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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dastrdly on May 29, 2006, 04:06:12 AM
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thanks for all reponses to my last post "does side equalization work", although i thought some replies poposterous. Tactics have little to do with being out numbered plus getting ganged by both opposing sides. Unless you have spent some time as a knight you wont understand the fustration of always fighting against larger numbers. Granted that that is not always the case but most often it is. Late hours when its 40 bish 40 rooks & 20 knits, we dont stand a chance. Last night bish had 160 players on, rooks 130 & knits 100 yet we were still contending with bish spit XVIs & LAs. The ENY was suposidly no less than 11.5 but those planes were there i filmed them! Im sure there are no easy answers to this, but simply switching to the side with larger numbers will just make matters worse but im sure thats what some knits end up doing. Usually when all sides equal knits do very well for themselves, but the numbers thing is just getting worse NOT BETTER!!!! What can be done to help correct this? Also some need to get off thier high horse, thinking its supperior game play & tactics that is responsible lol. Its over welming numbers!
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It happens to every country, just a few months ago myself and many other bish were complaining about always facing numbers. I think some of it has to do with the time you're on too. At any rate if you're not having luck somewhere, try somewhere else.
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1. Side imbalance is a common think to happen. The numbers shift around every once in a while. Some times Rooks are dominant, some times Bish seem to spawn like termites in an old home, and some times Knits march on like the Golden Horde.
2. Side balancing doesn't work. HT hates people saying that they might know what he was thinking, so under that premise (we don't know what the hell he was thinking when he implemented the side balancer mechanism into the game),one thing we now know, is that essentially the side balancer system does not actually balance sides, but merely takes away the overused rides from the dominant country so the other two can at least take some consolation from the fact that many of the horde pilots will be grumbling about how they can't fly their 380mph-at-deck Lgay7s.
3. There is no 'tactics' nor 'strategy' in the MA. To have tactics and strategy you need at least some kind of basic organization and structure that can coordinate all the pilots and their purpose of flight. However, the folks in MA have proved over and over again that they will never, ever join up to something. There is no system in the MA that guarantees any kind of basic structure. Besides, the MA maps and terrains system is devoid of basic strategical factors. It doesn't have any kind of 'strategic' targets. All it has is the basic "get up from one field and immediately go attack the next" type of arrangement.
4. Therefore, in the MA, there is only impulse and instinct. People instinctively flock together to form the locust storm. They all fly from one spot to the other on impulse. Naturally, when the locusts are coming, rather than forming up defenses people just avoid it, form their own horde, and go hit other undefended areas of the map in turn. So what we have is an arena made for the people to fight in, where people rarely fight anything at all but ground objects, steamroll everything in a straight line, while the enemy steamrolls their own land in some other corner of the map, and then pats each other on the back for taking part in some wonderful 'strategical maneuvering' which in reality is nothing but instinct, impulse, and the urge to take the path of least resistance.
5. You can find people who actually think about strategy in places where your own team is losing. Those are the pitiful fools who actually try to fight in the face of the enemy horde, since they realize that no matter how much our own steamroller will drive into enemy territories, that piece of land will ultimately worth nothing, since at some point they'll all have to come back and defend their own land because the enemy piledriver has come within 50 miles of the HQ. So basically, what people do in the MA is flock together, follow the horde around, look for piece of scraps to claim as their own in the midst of a 30 to 1 odds turkeyshoot, drive hundreds of miles into enemy lands, and then just turn back, and become forced to defend the mainland.
6. What the self-proclaimed 'vets' do under these circumstances, is they agitate the horde, rack up large amount of kills, and then just disappear when things go bad. There are a lot of 'vets' on these boards whom you'd never, ever see in places where their skills are needed the most. It's the guys I like to call "people you never see out of the horde". They call the whole gig "SA". I mean, when's the last time you've ever seen a 'famous guy' taking part as one of the pitifully thin defenses that actually tries to stand up against the enemy steamroller, fighting against 30 to 1 odds? In the MA, in each country, there is an area where the 'steamroller' is advancing, and an area that is being 'steamrolled' by the enemy. If you want to meet celebrities, play around the 'steamrollers are advancing' part of the world. You'll meet most of the guys that you can see in the boards. In the 'we're getting creamed' parts of the world, you can usually see me.
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It happens to every country now an then. A few months ago, the bish were the favourite target of the rook/knit steamroller and knights won most of the time. Now apparently the knits are the MA victim, and if you play for a few months, you will see another country being slaughtered regulary.
