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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Brenjen on June 01, 2006, 05:14:50 PM
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...just lost the ability to use their X-52 to it's fullest? I have been saying the X-52 SST profiles would not import & the modes are useless without it.
The throttle is screwed the view is screwed & on & on.
Skuzzy & HT don't even know what the SST profile is! $100 stick is now useless.
Can anyone shed any light on how to get this new AH version to work with the saitek mode profiler (SST)
It's always a problem with AHII, never any other program. I knew it was gonna suck when the update wouldn't work & kept coming up with errors, I had to delete the HTC folder & start all over again for the new AH version to work, & it's just like the beta - screwed & not nearly ready for prime time.:cry
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I have similar probs.......
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Problems here with the ch products as well. Its been a long time since I programed this thing going to be a long time in figuring it out again if I can.
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I've been trying since last week to get my Cyborg Evo Force to work with the beta. So now it is no longer beta, and my stick still doesn't work. Great.:furious
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I brought up the problems in the beta thread & asked how it was supposed to work, never got an answer, never got fixed, can't use my joystick. Gotta love paying for a cartoon video you can't participate in.:aok
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Only issue i had to manually fix was the axis issues.
For some reason it only showed x y z z axis
From my ch usb gear it is x y z r axis
What was happening was my throttle wasnt responding so I set it to the z axis (which is where it is suppose to be) and then also had to set my rudder peddles on the remaining z axis(should be r)
I also updated my ch control manager to version 4.0 as well hope this helps someone.
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Its odd.. I am using a X45 combo with SST Software and only had lost throttle control first, was easy to fix. After hearing of that kind of problems during Beta i was afraid of that new patch, for I use a rather exotic combination of X45(with SST), Cyborg 3D Gold, Simped-Vario USB pedals and TrackIr 4
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Originally posted by Lusche
Its odd.. I am using a X45 combo with SST Software and only had lost throttle control first, was easy to fix. After hearing of that kind of problems during Beta i was afraid of that new patch, for I use a rather exotic combination of X45(with SST), Cyborg 3D Gold, Simped-Vario USB pedals and TrackIr 4
please explain how you got your throttle to work for the technically challenged amongst us.
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Originally posted by storch
please explain how you got your throttle to work for the technically challenged amongst us.
Be assured that I am one of them too...
In my case, I just went options/controls/map controllers,
selected Saitek X45 Flight controller, dblclick on Throttle. A new window popped up, then I selected "Throttle 1" from "Analog Inputs".
But sadly I have some new problems on my own now. FR issues, lost mousepointer in windows, micro-freezes...
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I am about to try a fix I have been discussing with others. I'll post how it works out. One thing I can tell you guys I learned in the beta & POSTED about is you must remap certain keyboard buttons, some of the ones you need are set to "none"
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Originally posted by Lusche
Be assured that I am one of them too...
In my case, I just went options/controls/map controllers,
selected Saitek X45 Flight controller, dblclick on Throttle. A new window popped up, then I selected "Throttle 1" from "Analog Inputs".
But sadly I have some new problems on my own now. FR issues, lost mousepointer in windows, micro-freezes...
yayyyyyy figured it out I hit "modify" and it worked.
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Originally posted by Brenjen
...just lost the ability to use their X-52 to it's fullest? I have been saying the X-52 SST profiles would not import & the modes are useless without it.
try mapping direct that is what i did.. just can't use fancy macro's but i had plenty of keys to cover everything. and with all the extra modes u can have all the buttons u would ever want. the one thing i noticed was that ah defaults throttle to slider so you'll have to change that.
the throttle on the x-52 is Z you go into stick mapping and change it off slider to the z one don't remeber which z but one is for rudders and other is for throttle after that mine has worked fine.
but then i never could get sst to work with AH have always used thier stick mapper and this one is alot better then last one..
as far as modes that switch is looked at as buttons in the ah mapper you just got to set them to switch you between AH's differnt modes and your good to go.
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Originally posted by 332nd outlaw
the throttle on the x-52 is Z you go into stick mapping and change it off slider to the z one don't remeber which z but one is for rudders and other is for throttle after that mine has worked fine.
cc Z-axis for throttle and Z-rotation for the rudder
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I got it all worked out finally, there's a few hours of my life & three tylenol I'll never get back.:( The SST software will work, you just gotta work around AH's bugs.
P.S. Mode switch and all work. The SST software is the only way to go, if the AHII control map function would recognize the mode switch on the X-52 so you could map it, it would be easier for the guys who can't figure out the SST program, which is easier than AH's by a long shot.
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Please note the problem is NOT the way the game handles the input!!
