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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Eagler on May 08, 2001, 09:35:00 AM
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MOTHER'S DAY BANNED . . .
May 8, 2001 -- PARENTS whose kids attend a pricey Manhattan private school are in an uproar over a new policy aimed at protecting the feelings of children raised by same-sex couples: Mother's Day has been banned.
And in the interest of fairness, Father's Day, too.
Students at Rodeph Sholom Day School on the Upper West Side, where tennis legend John McEnroe sends his children, came home Friday with an unusual note tucked into their book bags.
"I am writing this letter to inform you that after much thought and discussion this past year, we will not be celebrating Mother's Day and Father's Day," began the letter written by Cindi Samson, director of the school's lower elementary division.
"At this time, these holidays are not needed to enhance our writing and arts programs," the letter continued. "Second, families in our society are now diverse and varied.
"We are a school with many different family makeups, and we need to recognize the emotional well-being of all the children in our school. Holidays that serve no educational purpose and are not vital to the children's education need to be evaluated in terms of their importance in a school setting, as the recognition of these holidays in a social setting may not be a positive experience for all children."
When did the biblical commandment - "Honor thy father and thy mother" - become a threat to children's emotional well-being?
Said one outraged mother: "There are ways of showing sensitivity to the needs of children in unusual situations that don't require undermining traditional family structures.
"This is an inappropriate and politically correct response," said the mom, who asked not to be identified.
Rodeph Sholom, affiliated with a Reform Jewish synagogue, educates kids from age 2 through sixth grade. Tuition runs around $15,000 a year for pre-kindergarten, and just under $20,000 for grade 6.
The bans affect kids ages 4 and older; younger kids apparently are still permitted to celebrate Mother's Day, which is this coming Sunday. And Father's Day, which is June 17.
How did a seemingly innocent celebration become dangerous? Parents told me the school observes most Jewish and American holidays, such as Thanksgiving, by engaging children in art projects.
Last Mother's Day, kids made cards for their mommies. For Father's Day, they decorated soup cans for their dads to use as pen holders.
That ended last week, a parent said, when a man - who adopted his son with a male partner - boasted that he had persuaded administrators to remove Mother's Day from the school's holiday list.
Reached at school yesterday, Samson said the decision to cancel was not based on a single case.
"The reasoning was several-fold," Samson said. "One is, it didn't serve an academic and educational need. Number two, families are changing. Some children were very uncomfortable."
She pointed out that some kids have one parent. Or, "There may be two fathers, two mothers, the mother may not have custody, it could be a grandmother."
The school's headmaster, Irwin Schlachter, did not return a call.
One disappointed mother found the ban puzzling.
"I thought it was sweet that they spend some time thinking about their parents, making a little art project," said the mom, who suggested that kids without moms or dads make gifts for their grandparents.
Like most parents I interviewed, she feared speaking out would adversely affect her child, and asked not to be identified.
I'm not sure what's more fuzzy-headed: preventing kids from honoring their parents or believing that banning a celebration will somehow help kids who are not part of traditional families.
Kids don't live in a bubble. Not even on the Upper West Side.
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And you wonder why kids today are so screwed up today....
We are so busy trying to accept the abnormal as normal, no wonder they don't know right from wrong, up from down and scream in so many ways for our attention.
Eagler
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I am truly appawled at this. For one thing why the hell would the parents remain anonymous? I would speak out rather bluntly I don't care if the fudge packers or carpet munchers feelings might get hurt. This is absolutely absurd. What next? Christmas? Sometimes I really do hate all the PC people out there.
All I have to say is go fu$k yourselves you tree humping democrats. Guees this gives new meaning to "Hump day" for some which I am sure the gays will proactively state this is our day only. God this toejam pisses me off.
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[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 05-08-2001).]
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AG Sachsenberg the problem with speaking out in public about this kind of thing is that the school can ban your kids and it's hard to find good private schools.
I agree that this PC BS is getting out of hand.
Tradition means nothing to the mentally ill.
Soon we will have to accept inter-species marriages just because we need to be "open minded and tolerant".
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Im sorry if I am spending that much money for school, I will voice my opinion. My parents spent 10,000 a year to send me to catholic school from 1st-7th. I wasn't a catholic and soon my 7th grade year we had it out with them. Sorry if people feel they can let others walk over them that is fine.
I don't like it I will voice it, and if you say well that must work wonders at your job. To be honest it does for everyone knows I don't take toejam and I don't kiss people's asses. And I am sorry but it is easy finding good private education, they are not the only one in town. I guess pretty soon we need to turn this so that the str8's have rights too (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Tree-humping Democrats? Hmmm...sounds more like Elitist Republicans to me... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Mk
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ridiculous! but what do you expect from a headmaster named irving schlacter!? he needs a schlaxative (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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The thing that P.O.'s me is that you have to have physiological testing to be a cop, but any head case is handed the password to our children minds. No questions asked.
