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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: BigMax on June 02, 2006, 08:55:24 AM
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Skuzzy,
I have a MS FF Precision Pro 2 that works correctly everywhere, except in AH2 V2.08...
When the update installed, the stick and switches were functioning properly, but there was no force. I checked all my settings and it should have been working... I then unplugged and reconnected my JStick USB while the game was up which got the force working, but then the remainder of the stick functions quit working...
I messed with it for about an hour before I got frustrated with it... Suggestions?
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Same here, force come late. For istance. after a 10 secs burst, or a long stall.
Please fix it.
TY
Lucchini
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sidewinder 3dpro force feedback same problem no feedback on guns weapons stall buffet what else anyways good going hitech
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I dont have time for this bull watermelon paying money and cant get my stick to work first its duel core problem and now I cant fly with feed back!!! Looking for other sim to fly! Sheesh I'm soo pissed.
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There is a bug in the force feedback support, which effects various forces. You should still be able to map all the commands/functions to the inputs of the stick. If you are having issues with mapping functions, then we need to know. Keep in mind, we can no longer obtain a MS stick of any kind.
The problem stemmed from a change MS did in DirectInput. HT has already found it and the force feedback support should be corrected in the next update.
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I have one of those sticks too, but I always used it with the force turned off in AH because it would quit at the top of the loop, leaving the stick floppy, so that was not an issue for me.
However, when the new upgrade came out, NONE of my FFPro 2 stick settings survived, and I had to program the stick from scratch and through trial and error, despite the existence of a help file and a post by hammer which really did clue me in to the basics. So don't give up; it can be done.
I learned a lot that way, so maybe I can help with the procedure. I know that if I had to do it all over again, it would take ten minutes now, not 4 hours.
Also, when you get it back to normal, go to the Settings folder in Aces High, and choose to display the files by type. You will find three .jsm files in there, and they seem to be your saved stick settings. They will open with Notepad, btw, so you might want to associate them with Notepad. I copied those files as backups in case another version or patch messes with my j/s settings again.
Good luck.
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Greetings,
Have just got onto AH with ver 2.08 patch 2, seems that this one further worsens FFB settings on my MS FF2. Have checked with a couple of other players, and they seem to have the same issue. Feedback has been totally disabled in game with the latest patch for us.
I saw this post on the issues before, and understand from reading the patch 2 list FFB support's getting fixed. not for me on FF2 unfortunately.
Last patch forces were still very much playable, none in tower but it kickstarts on the runway for me. Any help would be appreciated.
S!
Flism
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Working on it. There does seem to be an issue.
Any other FF (non-MS) stick users having this problem?
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I have the MS FF 2. worked fine untill 208.2 arrived. No feedback, no pressure, wont even center itself. If it cant be fixed, no me either.
Microsoft is the problem they say. If they cant get it fixed, not buying another stick, this one cost $100.
So if it cant be fixed, its been fun flying with you all < S >
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We apologize for the bug, but we are working on it.
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Keep checking this thread.
NOTE: You can disable forces and the stick will center and act like a regular stick for right now.
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I am having same problem with same stick. Will keep an eye on this post. Also tried turnign it off and its not wanting to center or keep tension. So I'm learning how to use it with no resistance at all.
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So when you disable the force feedback in the game it is not centering? Odd. The stick we have does. When you plug the power into the stick, does it center? Or does it flop around? Not connected to the computer.
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Hello?
Looks like this is going to be a bugger.
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patch 2 msffpp2 stick still zero forces....
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I use sidewinder force feedback 2 stick and currently have no force feedback at all..the stick is like usein a limp noodle and makes playin extreamly hard anyone else have these problems?
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Hey skuzzy sorry for the late response. I'm at work and posted earlier when I had a chance. I meant to post last night while I was at home.
Yes when I disable my joystick in game it goes limp for lack of a better description. When it is active I think I feel some resistance, but not enough to say its acting like it is supposed to. It is plugged in and when power is turned off on the computer it slams to the side. Always has dont know why exactly, but it is doing all the same things it has always done. When power is on it does center and turns on and off when I move my hand in and out of the infared sensor in the grip. Just when the game runs, it aint centering or acting like yalls is doing.
As far as checking what the joystick does unplugged from computer but power going to it, I'll have to get back to you on later tonight when I get off work.
I'm running Windows XP professional with a SB Audigy Gamer card with the game port daughter card. I am running my JS on the game port on my motherboard which is a Gigabyte SINXP1394. It has another name, but I cant find it on the Gigabyte site.
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Still no deference. no tension either way. Im using XP home SP2.
Worked fine with patch #1 but #2 killed it.