The problem is in the way the game IMPORTS the old settings you had from 2.07. Nothing more! That's the major headache. If you go in and manually re-map all the functions you'll get everything back. It's relatively easy (I'm not THAT tech-savvy but I understood how to do it), but you have to know that you CAN do it (i.e. that the display is interactive, not just a display).
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<-------so glad i have a simple little Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro.
You too can own one for 32$ brand new in the box, ship's in a week.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MICROSOFT-SIDEWINDER-PRECISION-PRO-JOYSTICK-GAMES_W0QQitemZ5877118509QQcategoryZ3677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Originally posted by Krusty
Please note the problem is NOT the way the game handles the input!!
The problem is in the way the game IMPORTS the old settings you had from 2.07. Nothing more! That's the major headache. If you go in and manually re-map all the functions you'll get everything back. It's relatively easy (I'm not THAT tech-savvy but I understood how to do it), but you have to know that you CAN do it (i.e. that the display is interactive, not just a display).
Well, it was NOT the way the game imported the settings.
I D/L'd a fresh copy & had trouble, there were no settings from 2.07 to import.
There were keyboard commands that were blank on the first fresh D/L & those were fixed by D/L ing it again.
The Throttle had to be mapped to Z-axis (fixed the no throttle)
The secondary weapons had problems too selecting & firing both keyboard mapping problems set to "none"
The GV selecting smoke or HE or AP used to be the Backspace key, now it's the backslash key. There were other minor annoyances with the view hat etc. all fixed with tinkering & two fresh installs of the game. Had nothing to do with the way the settings were imported for me, I'm sure they did for someone, but not me or others I spoke with.
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Originally posted by AutoPilot
<-------so glad i have a simple little Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro.
You too can own one for 32$ brand new in the box, ship's in a week.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MICROSOFT-SIDEWINDER-PRECISION-PRO-JOYSTICK-GAMES_W0QQitemZ5877118509QQcategoryZ3677QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
LOL, got mine for $10 with 8 games & an adapter.
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Howdy
Here is the thing..... I figured out way back that is is much easier to map Buttons In saitek seteup then ... trying to corrdinate the setup between Saitech and AH. So when this new version came In all I had to do Is remap my fire Keys (KeyMapper) and a few small things back to default keys. F =fire B =Secondary N = Both Backspace = Toggel weapons.
So the way my set up works: I set My stick buttons Function as keys! So write down what keys do what in AH and the program those onto the buttons In saitek. I have my 2 stage triger to Key F halfpressed and N full press.
Dont Bother trying to Map Buttons Etc in AH!!! Just reset keys to default and map those in Saitec,,,, only other thing U have to do is map in your Axis' if those didn't import correctly!
Hope that helps
Cheers
MonkeyMeat
Oh just so U know I also have CH rudder peddals (with broken Toe Brakes) and IR Traker 3 Pro... plugged in... and they working fine as well.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Please note the problem is NOT the way the game handles the input!!
The problem is in the way the game IMPORTS the old settings you had from 2.07. Nothing more! That's the major headache. If you go in and manually re-map all the functions you'll get everything back. It's relatively easy (I'm not THAT tech-savvy but I understood how to do it), but you have to know that you CAN do it (i.e. that the display is interactive, not just a display).
Well, with the beta, it didn't import anything for me, and my stick just plain doesn't work. Oh, and I remapped everything several times, and it still doesn't work. The update functions the same way. For me anyway.
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cancel your account...it should mess up there stick as bad as yours
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Reacher, contact me in game. I can help you I'm pretty sure, I have talked four or five people through it. You will have to have a basic understanding of how the button mapping works of course, but the problems seem to be centered around a couple of things. Loading the default map if you use the in game map & imported settings or re-mapping keys for the other.
Get with me tomorrow if you want me to help, I will be glad to help you or anyone else with the saitek X-52 problems.
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OK....for those of you who are using CH HOTAS setup I've had problems also.
What I did. In control manager I dloaded my Map for AH. Throttle stuck wide open dint work. Went to joystick....on my map in control manager I have the Throttle as control device 3. I also have the axis in control manager set to slider 1. In aces high I set throttle to control device 3, throttle 1 selected input as slider it worked. In Control Manager my throttle axis was slider also....all I did was match them.
Fire buttons did not work also (primary, fire both, secondary.) Went into keymapping in Aces High (with my control manager enabled) and mapped they keys in control manager into key mapping in Aces High.
All is well. Calibrated and allwork fine. You'll find initially some things didn't work.....they just had to be mapped into keymapping in AH. For instance Fire Primary, Secondary etc. had no keys mapped in aces high. Just match them with the Contol Manager Map keystroke for those functions and you're in!
