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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: KTM520guy on June 01, 2006, 08:12:59 PM
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:noid
I wanted to say worse but that's the only G rated term I could think of. My beef with this new version is this, My stick map no longer functions. I was able to use AH to sorta map it but most things would not work. No throttle or rudders also. What functions I was able to remap were lost after the Aces High crashed my computer. After a comp restart I would have to remap what I could all over again. I have done this 3 times so far. Now it's time to post my frustrations here on the board. I have a full CH Products HOTAS setup.
I'll keep an eye on the board in the hopes that someone posts a fix somewhere but I'm pretty sure that my "A" is riding the pine until V2.08 Patch 1 comes out.
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I had the same problem. However, in about two minutes, I figured everything out and got my setup exactly as it was in 2.07.
You just have to look around the settings to get a feel for everything.
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Had to reset my jostick to default under mapping controls for it to recognize my throttle on the stick, then remap my buttons.
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I did that also. No joy. The buttons on the throttle can be reprogramed but the throttle itself doesn't work. Also just found that flaps are either 100%down or 100% up, nothing in between. Like I said in my first post, If I have to restart my computer it's back to square one.
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I can figure it out but when AH puts a patch out they need to update the help page to work with the patch rather than us tryin to figure it out.
Or better yet tests would be in order, communications would be in order. The last time we heard from AH was 4/25/06.
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Originally posted by KTM520guy
I did that also. No joy. The buttons on the throttle can be reprogramed but the throttle itself doesn't work. Also just found that flaps are either 100%down or 100% up, nothing in between. Like I said in my first post, If I have to restart my computer it's back to square one.
the problem is the keyboard map is incomplete. map the keyboard keys & that will fix some of the problems & then set throttle 1 to Z-axis & the throttle should work. I have an X-52 & had to jump through hoops my man, most CH products are working well for folks.
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There was a beta forum where you could download the new client and try it out. Bug reporting, strangeness etc.
Guess what, HTC is a small company; we are the testers. You can't seriously expect them to buy every joystick on the market let alone add in countless different drivers for each one.
It was great tonight to see the guys pitching in and sorting each other out, instead of "lolzor u n00b wtf u retard u cant config stick lolllzz!!!1111eleven!!!!!" one might expect from other games.
I know there are major probs with some sticks that AH just flat out refuses but there's allready been a couple of weeks when these issues could have been dealt with. So do your bit in future, grab the beta's and try 'em out!
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Okay, hold on, take a breath. First we need to look at the basics.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1149215771_208inputs.jpg)
You got a list of inputs. They include analog inputs (things that move) and buttons (things that just click). The problem is when it imports your old settings it doesn't do it right. You can still select the axis (the analog input) you want, and assign it the function you want. You can double click it or hit the MODIFY button. Assign it to what it used to be. Hit OK.
Then it works. See the box pop up when you double click (right side of picture)? You can scroll up and down in there and assign any of those to an analog input.
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Originally posted by Darkish
There was a beta forum where you could download the new client and try it out. Bug reporting, strangeness etc.
Guess what, HTC is a small company; we are the testers. You can't seriously expect them to buy every joystick on the market let alone add in countless different drivers for each one.
It was great tonight to see the guys pitching in and sorting each other out, instead of "lolzor u n00b wtf u retard u cant config stick lolllzz!!!1111eleven!!!!!" one might expect from other games.
I know there are major probs with some sticks that AH just flat out refuses but there's allready been a couple of weeks when these issues could have been dealt with. So do your bit in future, grab the beta's and try 'em out!
Guess what...I did. Guess what...no one answered my queries.
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Sorry to hear that Brenjen, Squaddie of mine is pulling his hair out over an X-52 too :furious - he can't even get the game to recognise button presses.
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Krusty - Yes, that will work. Sometimes. Not all of my functions can be set this way. For example, I have a SHIFT key on my stick. In V2.07, to talk on channel I press button 5 to talk on range I press SHIFT + button 5. The AH mapping routine doesn't have a SHIFT setting that I can see. Also, having to re map every button each time I turn the computer on is a PITA
I did manage to log on with out crashing and up an ostie for a short time. You should see all the crying on country channel and hear it on range. One guy (with a history of crying) really had his panties in a wad. F'this...F'that....blaming HTC for everything from crop circles to his erectile dysfunction. LOL
Originally posted by Krusty
Okay, hold on, take a breath. First we need to look at the basics.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1149215771_208inputs.jpg)
You got a list of inputs. They include analog inputs (things that move) and buttons (things that just click). The problem is when it imports your old settings it doesn't do it right. You can still select the axis (the analog input) you want, and assign it the function you want. You can double click it or hit the MODIFY button. Assign it to what it used to be. Hit OK.
Then it works. See the box pop up when you double click (right side of picture)? You can scroll up and down in there and assign any of those to an analog input.