But even vets have sometimes perception problems or a bad memory. As someone who has changed his game "nationality" a few times (spineless traitor), I can assure u that in every country there are lots of people who claim "Baaa, were losing AGAIN, we´re loosing ALWAYS, typical /Bish/Rook/Knights, we simply can´t organize, bla bla bla..." when things go wrong.
In my opinion, a blanced play where all sides are nearly equal in numbers would give a rather stale play in the long run. And there are actually players who love fighting outnumbered defensive actions. You will find fights easier and get a lot more perks. The only downside for me is having to squelch so many whiners when we loose the "war"... ;)
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Originally posted by Dastrdly
thanks for all reponses to my last post "does side equalization work", although i thought some replies poposterous. Tactics have little to do with being out numbered plus getting ganged by both opposing sides. Unless you have spent some time as a knight you wont understand the fustration of always fighting against larger numbers. Granted that that is not always the case but most often it is. Late hours when its 40 bish 40 rooks & 20 knits, we dont stand a chance. Last night bish had 160 players on, rooks 130 & knits 100 yet we were still contending with bish spit XVIs & LAs. The ENY was suposidly no less than 11.5 but those planes were there i filmed them! Im sure there are no easy answers to this, but simply switching to the side with larger numbers will just make matters worse but im sure thats what some knits end up doing. Usually when all sides equal knits do very well for themselves, but the numbers thing is just getting worse NOT BETTER!!!! What can be done to help correct this? Also some need to get off thier high horse, thinking its supperior game play & tactics that is responsible lol. Its over welming numbers!
The cure is realizing that the “War” is pointless, and tool shed hunting gets old fast. In contrast to what Kweassa said about so called vets, I think they just want to find fights. That’s why you’ll find them near the hordes, usually not IN them, but near where they can find prey flying to and from the horde.
So my advice to you is F the “war” and fly to FIGHT!
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Originally posted by Kweassa
6. What the self-proclaimed 'vets' do under these circumstances, is they agitate the horde, rack up large amount of kills, and then just disappear when things go bad.
Guilty!! I figure If I pick 2 of 6 off the egde of the horde and force another to dump ord, then I've done enuff to help the BKs or 475th to clean up down low :)
I get back up and look for the bombers inbound.
Busting up an inbound mission can be lots of fun.
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you will always see one side having the lowest numbers... which side it is will vary with about 3 month intervalls...
Knights have lowest numbers now, Rooks had lowest numbers not too long ago... bish will have it in a near future...
Bish numbers are usually in the middle though but thats alot due to bish beeing default country so they tend to have all the noobs and lot of two week trials...
Tex
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Yeah thats scary, all new members are learning tactics from bish
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I mean, when's the last time you've ever seen a 'famous guy' taking part as one of the pitifully thin defenses that actually tries to stand up against the enemy steamroller, fighting against 30 to 1 odds? In the MA, in each country, there is an area where the 'steamroller' is advancing, and an area that is being 'steamrolled' by the enemy.
I have. Its not easy and have to have lots of SA and no what you are doing, the slightest mistake your dead. If thats the only place where there are enemy cons then im there whether it be upping a temp/262 from a another base or upping from the base being attacked.
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Don't forget that bish generally wind up having the most numbers of newbies. Therefore take bish number minus at least 20%
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Originally posted by Kaiser
Don't forget that bish generally wind up having the most numbers of newbies. Therefore take bish number minus at least 20%
How comes the bish have more newbie ?
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I dont know seems bish fly better than many rooks now. :confused:
After the LCA ordeal many rooks had gone bish and some went knight.
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btw :
Originally posted by hitech
There isn't a default country. New players counties get randomly selected.
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It would help if one would make a team choice and stick with the side chosen. Get to know your team and roll the opposition.
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I don't agree Straffo. I flew long time with rooks and nits. But I've never seen so many questions on the country chl as I've seen with bish. Questions like 'How to up a plane' or 'How to drop bombs', etc.
I don't think it is coincedence.
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Originally posted by Kaiser
I don't agree Straffo. I flew long time with rooks and nits. But I've never seen so many questions on the country chl as I've seen with bish. Questions like 'How to up a plane' or 'How to drop bombs', etc.
I don't think it is coincedence.
Could it be that the bish just happen to get a larger number of newbs that don't know how to RTFM!? :D
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Originally posted by Kaiser
I don't agree Straffo. I flew long time with rooks and nits. But I've never seen so many questions on the country chl as I've seen with bish. Questions like 'How to up a plane' or 'How to drop bombs', etc.
