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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on May 31, 2006, 05:19:49 PM
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A double-amputee Iraq-war vet is suing Michael Moore for $85 million, claiming the portly peacenik recycled an old interview and used it out of context to make him appear anti-war in “Fahrenheit 9/11.”
Sgt. Peter Damon, 33, who strongly supports America’s invasion of Iraq, said he never agreed to be in the 2004 movie, which trashes President Bush.
In the 2003 interview, which he did at Walter Reed Army Hospital for NBC News, he discussed only a new painkiller the military was using on wounded vets. “They took the clip because it was a gut-wrenching scene,” Damon said yesterday. “They sandwiched it in. [Moore] was using me as ammunition.”
Damon seems to “voice complaint about the war effort” in the movie, according to the lawsuit.
But what the father of two from Middleborough, Mass., was really talking about was the “excruciating” pain he felt after he lost his arms when a Black Hawk helicopter exploded in front of him. Damon wasn’t expressing any opinion about the war, the suit charges, but rather extolling the drug.
“I just want everybody to know what kind of a guy Michael Moore is, and what kind of film this is,” said Damon. He has appeared in two films attacking “Fahrenheit” -“Michael Moore Hates America” and “Fahrenhype 9/11.” ...
Particularly outrageous to Damon is the fact that Moore never interviewed him or asked his permission to use the old clip
Personally I'd hate to be misquoted and put in a moore film but in reality I don't think the soldier has a leg to stand on (no pun intended if he'd lost his legs too) if he agreed to the orriginal interview and then Moore baught the rights to the interview for the film. It would be kinda sad (like the entire movie) if this clip was used out of context (not like moore cares about that) but personally I cant remember the scene in wich this happens.
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From what I have read, almost everything in a Moore movie is either out of context or just plain wrong. Seems he doesnt mind lieing to fool democrats and make money.
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Many news agencys, reality shows, and not a small number of documentaries are guilty of the same thing. Why should some extremists personal agenda film be any different?
Believe nothing you hear and only half what you see.
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
Believe nothing you hear and only half what you see.
I question that...
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TV sucks, thats why i play this game :noid
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I'd send a dollar to that guy's legal defense fund. Though if I win tonight's lottery, I'll send 10.
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Sad thing is, if he wins, the lawyer will get 35-40% of that compensation. Personally, I'd like to see him (the lawyer), justify a payout that big. Not saying it can't be done, just interested in the tactics he'll use.
Ironic thing is, it's the more liberal judges, juries and jurisdictions that make these high-profile pay-days possible. If it works out, Michael Moore might get done-in by an offshoot of his own supposed ideology.
I'm wondering how much of that movie's profits Moore kept, and how much he dedicated to his favorite cause.
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michael moore should have eaten the guy when he had the chance...
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Mikie Moore= Do as I say not as I do!! what a jerk off
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Just another frivilous lawsuit.
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I've probably mentioned this before, but I have spoken with 3 young men who decided not to re-up after seeing Moore's movie, two of whom had expensive to train MOSs currently in short supply.
Now I know some would say, "3 guys in one town, what's the big deal?" Well that's just the few that one individual knows about in the airborne here at Bragg. If one simply extends that percentage to all of the US Armed forces throughout America, we are talking about thousands of Soldiers, Guardsmen, Sailors, and Aviators who have been persuaded by Moore not to re-enlist in addition to those who have seen the movie and decided not to enlist in the first place. Tokyo Rose probably had a less dramatic effect on troop retention, enlistment, and overall morale. It's also worth considering that Al Qaeda has removed fewer American troops from active service than Moore.
Truly the pen (or in this case the Tube) is mightier than the sword.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Just another frivilous lawsuit.
Nothing frivolous about it. Misprepresenting somebody's words, intentionally, for the purposes of propaganda, should be considered very serious. You wouldn't call it frivolous if the KKK decided to quote you out of context for their benefit, would you, in a high-profile big-screen production to boot? For this soldier, the offense was no less infuriating.
Freedom of speech must not be allowed to be exploited in such a manner. $85 million might be too much, but the soldier has every right to make a point.
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Like Bush says, we need tort reform to stop all these frivolous lawsuits.
shamus
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Originally posted by Seagoon
I've probably mentioned this before, but I have spoken with 3 young men who decided not to re-up after seeing Moore's movie, two of whom had expensive to train MOSs currently in short supply.
Now I know some would say, "3 guys in one town, what's the big deal?" Well that's just the few that one individual knows about in the airborne here at Bragg. If one simply extends that percentage to all of the US Armed forces throughout America, we are talking about thousands of Soldiers, Guardsmen, Sailors, and Aviators who have been persuaded by Moore not to re-enlist in addition to those who have seen the movie and decided not to enlist in the first place. Tokyo Rose probably had a less dramatic effect on troop retention, enlistment, and overall morale. It's also worth considering that Al Qaeda has removed fewer American troops from active service than Moore.
Truly the pen (or in this case the Tube) is mightier than the sword.
- SEAGOON
If they can be persuaded by Michael Moore not to re-up, (trust me) we don't need them.
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When asked about the use of lawsuits to combat the KKK and other supremist organizations, Mr Shamus replied.....
Originally posted by Shamus
Like Bush says, we need tort reform to stop all these frivolous lawsuits.
shamus
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Heaven forbid, Michael Moore convinced 3 guys that its not fun to drive around on the streets of Iraq getting shot at.
When are you volunteering for combat duty SeaGoon?
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Originally posted by weaselsan
When asked about the use of lawsuits to combat the KKK and other supremist organizations, Mr Shamus replied.....
I'm not sure that I meant it exactly that way, however, the point is valid...
