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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: BTILiLKilla on June 01, 2006, 07:06:44 PM
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OMG WHAT IS UP WITH 2.08 WHENEVR I TRY TO FIRE I RIGHT CLICK, WHEN I TURN I HOLD DOWN LEFT CLICK AND TURN, I CANT SCROLL DOWN TO THROTTEL UP, THIS IS SO PERVERTED GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR RRRRRRRRRRRRRR SOMEONE HELP ME PLEASE BEFORE I BLOW UP!!!
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read this link!
This is version 2.08 and you can read about the list of changes here (http://www.hitechcreations.com/news/releases/208patch0.html)
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Your problem is you're using a mouse for a game that's designed (nay, REQUIRES) a joystick.
Yes, I know, a few people DO use mouse inputs. Sure. But even a cheap 5-year old, $10USD stick will give you 50x the capabilities of a mouse.
Aside from that, if your problem is the throttle, use your other hand to change throttle, not the mouse-hand. This is just a matter of re-learning how to move your hands, not enough to totally freak out (type in caps) about.
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whoa i amy need to dl this hehehe.
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well since this is about the new update i figured i ask this question here. Before i when my engine started on the runway it went start to full power. The + and - buttons are set to control throttle but there not working, and i had a button set to idle my engine and now it doesnt work. I need to fix this stuff to play
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bkbandit, are you using mouse as well?
Because as soon as you have ANY for of throttle on mouse/joystick (wheel or lever), the keyboard control for throttle (+ and - key) is DISABLED.
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http://search.ebay.com/joystick
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Tex, the issue is NOT money or buying a stick.
The issue is WANTING to. As i said in another thread already. I regret that with the new system nem players cant try out the game immediatly after download without having to run to the store first to buy a stick.
And while *I* couldnt imagine doing that, i know quite a few players that fly mouse and bag me easily with it. They definitly are more comfortable/better off with mouse then with a stick.
Im not sure why we need to harrass them for it, or why game should be made unenjoyable for them, basically FORCING them to use a stick.
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Well Schatzi normally I agree with you, however this time finds us on opposite sides of the fence. AH is a WWII "flight" simulator, with some very good gameplay. As such it really demands the minimum of hardware to fly well. That includes a joystick, flying with just keyboard is simply not possible. Flying with the mouse while possible is not easy, intuitive, or supported, and takes much time and attention to detail to master. It would be like trying to drive a car with no steering wheel. Only the brake & throttle. Yes you can make the car move with just those 2, but your really not driving it.
Same can be said for 95% of those who try to fly with a mouse.
Yes they are making the plane move, but can they really FLY?
Considering that we have between 600 and 1500 $ tied up in a computer.
15$ a month for AH plus internet at another 15 - 40 $ a month.
Paying 50$ for a joystick so we can get the most out of the game we love really isn't unreasonable. Especially not when you consider most good joysticks will last 3 - 6 years with no real problems. Thats less than a dollar a month and makes a HUGE difference on your flying.
Trying to run AH without a joystick should be like trying to run AH without a sound card. Should get an error msg telling you AH won't run without it.
Saves their time, your time, trainers time, and everyone has fewer headaches.
Because we are all on the same page from the start.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Flying with the mouse while possible is not easy, intuitive, or supported, and takes much time and attention to detail to master.
Agreed 100%.
Originally posted by Ghosth
Yes they are making the plane move, but can they really FLY?
Have you ever met Raptor01? Or Lazer? Or Smiggy?
Yes, id say the CAN fly!!!!
I still dont understand why HT felt the need to change the mouse settings. Ive always told people that if they want to play this game more then a few hours, theyll need a Joystick (like for takeoff etc). But i dont see any harm in downloading the game, install it, get yourself going with autotakeoff and then see if you like the game while flying with mouse. Ive helped many a guy with mouse that told me "Hey, ill get a JS tomorrow, what do you recommend?". Is that a bad thing?
PS: Oh, and BTW Ghosth, i dont not think we really disagree on this. Me as well think that you need a Joystick to play AH. Yes, some people get really good with mouse... always makes me wonder what they could do with a decent JS setup *shudder*......
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texmurph go and fly a kite mate :)
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abd yes, thats my other question guys/ladies, on my mouse, I have a little scrollie thing, is it possible to input the + and the - functions to that like it was in 2.07?? so when i scroll back the throttle will increase, and when forward, it will decrease??...
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Originally posted by Schatzi
Have you ever met Raptor01? Or Lazer? Or Smiggy?Or croduh?
There i fixed it for you.
Anway whoever says flying with mouse is tough he never tried flying with mouse or he tried when he first tried the game (when it doesn't matter if you have a stick or mouse, you fly hard).
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Im not playing with a mouse but i dont have a stick either. I got one of those ps2 copys. Its a logitech. Everything on it is just like the ps2. I have fixed it for the most part but i still havent figured out the engine problems. Before when i started the engine on the ground(or auot take off) the engine would go to full power. Then i could either wep or just pull off normal. Its doesnt do that any more. Another thing that i need fixed is before my "triangle" button would take my engine from either wep or full power and cut it to a zero percent idle then when i took my finger off the button it would go right back to full power. LASt time i didnt set it this way, the game preetyy much set up it self and this is the what it gave me.
The left analog is the stick the right analog is the rudder, the square button is my first weapon, x button is my second, and circle button was my all weapon button. The d pad had my views but i used the number pad instead. I need that engine stuffed fixed right away so i can get back in the game.
I havent got a stick because everytime im about to go out to get one somethin happens. PLus i cant find nothin i want.