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My hat switches aren't being recognized in flight.....they are in the tower....
the keyboard numbers won't change views either...
and my mouse panning will not work..period.
frustrating as hell.
can anyone say 2.08 patch 1?
sure...I knew you could
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HTC is a small company, that is correct. I, however, am not a beta tester. I'm just a guy that likes to fly WWII planes online because I'm to poor to buy my own P-51. Making your customers do your product testing is a bad thing IMHO. Just look at what happened to CANONDALE.
Originally posted by Darkish
There was a beta forum where you could download the new client and try it out. Bug reporting, strangeness etc.
Guess what, HTC is a small company; we are the testers. You can't seriously expect them to buy every joystick on the market let alone add in countless different drivers for each one.
It was great tonight to see the guys pitching in and sorting each other out, instead of "lolzor u n00b wtf u retard u cant config stick lolllzz!!!1111eleven!!!!!" one might expect from other games.
I know there are major probs with some sticks that AH just flat out refuses but there's allready been a couple of weeks when these issues could have been dealt with. So do your bit in future, grab the beta's and try 'em out!
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Originally posted by KTM520guy
HTC is a small company, that is correct. I, however, am not a beta tester. I'm just a guy that likes to fly WWII planes online because I'm to poor to buy my own P-51.
get a real job
Originally posted by KTM520guy
Making your customers do your product testing is a bad thing IMHO. Just look at what happened to CANONDALE.
wtf is CANONDALE? Look what happened to Ultima Online... beta'd online, changed, porked, spindled, mutilated, sold, changed, spindled, mutilated, nerfed and it still makes money in it's beta? state *sigh*
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Booz...So by your remarks I take it your life has been economically fruitful enough that you have about 5 mil saved up to buy and maintain a P-51 for the next 10-15 years??????????? God I wish I could be like you:noid
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Originally posted by Booz
get a real job
I'm an aircraft mechanic. Not a whole lot of money there but, I do get to be around airplanes all day.
wtf is CANONDALE? [/B]
Canondale used to be the builder of some of the best road and mountain bikes money could buy. In 2000 they got into the motorcylce business. Their first year bike was a real POS. After 3 or 4 years of production they had most of the bugs worked out. By that time though, they had a mountain of debt, a real bad reputation, and still needed at least one more year of R&D before they had a marketable product. The kind they should have had in their first year. Basicly Canondale used the buying public as beta testers and it bit them in the backside. They went bankrupt and are now no more.
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Nothing is perfect. Everything in life is Beta.
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I just really feel sorry for my squad buddy Elk....he just got his X52 last week and fought for most of the week getting it programmed just right....ooopsie
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Mine worked prefectly. I imported my old settings and everything works just like before.
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well It only cost me a couple hours of getting the setup I had before the patch, I did however bring a bottle of wild Turkey 101 along for the trip, all better now:aok :aok
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KTM520guy,
You mention a shift key. God, I wish that AH supported those. If only! I looked before, best you can do is sticksets.
So if the shift key isn't working it must be the software outside AH (What's it called? SST?). Perhaps there's a way around it. Quite a few seem to have X25s that don't have problems anymore.
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MY X-52 & SST software function now.
It was a headache & tedious, but with the help of other players & my own stubborness I have it working. If anyone sees me in game & needs help with the X-52 set-up, just ask, we'll go to a unused channel & a back feild & work it out.
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Game is totally unplayable.
From the start cursor does the jiggy.
Textures load just fine, whoop de fluff'n do.
Game starts and runs at 1 FPS. Not the 60 I'm used to.
Vox sounds like an acid stoner vomiting baby chickens.
squealing with every imaginable setting has done she-it but annoy me.
Hard crashed "windows says no" 3x adjusting video settings.
..and there's no funky crap on my notebook, other games still play just fine... noting new here but this patch of poop.
Total sorrote de burro man.
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Dang guys, I just got home from work, if its this bad, I'll just wait...I was following the Beta Thread and had seen all the posts about issues that didnt get much for replies.
I thought HTC had many many Beta volunteers...but for no one to notice F8 view not working, or all the joystick issues...then releasing ....ouch.
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so far so good on my end. no probs.
hap
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How stupid is this...
Un plugging my 4 port usb hub thats worked great since day 1, seems to have un screwed whatever was causing me to get 1 FPS.
Both my joysticks are, uh were, using the hub with a printer thats rarely even on. A spare stick is on the floor pulling gas pedal duty.
Where to I submit my hours as an HT beta tester / bug boy?
My usual $60.00 x 2 hrs, make check payable to me.
ed: nevermind, the instant I plug in my usb Saitek rumbler stick, game crawls back to 1 FPS.