I don't think it is coincedence.
Hm, so you are implying that the developer does not tell us the truth? :noid
And I flew for all countries too and did not notice much difference in the "my plain wont take off" cries (but I admit that´s as subjective as your experiences ;) )
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Personally I do think its GOOD that pilots swich sides...
Its always good to get a reminder that the pilots you fight are equaly nice people as the ones you fly with and that the ones you fly with are equaly lame altmonkeying, vulching, hoing dweebs.... its a realization that helps you alot to controll frustration..
Tex
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Originally posted by Kaiser
I don't agree Straffo. I flew long time with rooks and nits. But I've never seen so many questions on the country chl as I've seen with bish. Questions like 'How to up a plane' or 'How to drop bombs', etc.
I don't think it is coincedence.
Do you know that hitech part of the hitechcreations dev team ?
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Get to know your team and roll the opposition.
I know my squad, thats all I need to know.
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The new players are added to the game in a random pattern from what I have read.
I originally thought they were added in a rotation, I.E. first player bish - second player rook - third player knight - fourth player bish etc. etc. but apparently it's a random deal. ROFLMAO - I don't think HT has anything to gain from lying about it either.
If the company claims that's how it's done, I would bet money it's the truth, if they didn't say anything at all....now that's when you break out this guy -------> :noid
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I'll tell ya what's beginning to finally wear me down in AH and has led to a lot less flying.
It's the non-stop griping on every channel about Spits, LAs, Hitech doesn't get it, So and so didn't fight fair, I hate the horde, toolshedders, furballers , HO's, why don't we have the plane I want, rubber bullets, This plane should be able to do what I want, his plane shouldn't be able to do what he wants, cherry pickers and so on.
It seems to me that there are more miserable whining people in AH now then ever before. Why anyone would play a game to be miserable is beyond me.
And I haven't figured out a way to turn off all the channels yet so I can just enjoy the flying.
No one dies, planes are free and if your ego is built on being an AH pilot, I feel sorry for you.I just wish folks could enjoy it for the fun it can be.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
I mean, when's the last time you've ever seen a 'famous guy' taking part as one of the pitifully thin defenses that actually tries to stand up against the enemy steamroller, fighting against 30 to 1 odds? In the MA, in each country, there is an area where the 'steamroller' is advancing, and an area that is being 'steamrolled' by the enemy. If you want to meet celebrities, play around the 'steamrollers are advancing' part of the world. You'll meet most of the guys that you can see in the boards. In the 'we're getting creamed' parts of the world, you can usually see me.
I am far from "famous", but this is my favorite thing to do in AH. There is NOTHING[/i] I hate more than heading for what looks like a good fight, and end up in a sea of green icons with almost zero targets. I prefer to up at capped, or soon to be capped bases and fight a horde rather than be in one.
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Originally posted by Grits
I am far from "famous", but this is my favorite thing to do in AH. There is NOTHING[/i] I hate more than heading for what looks like a good fight, and end up in a sea of green icons with almost zero targets. I prefer to up at capped, or soon to be capped bases and fight a horde rather than be in one.
Far better then being one of the mob waiting for the potential vulch over ya isn't it :)
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This is "game fare", in this case, roast pheasant.
(http://www.surls.net/dan-open-house/Images/6.jpg)
This is also a "game fair" with Bonnie Prince Charlie holding a barn owl at the Game Fair at Shuttleworth in Bedfordshire.
(http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/gallery-year/images/010727_gamefair.jpg)
Note that there are no cartoon airplanes or wannabe WW2 heroes in either picture.
Carry on.
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Every country experience low numbers from time to time, sometimes for many many months.
IMO the numbers matter is only getting better and better the fewer numbers knits get.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I'll tell ya what's beginning to finally wear me down in AH and has led to a lot less flying.
It's the non-stop griping on every channel about Spits, LAs, Hitech doesn't get it, So and so didn't fight fair, I hate the horde, toolshedders, furballers , HO's, why don't we have the plane I want, rubber bullets, This plane should be able to do what I want, his plane shouldn't be able to do what he wants, cherry pickers and so on.
It seems to me that there are more miserable whining people in AH now then ever before. Why anyone would play a game to be miserable is beyond me.
And I haven't figured out a way to turn off all the channels yet so I can just enjoy the flying.