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Originally posted by duh
There i fixed it for you.
Anway whoever says flying with mouse is tough he never tried flying with mouse or he tried when he first tried the game (when it doesn't matter if you have a stick or mouse, you fly hard).
duh, sorry for missing you.
But i disagree. Flying with mouse IS harder. (And i *did* try it. Both. When i was already fairly good flying skill wise). You definitly have a less fine rudder input, and you can tell me you can look back up, pop your flaps out and correct aim with rudder all at the same time in a fight. Youd need at least three hands for that. With that im not saying you cant work around that - many people obviously do that with much success..... but still a Joystick makes it easier (at least in the long run, youll need a few weeks adjustment time).
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Hi,
Was jk about the quote:D
You are probably right about the keyboard layout, but i was thinking more about the mouse flying itself.
Some even said that they like mouse over sticks because they can control the plane faster(something like that).
BTW, about an hour of flying and fighting i started feeeling pain of constantly pressing the left mouse button:D
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I use mouse because with 3 young kids I have very little time to play and when flying a fighter I have great difficulty hitting even a bomber and always get shot down, I must not be very good. After the update my mouse did not have any control over the plane. What do I need to do to get the mouse to control flight? All those who fatten their stats on me will appreciate you helping me:)
Thanks
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i'm basically new to the game (1 month) and have been using a mouse , since it appears the new format is setup to use a joystick , what would be the least technical/best stick for a joystick newb
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is there any way i can fix this,i used to press one button, it would take my engine from full pwer to idle and when i take my finger off the button it would go back to full power. I cant fly with out this. Corsairs and mustangs pack on to much speed in the dive to be without this and the p47d needs this to get any use out of the dive flaps. I dont noe how i had this setup before, it was always like this. Please help me out, i have come a long way in the game for somethin this small to keep me grounded, this is one of the things i hate about computers. Again i have a logitech ps2 controller, it got the job done before so there no reason it shouldnt work now. I want to end this tour at least in the top 1000, every day i spent offline will kill my rank:mad: , please guys help me out, i want to get back in and get busy.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Well Schatzi normally I agree with you, however this time finds us on opposite sides of the fence. AH is a WWII "flight" simulator, with some very good gameplay. As such it really demands the minimum of hardware to fly well. That includes a joystick, flying with just keyboard is simply not possible. Flying with the mouse while possible is not easy, intuitive, or supported, and takes much time and attention to detail to master. It would be like trying to drive a car with no steering wheel. Only the brake & throttle. Yes you can make the car move with just those 2, but your really not driving it.
Same can be said for 95% of those who try to fly with a mouse.
Yes they are making the plane move, but can they really FLY?
Considering that we have between 600 and 1500 $ tied up in a computer.
15$ a month for AH plus internet at another 15 - 40 $ a month.
Paying 50$ for a joystick so we can get the most out of the game we love really isn't unreasonable. Especially not when you consider most good joysticks will last 3 - 6 years with no real problems. Thats less than a dollar a month and makes a HUGE difference on your flying.
Trying to run AH without a joystick should be like trying to run AH without a sound card. Should get an error msg telling you AH won't run without it.
Saves their time, your time, trainers time, and everyone has fewer headaches.
Because we are all on the same page from the start.
I see where your coming from Ghosth, belive me I really do, but, mouse users are customers/consumers first and foremost, I use a mouse here in my office and a stick back at the homestead, I have no real issues in being able to shoot people down or whatever in using a mouse or the stick, I'm still flying, either by using a mouse or a stick, if by really "flying" you are reffering to getting into a position to shoot someone, then I fail to see how using a stick only acheives this?
New versions/patches are usually created to enhance the experience of the product, but in this case, it looks like it's been rushed in with minimal amount of testing and working with the community, to decide to include a new procedure for mouse users without thought or care to mouse users is ignoring the wishes and demands of consumers, The end effect for HT is that this program is not a public service or a domain for a few individuals to hang around in with the right equipment, It's a business, it has to make money, to sell, Ask yourselves, If you ran a business and you disenfranchised a significant number of your customer base, would that be a smart business move? I think not.
All they have to do is fix the left button issue on the mouse, won't take long and would solve a lot of these debates, Consumers don't change to business demands, Business changes to Consumer demands, otherwise, Consumers have choices and I'm sure a lot of people out there will be weighing up their options and looking around for an alternative product.
Cheers
Hawco
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Someone today said that this was introduced to help joystick guys with the CB??
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Originally posted by max63
i'm basically new to the game (1 month) and have been using a mouse , since it appears the new format is setup to use a joystick , what would be the least technical/best stick for a joystick newb
Best is you do a search for "joystick" in this forum as well as hardware/software forum. Youll find plenty info on all different kinds of JS.
It really depends on how much money you want to spend.
What you NEED is:
8-way hatswitch
rudder control (rocker or twisty or even pedals)
Throttle control
as many buttons as you can stand ;)
Stay away from Logitech sticks. While some have been lucky, they generally dont last long.
A very good beginners stick is the Thrustmaster After Burner II (rocker rudder), Saitek Evo (twisty), or Speedlink Black Widow (rocker).
If you can spend a little more money think about Saitek X45 (rocker) or Saitek X52 (twisty and more loose springs).
If you want to stick with flight sims in the long run and dont mind spending a few hundred bucks: CH Setup (Throttle, Stick and Pedals).
PS: Rocker rudder or Twisty is a matter of personal preference, even though the twisty has a lot more danger of involuntary (and innappropriate) rudder input.