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Just use your mouse lol :p
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My X52 works fine.......... nooooo problem I have a mix of stuff modelled in the SST profiler and a mix set up in AH............
had to reset throttle, rpm, view hat and base switches.
AH 2.08 (as I understand it) never attempted to import stuff from the SST profiler or any particular profile............ it imports the old settings from 2.07 and the DX settings of the Joystick but looses the view hat as an analog and dumps the view settings on the JS base buttons. Basically 2.08 has lost the ability to read the hat as an anolog out put and so the view hat has to be reset using the dx button code.
The X52 out puts dx button number profiles for all its buttons and view hats. Unfortunately new dx button numbers could never be "profiled" or addressed to the mouse functions** or banded and profiled analogs (rotaries and slider) which have to be set with actual key strokes or macros.
Do not confuse the AH modes with X52 modes they are completely different. X52 mode rotary is totally none Dx freindly no game software using a dx interface will see it.
AH modes perform the same type of purpose but require another input to select them. I never use them..life just becomes toooo complicated the only stuff I switch modes on is stuff configured in the SST profiler.
** actually the mouse wheel does fleetingly out put a dx button number but its is so fleeting as to be unreliable. Hence better to profile it with a button and set "hold down" or repeat stroke acordingly.
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Originally posted by Bunyip
Just use your mouse lol :p
Too bad it doesn't work anymore eh?
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Originally posted by Krusty
Please note the problem is NOT the way the game handles the input!!
The problem is in the way the game IMPORTS the old settings you had from 2.07. Nothing more! That's the major headache. If you go in and manually re-map all the functions you'll get everything back. It's relatively easy (I'm not THAT tech-savvy but I understood how to do it), but you have to know that you CAN do it (i.e. that the display is interactive, not just a display).
Ill get everything back?, so it wont run at 1 FPS anymore?
The instant I plug in my Saitek rumble thing, AH drops to using 2 or 3% CPU usage, FPS is a solid one, and vox sounds like a guy on acid vomiting baby chickens.
Removing a usb hub and starting game with no joysticks (I use 2, both saitek, both worked fine before), AH runs great. I even wasted time with the reinstall from scratch ritual, which resulted in the afore mentioned wasted time.
Re-mapping accomplishes jack she-it, then again having a working stick is a bit useless at 1 FPS.
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vox sounds like a guy on acid vomiting baby chickens.
OMG...the metaphors you guys can come up with! Just too damned funny sometimes, I swear.
:rofl
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mmmm can't use joystick.........can't use mouse..........HTC can't get my money
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Originally posted by Winks
mmmm can't use joystick.........can't use mouse..........HTC can't get my money
It goes beyond that. think about it. your discreationary money will go somewhere. what are the alternatives?
real flying: very pricey and consumes gobs of time and you don't make enemies and even if you did you couldn't kill them and then heckle them afterwards.
Boating: you have to gas up the boat, ice up the boat, beer up the boat, wait for your friends who are never timely to arrive and then enjoy them drinking up all of your beer because they were late and didn't bring their own.
Shooting: spend an hour at the range spend three hours cleaning weapons.
Hog hunting: see boating replace boat with ATV. add insect bites.
Golf: green's fees, crowded courses, the mulligan crews heckling you (that would be me and my friends btw)
Bowling: (shudders)
Wifey: hmmmm, ok. but afterwards we have to walk down the aisles at home depot looking at fans, lighting and window treatments hand in hand.
you can see that there really aren't too many viable pastimes that are as economical and entertaining as this game, warts and all. pay up you'll be glad you did.
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U got a point there storch.............honey-do-list gets old after 1 day
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Captain Virgil Hilts I also have this stick never had to calibrate before as the game picked up everything fine.
Went through all the new axis calibrations remapped everything still dead to the world.
Its as if the joystick is disabled somehow works fine in windows control panel
:mad:
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Captain Virgil Hilts I also have this stick never had to calibrate before as the game picked up everything fine.
Went through all the new axis calibrations remapped everything still dead to the world.
Its as if the joystick is disabled somehow works fine in windows control panel
:mad:
DH367th also has the same stick, exact same problem.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I've been trying since last week to get my Cyborg Evo Force to work with the beta. So now it is no longer beta, and my stick still doesn't work. Great.:furious
mine works fine, had to go back and remap everything except ailerons and elevators though.
i have the saitek cyborg evo, not FFB, if that makes a dif.
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Thanks for the help batfink still no luck here tried looking at the saitek site for updated drivers there is one dated for march this year but it doesnt seem to do much when you download it.