The math doesn't even work on this one. In a same sex family, Fathers day, or Mothers day should be double good for the kids. That is the same amount of fun as a Fathers day, and a Mothers day, for the little ones. I remember my son coming home, at age 5, beaming with pride, as he handed his mother a soggy (dropped in a rain puddle) hand made, Mothers day card. The kids are the ones getting cheated.
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What educational purpose does mother's day serve?
None.
So let's skip it and be done with it.
Why mix sexuality into it?
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Von Santa
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Why mix sexuality into it?
That would be "sexual orientation". Sexuality has a different meening.
And the strange thing is.. this was never an issue with single parents. What about kids who had lost a parent, or only lived with one, or had divorced and re-married parents. Not an issue.
But now, out of consideration for any confussion that might be attributed to same sex marriages accomodations aren't made... broad sweeping changes are made.
I sense a sensitivity double standard creeping in. Nice to see its not exclusive to the west coast.
AKDejaVu
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I sense a sensitivity double standard creeping in. Nice to see its not exclusive to the west coast.
AKDejaVu
LOL!
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What educational purpose does mother's day serve?
It teaches our kids to love and respect their parents.
By your reasoning why celebrate ANY holidays at all?
What educational reasons do we have Christmas? Or Labor day? or memorial day? or Martin Luther King Jr. day? or Presidents day and so on?(US holidays)
Each holiday teaches us something different or reminds us of something we shouldn't forget.
To take that away because of a few mentally ill people is wrong.
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Sorry, guys, I just have to interject my own f**king opinion here:
You know? If everyone in this f**king world would treat every other f**kiing person with the same f**king respect that they so admantly f**king DEMAND for themselves, wouldn't this f**king world be a better f**king place to f**king live????? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Btw, for those of you who are too f**king blind to see it, that's the golden f**king rule.
Think about it.
Buhdman, the f**king tree-hugging, bleeding f**king heart, died in the f**king wool liberal
BTW, Mighty1, what species are YOU planning to marry into? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Been married 18 years and not quite sure what it is yet. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
All I know is it squeakes a lot.
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Ditto to what Dejavu said.
Santa, you are 100 percent correct that this has nothing to do with education. That means that the education of a child in a non-traditional family is not being hampered in any way by schools observing this holiday. The exact same logic that you offer as concilliation to parent's in traditional families could and should be applied to the people who have sought out this change.
Their child's education is not hampered by this, so let it be.
You would find me strongly supporting this change if it did in fact have some sort of negative impact on any child's education, regardless of who their parents are.
Gordo
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Originally posted by Mighty1:
Been married 18 years and not quite sure what it is yet. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
All I know is it squeakes a lot.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Guess what Mighty1, you never will be and it will always squeak.
Thirty-four years and counting.
It must be a Mom, it gets stuff on Mothers Day.
Well, the generation raised on Sesame Street is starting to run the country now, I expect lots more of the ridiculous roadkill of the type that Simpson idiot is perpetrating.
Expect no serious opposition to the elimination of holidays until they get to MLK Day, then the wall will be hit.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
[This message has been edited by Sunchaser (edited 05-08-2001).]
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Any of you "private-idustry-does-it-better slogan-chanting-conservatives" notice that this had nothing to do with government? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
BTW, PC sucks. And this is froma Liberal.
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Just another illustration of how how traditional values are continually under attack by the new "norms". How pathetic.
Clueless too, for as far as I know everyone originated from a mother and a father... are we really wanting to further distance ourselves from any semblence of reverence to our elders?
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Originally posted by Kieran:
Just another illustration of how how traditional values are continually under attack by the new "norms". How pathetic.
Clueless too, for as far as I know everyone originated from a mother and a father... are we really wanting to further distance ourselves from any semblence of reverence to our elders?
Speak for yourself I came from a test tube was raised by wolves in the forrest. Where Are my rights?
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Totally ridiculas. You'd think they would want to ban Valentine's Day, Secretary's Day, Sweetheart's Day or one of those other stupid, in-your-pocket holidays.
I just hope that they don't ban carpet munching. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Come to think of it, I don't think we'd want them to completely stamp out peter puffing either. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Seriously, I blame it all on the parents for putting up with this private school's nonsense. My children would be in a parochial school if I could afford it, but I'd pull them out in a minute if Mother's and Father's days were banned for this politically correct reason. It's only a big deal for the first and second graders anyway. What a crock.
Gays are a minority. Why do these teacher's think the tail should wag the dog???