Im not a rea fan of paying to BETA test someone elses sofware. Besides why do you guys have to always fool with the game it was just fine before.
Remember the old saying " If it aint broke, dont fix it"
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Yes I just ran into this problem...I have the same set up. The beta testers musta bit.
This was not a problem before patch 2
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Anybody who believes that a game that isnt constantly being updated is not "broke" is delusional. They say the only constant in Life is Change, but this is even more true in the gaming world.
And if you think Aces High is the only game that gets some people FUBAR after an update, you havent played many online games. Try dealing with Atari's tech support. At least Skuzzy and HT and Pyro will talk to people about what's going on and work on resolving problems. It will take you 30 minutes of hunting just to find a way to contact Atari (if you are lucky that is), and then they'll likely blame a vendor and say its not their problem. But they'll still issue a patch 2 months later. lol
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Yeah, we need some sort of Microsoft Viagra or something :)
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Are there any new joysticks that can do what the microsoft FF can do?
Maybe I'll retire mine
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Please mister, fix my forcefeedback.
I checked the stick and the fluids are fine.
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Originally posted by doobs
Please mister, fix my forcefeedback.
I checked the stick and the fluids are fine.
TY DOOBS!!!!!
now I needs to go see if I can get into the supply closet to clean up my work area.
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Same as Flism here.......
No centering forces in game at all. Outside game works just fine.
When on the runway testing, I get the "don't move your controls so rapidly" message, if that's any help.
The controls window in game recognizes the MSFF2 and all the little sliders are showing where I had them, the axes' line show a number representing where the stick is being shown to be at in it's relative axis, and the X and Y numbers are jumping around like crazy when there is no input on my part on the stick. It is unable to self center.
Oh well, gotta get ready for work. No flying tonight b4 work to rid the daily frustrations. Guess I'll take em with me ;)
Please don't make me break out the X-52, I really don't want to mess with the mapping on it. I am too comfortable with the MSFF2.
Good luck finding this bugger HT, Skuzzy, and crew. Thanks for the effort and the updates!
Rob53
The Flying Circus
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Mines not working.
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I have MS FFB 2. It was fine until I just loaded this last patch. It worked thru the last one we just had. But it aint now.
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Same, limp noodle nice explanation
patch 1 was okeydoke!!!!!!
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MS FFB 2 here as well,
same story as above, no feedback, floppsy does it.
Also, I had to remap most controls, and for ages had no rudder to the right, no pitch back and no roll to the right... fixed it, or it fixed itself somehow..
g'luck fixing this :)
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Keep in mind, we can no longer obtain a MS stick of any kind.
http://cgi.ebay.com/microsoft-sidewinder-force-feedback-2-joystick_W0QQitemZ9738826919QQihZ008QQcategoryZ74944QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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I have a MS FF 2 also and having the same trouble as all above. Have not been able to fly cents the update for working on this.I think we the people with these sticks should get a discount this month or something for all the time we have put in these stick's to try and make them work.What do the people think?
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FWIW... Forces turn off and on with the game turning off and on. Stay's on right up until you actually enter the arena. Then will turn on again when you quit out of the game. If you alt-tab out of the game, it stays off, even if you close out of the game from the desktop. If you unplug the usb during the game and plug it back in, the forces come back, but AH no longer has stick input.
There is no return to center... I'd be happy just to get that back. Would be nice to have this fixed before the weekend starts too.
Tumor
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did u guys check you fluid levels?
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This isnt Atari, and I have been playing Flight Sims for many years. MS flight sim Air Warrior (when they charged by the hour), Warbirds even WWII online. Im not delusional, but I do know that when somthing works, you leave it alone. And when you improve it, it is suppose to work better. Not the other way around. It's an easy decision to make. Another $100 for new gear or save $180 a year not to be a BETA TESTER
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
There is a bug in the force feedback support, which effects various forces. You should still be able to map all the commands/functions to the inputs of the stick. If you are having issues with mapping functions, then we need to know. Keep in mind, we can no longer obtain a MS stick of any kind.
The problem stemmed from a change MS did in DirectInput. HT has already found it and the force feedback support should be corrected in the next update.
Skuzzy,
You realize this is critical to us MS FFers... There is absolutely no spring or force at all acting on the stick. It makes flying completely impossible. I haven't even logged in after I got frustrated trying to fix it. We need this fixed NOW please, if you haven't implemented it yet.
Thanks!, :aok
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
So when you disable the force feedback in the game it is not centering? Odd. The stick we have does. When you plug the power into the stick, does it center? Or does it flop around? Not connected to the computer.
Limp as a dead fish....
Mine is a second generation FF... a FF2. Yours has a button on the back side of the base? If so, it's a very old one.