Guess ill have to wait until THEY resolve the problem
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X52 (joystick and throttle), CH pedals USB, no real problems
Imported my settings except for select2, views, fire buttons, and reversed rpm slider.
I used SST software to make joystick shoot out keyboard commands, some as macros. Had no problems with SST.
INteresting to note that there is a slot now for "select weapon 1" -- wonder what that means might be coming....
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Hilts: Does it show up in the stick mapper screen? Or is it all blank?
I'm wondering if it's a bug related to the inputs or related to flat-out recognizing a stick is installed.
The key for x52 users seems to be the SST software. *seems* to be.
xmarine: I've read your other post. I have no clue what's going on, but if you're getting 1 FPS something is not working right. Try some basic trouble shooting to narrow down where the problem might be. Try to run something like FSAutoStart (or manually shut down a lot of programs) -- find out if 2.08 is really bogged down or if (for some odd reason) it's just requiring a lot more resources.
If you have another stick try plugging that in and see if 2.08 does the same. Try using a USB to gameport adapter, or something. Other than that I'm out of ideas right now.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Hilts: Does it show up in the stick mapper screen? Or is it all blank?
I'm wondering if it's a bug related to the inputs or related to flat-out recognizing a stick is installed.
The key for x52 users seems to be the SST software. *seems* to be.
xmarine: I've read your other post. I have no clue what's going on, but if you're getting 1 FPS something is not working right. Try some basic trouble shooting to narrow down where the problem might be. Try to run something like FSAutoStart (or manually shut down a lot of programs) -- find out if 2.08 is really bogged down or if (for some odd reason) it's just requiring a lot more resources.
If you have another stick try plugging that in and see if 2.08 does the same. Try using a USB to gameport adapter, or something. Other than that I'm out of ideas right now.
Seems that a few Saitek force feedback sticks are just dead to the game.
Its runs at 60 FPS with no joysticks, then will drop to 1-3 depending on which usb port I use. Maps refuse to stick if I'm lucky enough to get game @ full with a stick plugged in.
Everything was happily plugged into a hub before working slicker than snot on a doorknob. Now, its just a doorknob.
I installed the SST software, that worked great for taking up space.
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Well Gentlemen, I am glad to see I am not the only one who had that Problem.
After loading the new upgrade, and importing controls I had a dead stick. I to many hours to figure out what was going on and why things were screwed up.
Even After deleating AH and reloading, Deleating Saitek and reloading I was still having problems with no stick, no buttons, no buttons highlighting in the Map controller, No nothing. I sent 3 emails to TECH SUPPORT looking for a little guidence and help but no replys came forth. They get Weekends off. Needless to say I was a little upset that we get the new upgrade, and no one at AH to help some of us computer dummies.
After cooling off some I began playing around and discovered a few things. #1, if you have the Saitek Profiler turned on and go into AH your buttons in the Map Controller will NOT highlight up on the Screen. That was a Major Problem for me, for with 33 buttons you dont know which is which. #2 Check your Saitek Profiler, I discovered that during the process of the upgrade and trying to get things to work some of the functions I had programmed in were erased. #3 Nows the time you must make the chose, use the Saitek X52 Profiler as before, or use AH setup, which sadly is lacking as it did not allow for, the mini stick controller, and Wheel Button, and Multiple Commands on buttons.
I Chose to continue to use the Saitek Profiler, started up AH and went to the Map controller to discover the problem as to why no controls. Hit advance and saw the x,y,z functions were all zeroed out at the bottom of the scale. I hit the default button and brought everything back up to where it should be on the scaler and HEY, we now have a joystick. Also for you people who have throttle not working, It is not the slider controller but it is the z axis and you must engage that in the AH map controller and set it to Throttle 1.
Hope this might help some of you X52 Stickers.
X52 Rules!:aok
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little late here, but...
leave your profile EXACTLY as it is.
go into AH, and you need to go to the map keys option in the settings. you need to reassign the fire controls, f b and n, and also reassign the hat view settings. once you do that it's totally back to normal
send me a pm if you need more help :aok
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I've been trying since last week to get my Cyborg Evo Force to work with the beta. So now it is no longer beta, and my stick still doesn't work. Great.:furious
Saitek rumble force here, its still not right... at least it kinda works now, it was completely dead.
I think Saitek ran over Hitechs dog or something.
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Heres a link to how I "converted" the 2.07 stick config file into the new JoyStickMap file for my Saitek Cyborg.
Hope it helps somebody trying to import their old stick scaling.
Link to config file "conversion" (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=179138)