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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on May 27, 2006, 10:00:13 AM
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I'm not sure if many of you have been following the Jesse Macbeth (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jesse_Macbeth&oldid=55383521#Shadowhart_on_Myspace.com) story but it just got more interesting. The milblogs are basically owning this guy for goin on an anti war video (http://hotair.com/archives/top-picks/2006/05/22/anti-war-video-bogus/) as a vet claiming to have taken part in and seen many attrocities committed.
Basically the Army came out and said that Macbeth had never served as a ranger, nor special forces. Friday, somone posted his "DD214" on myspace to try and validate his story....even though the video he appeared in at peacefilms.org was removed on the 23rd. Even IVAW (iraqi vets against the war) has started to distance themselves from this guy. (it should be noted I support anyones right to protest and respect their opinion based on the merit of message and the conduct of their actions)
Ok on to the latest and greatest. Can you spot the problems with these discharge papers:
http://www.armyranger.com/bb/files/770776017_l.jpg
It would all be pretty laughable if it wasn't for the sickening comments he's made about the army. AAn Army Ranger BBS basically tears the fake apart.
here's another good summary of the story. (http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005245.htm) Check out his "picture" in BDUs and ranger baret.
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If what is written on the DD214 was true, he would have enlisted when he was 16, and gotten into the rangers when he was 18. Of course, that is assuming he JUST GOT OUT.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If what is written on the DD214 was true, he would have enlisted when he was 16, and gotten into the rangers when he was 18. Of course, that is assuming he JUST GOT OUT.
Pay particular attention to the font in block 11 and 13 also note the spelling of "qualified"
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I'm surprised CBS didn't run his story. ;)
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Originally posted by lukster
I'm surprised CBS didn't run his story. ;)
"Fake but accurate"
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I don't know what smell the worst :
a psychotic guy pretending to have been Ranger
or
an army engaging a psychotic guy ?
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Didn't the "F YOU" in the black box at the bottom kinda give it away?
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Originally posted by Shaky
"Fake but accurate"
I guess when you think you know the truth no lie is too brazen to prove it.
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Originally posted by Shaky
"Fake but accurate"
Remind me of the "fair and balanced" motto
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Originally posted by straffo
Remind me of the "fair and balanced" motto
How so?
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Faux News
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Originally posted by Golfer
Faux News
Must be an inside joke, I don't get it.
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http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=28212&dict=CALD
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Originally posted by moot
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=28212&dict=CALD
I know what faux means and I know that "fair and balanced" is the motto of Fox News. What I don't get is how "fake but accurate" reminds straffo of "fair and balanced". The phrases may sound a bit similar but how are they similar in meaning? Like I said, must be an inside joke.
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Originally posted by lukster
Must be an inside joke, I don't get it.
The French word "faux" means fake of imitation. In French it is pronounced "foe" ... mispronounced in english, it says "fox"
Making fun of names is one of the most advanced forms of rhetoric.
--- Mr Obvious
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Ok, so we make the jump from fake to faux to fox leaving the phrases still disimilar. Guess my sense of humor just isn't refined enough to find this funny if he was indeed making a joke.
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You could say you've been spwwnerized.
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Sounds like he is a fine servant of terrorists. Isn't this aiding an abetting terrorism? Doesn't freedom of speach end when you are obviously lying? Especially when your words are intended to incite the death of innocent people?
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Well, my first assumption was that straffo was countering my criticism of CBS with his own of Fox News by relating Shaky's "fake but accurate" reference to CBS' reporting the faked record of Bush's Guard service to Fox's motto. However, since they tied together rather weakly I thought that perhaps I was missing something hence my questiopn to him "how so"?
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We had a guy that was famous for unearthing fake SEALs, fake medal winners and that sort of thing. He wrote two books and had a pretty impressive military career.
When he came to meet us at the navigation software firm I worked for, he was doing a lot of magazine reviews of electronic navigation devices/technology. While he chatted with us, he was *insisting* in free copies of the program so that he could give it out to his pals. After all, he was the world famous Mr So-And-So. He went on to further bragg he hacks/cracks all sorts of stuff. And he doesnt even own a legal copy of his operating system or the Word programs he used to write his books.
Nice.
I hadnt seen my boss ticked off at much, but he was peeved. We declined Mr So-And-So's demands and he later chimed off a not-very-nice review. Whatever
Talk about your disappointments in people.
A fraud hunting frauds.
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It's actually:
Faux News
Fairly Unbalanced.
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CHATTANOOGA -- The Congressional Medal of Honor Society reports that there are 113 living recipients of the nation's highest military award, but an FBI agent said impostors outnumber the true heroes....
