In his third interview, he acknowledged having an affair with Levy to the police. I've yet to find anything stating that the police asked about the affair in the preceding interviews.

As yet, the police haven't shared their Condit interviews with the public. To speculate about what was said is a waste of time.

So he lied to the media about an extramarital affair. Big deal. They can't send you to jail for that.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Fatty on August 26, 2001, 02:23:00 PM
There is the crux of the problem.  I don't care if he's technically within legal boundries, I still expect him to be the least bit concerned about what is likely a murdered girl.

To run around hiding an affair answering with half truths and ambiguous answers is one thing.  To do so when there is a person missing and probably dead, a person you supposedly gave a toejam about, means you are dealing with a man so self centered and selfish I wouldn't trust him to take out my garbage.  Oh the poor media crucified man, woe is him?  Screw him.

Oh, but technically he is within the law and they can't send him to jail, right?  You're right, what a great guy, I've been wrong about him all along....
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Toad on August 26, 2001, 10:45:00 PM
Well, Sandman, since the DC police haven't released a transcript of each of their "interviews" with Condit, that fig leaf will hold up, I suppose.

I couldn't document the actual word "lie" with respect to the DC Police interviews in all the news reports either.

So, I'll amend my previous statement as follows:

****
To me the issue is that a relatively high ranking member of the national government failed to cooperate fully with the local police in a missing persons case. Repeatedly.
End of story. End of need for such a person in government, national, local or dogcatcher.

I like to foolishly believe that a man worthy of such a national office would immediately cooperate fully with the authorities investigating the case.

But that's just idealistic old me.
****


I hope they get him on obstruction of justice.

Here's the fig leaf that hides the word "lie": http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29029,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29029,00.html)

Condit met with investigators for a third time on Friday. Police requested the third meeting because they were "uncomfortable" with what they had learned in the first two interviews, according to Executive Assistant Police Chief Terrance Gainer.

"We challenged him for clarity. He provided the clarity and answered each one of our questions," Gainer said.

Ganier would not comment on the substantive issues discussed in the 90-minute meeting. Unnamed police sources, however, said that the "clarity" was Condit's admission that he had a romantic relationship with Levy.

Police sources said that, in his first two meetings with authorities, Condit only said he was good friends with Levy
and that he broke off his "close friendship" with her two days before she disappeared.


But that's not a lie, right?  :rolleyes:

Oh, yeah, the ... cooperate fully.... thing:

 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,32798,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,32798,00.html)

Washington Police Official Disputes Condit Assertion

Friday, August 24, 2001
 
MODESTO, Calif. — Washington's deputy police chief is disputing Rep. Gary Condit's assertion that he cooperated fully with investigators after Chandra Levy's disappearance.

Terrance Gainer said "It took us three interviews and a lot of effort to get as far as we got."


and this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,32911,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,32911,00.html)

Levy disappeared on May 1, shortly after her internship with the Federal Bureau of Prisons ended. Washington, D.C., police said that Condit only admitted having had an affair with her in his third interview with them, and that he tried to block the investigation into her disappearance in other ways. They still insist, however, that he is not a suspect and that there is no evidence of a crime.

and this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,32911,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,32911,00.html)

Smith's Lawyer to File Legal Action Against Condit Monday

The lawyer for Anne Marie Smith, the flight attendant who says she had an affair with embattled Rep. Gary Condit, said on Fox News Sunday he plans to take legal action Monday against the California Democrat. ...

Without stating exactly what claim he would file against Condit, Jim Robinson, Smith's attorney, said that it would be related to Condit's nationally televised interview with ABC's Connie Chung this past Thursday night...

...Condit denied to Chung that he had had a relationship with Smith, who had earlier said that the FBI had interviewed her about her affair with the congressman in relation to another affair he was allegedly having with 24-year-old missing intern Chandra Levy.


So, if this is the kind of guy you think should be holding one of the higher posts in our government....

we'll always disagree.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Sandman on August 27, 2001, 07:57:00 AM
Hmmm... same source all the way through, Fox News.

I'm sorry. I trust the media even less than I trust the politicians (or the police).
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Toad on August 27, 2001, 08:02:00 AM
Hmmm... if you look you'll find essentially the same information on all the news sites. Fox just has the best "library" search set up.

But all the news sources are deliberately misleading the public. Condit is just such a great human being. Mother Teresa in Congress from California.   :rolleyes:


I can see why you don't trust politicians, however, if you think Condit's behavior in this issue is without blemish.  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

Denial is great isn't it?

Join the Ostrich party today!

[ 08-27-2001: Message edited by: Toad ]
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Sandman on August 27, 2001, 12:55:00 PM
Just the other end of the spectrum. Ostrich on one side, bandwagon on the other.

