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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: soda72 on May 31, 2006, 04:18:52 PM
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Independent Dutch investigators have cleared seven-time Tour de France cycling champion Lance Armstrong of the United States of doping in the 1999 race, and have blamed anti-doping officials for misconduct in the case.
http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-05-31-voa35.cfm (http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-05-31-voa35.cfm)
To all you Lance Bashers.. :p
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It's about time...I hope he sue's their panzy asses...~:)
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Well it would be nice to see this publicized as much as the original charges. I bet most French news organizations dont bother covering it.
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So now can we start counting his home runs? wait a minute...
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He got away with it? They couldn't prove it, so they had to clear him, he was a juicer, no doubt. The white guys always get off
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Cleared by a Lawyer ?
And you believe this ?
Buy a brain.
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Originally posted by straffo
Buy a brain.
hmmm, don't we seem to be a little bit upset..
I hear sour grapes are good for that..
:rofl
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I'm not upset.
I just find very entertaining the idea that someone can believe there is one person clean in this sport (Lance of any other)
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Hehehehe
The drama continues!
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13062398/
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - The French sports newspaper that accused Lance Armstrong of doping stood by its reporting Thursday, a day after an investigator cleared the seven-time Tour de France champion.
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just like the old "why pick indian crab" anaology...
Picking indian crabs is better then picking white crabs because when one crab get to the top of the bucket to escape, the others will pull him back in because if they dont have a chance to get out, why should the one on top get a chance too? White crabs will help each other escape.
Just to let you know there is no indian crabs... its an anaology used when we describe the way the Native American society works. Some of the Native American people don't celebrate or recognize accomplishment but rather put it down or find the faults in the accomplishment.
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Originally posted by straffo
Cleared by a Lawyer ?
And you believe this ?
Buy a brain.
Accused by a French organization with an agenda?
And you believe this?
Works both ways.
AFTER he won seven in a row and retired he is accused of something that supposedly happened 7 years before. By way of using testing done under less than honest circumstances.
So a lawyer clearing him (who says it was the lawyer that cleared him anyway?) is supposed to be less believable than the accusation was to begin with?
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
AFTER he won seven in a row and retired he is accused of something that supposedly happened 7 years before.
just wait until the FIA found something against Schumachers
7 Formula 1 world titles. People will allways search for something
if a human wins more then the usual brain can accept.
For me Lance is an outstanding athlet, i watched the last
4 years Tour de France, even i'm Jan Ulrich fan, but Lance
was fantastic to watch live at the races.
I hope he starts 2006 after all the BS in the newspaper.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Accused by a French organization with an agenda?
The LNDD is not an organisation
And you believe this?[/B]
Thr LNDD , yes, l'équipe ... not allways.
Works both ways.
AFTER he won seven in a row and retired he is accused of something that supposedly happened 7 years before. By way of using testing done under less than honest circumstances.[/B]
As each winner of the TdF he was supect during all this period.
So a lawyer clearing him (who says it was the lawyer that cleared him anyway?) is supposed to be less believable than the accusation was to begin with? [/B]
it's in the linked article.
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Originally posted by straffo
The LNDD is not an organisation
Then what is it?
"I belong to no organised political pary... I am a Democrat" -- Will Rogers
You'd think they could get a lot more done if they were organized.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Then what is it?
It's an EPA : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Établissement_public_à_caractère_administratif
It's independant.
BTW I should remember that Lance got caught in 1999 but produced a document "a posteriori" violating the regulation of the UCI ... and the UCI accepted the document as valid violating it's own rules !.
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Straffo and others...
The test that has been used on Armstrong and others (some Belgian triathelete got "busted" too) has not been reported in full detail in a peer reviewed journal. If anyone can find a complete experimental description of how the test works, the standards they use to show differentiation between EPO types...then I'll believe it.
There was a brief note or communication in Nature Biotechnology that I read. It was not very convincing.
Contrast the testing/reporting they do with an FDA approved drug. Literally tens of thousands of people participate through several phases of drug development.
I'm not saying Armstrong was clean...I just don't think that the test they are still developing should be used by the media/public to convict an athelete.
As a side note...one of the common HIV tests gives false positives as well (there are a couple...I forget which one it is...) I'd hate to be on the receiving end of that "positive test"...
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Originally posted by straffo
BTW I should remember that Lance got caught in 1999 but produced a document "a posteriori" violating the regulation of the UCI ... and the UCI accepted the document as valid violating it's own rules !.
Was this the cortizone cream he got "busted" for? You are allowed to use over the counter cortisone creams (anti-itch, anti-blister creams) in cycling. He tested "positive" for traces of this which was of no beneficial value.
Keep in mind how ridiculous some of the anti-doping rules are: Jonathan Vaughters (riding for Credit Agricole?) got stung by a bee on his face. It was swollen to the size of a basketball. He was not allowed to get a cortisone shot to reduce the inflamation.
Sometimes the UCI/WADA is quite overzealous........