No one dies, planes are free and if your ego is built on being an AH pilot, I feel sorry for you.I just wish folks could enjoy it for the fun it can be.
Just put all your channels on vox channel 223 or something above 200. Typing in the number or your name
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Originally posted by Kweassa
2. Side balancing doesn't work. HT hates people saying that they might know what he was thinking, so under that premise (we don't know what the hell he was thinking when he implemented the side balancer mechanism into the game),one thing we now know, is that essentially the side balancer system does not actually balance sides, but merely takes away the overused rides from the dominant country so the other two can at least take some consolation from the fact that many of the horde pilots will be grumbling about how they can't fly their 380mph-at-deck Lgay7s.
Originally posted by hitech
So if you ask the question does ENY perfectly balance the arena, the answere is no, (because it wasn't ment to be a perfect balance). But it has drasticly limited the peeks and valies as it was designed to do so.
HiTech
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Bish do often have bigger numbers logged in, however, I look at the stats and around the bases to find 20% of them sat there AKF waiting for their precious 20 free perks to arrive.
If I could choose one feature to add to AH, it would be an auto disconnect if you are on the ground and AFK for longer than 20 minutes.
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I have created and responded to a few posts on this subject in the past 3 - 4 months.
During prime time weekdays and weekends the knights are holding their own numbers wise and sometimes may have the most players on (but usually by no more then 10-20%).
But consistantly for the past 4 months and posibly longer the knights are heavely outmanned during non prime time (M-F 2:00 AM EDT to 11:00 AM EDT). Many times during this time frame it is typical to see numbers like:
Bish - 60
Rooks- 50
Knights -25
To make matters worse when this happens the bish and rook realise that if they both just fight a one front war against the knights then the Knights are easy pickins being outnumbers by ratio's like 110 players to 25.
ENY would help during times like this when the mis balanced ratios justify it, by at least taking the Spit16/LA7/Niki/P51D away from the hoarding masses, but the little known fact about the way Hitech implemented ENY is it will never kick in untill there are at least 200 players logged into the MA. So during non peak hours when the MA stays between 90 and 170 players most of the time the outnumbers Knights ( or whoevers turn it is to be outnumbered and slautered by the horde) never get a chance to have ENY try and help them.
*** My sugestion would be to let ENY kick in the MA when the ratios misbalance justifies it (as the current modeled ENY works), but to modify the minimum MA number rule from 200 players down to 100 players. That way at least the sidewith 20-30 players would have a chance!!!. The way it is now you just take cannons up the prettythang the nose and the sides all at the same time by the 110 to 25 player horde coming at you. ***
P.S. - I usually log in at least 100 hours a month and most of my playing time is during the non peak early morning hours I mentioned above, and i can definetely say that Knights have been on the low side of this Non-Peak time MA play for at least the last 4 months and probably longer. There may be an occasional non peak morning when we have close to even sides or a slight edge in numbers, but i would say 85% of the non-peak mornings for the past 4 months knights are definetrly heavely outnumbered and it would be nice if ENY was helping us then.
I am sure when the tide swings and rooks or bish are on the short side of the Non-Peak early morning side misbalance they would also appreciate help from the ENY system, but until Hitech changes the minimum MA players rule to something lower then 200 players (hopefully closer to 100) then the short sided side is always going to get steam rolled.
Rooks and Bish better hope Hitech does not change the ENY 200 player minimum rule because if he did you guys would never win another war. The only reason Knights loose the wars now is because during the Morning non-peak time horde attacks you guys take back all the bases and then some that we won from you the night befor when the numbers are more even!!! :) :) :)
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
Personally I do think its GOOD that pilots swich sides...
Its always good to get a reminder that the pilots you fight are equaly nice people as the ones you fly with and that the ones you fly with are equaly lame altmonkeying, vulching, hoing dweebs.... its a realization that helps you alot to controll frustration..
I used to think that way too, Tex. In fact I maintained a separate account for a while just to be able to tour different countries with. Recently, though, there have been too many examples that go against your "equally nice" theory.
TinMan ... the same bunch of couch pilots that are sitting AFK in Bishland now were probably in Rookland a couple months ago, waiting for their reset perks.
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Originally posted by Dastrdly
is this game fare for all sides?
If you hang around long enoug....................Yup.
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Originally posted by richard_rd
I have created and responded to a few posts on this subject in the past 3 - 4 months.
During prime time weekdays and weekends the knights are holding their own numbers wise and sometimes may have the most players on (but usually by no more then 10-20%).