I'm the son of a doctor, and, thus, have generally stood in favor of certain tort reforms. I'm also a soon-to-be lawyer, and, in this light, must ask the question: how can a government decide what is reasonable and what is not, PRIOR to a meeting between plaintiff, defendant and judge? Isn't that what trials are for? To decide if something is right or wrong?
In this sense, tort reform seems to be a short cut to justice. Yes, all court cases must meet certain requirements before going to trial, but their fitness for trial should never be determined by blanket legislation. It should be determined by a judge. A person's right to compensation for a very public, potentially damaging misuse of a quote is not something that can be summarily ruled out.
Legally speaking, there is no set definition for the word 'frivolous'. There are only opinions. For opinion to carry legal significance, at least in the system established in this country, it must be tried.
Moore practiced, perhaps even abused his right to free speech, and profited greatly. This soldier deserves his day in court, plain and simple. Any nation that deprives him of this right should just go back to burning people at the stake for witchcraft.
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That big fat Micheal Moore said I was anti-war! I want 85 MILLION dolloars! Oh pah-lease!:rolleyes:
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Xrtoronto,
I think the soldier has a valid claim if he is misrepresented in the film....
BUT,
I don't think he has a legal leg to stand on if Moore bought the rights to use the orriginal documentary and then cut it up into the film.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
That big fat Micheal Moore said I was anti-war! I want 85 MILLION dolloars! Oh pah-lease!:rolleyes:
85 million, maybe not. But perhaps you should check the following link.
Defamation (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=defamation)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Xrtoronto,
I think the soldier has a valid claim if he is misrepresented in the film....
BUT,
I don't think he has a legal leg to stand on if Moore bought the rights to use the orriginal documentary and then cut it up into the film.
I doubt that Moore bought rights to most, or, for that matter, any of the material in that film. He may have had them sign waivers beforehand. Michael Moore is many things, but stupid is not one of them. More than likely he covered his butt in one way or another.... Nevertheless, the fact that this potential case even made the papers would suggest that there might be more to it than a simple agreement and subsequent exploitation of said agreement.
One thing is for certain, however... Moore is fat.
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Like you Guns, I don't remember that part in F9/11. I honestly doubt MM would use unauthorised footage because he and his army of lawyers new that half the country would be out after him once he released this movie.
This is the ONLY law suite re: F9/11 that I know of. Has there been ANY others? Seems to me that if there are sooooo many lies that many people would have sued by now and won?
Will be interesting to see how this all washes out.
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Like you Guns, I don't remember that part in F9/11. I honestly doubt MM would use unauthorised footage because he and his army of lawyers new that half the country would be out after him once he released this movie.
This is the ONLY law suite re: F9/11 that I know of. Has there been ANY others? Seems to me that if there are sooooo many lies that many people would have sued by now and won?
Will be interesting to see how this all washes out.
Moore misrepresents alot of facts in the film and leads the veiwer to assume a lie. Well in the same sense that "bush lied about WMDs" Moore is not really telling lies but yet not painting a very good/honest whole impression.
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Hello Aquashrimp,
Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Heaven forbid, Michael Moore convinced 3 guys that its not fun to drive around on the streets of Iraq getting shot at.
When are you volunteering for combat duty SeaGoon?
I hope you'll forgive me if I have to respectfully decline that particular honor. In addition to being 37, I'm kind of tied up supporting the military community here at home. I pastor a church in Fayetteville, home of Ft. Bragg, that is about 90% active duty military. The congregation used to be mostly SF (Green Berets) and their families, but of late the number of Airborne guys and their families has been increasing so we are currently about even. At present, 5 people from our congregation are either in Afghanistan or Iraq including one of my ruling elders, I am the man who will have to notify their wives if they are killed, injured, or missing.
Over the past 4 years both the U.S. military and their families have been under tremendous pressure. Most of the men in our congregation will spend between 6 to 9 months of every year away from their families, almost all of them in harms way and that alone creates a world of need both in indirect and direct support doing things like bringing meals, emergency babysitting, and doing all manner of odd jobs (for instance, last week I spent an afternoon fixing the toilet for the family of a deployed SF medic) and of course in counseling, hospital visits, and the like. I can honestly say that even though I was once a systems administrator and on call 24x7, since becoming a pastor in a military town I have never worked more in my life. Then again, I wouldn't give up my calling and go back to computing for all the money in the world.
You can click on the link in my sig for a brief glimpse of our church.
- SEAGOON
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Ya..but did he sign the release papers?
if he did..too bad(and he should stfu)
if he didn't.?...I hope he sue's.
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I hope he wins, moore is an ass.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
When asked about the use of lawsuits to combat the KKK and other supremist organizations, Mr Shamus replied.....
Ah, so your against tort reform? good man!!!
shamus
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I think that moore should land on a US Carrier and declare that major combat operations are not over.
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i dont' think they can moor the K-class stuff on carriers anymore
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Pongo wrote;
I think that moore should land on a US Carrier and declare that major combat operations are not over.
Sources claim they are working on it, and have delivered his lunch...
(http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_060525-N-5174T-171.jpg)
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Originally posted by AlGorithm
Sources claim they are working on it, and have delivered his lunch...
(http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_060525-N-5174T-171.jpg)
:lol
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I hardly think that suing moore for intentionaly missrepresenting someones views in a film he profitted by would be "frivolous"
the only way would be to admit that the whole film was intended as "frivolous"... that it was a cartoon and not to be taken seriously.
moore insists that it is a documentary that is truthful however sooo.... he should be sued if he intentionaly harms someone by missrepresenting them.
Far from frivolous... this is what character suites should be about.
lazs