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Anyone stupid enough to spend $20,000 a year for a 8yr old deserves what they get
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Originally posted by john9001:
Anyone stupid enough to spend $20,000 a year for a 8yr old deserves what they get
And what would you rather spend it on?
miko
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Originally posted by Karnak:
Any of you "private-idustry-does-it-better slogan-chanting-conservatives" notice that this had nothing to do with government?
It is not true that the private industry can't do wrong. It does is often, usually under pressure from the government (like in this case).
The difference though is significant. If the private achool screws up, you can take your kid and your money and go elsewhere. If the public school does it they'll make you eat it, there is no recourse.
It's really frightning how the government is trying to bully the private industries around.
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in Eugene,Oregon , they tried to ban christmas trees in any city building . That lasted about a week , but still some tried but did not wish to be identified .
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Originally posted by paintmaw:
in Eugene,Oregon , they tried to ban christmas trees in any city building . That lasted about a week , but still some tried but did not wish to be identified .
in san francisco there is a huge cross on a hill. you cant really see because it is obscured by trees, it but it is in a predominately jewish part of town. they tried to get it demolished on the grounds that religious symbols should not appear on public lands - even preexisting symbols. in the end a group of christian slovenian refugees bought the land - thereby making it private thereby saving it.
i had a chance to debate one of the guys who started the campaign to demolish it and asked him (he's jewish) - what if it had been a giant star of david? would you have been so quick to denounce it then? it is after all a religious symbol....."no, of course not" he admitted in front of at least 15 people:
'the star of david does not represent oppression in the way that the cross does - the star of david represents jews who have been oppressed so having it there would be equal time so to speak.'
his explanation to me was that white, hetero, christian, male, eurocentric values are so dominant that anything they can do to introduce other values is fair play.
personally i dont want any faith's religious symbols on public lands but if they are already there - then they are there for good... i would oppose building new ones. the point is, it seems that anything involving traditionally held values is becoming unwelcome - simply because they are traditional values - some of them may admittedly need to go but, what values will replace them ? the motivation to change seems like bitterness and not a true attempt to better society -
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By your reasoning why celebrate ANY holidays at all?
We shouldn't. Drop them all. But recognize the need of the working man to have an extra day off now and then, and stop hinding it behind excuses such as holidays.
It's a private school. If they don't want kids running around making thingies to their mothers on time that could be spent studying, that's their call.
Holidays are overrated. Except for some time off, I dunno what good they do. I have a holiday on friday, except I ain't gonna have a day off, which makes it even worse. So, discard those silly things. Call a spade a spade, and have "days off" instead, for you to spend in any way you want.
Holidays to me seem to be more about commercial interests than anything else.
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Santa:
Your approach is the typical Leftist/Socialist/Liberal "solution" as taken by that idiot school director, i.e. FORCE everyone to be equally miserable.
Cabby
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Have a happy nonspecfic gender adult in a supervisory role day.
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I agree some holidays are for commercial purposes but not all.
Our Memorial Day and 4th of July(Independence Day) are 2 that hold meaning that should never go away.
Now Valentines day is one of the most commercial holidays I've ever seen.
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your youth is showing StSanta (again)
Eagler
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I notice none of you pro-'enterprise over government' people have taken issue with Karnak's (very valid point). (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Yes ,, our little town had a cross for probably 30 years , it came down 2 years ago . I'm not a religious man but I still thought it sucked
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Hehe, just read that Oregon school district will pay (with your tax money) to bus children to see the visiting Dali Laama at a speech he will be giving...just curious if this is a double standard, do you think that the left would have an outcry if, say, the Pope, or, Jerry Farwell was the speaker, and public monies were used to bus children to their speeches? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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See I use holidays for a differnt theme. See I got married corny as it may be on Valentines day.
What purpose did this serve?
For one I would never forget it because it is on every calendar.
Second people at work would remind you " hey what did you get your wife for valentines day?"
Third I knocked out 2 gifts for the price of one.
Last but not least, if you get divorced you no longer have to celebrate the holiday with your next girlfriend. Claim the well it reminds me of her theme.
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Sell my clothes I am going to Heaven!
[This message has been edited by AG Sachsenberg (edited 05-09-2001).]
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Your approach is the typical socialist/Liberal "solution" as taken by that idiot school director, i.e. FORCE everyone to be equally miserable.
Dude. You don't even know where I stand politically - I'm incredibly "blue" as opposed to red and strongly advocate keeping a government to an absolute minimum. It's gone so far that I'm confident that I'll leave the country when I'm done with my studies just because I'm fed up with this parential "we know what's good for you" society I live in where the government wastes money on projects of futility and lack any controlling mechanisms to keep their spendings under scrutiny. And people just lap it up, being conservative as always (Danes are a conservative people in many ways).
