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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ujustdied on May 31, 2006, 11:08:36 PM
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i really wish i had a video to prove this but i dont........ it just makes me so mad that a perk f4u1c gets out ran buy a la5.
ok so im on the deck in the ocean of the coast of a base from a cv. there is a la5 there that has just upped and is going out to cv. i get in a fight and he jumps on my 6. now i get some help and the con i was fighting leaves and its me and the LA5. i get him into a lag roll and out manouver him. he runs like a tipical la la would. now this is a la5 (35eny) vs a perk f4u1c (5 eny) now he runs away(remember when i got him in that fight we both were going about the same speed.) now while he is running 800 away i pull off couse i dont feel like chasing him. when i pull off he turns too and is now on my 6. he is 800 away and CLOSING. he is now 400 away and i do another lag roll get on his 6 he runs and does the samething thing. eventually some of his friends come so i half to run. now the lala was 800 away and sped up to my f4u got 200 he eventually got me.
so heres my question. why the hell is the f4u1c perked if it cant even out run a stupid la5? that just doesnt seem right. he had no alt advantage and i acually got him in a dogfight which had to have slown him down. so i just dont understand how the hell he spedd up all the sudden. ITS A LA5 FOR GOD SAKES.
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you reversed him twice and failed to kill him? perks are not based on the ability to engage and disengage at will. La5s can easily out-accelerate any F4U, period. ENY will not determine your ability to win a fight.
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yes thats because when he got imfront of me he was already 600 out. like he did a booster thing or something. it was wierd its like he reganed all his speed back. never seen a la5 do that b4.
if so then why is the f4u1c perked and the la5 not. remember the la5 is 35eny.
catfish6
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Cuz it has much better guns, turns better and dives better.
shamus
oh..and is much purttier.
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Chog will stay perked, or else that will be the only plane you see coming off the deck of a carrier. It is only 5-15 perks depending on #'s. Heck, if you get that worked up over a few perks, you would have had a heart attack yesterday when I pressed alt+f4 while flying in a 262 simply because I had to answer the phone and was tired of playing anyway.
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F4U1C K/D: 2.43
La5 K/D: 1.13
In this game a HUGE difference
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You have a problem with the La-5FN?
Judging by the tone of your post, for some reason you seem to think that the La-5FN would be less capable than the La-7.
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Originally posted by Raptor01
...you would have had a heart attack yesterday when I pressed alt+f4 while flying in a 262 simply because I had to answer the phone and was tired of playing anyway....
Deliberatly bailed from a 262 yesterday, bingo'd ammo, just to get to the maproom with my 45....
But they brought 2 goooooooons. Waaaaaah!
The things we do for our countries eh?
but yeah, back to topic
LA5 is a high ENY mainly because of it's is early war usage (introduced on the Russian front in 1942). This should in no way lead you to believe it is not a decent aircraft.
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A simple rule of thumb with ANY ElGays is to not try and chase unless you got a HUGE E advantage. It's not so much that they're FASTER, but they're a LOT lighter so will easily out-accelerate the early Hogs on the deck. F4U-4 is an ENTIRELY different beast, however (IIRC on WW's charts she's well in the Top 10).
Usually if I see an La start to run, unless I got a shot I'll either let him go outright, or pull up into an immelman or even a high barrell roll. It's funny how many ElGay and Runstang drivers see that and immediately try to turn back in, and often times you'll get yourself at least a somewhat decent shooting position.
But yeah, I get tired of the whole ElGay run-and-Ho nonsense, too. Especially because no matter how I try and maneuver on the merge to deny the hit those front quarter shots ALWAYS hit me. :furious
Personally, I'd still like to see HTC unperk the 4-Hog for a tour and give the ElGay and Spit whiners something to REALLY complain about. :D
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La5 at 10k will dive like a rock and not compress at 500. and then rocket back up losing only a 1000 or so feet in the process. They are both fairly tuff planes, but the F4u does beat it in turn and guns,ammo,range,loadout,looks.
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back in the days of the pre perked Chog ....
It was Chogs everyware .. 20mm hazoka's blazing... the sound of gear/flaps getting dropped/raised ... pretty gull wings ... huge p&w's weping,,,,, your life was indanger constantly unless you were in one ... Boy i miss those days :D
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
back in the days of the pre perked Chog ....
It was Chogs everyware .. 20mm hazoka's blazing... the sound of gear/flaps getting dropped/raised ... pretty gull wings ... huge p&w's weping,,,,, your life was indanger constantly unless you were in one ... Boy i miss those days :D
Yep, perk the more then 2 cannon birds. That's the problem. I hate those things :)
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Originally posted by Raptor01
Chog will stay perked, or else that will be the only plane you see coming off the deck of a carrier. It is only 5-15 perks depending on #'s. Heck, if you get that worked up over a few perks, you would have had a heart attack yesterday when I pressed alt+f4 while flying in a 262 simply because I had to answer the phone and was tired of playing anyway.