...continued (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/29/AR2006042901293.html)
the fox news guys here have a traffic chopper, but they just sit their reporter in it & show video from DMV.gov traffic cams:noid :noid :noid :noid :cry
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Originally posted by Golfer
It's actually:
Faux News
Fairly Unbalanced.
I suspect you rarely if ever watch Fox news, like many you are probably just going on what you hear others say. Or, if you have watched it, you decided it wasn't a good news channel because it didn't say what you wanted to hear. (even if that decision was a subconcious one).
If you deny my suspicions, I would be interested in you giving me some examples of what you find unbalanced? And tell me how your news channel of choice is more balanced.
thanks
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Originally posted by Dago
I suspect you rarely if ever watch Fox news, like many you are probably just going on what you hear others say. Or, if you have watched it, you decided it wasn't a good news channel because it didn't say what you wanted to hear. (even if that decision was a subconcious one).
If you deny my suspicions, I would be interested in you giving me some examples of what you find unbalanced? And tell me how your news channel of choice is more balanced.
thanks
Faux News:
Fairly Unbalanced.
It's a joke toward fox. They choose "Fair and balanced" and using what is known as a "play on words" you can create whats called "humor"
If I gave you a pile of coal could you make me a few diamonds? No rush on delivery. Two weeks is plenty of time.
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Holey hijack batman. You guys went to talking about something that is obviously fake to something that is assumed to be biased.
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Originally posted by Golfer
Faux News:
Fairly Unbalanced.
It's a joke toward fox. They choose "Fair and balanced" and using what is known as a "play on words" you can create whats called "humor"
If I gave you a pile of coal could you make me a few diamonds? No rush on delivery. Two weeks is plenty of time.
I take this as your admission that you have nothing, zero, zilch to back up your little word game. For all you know, Fox is the most accurate, balanced and correct news channel in existance. You may not even get it where you live. So give it up.
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Rule #4
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Oh wow, a big picture really proves a point. Gee, I am speechless. I am in awe of your powers of debate.
Pls do me a favor, dont post anything so asnine in the future, it only makes you look pretty stupid.
Still can't answer me or prove a point. Sad.
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Originally posted by Golfer
[IMG]
I've seen it. Red X's are common with bad links.
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Originally posted by Dago
I take this as your admission that you have nothing, zero, zilch to back up your little word game. For all you know, Fox is the most accurate, balanced and correct news channel in existance. You may not even get it where you live. So give it up.
word games and humour dont have to have any relation to fact, fox news could be the american equivilent to this hour has 22 minutes for all he cares. the word play still holds, and would still be funny.
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Originally posted by Dago
Oh wow, a big picture really proves a point. Gee, I am speechless. I am in awe of your powers of debate.
Pls do me a favor, dont post anything so asnine in the future, it only makes you look pretty stupid.
Still can't answer me or prove a point. Sad.
If there was a debate in the first place it existed only in your head.
Scroll back up the thread a few posts. A remark was made about "Fake but accurate" with a comment about "fair and balanced"
The F&B line made me think of the picture, so I threw in the "Faux News" from said picture. At that point you got your panties in a bunch about something. Exactly what I still haven't figured out. I posted the picture to show that I'm not making things up nor advertising a particular point of view, opinion or idea about any particular news agency.
I've watched all the major news agencies and have deemed them all pretty much equally worthless. Talking heads with breasts. In the case of anderson cooper...talking head with no breasts. You've seen them in action. Take for instance an "aviation crisis" such as JetBlue nosewheel or Nike's Gulfstream gear door. They don't have a clue about anything. Their experts don't have a clue about anything (Though one news agency did get Al Haynes...good job whomever that was) and they almost seem disappointed when the pilots do their job by landing safely. They seem like their ice cream cone fell onto the ground when they don't get a big fireball on live t.v.
Regardless of my opinion on politics, I don't like when news anchors say "we're winning" or "we seem to be falling behind" regarding elections. Just the same as I don't like ESPN's broadcasters showing favoritism when two baseball/football/hockey teams are playing. It's one thing for a Pittsburgh news station to cheer for the steelers. It's another for ESPN's anchors to cheer for the steelers.
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At times Bill O'Reilly can be "fairly unbalanced". :)
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Originally posted by Golfer
It's actually:
Faux News
Fairly Unbalanced.
Actually you have a point there.
CNN is better cause they dont even claim to be fair. balanced, or accurate;)
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Holy gigantic image batman!
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WOW,
SO a good source about forged discharge papers leads into a debate about Fox News.......awsome.