I also believe there are 2 generations of FF2s. One has RED indicator light, while the older one is GREEN. (I think)
I would be happy to mail you mine if it will help...
Any idea of how long this might take?
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uh oh. Think I will avoid patch 2 until a fix for the fix comes along.
Big Max, you are right: The earlier version of the FFB2 has a green light, and the later one is red. I wonder if the problem exists for both versions? I am using the older version in AH, but have a red one in a box.
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Tophat helped me to get my FFB to work.
When in game, alt tab out. GO into your game controllers and test the forces. Then click OK to the MS ffb stick. Go back into game. It should work.
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I can't alt tab since 2.07 game dumps on me :(
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didn't work... :cry
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I have an older version stick with the green status light as well guys. Also Skuzzy I dont know if this will help yall in any way, but I still had Beta 2.07 Patch 5 loaded and my stick works like it is supposed to in that version. I think the patch 5 was the last update on the beta before you released 2.08 correct?
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Tophat helped me to get my FFB to work.
When in game, alt tab out. GO into your game controllers and test the forces. Then click OK to the MS ffb stick. Go back into game. It should work.
Did that, got the forces to work but the stick will not stay centered,will not stay in auto pilot.Been here 4 year's and this is BS.Got 15 hour's working on this damn thing.
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Woke up this morning........
v2.08 patch 2 autodownloaded and guess what.....
no return to center force anymore on my MS-FF2.
I missed the release of 2.08. Originally downloaded 2.08 patch 1 a couple of days ago and had no return to center force then either but disabling and re-enabling the trim FF fixed it. This morning.....that doesnt fix it. Patch 1 worked fine for me, patch 2 doesnt.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
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Originally posted by FiLtH
When in game, alt tab out. GO into your game controllers and test the forces. Then click OK to the MS ffb stick. Go back into game. It should work.
He's right.
From within AH alt tab out and go to game controllers.......click properties.....click the forces tab and press a few buttons to get the sample forces transmitted to the stick. Then alt tab back into AH and abracadabra......the stick now works fine.
All you whingers whinging about having been trying to fix it for hours......I fixed mine using this little tip from FiLtH in 5 minutes flat and with very little swearing.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
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ROB!!
heheh yeah an X45 here on standby too, gotten too comfy with that MSFF2 for donkey years. hmm will try Filth's suggestion.
Flism
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Originally posted by Swoop
He's right.
From within AH alt tab out and go to game controllers.......click properties.....click the forces tab and press a few buttons to get the sample forces transmitted to the stick. Then alt tab back into AH and abracadabra......the stick now works fine.
All you whingers whinging about having been trying to fix it for hours......I fixed mine using this little tip from FiLtH in 5 minutes flat and with very little swearing.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
REALLY, Maybe you need to come and fix mine then.
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Yah swoop, come and fix mine as well.............
Did the alt tab thing, had force feedback for a min when testing buttons, then none, back to game, no joy,
BTW swoop, is yours the stick with green or red light ?
mines da green, maybe something there ?
Time to pull out the old Precsion Pro
Ah well:O
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Mine has the green light.
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Well, seems to be ok now.
Downloaded sidewinder game controller software 4, remapped yet again, had a wee fly, FF though no control, calibrate in game, bingo and away we go..
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No, going out to the sidewinder software settings and then back into the game did nothing for me either. Patch 2 = no self-centering. It's funny - as soon as I quit AH my stick suddenly jumps back to center as if AH were now putting it to sleep. On second thought, it's not funny. Patch 3 anyone?
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Hi all,
got a MS Sidewinder FF Pro with 15 pole connector (green light on back side). Unfortunately none of the hints helped for my stick. FF stays dead. Hope that HT can fix this problem.
:(
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Originally posted by boogs
Well, seems to be ok now.
Downloaded sidewinder game controller software 4, remapped yet again, had a wee fly, FF though no control, calibrate in game, bingo and away we go..
boogs, I need some more information. What version of the MS stick do you have? What is the URL to the software you installed? What operating system?
Just to be sure I understand. Your force feedback is working now and did not work, until you installed the software from MS?
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Skuzzy, I already had Sidewinder 4.0 software. As of this morning's update to patch 2 I have lost all forces in AH.
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That is why I need more information from boogs. Which stick do you have? Red LED, Green LED? USB? Gameport?
These inconsistencies are bizarre.
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FWIW mine is green LED usb.
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Anybody willing to help test a potential fix? Send me a PM.