Hey installing my new/old vid card (the one i had got fried) testing if AH would run on the old one i had EVERY graphics bug in the book. Black fog, black dar etc etc.... for some reason i chose a 262 on my test flight. No Joystick either. Took off, flew into the next best sector with loads of other planes - they happened to be all red......... uh oh, its been a while i flew mouse. Damn those slow reacting Jet engines........ What was keyboard fire button again? Theres a set of BUFFS - never mind the two high Ponys and Corsair........
LMAO. What a fun sortie. BTW, i made it home(!!) with two buff kills. Landing wasnt exactly text book with mouse though...... :t
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"it just makes me so mad ... just doesnt seem right. ...i just dont understand"
HTC truly needs a amusement park type of sign, on the startup screen, that says "Must be this tall to go on this ride!"
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A corvette will out accelerate an F16 from a dead stop.
PERK THE CORVETTE!!!!
Balsy
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Yep, perk the more then 2 cannon birds. That's the problem. I hate those things
Bah. Perk all Hizooka planes.
Only girls use Hizookas. Real men use MG151s.
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I didn't read your post, but I think the gist of it was that because you're new and couldn't beat an LA5 (lol), the Chog shouldn't be perked? Err... with that kind of logic, because most new guys lawn dart their 262's or simply can't kill ANYTHING with one, it shouldn't be perked either. lol? :noid
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Originally posted by Westy
HTC truly needs a amusement park type of sign, on the startup screen, that says "Must be this tall to go on this ride!"
Man how I hate those signs. No, not what you might think - I am actually too tall to be allowed to go on most rides! :D
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Originally posted by wetrat
I didn't read your post, but I think the gist of it was that because you're new and couldn't beat an LA5 (lol), the Chog shouldn't be perked? Err... with that kind of logic, because most new guys lawn dart their 262's or simply can't kill ANYTHING with one, it shouldn't be perked either. lol? :noid
I'm new, and I landed 2 kills the first time I brang a 262 out ;)
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Originally posted by ujustdied
yes thats because when he got imfront of me he was already 600 out. like he did a booster thing or something. it was wierd its like he reganed all his speed back. never seen a la5 do that b4.
if so then why is the f4u1c perked and the la5 not. remember the la5 is 35eny.
catfish6
You can hit at 600, i know I've done it with a Typhoon on a LA7 at 600, knocked his tail right off.
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Unjustdied..As soon as the LA5 turned back towards ya,you shoulda started spraying 20mms(assuming u had tracers on)...If that doesn't change his mind,keep the lead flying and HO the dweeb,breaking hard at 8ooft.
I'd rather fly into a b17 formation than a hail of CHOG lead.(hence why it's perked)
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Originally posted by wetrat
I didn't read your post, but I think the gist of it was that because you're new and couldn't beat an LA5 (lol), the Chog shouldn't be perked?
Catfish ain't new.
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Originally posted by Saxman
. F4U-4 is an ENTIRELY different beast, however (IIRC on WW's charts she's well in the Top 10).
Personally, I'd still like to see HTC unperk the 4-Hog for a tour and give the ElGay and Spit whiners something to REALLY complain about. :D
over 90% of the fights in MA are under 10k,
F4U-4 under 10k : --slower than La7
--worst acceleration
--3 x 20mm, offer better punch than 6 x.50cal
--worst rear visibility
Why to " REALLY" complain about!?
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I dont get the point about the ENY ratings. A F4U-1 has a much higher rating than a F4U-1C and will run circles around a Chog. Turning ability and speed are not what grant the Chog's perk status. Its a combination of doing alot of things well and having Hizookas on top of it.
If there's one thing I know, its that you dont take any plane for granted, because its the guy flying it that matters. Not the plane. He didnt get pwnd by a Laffer, he got pwnd by someone that knew his ride better.
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i would take a chog over a f4u-1 any day
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Originally posted by SirLoin
i would take a chog over a f4u-1 any day
I would rather you wouldnt :p
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u drain both planes for usefull ammo..chog should win..:p
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I seem to remember trying to drain ammo from your chog saturday or tues, and it didnt work, between you and the Spitfire on my tail, my plane broke ;)
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that thing is practically free!
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Or ... rather than perk based on number of cannons, model how cannons tended to jam more.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Or ... rather than perk based on number of cannons, model how cannons tended to jam more.
If I recall right, the Mk108 was more prone to jamming than other cannons. Not that I am against this idea in any way, but imagine the whines when 109K pilots loose their only cannon after just 2 or 3 shots. :D