:aok
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I still don't see a reasonable connection between "fake but accurate", (which was obviously directed at CBS) and Fox News. I like a good joke as much as anyone, even an inside joke, but the joke must be made, not simply implied.
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can't you pointlessly hijacking heros think of something better to pointlessly hijack a thread over? Seriously, can I have the 2 minutes back? Is there a reason you want to jack this thread? There must be since you can't be that stupid to blather that long and hard about a non point.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
can't you pointlessly hijacking heros think of something better to pointlessly hijack a thread over? Seriously, can I have the 2 minutes back? Is there a reason you want to jack this thread? There must be since you can't be that stupid to blather that long and hard about a non point.
Bringing Fox News into this was a hijack attempt. Forged military documents and CBS have a recent history.
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You dont see a jump from "fake but accurate" to "fake news"?
Faux News. We make it up so you dont have to.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
You dont see a jump from "fake but accurate" to "fake news"?
Faux News. We make it up so you dont have to.
SoA,
I'm going to start drawing pictures. In blue crayon.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
You dont see a jump from "fake but accurate" to "fake news"?
Faux News. We make it up so you dont have to.
I think you're missing the point. The "fake but accurate" comment was a commentary on CBS' story and was in response to my sarcasm that CBS runs stories like the guy's in this thread. You might call Fox fake but then you wouldn't call them accurate would you?
Personally, I think that anyone falsely claiming military service, especially with intent to do harm, should do jail time. Back on topic?
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Originally posted by Dago
Oh wow, a big picture really proves a point. Gee, I am speechless. I am in awe of your powers of debate.
Pls do me a favor, dont post anything so asnine in the future, it only makes you look pretty stupid.
Still can't answer me or prove a point. Sad.
Try not to misspell sophisticated words like “asinine” when you’re trying to be superior. Makes you look simple.
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Originally posted by uvwpvW
Try not to misspell sophisticated words like “asinine” when you’re trying to be superior. Makes you look simple.
Yea, typing so fast he missed an "I" really F-ed up his whole argument.
Good thing we got the grammar po-po here to tell us that he meant "asinine" cuz asnine isn't really a word.
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Yes perhaps I was overly kind when calling it a misspelling. Seeing how he has never spelled “asinine” correctly in any of his posts on this bbs I’m quite sure “asnine” is a real word to Dago.
Then again you use words like “po-po”, so I guess you can better understand him, you two being on the same level.
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What's funny is aside from a few memos fox news has stayed on par witht their reporting. Its just that most peopld don't like what they have to say so they ignore EVERYITHING and just call it bad. I don't thing Fox has been caught in such a scandel as CBS has.,
BUT, this latest stunt isnt on the newsies its on the net. So youra local affiliate does not apply. Somee off you need help.
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I have nothing for or against Fox News as a news-source. I do however have something against Fox as a corporation, especially after they cancelled Firefly. Not because the show wasn’t commercially successful (it was), but because the show’s slightly anti-government and anti-corporate theme was contrary to “the values FOX want to promote as a company”. Any media corporation that tries to promote a set of “values” through its programming is an enemy of mine.
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uvwpvW, love the avatard! Trust me, I know what I'm doing! Kinda fits the threadjack with Faux News.
Anyone that does'nt think Faux is biased has their head buried so far up their, well you know... Who's the guy with the snow white hair that's supposedly an independant and has a show on there at night? I saw a few of his remarks the other day and that guy is so far out in right field you need a radio telescope just to get reception.
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Originally posted by lukster
Well, my first assumption was that straffo was countering my criticism of CBS with his own of Fox News by relating Shaky's "fake but accurate" reference to CBS' reporting the faked record of Bush's Guard service to Fox's motto. However, since they tied together rather weakly I thought that perhaps I was missing something hence my questiopn to him "how so"?
I was not countering anything :)
It was more an humourous attempt ,I find CBS and Fox equally unacurate an biased ...
Fox news is for the journalism what Grand Guignol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Guignol) is for theatre.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Holey hijack batman. You guys went to talking about something that is obviously fake to something that is assumed to be biased.
Superb Euphemism, the French judge give you 10 point
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What motivates someone to lie about military service only to defame those who wear the uniform? I put those animals who prey on children lower in the pit of depravity but not by much.
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Originally posted by straffo
I was not countering anything :)
It was more an humourous attempt ,I find CBS and Fox equally unacurate an biased ...
Fox news is for the journalism what Grand Guignol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Guignol) is for theatre.
Well, there is very much a correlation to what this guy did and what CBS attempted to do. You somehow tied Fox News in, why, I still don't understand.