Just freaking awesome
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but have you found out about this yet ...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/301_1149232202_ahssassistant.jpg)
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
but have you found out about this yet ...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/301_1149232202_ahssassistant.jpg)
BLHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl
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Took me almost an hour of frustration trying to map & get used to it..but i think the new interface is an improvement.
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:lol :rofl :lol !!! Thanks Roo, this thread needed a good laugh! :lol
Originally posted by Roscoroo
but have you found out about this yet ...
Nope, is there an option to change it to a handsome steward in uniform?? :t (If not itll go in the wishlist for patch 2.08.1 - top priority!)
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Originally posted by Fruda
I had the same problem. However, in about two minutes, I figured everything out and got my setup exactly as it was in 2.07.
You just have to look around the settings to get a feel for everything.
I guess I should consider myself fortunate. I ran the update, and everything transferred over. I had absolutely nothing to do but go flying.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
I guess I should consider myself fortunate. I ran the update, and everything transferred over. I had absolutely nothing to do but go flying.
My regards,
Widewing
Ditto.
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I guess I was fairly fortunate too.
All I had to do is
A) Remember to load my Saitek Profiler
B) Remap the keyboard keys to what they were by default (wonder why the change here?)
C) Re-set the Axiis in the Stick area.
Took me 15 minutes and it actually seems to control BETTER than ever before. I dunno.. might be my imagination but it seems that my controls are smoother and more "where I want to go" than they were before.
I also don't seem to be having the framerate issues. Granted, it appears there's a cap at 60fps now, but I haven't seen as many dips as I used to get. *shrug*
Hope that they can help you guys out quickly that are having problems, but remember, they're human. Everything takes time, and insulting them does nothing but raise thier stress levels and likely lowers production (I know I work better when happy than when stressed out).
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i got my X52 working in no time at all... it was neat taking off at max power when my throttle was at 0%.... any who... the only thing i have a problem with is multimapping... for example.. on my throttle i have my calibration, bombsite set, and doors open/ close buttons... i use the same door button when im in the M3.. well now it wont work in GV mode.. my engine button only starts aircraft engines not GV, and the buttons i use for auto angle and auto level used to double for my shift up and shift down while in GV.. from what ive heard, you can only get one mode out of 4 to work.. i havent messed around with it since so i dont know if it works not or not.. all i can say is that the X52 has like 300 buttons.. just got to get used to the new mapping.
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with my X45 it took about 5 minutes to get it back to normal ...
assign the peds to rudder axis
then make sure the commands are assigned the keystrokes the saitek profile was created with then assign the rotors to the trim axis of your choice
I think the issue is an ID10T error that sits behind the jstick, not in the app itself
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Originally posted by Eagler
with my X45 it took about 5 minutes to get it back to normal ...
assign the peds to rudder axis
then make sure the commands are assigned the keystrokes the saitek profile was created with then assign the rotors to the trim axis of your choice
I think the issue is an ID10T error that sits behind the jstick, not in the app itself
I could never get the trim tabs to work properly on the rotary switches of my old X45. I could get the trim tabs to go one direction, but not the other. Example: When I mapped one rotary to the elevator trim, I could get the trim tab to go *up*, but could only bring it back *down* to it's original position and no farther. Same thing with my X52.
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Originally posted by SPIKER
I can figure it out but when AH puts a patch out they need to update the help page to work with the patch rather than us tryin to figure it out.
Or better yet tests would be in order, communications would be in order. The last time we heard from AH was 4/25/06.
Uh, This (http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahgs/jssetup.html) was up in the Help section before I left work last Friday afternoon. it needs some tweaking, but I thought it would have helped.
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Originally posted by Widewing
I guess I should consider myself fortunate. I ran the update, and everything transferred over. I had absolutely nothing to do but go flying.
My regards,
Widewing
For me, everything except my hatswitch views transferred over. I had to remap my hatswitch views and everything was fine, condsidering some of the problems others have had, I too, consider myself fortunate. :)
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Originally posted by Widewing
I guess I should consider myself fortunate. I ran the update, and everything transferred over. I had absolutely nothing to do but go flying.
My regards,
Widewing
I think I only had the problem because I have an old flight stick. Everything else was fine --- my keyboard settings and rudder pedals were unchanged.
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Originally posted by Elfie
I could never get the trim tabs to work properly on the rotary switches of my old X45. I could get the trim tabs to go one direction, but not the other. Example: When I mapped one rotary to the elevator trim, I could get the trim tab to go *up*, but could only bring it back *down* to it's original position and no farther. Same thing with my X52.
if you are using the satiek profile software you have to band the rotors into three bands with the center band being null, without any command. then the top band set for whatever key you have programmed in ah for up trim and the bottom band as the key for down trim. Now while you are in either the top band or the bottom band, the trim will continue to go up or down until you center the rotor to the dead band in the middle. that stops the trim.