I'm shooting for somewhere in the middle. I'm not interested in letting the mainstream media form my opinion for me. To listen to the media, Condit has accomplished nothing. There's only the Levy case.

Politically, it may have cost him but he's doing the right thing personally. You ask any cop and he'll tell you that most criminals give themselves away during interviews. Condit has wisely chose to take a guarded position with the police. Guilty or not, your best bet when dealing with the police is to keep your mouth shut. I have family members in the police. They all say the same thing. Shut the hell up.

No one has a single shred of evidence to suggest that Condit had anything to do with Levy's disappearance nor do they have any evidence to suggest that his testimony would have helped find her. A beautiful woman is missing and probably dead. The court of public opinion wants somebody to pay and has decided that Condit is to blame.

So now we have two victims.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Toad on August 27, 2001, 01:04:00 PM
Like I said, if this is the kind of person you want representing you, we'll just always make different choices.

He had three choices talking to the cops:

"Did you have an affair (or whatever) with Levy?"

Answer 1. "Yes."  - Investigation continues on appropriate lines and no time is wasted.

Answer 2. "No." - This would have been a lie (because he has since admitted the affair). While I'm no lawyer, I'd think that would fit under "obstruction of justice". The investigation would have been sidetracked, time would have been wasted.

Answer 3. "We were 'good friends'." This is the answer he gave in the first two interviews. I believe this is called "evading the question". It's an answer that is not an answer. It used to be called "weaseling" around here. Clearly, it is a deliberate attempt to withold information. The investigation is not necessarily sidetracked but much time is wasted. I'd also think there are possible grounds for obstruction of justice charges here as well; it certainly delayed the investigation.

As I said, if you're happy with a relatively high ranking member of your government "weaseling" around questions asked by the legitimate authorities in a missing persons case....
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Fatty on August 27, 2001, 02:38:00 PM
That is the very reason he's a weasel and a coward.

 
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He's doing the right thing personally

Perhaps that is what you would do if a girlfriend of yours disappeared without a trace.  Fortunately most of the rest of people aren't in that category, which is why they are so justifiably pissed at this idiot.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Toad on August 27, 2001, 02:51:00 PM
The court of public opinion wants somebody to pay and has decided that Condit is to blame.

That's the topic where some people hope to "spin" this issue.

I don't think that's what "public opinion" wants.

I think people simply want a Representative that is responsible and accountable for his actions.

They want a Representative that doesn't "fail to cooperate" with the investigating police agency in a missing person case when said Representative is DIRECTLY and intimately involved in the life of the particular missing person.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Sandman on August 27, 2001, 05:47:00 PM
Well... if that's the case Toad, the police are equally unhappy with the cooperation of Levy's friends and neighbors in Dupont Circle.

We don't get to see them smeared all over television. Lucky them.

Again, we don't know what the police interview contained. We only know that the police were unhappy with the results. Speculation is a waste of time.

And... last time I checked. Congressional representatives shared the same Constitutional rights we do. One of those is the Fifth Amendment.

I could not care less about the type of person the representative is. His job is to represent the interests and issues of his constituency. That's it. As far as I know, Condit has fulfilled this requirement and done the job he was elected to do. Then again, maybe the 18th district just wasn't paying attention while re-electing Condit for his 7th term. Maybe he did nothing but get laid and waste tax dollars for the past 12 years.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Toad on August 27, 2001, 08:34:00 PM
I could not care less about the type of person the representative is.

...and that's just one of the differences between us.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Sandman on August 27, 2001, 09:23:00 PM
hehe... isn't diversity wonderful?  :)
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Cabby44 on August 27, 2001, 09:58:00 PM
Quote:

"I could not care less about the type of person the representative is. "

I guess that's what the Germans thought when a guy with the initials "A.H." ran for office.  No wonder California is so screwed-up.  The above quote reminds me of one of the many reasons i left California so many years ago.

People really do get the Government they deserve...........
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Sandman on August 27, 2001, 10:03:00 PM
Wow... comparing Condit with Hitler. That is truly rich. Bravo.

Oh... and you should come back to California. We all miss you terribly.

[ 08-27-2001: Message edited by: Sandman_SBM ]
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Toad on August 27, 2001, 10:20:00 PM
Yah missed it Sand.

He's comparing the similar thought processes, not the persons (names) involved.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Sandman on August 28, 2001, 05:20:00 AM
Okay... fine... have it your way. Comparing the voters in California with the voters that elected Hitler doesn't wash either.
Title: Gary Condit Interview: To tell the [rehearsed] truth
Post by: Ripsnort on August 28, 2001, 07:43:00 AM
Sandman, which is worse, a politician lying to the media, or to a Federal Supreme Court?