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Originally posted by rpm
...Anyone that doesn't think Faux is biased has their head buried so far up their, well you know...
This just in: anything said or written by human beings is biased.
The following is a partial list of biased news sources.
AmerBC, AusBC, BBC, CBC, CNN, FOX, Al-Jazeera, Reuters, UPI, AP, NYT, Washington Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe, ESPN,....
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That's a biased list...
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Originally posted by lukster
How so?
Maybe because of crap like this. Wonder why no one trusts CNN when they are not listed at all on this.
Fake News (http://www.prwatch.org/fakenews/stationlist)
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Originally posted by parker00
Maybe because of crap like this. Wonder why no one trusts CNN when they are not listed at all on this.
Fake News (http://www.prwatch.org/fakenews/stationlist)
since when is CNN a "local affiliate"? I don't see how this list adds to the discussion, hijacked or otherwise.
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Maybe someone can point out to Parker the Fox news they are talking about is the local news shows on the Fox channel, not the national Fox news channel. I don't think he understands the differance.
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Originally posted by Dago
Maybe someone can point out to Parker the Fox news they are talking about is the local news shows on the Fox channel, not the national Fox news channel. I don't think he understands the differance.
I don't think I'm the one who needs to understand anything. I know that I have hit a nerve questioning your precious Fox News but where do you think the affliates get thier news? Do you think that your local station really has reporters anywhere other than your city? No they don't they spit out the same kind of crap that thier parent company does and if you don't think the parent company has anything to say about what thier affliates do or air then you are a complete and total idiot!!! I'm not trying to say that CNN is anymore reliable than the rest but damn so many on this board actually believes they are "fair and balanced".
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Man, you have issues. And quite a misunderstanding of the News game. Do you really think Fox news, or any other major network news has the time to preview the news shown on every single affiliate prior to each and every show???
I seriously doubt they even review half the shows after airing.
I am not obsessing or defending any news channel or or company, just would like to see you understand the reality. Your comment about CNN shows where you screwed up.
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Originally posted by Dago
Man, you have issues. And quite a misunderstanding of the News game. Do you really think Fox news, or any other major network news has the time to preview the news shown on every single affiliate prior to each and every show???
I seriously doubt they even review half the shows after airing.
I am not obsessing or defending any news channel or or company, just would like to see you understand the reality. Your comment about CNN shows where you screwed up.
I'll tell you what, spend some time during the day watching fox, abc or cbs news and then at night watch you local station and see if it resembles anything like what the parent company was saying all day long. Anything other than local news almost always comes from the parent company.
Edit: If you want to find the truth than go to the internet because that is the only place where you can find what really happens.
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Originally posted by parker00
I'll tell you what, spend some time during the day watching fox, abc or cbs news and then at night watch you local station and see if it resembles anything like what the parent company was saying all day long. Anything other than local news almost always comes from the parent company.
Sure it does, the locals dont have and can't afford national and international news gathering, so they get those stories from their related national news organizations. What does that have to do with the cost of tea? Do you think if CNN had local news affiliates they would be any differant? Don't fault the others for being bigger, don't put CNN on a pedestal for being smaller.
Unless I am mistaken, the major national Fox News is the most watched news station in the country. Pretty good for a news organization that isn't even available in all markets.
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Originally posted by Dago
Sure it does, the locals dont have and can't afford national and international news gathering, so they get those stories from their related national news organizations. What does that have to do with the cost of tea? Do you think if CNN had local news affiliates they would be any differant? Don't fault the others for being bigger, don't put CNN on a pedestal for being smaller.
Unless I am mistaken, the major national Fox News is the most watched news station in the country. Pretty good for a news organization that isn't even available in all markets.
Maybe we have a misunderstanding, I don't watch CNN. I just used it as an example that people trust fox over all the others and I don't see why. I've stopped watching almost all of the mainstream news due to it not being accurate about anything important. I've said my bit and we are taking this thread way off topic so if you wish to keep discussing it then start a different thread or message me and I will be more than happy to keep talking about it.
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Yeah, a misunderstanding. I took it you might be trying to point out CNN as a more honest news organization. They are all biased. Some much more so than others. People tend to slam or denigrate one organization typically just because that programs bias doesnt match theirs. Silly to do that, better to just accept that they all do it, and your preference is for another show.
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FWIW,
I may have counted wrong but CBS was on there just as many times as fox news. Seriously I don't see the problem with them. I think too many confuse the "comentator" portion with the actual news portion. Alas its allways best to get your news from several sources or one may report to you that the DD214 posted on page one of this thread to be accurate.