But consistantly for the past 4 months and posibly longer the knights are heavely outmanned during non prime time (M-F 2:00 AM EDT to 11:00 AM EDT). Many times during this time frame it is typical to see numbers like:
Bish - 60
Rooks- 50
Knights -25
To make matters worse when this happens the bish and rook realise that if they both just fight a one front war against the knights then the Knights are easy pickins being outnumbers by ratio's like 110 players to 25.
ENY would help during times like this when the mis balanced ratios justify it, by at least taking the Spit16/LA7/Niki/P51D away from the hoarding masses, but the little known fact about the way Hitech implemented ENY is it will never kick in untill there are at least 200 players logged into the MA. So during non peak hours when the MA stays between 90 and 170 players most of the time the outnumbers Knights ( or whoevers turn it is to be outnumbered and slautered by the horde) never get a chance to have ENY try and help them.
*** My sugestion would be to let ENY kick in the MA when the ratios misbalance justifies it (as the current modeled ENY works), but to modify the minimum MA number rule from 200 players down to 100 players. That way at least the sidewith 20-30 players would have a chance!!!. The way it is now you just take cannons up the prettythang the nose and the sides all at the same time by the 110 to 25 player horde coming at you. ***
P.S. - I usually log in at least 100 hours a month and most of my playing time is during the non peak early morning hours I mentioned above, and i can definetely say that Knights have been on the low side of this Non-Peak time MA play for at least the last 4 months and probably longer. There may be an occasional non peak morning when we have close to even sides or a slight edge in numbers, but i would say 85% of the non-peak mornings for the past 4 months knights are definetrly heavely outnumbered and it would be nice if ENY was helping us then.
I am sure when the tide swings and rooks or bish are on the short side of the Non-Peak early morning side misbalance they would also appreciate help from the ENY system, but until Hitech changes the minimum MA players rule to something lower then 200 players (hopefully closer to 100) then the short sided side is always going to get steam rolled.
Rooks and Bish better hope Hitech does not change the ENY 200 player minimum rule because if he did you guys would never win another war. The only reason Knights loose the wars now is because during the Morning non-peak time horde attacks you guys take back all the bases and then some that we won from you the night befor when the numbers are more even!!! :) :) :)
Always said that the ENY limits ratio should apply NO-MATTER how many people are on.
Yet again this was a change requested by the same people who got the original way ENY used to work altered.
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To make matters worse when this happens the bish and rook realise that if they both just fight a one front war against the knights then the Knights are easy pickins being outnumbers by ratio's like 110 players to 25.
And that surprises you ? ... not me. The vast major of the MA players had turned into "Timid Warriors" ... they can't face conflict or fight without flying in numbers.
Funniest part is when you run into one of these "pods", your death is certain, but then in the end, they think they are l33t pilots picking off a guy that is fighting at least 5 v 1.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Always said that the ENY limits ratio should apply NO-MATTER how many people are on.
Yet again this was a change requested by the same people who got the original way ENY used to work altered.
Wrong ... it was requested by a group that did fly mostly during off hours and didn't like the fact that with such low numbers, the ENY was effecting gameplay ... so they shot themselves in the foot.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I used to think that way too, Tex. In fact I maintained a separate account for a while just to be able to tour different countries with. Recently, though, there have been too many examples that go against your "equally nice" theory.
TinMan ... the same bunch of couch pilots that are sitting AFK in Bishland now were probably in Rookland a couple months ago, waiting for their reset perks.
Try flying with everyone under your primary account. This whole shades thing is getting trite. There is very little difference in the 3 countries. There are certainly a few sweetheartbags on all sides, but the vast majority of folks aren't any trouble at all. I've spent, I'd guess, nearly a year and half on each of the 3 sides, and I sometimes even forget who I'm flying for. I just don't buy your theory.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Try flying with everyone under your primary account. This whole shades thing is getting trite. There is very little difference in the 3 countries. There are certainly a few sweetheartbags on all sides, but the vast majority of folks aren't any trouble at all. I've spent, I'd guess, nearly a year and half on each of the 3 sides, and I sometimes even forget who I'm flying for. I just don't buy your theory.
Because I ran events, and do other things to support the game, I needed a shade just to have peace and quiet when I wanted to play. I always let people I regularly flew with know who I was - though my choice of handles usually was a dead give away. And that's the way I've managed my accounts for over a decade.
I agree that the vast majority are great people. But dealing with the percentage who are not is just more trouble than its worth for the experience of other lands.