So don't put labels on me. Or do, but at least make sure they fediddleing fit.
It's capitalism. I love it, you do too, probably.
It's a PRIVATE school. They can do as they want, and parents can vote with their money. Supply and demand, quite simple. They deliver a package, you either buy or you don't. There may be aspects of it that you don't like, but if the overall impression still is a large enough plus, then you will buy, especially if there aren't many alternatives.
They're not forcing ANYONE to attend.
what, you ok with the Boyscouts Of America keeping atheists and homosexuals out? You know, that's just TYPICAL of the leftist pinko socialist style of thinking - divide and conquer.
Eagler, I fail to see what this has to do with youth - if anything it has something to do with the loss of innocence and a cynicism derived from living and experiencing. I'm old enough to see the hypocricy and see the real motives behind things - usually money of things that enhances a person's sense of well being. All wrapped up in cute little words making up a lie that those who WANT to believe can believe in. I ain't buying it though, and I do my best to see my own little lies and real reasons. Sometimes I find 'um and do nothing about 'em, but at least I know 'um for what they are, and will gladly agree if someone points 'um out. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Christmas? Not my holiday, but gimme the days off, and I'm fine with it. Only 2/7th of our adult life is spent doing what we really want during the day, the rest is spent with work. So I advocate calling them "offdays", because that's what they are at least to some of us. And, we should be given the right to distribute them as we see fit. You want to distribute them on religious days, that is perfectly fine with me. I just think I should be shown the same courtesy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
In my humble opinion, the vast majority of "traditions" aren't especially good, and represent a stagnant society unwilling to move forward. That they cause resentment and conflict or stress or whatnot (like XMAS) doesn't make it any better.
Ugh, this came out a bit too angry. I might be a bit overworked at the time, but if you remove the hyperbole from this stuff, there is at the very least an ounce of truth.
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Von Santa
Staffelkapitän 9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Originally posted by StSanta:
Ugh, this came out a bit too angry. I might be a bit overworked at the time, but if you remove the hyperbole from this stuff, there is at the very least an ounce of truth.
LOL you said hyperbole.
Or for you pot smokers take on this word.
Its pot laced with coke.
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You see Santa, if you disagree with Cabby you have to be a socialist/communist/liberal. It really is that simple.
BTW, I've been reading about Britain's siege of Copenhagen. Are you taught about it at school?
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I hate to point this out, but nowhere is is stated that the kids in this school cannot honor their mothers (or mother-substitues) on Mother's Day, in any way they like. They have just, in their narrow little way, decided that in their school they are not going to address the diverse nature of "parenthood" and family structure in modern society. Cowards. But hey, since when is it written that Mother's Day has to be a school function?
I plan on celebrating Mother's Day with my mom no matter what "they" say. And even though my kids are both done with school, they better do it with their mom or I'll kick their asses! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As to how to treat people who are "different" than me? I said it above (although rather brusquely) -- for me, the Golden Rule has to be the final check. But then, I'm just a blathering liberal, what else would you expect. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
Buhdman, out
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The future is bleak... As a young American, the people that are at the end of their lives and screwing this country every which way have no idea what they are doing to the generations that are going to have to live through this roadkill.
I personally want to thank every amazinhunk who thinks that we need to remove a holiday that serves to cherish the people who brought each and every diddlying one of you life.
Lets make the world nice and pretty for the limp wristed.
Hell no... logs get eaten by the beavers, when's the last time you saw a log eat a log?
-SW
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Originally posted by Mr. T:
Hell no... logs get eaten by the beavers, when's the last time you saw a log eat a log?
-SW
Dude leave the beavers out of this one. Ah yes the beaver aren't we all a little hard on the beaver sometime?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Hehe, just read that Oregon school district will pay (with your tax money) to bus children to see the visiting Dali Laama at a speech he will be giving...just curious if this is a double standard, do you think that the left would have an outcry if, say, the Pope, or, Jerry Farwell was the speaker, and public monies were used to bus children to their speeches? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ripsnort, you might be surprised to learn that not all of us on the "left" would support this kind of abuse of public funds. Don't get me wrong, I think every kid and adult in this nation, nay even this world, should hear what the Dahli Llama has to say, but it is not the function of the public school system to make that happen.
Having read a lot of his books, I have yet to find anything actually "religious" about what he has to say. He's a Buddhist, yes, but he reaches out to people of all religious faiths with his teachings. In fact, if a Christian or Jewish or whatever person were to actually hear and comprehend what the Dahli Llama has to say, that person would wind up being a better Christian, Jew, or whatever person. All the Dahli Llama asks of us is that we learn to treat each other with compassion and love. Gee, here we go back to the Golden Rule, again. Damn, can't get away from that thing. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Buhdman, out