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you set the rotor inside ah as elevator trim and then calibrate the full range of motion of the rotor so ah sees its entire movement window
the rocker on the x45 works best as aileron trim when setup as described using the saitek profile method as it self centers when released
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Uh, This (http://www.hitechcreations.com/ahgs/jssetup.html) was up in the Help section before I left work last Friday afternoon. it needs some tweaking, but I thought it would have helped.
Thanks Skuzzy, youre great. :)
I didnt even need that setup help. I think the new controller mapping interface is almost self explanatory (only thing i needed to figure out via trial and error was the fact that pressing a button on stick highlights it in the list). The rest was simply a matter of remapping all buttons. Admittedly i had to get used to the fact that now my buttons are named wrong, instead of numbered (X45 here), but hey, were young and flexible.....
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If you had a shift key working before, I'm with Krusty, it was because you were using the CH control manager software. I have full CH setup and I use the in game setup with no problems. Can you try programming your sticks in game after turning off the CH control manager?
ztrx
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Originally posted by Eagler
if you are using the satiek profile software you have to band the rotors into three bands with the center band being null, without any command. then the top band set for whatever key you have programmed in ah for up trim and the bottom band as the key for down trim. Now while you are in either the top band or the bottom band, the trim will continue to go up or down until you center the rotor to the dead band in the middle. that stops the trim.
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you set the rotor inside ah as elevator trim and then calibrate the full range of motion of the rotor so ah sees its entire movement window
the rocker on the x45 works best as aileron trim when setup as described using the saitek profile method as it self centers when released
I just used the stick mapper in the game, the Saitek profiler is waaaay to complicated for me. :D
I did try to calibrate the rotary switches in AH, that didnt work either. All AH would see was what I described before. Dunno why though....
On the X45 I used the rocker switch as my rudder since I dont have pedals.
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maybe you have the wrong axis for the wrong trim ..
this is how mine is setup
(http://www.pogbird.com/X45/x45.jpg)
with rotor 1 being the one near your left thumb and rotor 2 the one at your left forefinger
when you finish calibration, always end in the dead zone in the middle of the rotors (centered) before you click ok
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On my X52 I have both rotary switches calibrated. Now how do I map them so that it says *analog inputs trim elevator* and *analog inputs trim aileron*. All I see as options for mapping the trim is elevator up, elevator down etc. I gotta be missing something here, just dont have a clue as to what it is though.
*edit* ok, figured out how to get it to say....analog inputs trim elevator....but.....when I use the rotary switch for elevator trim the elevators dont trim.......gah!!
Why cant stuff just be simple instead of annoying horse poopies?
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Dbl click rotary 1, in the window that opens select Axis, then scroll down to the trim options.
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Originally posted by hitech
Dbl click rotary 1, in the window that opens select Axis, then scroll down to the trim options.
From the clipboard I went Options/Controllers/Map Controllers. In that window I selected rotary 1 (dbl clicked), then in the window that opens when you dbl click there is no option to select an axis? I see the trim controls when I scrolled down. Selected the elevator trim, but it doesnt trim the elevator. /sigh
HiTech could you come to my house and show me how please? :D
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Ok, I got it. First I had to unmap the trim commands from a hat switch, then had to turn Combat Trim OFF before the rotary switches would affect my trim tabs.
HiTech, when I use the trim tabs mapped to a hat switch, merely using the trim tab turns off Combat Trim for me. Why doesnt it work like that with the rotary switches? I can (and will) get used to remembering to turn off Combat Trim before using my rotaries, just wondering.
Thanks for the help HiTech and Eagler. :)
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when I active a rotor, it kills combat trim
I have combat trim set to the 'fire C' buton in mode one in my saitek profile
I turn combat trim back on with it after I re-center the trim
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Originally posted by Eagler
when I active a rotor, it kills combat trim
I have combat trim set to the 'fire C' buton in mode one in my saitek profile
I turn combat trim back on with it after I re-center the trim
Hmmm, maybe I still dont have things *just right*? I too have combat trim mapped to a stick button.
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whay debate? this torques me to no end !15 buck to spend hours trying to fly and have joystick that will not do its job. i have x52 no function works one more try and i am deleting account .3plus years and then this!!!!
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Personally, so far, I think the old system was easier to set up than the new one.
Go easy on him Hub, lots of folks are having difficulty with the new system.
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Originally posted by jon
whay debate? this torques me to no end !15 buck to spend hours trying to fly and have joystick that will not do its job. i have x52 no function works one more try and i am deleting account .3plus years and then this!!!!
I have an X52......I run through the SST profiler...and I have complete functionality.
At first, I got a little scrambled but once I figured out the new interface..it worked great. Easier or more difficult I can't say. It is a different system
And now with patch 2....I have my mouse panning back. Had to set up my axis (axis's? axees? axi?) for the mouse in controller, but hey...I learned about re-mapping JS axis when 2.08 first came out