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Mines an FF2 with the red LED (part no. X08-58736) and......um.......ok, ya know I said it's fixed......well sorta. Every time I run AH I have to alt-tab out and do the thing. Seems the fix only lasts until I log out.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
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When is there going to be a patch 3?, im sure your not getting days credited to your account while you wait for patch 3. Maybe HCT killed the stick, they should credit you the cost of new gear towards future billing.
Starting to sound and feel like the lastdays of AW now.
Been there, Done that. Not doing it agin. If no fly by FSO tonight. Be no assount by tommorow
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If no fly by FSO tonight. Be no assount by tommorow [/B]
should read If o fly by FSO tonight, be no account by tommorow
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Originally posted by Digr1
im sure your not getting days credited to your account while you wait for patch 3.
Have you actually asked anyone or are you just whinging on general principle?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
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Digr, you are right. This sort of thing did happen in Air Warrior. But exactly the same stick problems (but not restricted to any one type) happened with a forced upgrade to Warbirds about a year and a half ago. It took 3 weeks before all of the problems with all of the sticks could be solved, and I had to wait it out.
It isn't a symptom that Aces High is deteriorating. Consider all of the sticks that are out there, and the fact that our beloved FFPro sticks haven't been made for years, are unsupported, and that the software won't even install on some systems (64 bit) and so on, and it's a wonder that more upgrade problems don't get reported. Actually, it is high time we retired these old sticks. The only problem is, they are wonderful, but so was my 1987 Nissan which got retired this year. The fact that AH is working so hard to solve the problems which a tiny minority is having with ancient sticks testifies to the strength of the game and the dedication of the staff that is responsible for it, not to the game's deterioration.
eh?
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mine is the green lite one.Still will not center.
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Originally posted by Swoop
Have you actually asked anyone or are you just whinging on general principle?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1137109117_20029211530-0-swoop.gif)
I dont whine on general principle for any reason. Matter of fact I dont whine. I just like to get what I pay for, thats a direct, not general principle
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Of course I called Texas, seems like a few dontlike it when someone complains about any problem. Im waiting to be told its my problem, like they always did in AW
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Originally posted by eh
Consider all of the sticks that are out there, and the fact that our beloved FFPro sticks haven't been made for years, are unsupported, and that the software won't even install on some systems (64 bit)
eh?
I dont ude a 64 bit system and every other game still works with this stick. It worked with patch 1 but patch 2 wiped it out
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Have you not read my posts Dig? We have a potential fix, it is open to be used by anyone that wants to. All you have to do is PM me. If you do not want to use it, then that is ok.
Also note, we have never, ever said or inferred this was the users fault. We do not do that. We find the problem and fix it. Blame games are for politicians, not game producers.
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Mine came with 4.0 software disc
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Have just finished flying with the fix Skuzzy mentioned. It works as far as the auto-centering goes. That's all I ever used anyway. Have not tried effects for weapons fire, damage, buffet etc. I've enabled trim forces as per usual and it works. You don't seem to be able to adjust the degree of force as of yet but it's just a quick fix at this point and at least enables me to fly and provide target practice for the enemy.:D
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Have you not read my posts Dig? We have a potential fix, it is open to be used by anyone that wants to. All you have to do is PM me. If you do not want to use it, then that is ok.
Also note, we have never, ever said or inferred this was the users fault. We do not do that. We find the problem and fix it. Blame games are for politicians, not game producers.
Tried every fix you and every one else posted, all a no go. I would be happy if it would just center untill it got fixed. But yet Still no change.
Also not saying HTC blames the user, but sure is sounding familiar.
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See Rule #4
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Ok Skuzzy, the patch works. Everything works on it, self center, the gun forces, crash, etc. I think the force output should be turned up some though. I have it set at 100% for all forces and it seems alittle weaker then before.
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Didn't want everyone grabbing it Swoop. Things like this are optional for everyone.
Although, it is possible, this test fix will have to last you over the weekend. We need a little recoup time to find out if any other pressing issues need to be addressed.
If that is decided, we will then post instructions and the link so anyone can grab it.
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See Rule #4
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Bottom line is the problem didn't show up until Patch #2. It appears that while MS has stopped making the FF2 , there are a lot of gamers that still have and use them. Perhaps the problem is in Patch #2 and the patch sould be withdrawn until the issue with the game controlers is resolved.
Worked fine with patch #1.
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umm...tell us the problem
whats wrong?
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Have you not read my posts Dig? We have a potential fix, it is open to be used by anyone that wants to. All you have to do is PM me. If you do not want to use it, then that is ok.
Also note, we have never, ever said or inferred this was the users fault. We do not do that. We find the problem and fix it. Blame games are for politicians, not game producers.
Skuzzy, I would like to use the fix, how do I get a copy of the fix???
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See this thread. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=179735)